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The personal touch: Donald Trump flies in to make case for £1bn golf development



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Published Date: 10 June 2008
YOU know someone of note is arriving when their private jet is bigger than the commercial aircraft sitting on the runway.
As it dropped out of the clouds shrouding Stornoway Airport yesterday, the single word "Trump" became visible on the 727 jet. The Donald of that ilk was back in town – an hour late, but what's 60 minutes when it is nearly 60 years since you were last here?

The billionaire tycoon has chosen to personally lead his empire's bid to persuade the Scottish Government to back his controversial plan to build a £1 billion golf resort and luxury housing scheme on one of the most environmentally sensitive stretches of Scotland's coastline.

Yesterday, he made his way across the Atlantic for today's appearance at the public inquiry into his proposal – but stopped off on Lewis to re-engage with his roots by visiting the house in which his mother lived before she visited New York and met Fred Trump, Donald's father.

Trump regularly cites his Scottish background and says it is the reason he is still pursuing the development despite planning delays and fierce environmental opposition.

In all, the stop-off lasted just over two hours – before he set off for Aberdeen and the real business. But on Lewis, the traditional two-storey croft house at 5 Tong, four miles from Stornoway, is still occupied by the billionaire's cousins, Willie and Alasdair Murray.

From their front door, it was possible to see the Trump jet touch down. Forty minutes later, a four-strong fleet of cars took the tycoon, his sister Maryanne Trump Barry and a small entourage of bodyguards and publicity staff to the village in which Trump's heritage is rooted.

There was no welcoming party from the neighbours, the only figure other than the massed media waiting for his arrival being a council workman cutting the grass verge.

Arriving at 10:43, he posed for pictures with the family outside the house, and after a two-minute tour, the convoy swept off at 10:48 to a press conference.

He told reporters his last visit had been when he was three or four and his memories of the house and of the area were largely from his mother's stories.

"We are honoured to be back," he said. "I have not returned before because I've been so busy, working and having some fun in New York. I love seeing the house and have been hearing about it all my life. The house is smaller than I remember and it's hard to believe it's over 100 years old; it still looks very good."

Wasn't the look inside rather brief? "Well, I didn't want to interrupt – people live in the house and I didn't think it appropriate for me to go around making an inspection."

Trump's mother was born in 1912, the seventh child of crofter Malcolm Macleod and his wife Mary Smith. She married Fred Trump in 1936, the wedding notice from the Stornoway Gazette announcing the news as Tong Girl Weds Abroad.

Fred Trump later became one of the city's biggest developers and the couple, who were married for 63 years, had five children. Mary died in 2000, a year after her husband.

Trump said his mother would have returned to Lewis had she not met his father. Does he feel Scottish? "I think I do, although I don't want you to ask me to define what that means. But I do feel I have something very strong from my mother." He said he hopes to return "within the year" and plans to bring his two-year-old son, Barron William.

Trump's sister is a frequent visitor to Lewis. She said: "My mother would be so proud to see Donald here today. All the work he's done, this television star that he is. I love him and he's never forgotten where he came from."

The tycoon denied the visit was a publicity stunt ahead of the inquiry: "I thought this was the right time to come. We were going to stop here on the way out, but it was very hard to determine how long I am going to be testifying."

The golf resort, he said, was a chance to do "something historic" for Scotland as well as Aberdeen. "If it were not for my mother would I have walked away from the site? I think probably I would have. The reason I got involved was because of the feeling I had for Scotland."

The cousins were left to reflect on a whirlwind visit. Willie, who had met Donald only once previously, in the 1970s, said: "It went very well. It was a bit of a scrum, right enough, but he was terrific and he enjoyed the trip to Tong."

His brother Alasdair said: "I had never met him before but he came across as a very genuine guy."

IN NUMBERS

£300 million and 800 acres

Original estimated cost and size of the golf resort.

£1 billion and 1,400 acres

Revised estimated cost and extended site for the new proposed development.

450

bedrooms planned for five-star luxury hotel to be sited on road known as Trump Boulevard.

952

timeshare apartments planned to be built in four blocks of 238 apartments.

500

residential homes planned.

300

acres of land zoned for potential future residential developments.

13

endangered or vulnerable species at the site.

19

nationally important species of lichen and fungi on site.

£99 million

Annual expenditure, according to a report produced for the Trump Organisation.

6,230

construction jobs to be created.

1,180

permanent on-site jobs.




The full article contains 945 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 10 June 2008 8:00 AM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
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1

East Coast Chick,

10/06/2008 00:26:07
After so much negative press, make Scotland proud Donald!
2

ScotLJM,

Michigan, USA 10/06/2008 02:44:55
Make your resort in classic elegance Mr. Trump, and not let those who object to it say they were right about it destroying the area. Make America proud!
3

bring them on,

10/06/2008 03:05:02
If we wants to waste his money, fair enough.

