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Public inquiry won't make me quit – Trump



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Published Date: 29 February 2008
DONALD Trump yesterday made it clear he would not turn his back on Scotland, despite the Scottish Government's decision to order a public inquiry into the tycoon's controversial plan for a £1 billion golf resort development in Aberdeenshire.
The staging of the local inquiry could delay a final decision on the scheme for up to a year or more, according to planning experts.

Mr Trump had originally hoped to begin construction work at the Menie Estate site near Balmedie early this year, but his organisation emphasised last night that he is now resolved to see the planning process through to the end.

George Sorial, the Trump Organisation's managing director of international development and Mr Trump's right-hand man, said the decision to hold an inquiry was disappointing, but Mr Trump was no quitter.

The company, he said, would have preferred if a final decision on the development had been made through written submissions and it was anxious about the potential timescale.

He added: "Our commitment remains unwavering. Mr Trump has carefully deliberated over the next steps. He is not a quitter and has decided that, given the positive feedback and overwhelming support he has received from the people of Scotland, he will continue to work with everyone involved to turn his plans into reality.

"This is a regrettable setback but we are not going to give up when the prize for Scotland is so important.

"It is his legacy for Scotland and he remains committed to building the world's finest golf course in one of the most stunning locations in the world.

"

Scottish Government ministers called in the application after it was rejected by Aberdeenshire councillors last year. Opponents of the scheme were quick to point out that, had Trump appealed the authority's vote in December, a planning inquiry would now be closer.

Mickey Foote, a spokesman for the Sustainable Aberdeenshire group, said: "This is what we hoped for and what we thought was the best way of openly and transparently discussing the issues.

"(Mr Trump] was not going to appeal or modify his plans. (The Trump Organisation has] caused their own delay, as far I can see."

He added: "We have seen no movement from the Trump Organisation and we look forward to (Mr Trump] making some significant modifications or walking away."

Announcing the decision to hold a local public inquiry, John Swinney, the finance secretary, said: "Given the nature of the application and the considerable public interest, it is important that the process to examine the issues is as efficient, transparent and inclusive as possible.

"I have now asked the Directorate for Planning and Environmental Appeals to convene an early meeting of the parties to inform the preparation of a definitive timetable for handling the case.

"I am determined there should be no unnecessary delay in considering this application."

Rita Stephen, development manager of the Aberdeen City and Shire Economic Forum, said: "We hope the inquiry can be as streamlined as possible so a decision can be made quickly."




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  • Last Updated: 28 February 2008 9:30 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Donald Trump
 
1

Resolutions,

29/02/2008 00:44:31
So he is disappointed is he?

All the greater reason to have a Public Enquiry then!
2

Si Burnett,

29/02/2008 00:48:56
Mr Trump can throw money to his lawyers far faster and in greater volumes than a Public Enquiry can purchase legal support for the British/ Scottish public and their environment.

I really wish that JP and the Hootsmon would reveal their true agenda.



3

Jock 107,

29/02/2008 00:49:29
Here's something I found a few weeks ago. It's a game...

HOW TO NEGOTIATE BY DONALD TRUMP

Some people, but not many, are born with an innate talent to negotiate, but most people need to practise the art. Here are a few pointers.

1. Know exactly what you want, and focus on it.

2. View any conflict as an opportunity. This will expand your mind and your horizons.

3. Know that your negotiating partner/partners may have the same goals as you. Do not underestimate them.

4. Patience is an enormous virtue and needs to be cultivated for successful negotiations on any level.

5. Realise that quiet persistence can go a long way. Being stubborn is often an attribute. The key is to know when to loosen up.

6. Remain optimistic. Practise positive thinking - this will keep you focused while weeding out negative people.

7. Let your guard down on purpose. Watch how your negotiating partners respond.

8. Be open to change - it's another word for innovation.

9. Trust your instincts, even after you've honed your skills.

10. Negotiation is an art. Treat it like one.

Donald Trump is a property developer and author of four books, including The Art of the Deal. He presents the US version of The Apprentice.
4

Andrew BOD,

Aberdeen/shire 29/02/2008 00:58:52
Mickey Foote says...
"Mr Trump was not going to appeal or modify his plans."