There are some football teams he could buy as well....
4

Neil Waugh,

Old Stathcona 10/06/2008 03:19:59
Trump to buy the Jambos. We are saved!!!
5

bring them on,

10/06/2008 03:34:13
That would be wasting his money.

I meant Rangers, the Teddy Bears, the Sons of Sons

100 mil.

A give away at that price.
6

Tatties ower the side,

Johannesburg 10/06/2008 04:45:13
Time shares on Balmedie beach? Aye, count me in for two weeks in February......
7

bring them on,

10/06/2008 05:15:20
You could finish your novel...
8

Agent 99,

10/06/2008 06:10:51
A 727? You can't be serious.
9

Agent 99,

10/06/2008 06:16:28
6230 construction jobs 'created'. And after this 'sustainable' development has been built, perhaps in 18 months, 6229 new unemployed.

How does it take 1180 to run a gold course and a hotel?

Whichever way it gets spun, the figures just don't stack up.
10

Mist001,

Marseille 10/06/2008 06:16:49
He could build it on the Meadows or Bruntsfield Links for half the price and a couple of brown envelopes!

Astute businessman??

I bet I could beat him at Monopoly too!!

Michael.
11

CASEY PURVIS,

WEST HILLS 10/06/2008 06:19:43
how offensive. is he impressing us poor folk?
hope he doesn't decide to fire us.
perhaps instead of the golf course he'd like to donate a few billion to the scottish government.
let's hope my kin are not as stupid as the americans where it's all about money.
casey purvis
bravo to the people who shot him down. my kind of people.
12

overton,

balmedie 10/06/2008 06:31:52
WELCOME TO SCOTLAND DONALD
13

bring them on,

10/06/2008 07:00:42
Will it have a big TV screen?
14

Richard Taylor,

Aberdeen 10/06/2008 07:10:23
Welcome Donald Trump...remember go gently on the naysayers - they know not what they do...
15

Mist001,

Marseille 10/06/2008 07:14:07
Without being superficial(!), he could get himself a decent haircut whilst he's over here!

Nah, I don't mind what he's doing, but I don't think he's taken into account the winter weather. Not many people will want to use his resort during the bleak winter months of Northern Scotland.

What I would stipulate though, is that any potential employees are paid above the minumum wage and a guarantee that they won't be paid off during the winter months.

Michael.
16

Evan Owen,

Snowdonia 10/06/2008 07:16:19
Would he like to buy some of the Snowdonia National Park? A landscape with over 5,000 years of human hitory? He could build a house or hotel to compare with the hall dating back to 1100 AD up the hill.
17

Eddie the Eagle,

Aberdeen 10/06/2008 07:24:17
This cracks me up. Aberdeen is desperately short of hotel rooms, almost to the point that industry is suffering. This guy wants to build a massive complex on the right side of the city for the heliport and access to Dyce and BoD offices and indsutrial estates, and the clever bods at the council cause a fuss.

Aberdeen has seen little inward investment in the last 15 years and now looks a state, it's shocking we are not biting this guy's hand off.

What difference does it make to sea birds and lichens if the site is a field or a golf course anyway?
18

Richardinho,

10/06/2008 07:28:10
Apparently a soggy beach in Aberdeen is the most important piece of environment we have In Scotland.
19

eric,

10/06/2008 07:33:14
I was in England for a feww weeks and lancashire and other areas would only be too happy to make trump welcome,the bigger picture is he knows a lot of very wealthy biz folks .
20

Royster,

10/06/2008 07:50:20
+++ LUST ON THE LINKS - PART THREE +++

Donald strode manfully onto the tarmac of Stornoway International Airport, his strange 'Davy Crockett hat' hair-do blowing majestically in the breeze. This was the wind that had blown his mother over to the United States and it was this same wind that was bringing him home to his Scottish lover, the First Minister. He loved the Isle of Lewis, the simple way of life but what he was really looking forward to was a game of chess with the new set promised to him by the First Minister - after a welcoming massage of course. To be continued...
21

Helmut Smegma,

Edinburgh 10/06/2008 07:50:29
Did his hairdresser,sorry weaver,accompany him?
22

Mist001,

Marseille 10/06/2008 08:00:38
The way I saw it at the time is that the Aberdonian councillors never expected in a million years to receive a planning application from Donald Trump yet here it was, on the table and they panicked. All they'd had to deal with in the past was people asking to add an extension to their garage or something, just normal people trying to improve their house or whatever.

Then suddenly, they one day find that they're dealing with a billionaire and that scared them and they lost the plot a bit. Because they were dealing with this guy, some councillors thought they were more important than they actually were.

I hope the deal goes through. As #19 points out, Trump can take his ideas and money at any time and go to virtually any other council in Britain and be welcomed with open arms.

Surely the money is better being invested in Scotland otherwise what are we going to be left with? Nothing but a handful of Aberdonian councillors with bragging rights about how they were the ones who dealt with Donald Trumps planning application and how they put him and his money in their place.

Michael.
23

Tweedmouth,

Coldstream 10/06/2008 08:06:14
#17 "What difference does it make to sea birds and lichens if the site is a field or a golf course anyway?"

The difference it makes is they will not survive there after Trump builds his housing development. Golf courses are monocultural deserts of mown grass - drenched with herbicides to kill all the wildflowers and the soil is dosed with systemic insecticides. So the wildflowers are all gone and the insects are all dead- including butterflies, bees, beetles, ladybirds etc. The issue here is whether PLANNING LAW means anything? Many people have applied to build individual houses on this coast and been turned down because the LAW says you cannot build on a SSSI - and the beauty of the landscape would spoiled if you 'Americanise'it by filling it with houses. You can bet that once Trump has PRIVATISED this piece of naural coastline - it will be a 'gated community' with public access either banned or severely limited (there's a dozen ways to do that - 'safety' from golf balls being the usual one).

If the go-ahead is given to Trump - the 'message' being sent out will be:

"Come on over all you ruthless developers - drug-money launderers, anyone who wants to make a fast buck; as long as you grease the right palms Scots will bend the rules, break the law, ignore local by-laws - Scotland is 'up for grabs'."
24

Liberal for life,

Dunblane 10/06/2008 08:07:17
Lets hope at least for the application to be treated on its merits. As the instigator and the believer in all this I hope Mr Trump is at his persuasive best and not at his threatening worst for the sake of the project of his lifetime. We shall see!
25

Gem,

Edinburgh 10/06/2008 08:21:30
How Does Trump repeatedly file for Bankruptcy and still stay on top?
See:
http://www.legalzoom.com/legal-articles/article13737.html

Is this man just using Scotland to invest in himself? read on
26

john z,

edinburgh 10/06/2008 08:22:09
Whether you like him or not, you really have to admire him. As a child he did not really inherit the wealth he has now. He has got where he is by hard work.

I hope he is successful with this plan, it will mean a lot of employment in the area, and a real opportunity for Scotland to be seen by a lot of very influencial american business bods who come over to Scotland to play golf on his course.

I really do think it would be good not just for Aberdeen, but all of Scotland.

As a very wealthy man who can buy pretty much anything, it is ironic that his hair (which is real, and not a piece), actually looks more like a toupee than a toupee does. I guess money can't buy you everything.

It's interesting that this story is finally getting coverage by the english media, now that Trump is here. The likes of SKY news are about a year late.

Nice Jet!
27

Boy Wonder,

10/06/2008 08:33:59
Donald Trump?? I thought I was looking at Boris Johnson!!
28

Mist001,

Marseille 10/06/2008 08:35:26
As some of you might know, I really can't stand golfers or golf clubs but at the end of it all, Trumps money is better in Scotland than to see him change his mind and take it to Ireland or elsewhere.

Ok, it is a form of wealth as power blackmail and that's why the application has been passed to the Scottish Executive. It's far too big for Aberdeen City Council to handle, just to make a stand or a petty point.

Get firm assurances from him beforehand, then let him proceed with his plans.

Michael.
29

brownlie,

10/06/2008 08:36:16
23 Tweedmouth

Your posting displays all the negativity and parochialism that has dogged and dragged down Scotland for years.

Until the project was proposed no-one cared about this neglected and gradually eroding stretch of beach and now all of a sudden a barren empty beach - there are thousands all over Scotland - becomes part of our national heritage

Incidentally, since when has lichen become of national importance?
30

Mist001,

Marseille 10/06/2008 08:36:22
LOL@#27!!

Michael.
31

John BC,

Banffshire 10/06/2008 08:41:33
Welcome home Mr Trump. Scotland has always suffered by shooting itself in the foot by division. It is pretty obvious by the comments of some who make personal remarks they have lost the argument. The majority of others like Ford have lived off the state, have never employed people or contributed to the wellbeing of others.

Good Luck
32

A Crofter,

Western Isles 10/06/2008 08:48:45
Wot - no red carpet????

Did the Comhairle's lickspittle reception committee have time to explain the complexities of SSSI protection to the Donald?