Councillor Ford gave him no chance. Instead of voting for the status quo as is customary for the Chairman's second or casting vote, and deferring for further negotiation (possible modifications,) he voted against and then went on national TV to say the "application was now dead". How triumphant.

This enquiry needs to be a proper public enquiry, not just one for certain members of the public with extreme environmental viewpoints.
5

AJ fae Fife,

29/02/2008 00:59:49
What happened to the project being shifted to Northern Ireland? An empty threat perhaps?
6

Andrew BOD,

Aberdeen/shire 29/02/2008 01:04:19
3 Dragonhead says:

"The Scots are noted for their tenacity.."

In relation to what? Delays in planning, red tape, inquiries, beaurocracy, etc.. ?

That's really something to be famous for. Let's hope word doesn't get out to too many would-be investors.
7

indune1,

Canada 29/02/2008 02:56:47

Beware of Donald the "Trojan Horse". The man is a pathetic human being.
8

Beth Boyle,

Trump State, USA 29/02/2008 04:40:48
People like Trump get their way by wearing down their opponents. He hopes to wear Aberdeen down so they just say yes to make all this go away. He is pond scum. Drive the scruvy dog out!
9

Ross Fyffe,

Scotland 29/02/2008 05:52:13
#4 thats exactly how rich men get their women, follow each step wafting the power of money to get their way, just pathetic that it works,
10

Cappo Del Monte,

29/02/2008 06:26:03
#8
Dont know about pathetic human being, but its a pathetic rug he wears even with all his money lol

Now you can see hes a man of his word, he stated quite firmly in the beginning, that any opposition etc, he would up sticks and go else where, now months down the line, oooooh he still here boring us with his pathetic excuse to build homes / houses in the guise of a golf course development.
be sure on one thing, this is his way of trying to by pass planning to build houses for the rich
11

overton,

balmedie 29/02/2008 06:56:56
The quicker this time-wasting public enquiry is progressed the quicker morons like Mickey Foote can be kicked into touch.
12

Shane & Co,

The Dog 29/02/2008 07:23:48
The only negative response to this project is from people who do not live in the area or even Scotland, keep your stupid comments and bad feelings to where you come from!
Most of the population of this area of Aberdeen, Bridge of Don and beyond will be really proud to support such a scheme.
We get rid of the idiots who dumped the initial proposal and now we have in-about comers stirring it up once again.
Push this through as quickly as possible before all the DO-GOODERS are back mouthing about Seagulls etc
13

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 29/02/2008 07:43:57
#8, #9, #10, #11
What a load of pathetic socialist horsesh*t. What is wrong with people being rich? Are you just jealous cause they got off there backsides and did something with their lives,you pack of empty headed Trotskyist's. No lets not build anything in Scotland expect ugly wee boxes for council flats. If we start to get jobs in Scotland we actually might be expected by the benifits officer to go out and get one. If socialism was the solution, Scotland would be the envy of the World. What is it, a collection of Ned infested nasty wee Tesco towns thanks to 60 years of following the Labour sponsored development model. You are so stupid you deserve to stew in your own sh*t.
14

conservative,

Fife 29/02/2008 07:49:32
George Sorial says "we are not going to give up when the prize for Scotland is so important."


Oh right - nothing in it for Trump then?
15

Rob,

Moray 29/02/2008 07:50:09
How ridiculous is this? More delay - more red tape - more daft flat earthers telling us how to live all washed down in a feast of ignorant, anti-American bile. If I was Mr Trump, I'd be off to see my chum Ian Paisley - with two fingers waving in the air at the idiots in Scotland once more proving that organising a p**s-up in a brewery is way beyond our capability
16

conservative,

Fife 29/02/2008 07:56:42
Trump certainly chose the right place when he chose Aberdeen where the lure of hard cash is certainly a lot stronger than ecology.

I hope we don't see any of the above supporters on the green bandwagon on future topics eh?