Thankfully, the brisk westerly tailwind hastened Loadsamoney's departure.
33

Melly,

Sussex 10/06/2008 08:55:49
#23 Tweedmouth. Can you list the wildflowers and inects that are unique and only exist in Balmedie and nowhwere else?
34

Marcus Fenix,

Normally the Valley but the New Forest today. 10/06/2008 08:57:29
#17 I agree totally. It shows a narrow minded mentality which is unfortunately all to common amongst the plebs of our fine land.
35

John H C,

edinburgh 10/06/2008 09:01:37
What a naive lot of opinions above. Does no one understand that this trickster does not give two hoots for this great nation. What he wants is a huge housing development and by the way lets pretend that we will have a golf course too just to fool the plebs. Think about Loch Lomond. It is so expensive that very few local people can ever afford to play it. How else would he be allowed to build such a massive housing development unless he hid under the golf course ruse. Rather than being negative we may be seen as being caring for our country and not going belly up to such foreign pressure. We will soon be owned completely by arabs and Americans.
36

Miss Dee,

Tayside 10/06/2008 09:04:32
The facts are there for anyone with half a brain to see- Millions of Scottish taxpayer pounds will be sucked into this venture, the resort will be too expensive and exlusive for 98 percent of Scots, it will be a playground for the rich from other countries who don't pay taxes, the employees will all be low paid eastern europeans and not Scots, and Donald Trump could care less about Scotland. He needs this more than we do...and as for making America proud- I AM AN AMERCIAN AND HE REPRESENTS EVERYTHING THAT HAS GONE WRONG IN OUR COUNTRY. SAVE YOURSELF SCOTLAND!!!!
37

overton,

aberdeen 10/06/2008 09:05:04
23 Tweedmouth,Coldstream

Before you come on mouthing off your ignorant and self opinionated comments please review the Trump proposal and you will be able to note that no building work whatsoever will take place within the so-called SSSI.

The Menie Estate is in fact owned, bought and paid for by Mr Trump so how is he intending to grab some land that he already owns?

Your problem is one that relates to the little green man called jealousy.
38

Sad to the Bone,

London 10/06/2008 09:11:21
Here here 29 and 37.

One of the sadest aspects of being an exile is the clarity it gives you over the parochial nature of us Scots. Please see the larger picture Tweedmouth, think carefully about the welfare of your fellow Scots. Scotland is a coountry surviving and voting on half truths, lies and undeliverable promises.

The vision of a free and independent Scotland can only work if we stop kidding ourselves on and start seeing ourselves for who and what we truely are.
A
39

Mist001,

Marseille 10/06/2008 09:12:51
The housing development is only a part of it because unless he's being spectacularly badly advised, who would spend their money to privately build housing on the North East coast of Scotland?

Michael.
40

Anonym,

Trump Boulevard 10/06/2008 09:20:35
A personal 747! Now that's a carbon footprint! What a clever chap.

I've never understood why anybody takes golf so seriously. Will I be allowed to have a round once the course is built? I'd like driving the carts best of all, but whacking divots out the ground and posing in all the golf gear is great fun too.

No need to keep score, I'm not competitive that way.
41

Eddie the Eagle,

Crawley 10/06/2008 09:21:38
23 Tweedmouth

I take it you've never been to this area? There is about 20 miles of similar coastline and the current land use pattern isn't a million miles away from that of a golf course. As far as I'm aware they manage the championship courses at Carnoustie and St Andrews (both on duneland) without any environmental damage

I would have thought the giant land fill site a couple of miles along the road was more of a concern than a golf course and some houses.
42

GGD,

Aberdeen 10/06/2008 09:22:33
#23

Do you know what Menie estate was primarily used as prior to this planning development? It was used as a shooting estate, yes birds were bred there to be shot and anything else that flew over was fair game too.
The Trump organisation has spent a lot of money on environmental surveys etc on this project and to turn it down would be saying that Scotland is not open for business, come on people let's get a grip here.

A family member of mine worked at the estate and has told me of the work that has gone on there.
43

RJ,

10/06/2008 09:30:48
#37: the back 9 holes of Trump's "championship" golf course are proposed for the SSSI. Trump's own advisors make no bones about (1) the nature conservation importance of the SSSI and (2) the fact that the golf course will basically trash it (because the main dunes will have to be "stabilised" with liquid rubber or somesuch).

If Trump were prepared to compromise a little (move the golf course off the SSSI but use the other dunes, shuffle everything else around a bit), we wouldn't have to witness this circus - but that's not Trump's style. Instead, he's trying to blag his way to getting carte blanche for the whole OTT scheme.

This isn't about Scotland being "open for business" - it's about whether Scottish Ministers (whatever their political colour) have got the guts to stick to legal standards, regardless of the profile or reputation of the developer.
44

RJ,

10/06/2008 09:40:12
#41: define "environmental damage". St Andrews and Carnoustie were laid out 100 years ago or more. SSSIs have been around for much less time and have only had strong(ish) protection since the 1980s. Most links courses are not SSSIs because the dunes are highly altered.

I don't think anyone has said that the landfill site is a good thing. Don't use it as a straw man.
45

AntiPCman,

10/06/2008 09:44:19
The facts are simple.
Mr. Trump originally proposed a 2 golf courses and a hotel with timeshare apartments - 800 acres and £300m.
Experienced persons as myself in planning could not see that this was viable or likely. I asked where the houses were?
Then Mr. Trump proposed the above but with 500 very large houses - 1400 acres and £1000m. The original idea was contrary to a raft of planning policies and the final application compounded the issue of non compliance.
Mr. Trump had, on the face of it, an interesting and probably worthwhile proposal if certain aspects were changed even though it would still be contrary to policy.
Those aspects were to rearrange a couple of golf holes; reduce the enormous height of the hotel and put in more affordable housing rather than 500 houses costing between £450k and £1.1m each. Clearly, there was an issue on planning gain for extra infrastructure.
However, Mr. Trump, emboldened by the Formartine Area vote, chose to carry on with his application and rightly so.
It was turned down at the Infrastructures Committee meeting on a Chairman's casting vote. I know Cllr. Ford very well as a friend and he is the pillar of integrity but he got it wrong and should have deferred the application. This would have allowed Mr. Trump to amend his application which is a perfectly normal procedure in planning.
He chose to fight an appeal rather than submit another application. He was poorly advised as he would have been pushhing at a wide open door as far as Aberdeenshire Council was concerned.

46

Eddie the Eagle,

Crawley 10/06/2008 09:49:44
44

No environmental damage as in the species you see in the surrounding countryside are prevelant on the courses.

"I don't think anyone has said that the landfill site is a good thing. Don't use it as a straw man."

Why not? The council can approve something damaging as a landfill in the same area but Trump's development is too dangerous to the local environment. Dry your eyes "man".
47

long live the supermarkets,

Every little hurts 10/06/2008 09:51:20
I have just worked out what 1180 people will do in January and February each year 500 will put the salt and sand mix down 500 will clear the snow 180 will make Aberdeen rolls and put the soup on.
48

Arfur,

10/06/2008 09:58:01
Wecome Donald - Please ignore the knuckle dragging stone aged thinking tree huggers while you bring your cash to an area of Scotland in much need of investment.
49

Mikko,

Drumnadrochit 10/06/2008 09:59:21
I hope Trump gets the message that Scotland doesn't want his crass, greed driven and tasteless brand of capitalism wrecking its beautiful environment.

In any event, who ever heard of anything as daft as a golf course on the northeast coast. Ever heard of wind and rain Donald?

Please get back into your environmentally sensitive jumbo jet and clear off. You aren't wanted here.
50

Deekie fae Midstocket,

Aberdeen 10/06/2008 09:59:26
At last we have a government which has a can-do attitude, after 300 years of negativity from unionist wreckers. Welcome, Mr Trump and cheers to you, Mr Salmond!
51

ScotLJM,

Michigan, USA 10/06/2008 10:11:11
I'm with you no's #17 thru #26, this former Aberdeen lass, now Yank chic, can see that the negative responses are from envious guys who for the most part are jealous of others, and who have little ambition. As an architect, who has done very well for herself, I have dealt with a very male dominated profession, and learned to deal with this man's world, and yet respected in it. I look at this Trump project as an investment in progress and jobs for many. As for these jobs going to eastern europeans, well they already are in place. The resort as a privately gated community someone complained, why not? there are "members Only" clubs all over. Some very influential people will be coming, and this has to be a secure area. Wake up and smell the roses.
52

Pomodora,

Gravesend 10/06/2008 10:12:43
All that is needed to buy a Scotsman is a big line of patriotic nonsense. Trump is a trickster who has left thousands of people without pensions because of his bankruptcies and phony trading. Check it out before you allow this gambler to beat you at the table. The only person who will benefit from Trumps deals is Trump.
53

Highland Mighty,

10/06/2008 10:13:14
50. You are joking, surely?!

This farce has been a national embarrassment since Salmond stuck his nose in! We are a laughing stock!

Note the comment from Trump: "If my mother wasn't from here, I would have dropped this a long time ago."

Now apply that to anyone else thinking of investing here.