Wonder what Trump'll do if he digs up some more oil waste during development.
17

Gusto,

29/02/2008 08:14:54
I thought his "deadline" was a month ago, or he would pull out.
So pull out Donald.
18

Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 29/02/2008 08:19:30
#4 has made a valuable contribution today. If this is how Oor Donnie manages then it also shows how to deal with him: neither trust his motives nor his means. In fact, show him the door. A housing scam is a housing scam is a housing scam. Sadly this Inquiry will be steam-rollered by brown envelopes and slick lawyers. I do hope I'm wrong.
19

Gdgy,

dundee 29/02/2008 08:20:00
SO Trump won't pull out and build it in NI like he threatened to? Why not?

MAYBE Lec or one his SNPbots has given Donald the nod that the application will go through...after some huffing and puffing
20

UrbanFox,

29/02/2008 08:22:37
Trump go home, we dont want you or your "legacy".
21

Nikostratos,

29/02/2008 08:42:45
close the door behind you on the way out Mr Trump!
22

Toast,

29/02/2008 08:51:33
So much for all his ultimatums,simply trying to blackmail the Scottish people,go away you sad little man.
23

Astarte,

Giffnock 29/02/2008 08:55:55
Who will rid us of this troublesome priest?
24

11+failed,

the pans 29/02/2008 09:18:56
The bill for this public inquiry ought to be paid by the prize idiot and exhibitionist Councillor Ford. Does anyone think that this project is not going to go ahead? OK, we have a bit of a sham inquiry to save a few political faces then common sense will prevail.
25

Gothic Rose,

29/02/2008 09:20:18
8#indune.
Nom de Plume, TimW.
26

Doh,

29/02/2008 09:39:04
#17 clarry

For your information

This public inquiry has been ordered by John Swinney - who last time I looked was a member of the SNP government.

Are you always this confused?

Or, maybe you cant handle the truth.
27

Clive Hamblin,

Sussex 29/02/2008 09:48:26
Oh dear #s 13 & 16! Do you really believe Scotland needs people like Trump?

Or his money?

Or is that all you're interested in?

With people like you, 'Bleed poor Scotland, bleed!'

28

Dixie Dean,

Forres 29/02/2008 10:04:51
This is the fella threatened to 'take the project to another country' if it went to inquiry

We don't need the likes of him here threatening us, and money isn't the only thing which matters in this world
29

Roberta Burns,

29/02/2008 10:09:57
13 Shane & Co,The Dog - Bridge of Don is a monstrosity compared to what it was. And now you want an elite village and golf course on your doorstep that, unless you are a minimum wage cleaner, waiter, grass-cutter etc. you will never see the inside of.

People like Trump see something they like and the the get it - one way or another. It's time Scotland grew up. Yes, we need investment, if he's so keen why not invest his money in improving St Andrew's or Troon? The money would be better spent in those areas.

14 KampungHighlander,Jakarta - Keep your stereotypical views of Scotland to yourself.
27 clarry, Once again, Clarry, when will you be part of the elite who would have a grandstand view of our country's coastline that you you will be denied? Sharpen your chef's knives and save up your minimum wage while you a*se-lick your betters.

And as for Portlethen, they have throwing up houses in this area for years into the smallest spaces and not a single effort has been made to attract investment for leisure facilities - many promises though. There two pubs and half pubs, two schools, and a demolished community centre. That's it. Haven't seen Trump around though.

DUMP THE TRUMP
30

Roberta Burns,

29/02/2008 10:12:28
Should say 'rest of us denied...'
31

Old Town Resident,

edinburgh 29/02/2008 10:41:29
this is interesting how Americans are leaving their courses in droves

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/off-course-how-the-us-fell-out-of-love-with-golf-785620.html
32

Richard Taylor,

Aberdeen 29/02/2008 10:43:07
*GROAN*

Here we go again...round & round it goes..............