Then look at the crumbling promises to cut class sizes, increase police numbers, introduce LiT....
54

Melly,

Sussex 10/06/2008 10:14:09
#49 Mikko. Get your facts right Aberdeen`s annual rainfall is 30 inches a year - that`s 2" less than the drought ridden Sussex area. We are frequent visitors to family in Ellon and I can say that any wind we have experienced throughout various times of the year are certainly no different from this area. Ever heard of the Great Storm of 1987 ?
55

brownlie,

10/06/2008 10:16:49
53 Highland

Quite right, Highland, you are a laughing stock!!
56

Sedov,

Scotland 10/06/2008 10:17:36
Money talks, or does it? In America everything is bigger but not neccessarily better. Here we have a Big American with a Big Plane and a Big Mouth. Maybe a compromise between jobs and conservation would be the answer, but is it all or nothing for this swaggering, bragging dude who has the perfect partner in Alex Salmond?
57

Mikko,

Drumnadrochit 10/06/2008 10:19:29
#51 "smell the roses" you say. Hah hah hah, what roses are going to grow on that windswept northeast coast? It's architects that have already destroyed large swathes of this once beautiful country. And don't even mention American architecture. Just endless cities that all look the same - glass boxes and skyscrapers and more of the same. But of course it doesn't really matter in America, it's barely got any history anyway.

That's why I wish Trump would stick to building his hideous eyesores on your side of the pond and if you want to help him do it good luck to you. Just don't bring it here.

58

Think long & hard,

Other side of the world. 10/06/2008 10:20:09
If you think that this moneyman will pay for all the development think again. The entire population of Aberdeenshire will have to come up with the costs of infrastructure development, millions of quids, and in the end the promised permanent jobs will vanish like cigar smoke. He's not there to do you any favours.
59

Evan Owen,

Snowdonia 10/06/2008 10:39:16
What is that on his head?
60

Venachar,

10/06/2008 10:42:26
By most accounts Aberdeen is one of the most prosperous areas in Britain.
How is then that the elected representatives and the employees in the council can so seriously screw up their accounts when the main industry in the area is in bonanza time. Simple - incompetence!

The Council have been proven to be inept - do you think they were otherwise in dealing with the Trump application as # 45 points out.
#23's last paragraph clearly describes our current political elite.

My own perspective is that as long as Mr Trump builds a decent hotel up there then that's fine. Some of the crapola that purport to be hotel accommodation would be rejected by the Scottish Prision Service particularly those near the airport.
61

LyonHearts,

le teil 10/06/2008 10:48:42
#59 It's called a " comb over" Evan and it's a real beaut! Infact it's so good I think I'll send the picture to Viz and maybe I'll win £25 if they publish it in their " Comb over corner" section! All the best snaps of badly fitting syrups and hair rugs!
62

brownlie,

10/06/2008 10:49:27
49 Mikko

"Who-ever heard of anything as daft as a golf course in the north-east?"

Royal Dornoch, which is much further north-east, is known world wide and is acknowledged as one of the best courses in the world.

As for your fatuous comment about roses it is obvious that you know very little about the environment in Scotland.

If you are as influential as you claim then perhaps you could use your influence to do something about the pathetic road system in your own back-yard.
63

Mikko,

Drumnadrochit 10/06/2008 10:57:58
#62 Try growing roses on those sand dunes on the northeast coast - if you succeed then I'll grant you the argument. Oh, I forgot, your kind who supports this environmental calamity probably will succeed since the protected sand dunes will just end up being bull dozed over to create "sensitive landscaping" including roses.
64

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

10/06/2008 11:10:16
OH cmon. The man took a side trip to see where his mother was born. Leaving aside all the media BS , I think it's rather nice , and dare i say it, human.
65

Melly,

Sussex 10/06/2008 11:11:23
#63 Mikko you just keep making a fool of yourselves - time to stop posting son. You don`t grow roses on any sand dune anywhere never mind the north east. The area is famous for roses however and has one of the biggest breeders and growers in the UK.
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brownlie,

10/06/2008 11:11:35
Your statement "What roses are going to grow on that windswept north east coast" infers that roses do not grow in places like Fraserburgh or Peterhead and is as irrelevant as your statement regarding growing roses on sand dunes.

Perhaps, over generations, we should have left any form of progress behind and Scotland would now be an uninhabited desolate wilderness - extremely beautiful but with no-one to enjoy the beauty except for a few birds and wild animals.

We could use the lichen for the manufacture of woad.
67

Tellen1,

10/06/2008 11:14:46
#60

"By most accounts Aberdeen is one of the most prosperous areas in Britain. How is then that the elected representatives and the employees in the council can so seriously screw up their accounts when the main industry in the area is in bonanza time. Simple - incompetence! The Council have been proven to be inept - do you think they were otherwise in dealing with the Trump application as # 45 points out."

Get your facts right before you start spouting your opinions - it was ABERDEENSHIRE council who dealt with the Trump application, ABERDEEN council who have been having financial problems as you point out are nothing to do with this.
68

Eddie the Eagle,

Aberdeen 10/06/2008 11:17:34
63

Aberdeen is home to one of the UK's largest collection of rose bushes at the Duthie Park Winter Garden. Perhaps fact checking is something you should consider along with rose sniffing.

69

Capital Boy,

10/06/2008 11:18:59
welcome to the east of scotland mr trump, yer money is very welcome here
70

Tellen1,

10/06/2008 11:20:48
#64

"OH cmon. The man took a side trip to see where his mother was born. Leaving aside all the media BS , I think it's rather nice , and dare i say it, human."

You are so naive, this was nothing more than a publicity stunt, if he really cared about where his mother was born don't you think he would have been back earlier in his life? As pointed out in the article his sister has been a frequent visitor to Lewis but this was Trump's first time there since he was four. It was all a publicity stunt to drum up support - the fact he only spent 2 minutes inside the house and then held a press conference proves it.
71

Morbo,

10/06/2008 11:21:21
Go away Donald. We don't want your millions of dollars! Better fun to say no to you than create jobs and boost tourism.

Leaves a strange aftertaste, what is that? Oh, regret.
72

Pilrig.,

Livingston 10/06/2008 11:24:24
Great ! - someone's found Donald a jar of brylcreem !
73

Beth Boyle,

NY 10/06/2008 11:25:24
Hide yer women! Burry your gold!
74

Pilrig.,

Livingston 10/06/2008 11:26:46
4 - naw yer no' . What's Lithuanian for "tic-toc...tic-toc..." ?
75

Pilrig.,

Livingston 10/06/2008 11:32:05
38 - that's us ignorant indigenous jocks telt. Who do we think we are, the inhabitants ?
76

Mikko,

Drumnadrochit 10/06/2008 11:34:54
Since we are all agreed you cannot grow roses on sand dunes, I rest my case and hope you take the loss of argument with dignity. I believe we are also agreed that "sensitively landscaping" a protected area by bulldozing it would be a crime.

The simple truth is that Trump works for Trump and some people in Aberdeen are too stupid to learn from the old adage: "when you sup with the devil use a long spoon".

As for jobs, don't make me laugh. A few low paid Phillipino room maids and a man at the gate to doff his cap to the appalling people who turn up.
77

Mikko,

Drumnadrochit 10/06/2008 11:37:09
#68, The winter garden is built on an unspoilt sand dune is it?
78

Pilrig.,

Livingston 10/06/2008 11:37:12
51 - "Privately gated community, why not ? " ...err cos (depending on the acreage) it runs contrary the Land Reform (Scotland) Act of 2003 !
79

Calgacas,

10/06/2008 11:39:51
I hope they searched him going through customs, as we are on arriving in his country, and has he paid Grampian Police for the extra police presence at Aberdeen Airport, or do we the local taxpayers have to foot the bill?
Was his entourage searched for weapons? many questions I wonder how many answers?
80

Mikko,

Drumnadrochit 10/06/2008 11:43:36
#79 You've probably noticed by now that the Trump supporters here would pretty much prostrate themselves on the ground in front of him for a wee dollop of his money.

I was only surprised these fawning sycophants didn't roll out a red carpet and throw petals on him as he descended from his environmentally friendly jumbo jet.
81

Ike,

Glasgow 10/06/2008 11:46:47
Welcome to Scotland, Mr Trump. And to your distinguished sister. I hope the deal goes through and benefits all concerned. If it disnae, you'll no' be back and that Aberdeen Council should be chased out of towns with sticks!
82

kimba,

10/06/2008 11:52:51
If Trump is allowed to build on this site it will be disasterous for the plants and wild life of this area,they can never be replaced, a poxy golf course can!
83

Tellen1,

10/06/2008 11:55:05
#81

"Aberdeen Council should be chased out of towns with sticks"

Is is really that hard to grasp which council is involved with the Trump application?? It is ABERDEENSHIRE COUNCIL who dealt with the application, ABERDEEN COUNCIL has nothing to do with it. The Trump development is on land 10 miles out of Aberdeen city in an area that Aberdeenshire Council has jurisdiction for.
84

brownlie,

10/06/2008 11:56:57
76 Mikko

Resting your case is the most sensible posting from you today.