STICK WITH IT DONALD!!! The MAJORITY are in favour of the project.
33

Roberta Burns,

29/02/2008 11:01:01
GO AWAY DONALD - the MAJORITY are against the project.
34

bill-alba,

fife 29/02/2008 11:07:54
Its a golf course with some houses..what the big deal with all you anti's....trump has lots of money, why should that bother you..if it is a public enquiry we the public will get the reasons if not approved/approved so you can judge for yourselves if it is fair and public enquiry and protest accordingly.
Trump you are welcome to Scotland as is any expat who wants to contribute to Scotland..
35

Neil,

Glasgow 29/02/2008 11:09:08
The Downing St online poll showed over 90% in favour of getting this investment. Others have not been quite so overwhelming - but close. Therefore Roberta you are factually wrong.

I wonder how long it will take Dolad to build this thing. It looks very much like not nearly as long as it takes to get permission to invest his £1 billion. What an example to other potential investors, but I suppose that is what the eco-fascists want since they are opposed to economic growth.
36

A Crofter,

Western Isles 29/02/2008 11:20:19
Trump clearly needs a shrink if he really believes in "the positive feedback and overwhelming support he has received from the people of Scotland". His dwindling fanbase amounts to little more than Ecky, Swinney and a handful of rabid stormtroopers (Shane and Doris Clarry-Loon).

Ominously, the above article fails to mention Swinney's additional comment that he would not necessarily take the slightest notice of the inquiry's recommendations. So what's the point wasting yet more public money?

There is one ray of hope, however. The growing recession explains why Trump is no longer in quite such a hurry; with a bit of luck, it will bury him in a bunker for good!
37

Tormod,

Auld Reekie 29/02/2008 12:06:14
If you are against the development fine that's your opinion I am for the development that's my opinion.

The spanish inquisition aka MacNeill & McLetchie is behond embarrassment, watching it made me sick and mad talk about cutting your nose off to spite your face and then McLetchie complains about the time the government is taking over the planning process.

So we'll have a public hearing great let's get all our cards on to the table then and see the bairns spit the dummy oot the pram.

Why oh why are the three other parties acting so stupidly it doesn't make sense politically.

The more championship courses in Scotland the better and if you are a member of a Scottish golf club you will be able to play these courses through the Scottish golf union
38

Jock Politicaljunkie,

Glasgow 29/02/2008 12:15:12
In light of the mud slinging by the likes of David McLetchie and Nicol Stephen, the only solution to shut everyone up was a Public Enquiry.

I just hope the enquiry will be quick about it. I note that the Libdems, after initially supporting Councillor Martin Ford, are now quietly distancing themselves from him. A fall guy perhaps? Also gives away how THEY think it's going to go, ie. ahead. Either way I don't think McLetchie or Stephen will come out of this looking good.
39

nolimits,

Beautifull BC 29/02/2008 12:23:28
Maybe its time to grab at the dollars, before the US economy goes into a terminal flat spin.
40

Brian Hill,

Edinburgh 29/02/2008 12:38:13
Stay with it Donald, all will come right in the end.
41

John south of Soutra,

29/02/2008 12:49:43
Why is there the need for a public inquiry, any other country in the world would welcome this development but not us backward looking scots, if we really to play in the big boys league we have to start behaving like them.
42

dido-bendigo,

Argyll 29/02/2008 12:50:51
I wonder if the plan is to build an eco-development similar to the Cardenen eco-town plan in Fife? 5000 wooden homes, 1000 of them affordable. Call it Eco Donald, you'll be on the right track! What's the betting that the Forestry in Scotland has the wrong sort of trees? Import the timber from Eastern Europe, the EU will probably give you a grant to cover the cost on the grounds of improving job oportunities! Be seen to be green! With wee Eck at your side you can move mountains!
43

John south of Soutra,

29/02/2008 12:52:48
Roberta can you please support your comment - GO AWAY DONALD - the MAJORITY are against the project, because from I can gather the vast majority of the local population are for it, I suppose it is all the parasite tree huggers who move form one development ot another and cause chaos who are against it, but they would have us all living in caves and eating raw root vegatables
44

overton,

balmedie 29/02/2008 12:55:19
43 A Crofter,

You seem happy sitting there sponging of the taxpayers - keep your nose out of developments here and let Mr Trump invest here if he want to.