You made the fatuous remarks regarding roses and no poster on here claimed that they could grow on sand-dunes.

As for your racist remarks regarding the low-paid if you can get plumbers, electricians, hotel staff, greenkeepers to work for low-wages then you should inform the general public.

Does it not occur to you that such a project would be of enormous benefit to the area in that hotels and houses would need servicing.

This would encourage new ventures starting in this area to address this need.

Do you use local services or do you import item such as food, drink and all your daily necessities?

You are seriously deluded if you think that you have won any kind of argument on this thread.
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Venachar,

10/06/2008 12:01:42
#67

Whether it is Aberdeen Council or Aberdeenshire Council the point is they are not very good at what they are supposed to do, otherwise this discussion would not be taking place.
Oh and by the way your hotels are still cr*p, perhaps that why you can grow roses then.
86

Mikko,

Drumnadrochit 10/06/2008 12:02:25
#84 Accusing me of racism is a serious slur; pray do explain yourself.

As for me winning the argument, that was never in doubt; roses don't grow on sand dunes. And anyway, anybody who tries to defend environmental devastation in this day and age was always backing a morally bankrupt argument so of course people like me will always win it. I do hope you aren't one of those hypocrites that takes paper and bottles to the recycling bank while endorsing people like Trump to fly around the world in private jets to fix up grand scale environmental damage for their personal greed.
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The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

10/06/2008 12:03:34
70 YOU are the naive one. What do you want the man to do ? What do you want from him ?

Did you expect the Scottish press to swoon over him or make catty remarks ?

Grow up. This is economic potential for Scotland and its brats like you that chase the world away.
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The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

10/06/2008 12:05:37
This is why I dont post on the scotsman site , it may be childish over at the edinburgh evening news but at least they are not po-faced, up their own aholes and thinking they are in Local Hero.
89

Neil,

Glasgow 10/06/2008 12:08:09
A £1 billion investment can be expected to produce about £120 million a year in assorted taxes - most businesses make far more for the government than for their owners.

I have asked several times but have yet to see a single one of those alleged "environmentalists" saying what taxes they pay or services they use they wish to see altered to cover the loss. Strangely not one of them has been able to do so - destruction is easier & more fun than construction.
90

Mist001,

Marseille 10/06/2008 12:09:41
#80

I certainly wouldn't prostrate myself in front of Donald Trump, neither would I be intimidated by the fact that he's an internationally famous billionaire which imo as I stated earlier, I believe happened with Aberdeenshire council (not Aberdeen City Council, now corrected).

You hear the guys plans out, give him a fair hearing and if they're good, then go with them. If they're not good, then ask him to ammend them.

We're talking quite a fair bit of investment and prestige for Scotland here, so it would be a shame to lose them over local petty politics.

Scotland should be working WITH this man, not for him, not against him, but WITH him.

Michael.
91

bring them on,

10/06/2008 12:11:07
#47

Best post on this thread.

Tuffty Trump go home.
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WL,

livingston 10/06/2008 12:12:33
Should we be impressed that he now went to Stornoway, after he ignored it for 60 years?
93

Tellen1,

10/06/2008 12:15:45
#87

"70 YOU are the naive one. What do you want the man to do ? What do you want from him ?"

I don't expect or want anything from Trump, I was merely pointing out that his visit to his mother's former home was not 'rather nice' or 'human' but was infact a publicity stunt.

"Grow up. This is economic potential for Scotland and its brats like you that chase the world away."

Aside from your personal insults which I will ignore, you will see that I have made no statements of either opposition or support for the Trump development.

My post was on his visit to his mother's house being a publicity stunt, I made no mention of the development, so it is rather presumptuous to assume that I am opposed to it. Just because I think he was involved in a publicity stunt does not mean I am opposed to the development.

"This is why I dont post on the scotsman site"

Er...forgive me if I'm wrong but isn't this the Scotsman site and aren't you posting on it?
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Mikko,

Drumnadrochit 10/06/2008 12:16:36
#89 Construction invariably involves destruction - that is why we don't want Trump's abomination here.
95

G,

dundy 10/06/2008 12:17:22
Was wee Lec there to meet big Trumpter?
He already has his footprints on his back.....
96

Tellen1,

10/06/2008 12:21:46
#89

"A £1 billion investment can be expected to produce about £120 million a year in assorted taxes. I have asked several times but have yet to see a single one of those alleged "environmentalists" saying what taxes they pay or services they use they wish to see altered to cover the loss."

The Trump development is not currently paying £120m a year in tax, there would therefore be no 'loss' to cover if it wasn't built, unless the Scottish Government has already included the revenue from its development in its future tax plans which would be a rather forward thing to do.