Get the inquiry moving and let's get these golf courses, hotel and houses built!
45

Roberta Burns,

29/02/2008 13:08:21
45 Dragonarse, - I am way way to the left of the right-wing labour supporters and proud to be called a Socialist. I have absolutely no problem encouraging Scotland's entrepreneurs, but it's only big bucks trump with his pocket money who's able to buy up our land and further restrict Scots' access to an incredibly beautiful part of this country, that I resent. If his project was to be based in an area that really needed the income from such a development, I would give him my full support. But, that's not why he's chosen the wealthiest part of Scotland, and I despise the thought of the Scottish workers slaving for him on minimum wage while turning Aberdeenshire into a low life las vegas.

42 Neil,Glasgow - You are a fool. Firstly, who is Jeff Roberts - the guy who set up the petition? I would suggest he is an American citizen by the way he uses the English language. Even the most ingnorant in Aberdeen would not spell centre 'center'. Then, there's the list of names - who are they, where are they from? And where do you get the 90% support for the project from - 90% of Scotland? Aberdeenshire? Golf enthusiasts? Trump enthusiasts?

Get a grip, I don't expect you would pay too much attention to polls that you do not agree with. Like 99.9% of Scots despise Conservatives!
46

overton,

balmedie 29/02/2008 13:13:31
53 Roberta Burns,

Are you mentally ill?
47

Roberta Burns,

29/02/2008 13:16:37
51 John south of Soutra,- Where do you gather your information from, John? And, if you had ever visited the Menie Estate, you'd find that treehuggers would have a job finding trees to hug. And, do you think ordinary Scots will ever be able to get membership of the Trump's shiny new golf club?
48

Roberta Burns,

29/02/2008 13:17:45
54# Nice line in debate, there. Very intelligent.
49

overton,

balmedie 29/02/2008 13:34:06
56 Roberta Burns,

The irrational garbage you keep coming out with tends to imply that you are not living in the real world hence my question.
50

Roberta Burns,

29/02/2008 13:39:27
57# So, it's now a mental illness to oppose the trump? Must speak with my analyst.
51

Kitti Kat,

29/02/2008 14:18:00
I sincerely hope that Trump loses is battle to ruin Scotland. Only the very rich will be able to live in the area,anyone who works there (unless a high paid exec) will most likely be treated as if they were low life. Talk about a class system. This will make Victorian England look like they were best buddies with the "working class". Most Americans can't afford his high priced hotels, golf courses, etc. and those who work there are jsut part of the wood work. Keep Scotland as she is. One thing to update, but don't destroy wildlife, the area , etc. with over priced houses and golf courses that the average person will not be able to afford.
52

Resolutions,

29/02/2008 14:28:54
#Roberta# overton# John South of Soutra and all

Cool it - this type of stuff is not a rational adult argument!

Enough is enough
53

Dunnie,

29/02/2008 14:38:42

With a swing like that he needs a golf course!
54

BMeister,

29/02/2008 14:39:10
Roberta Burns
' I don't expect you would pay too much attention to polls that you do not agree with'

As yopu indeed appear to do. Everything I've seen indicates that a large majority of the local population. The Evening Express poll put support at 80.3%. The petitions on the UK govt website are around 70% in favour. Where do you get your evidence that the majority are against?
55

Dunnie,

29/02/2008 14:45:44

32 - Gothic Rose.

Indune1 is not Tim. It was me up until a few mins ago when for some unknown reason the "Hootsman" would not recognize my password. I used to post as Dunnie but for the same reason had to change to indune1.

Something very wonky.
56

Nomada,

29/02/2008 14:54:50
BMeister #62 and others who have not cottoned on yet. It matters not a whit if 120% of the local population want this nutter as a neighbour. From the moment Swinney called the application in it became a matter of *national* importance. You can agree with that idea or not, but that is where we are. So if the national interest outweighs the local view (whatever that is, and you are certainly not going to discover that from a 'poll' on the website of the UK govt which has no locus in the matter at all), the national interest will prevail.

Any one in Scotland, or with an interest in Scotland, has the right to opine on this case - our Great Leader has said as much. So if the arguments in favour of Trumptown are good and robust, Trump will get his way. If the opposing arguments are better, Trump will go and sulk.

That is why we are having an PLI (apart, of course from getting our GL and his lackey Swinney off the hook on which they rather foolishly caught themselves!).
57

BMeister,

29/02/2008 15:09:51
Nomada, it is now of national importance with regard to it's longer term effects (if any) on the operation of our planning system. I believe it's been a positive thing thus far in highlighting the negative effects of the excessive delays and red tape involved therein.

However, my question still stands, where is the evidence that there is a majority against it? The evidence I have seen indicates a majority in favour.
58

Neil,

Glasgow 29/02/2008 15:26:11
"So if the arguments in favour of Trumptown are good and robust, Trump will get his way. If the opposing arguments are better, Trump will go and sulk"

Hardly. He will go to Ireland & make money. The real problem is not that the arguments are made & a decision made but that the arguments are made & made & made for years on end & nothing gets done. Doing nothing, or preventing others from doing nothing is as much or indeed far more an action as letting them build. It provides gainful for hordes of lawyers, spinmeisters & papershufflers but it actively produces a decision, albeit one nobody has decided on.

The decision is that the developer goes away & stops bothering or probably much more often, but it isn't a news story, decides never to start the Kafkaesque process in the first place.

59

Harvey Walker,

Sherwood Park, Alberta 29/02/2008 15:34:59
How many golfers in Aberdeenshire can afford to play on a course like this. This is for the rich Americans! Tell Trump to take a hike!
60

Siobhan,

Nashville 29/02/2008 15:45:19
I hope Mr. Trump gives up. I would hate to see any part of Scotland spoiled just because he has lots of money and can do whatever he wants. I travel to Scotland once or twice a year just because it is what it is, not like everywhere else. I hope the Scots see through him and not let him spoil what they have - something very special.
61

Malc.F,

france 29/02/2008 15:49:48
I have just got to reply to the right wing drivel on this site.
Scotland is the (supposed) way it is because of being used as a site for the unemployed by succesive Tory governments over the years because they know that it is a Labour stronghold and therefore do not give a monkeys for Scotland or its people.
Whatever you say about the Scottish working class you cannot deny that they invariably delivered the best in the world,their big mistake was insisting on a fair wage for a fair days work and we all know with the greed and avarice of the Trumps of this world your never going to win that one,but at least they fought.
On the subject of Lefties,Greenies,trots,jobsworths,tree huggers,hippies,beardy wierdys and any one who does not work for a multinational or are horror of horrors civil servants or any other target of these smug right wing hypocrites,they are people too and as such are entitled to their opinion which I must say that in my long experience is more driven by care and compassion than tabloid newspapers opinion.
They also tend not to be Rapists,Muggers,Bank Robbers,Child molesters or City Fraudsters.
My point being that before you open your mouth engage your brain and realise that we each have an opinion on everything under the sun and it is insulting to suggest that their is somethiong wrong with someone who does not agree with you.
Back to Trump,I have a friend who is a Corporate Lawyer in the USA (He is ok though)who knows the Trumps and he tells me that he inherited his wealth and is contrary to opinion not a good or even shrewd businessman/
62

CASEY PURVIS,

WEST HILLS 29/02/2008 16:22:36
WHAT A SHAME. see he's a li*r. he said he would walk away. it will only get worse.
casey purvis
63

Gothic Rose,

29/02/2008 16:30:27
63#
That makes you the salacious one as well.Nothing will convince me other wise.I know these things.
64

Dunnie,

Canada 29/02/2008 16:38:20

Salacious?
65

Gothic Rose,

29/02/2008 16:47:24
wrong word,wrong word.Please ignore.:)))
66

overton,

aberdeen 29/02/2008 17:02:14
69 Malc.F,

There's me thinking Roberta Burns was off her trolley but you've even surpassed her gibberish son.
Get help quickly you've lost it.
67

Dunnie,

Canada 29/02/2008 18:09:09
73 - Ok. But I am still not Tim. You may have noticed that I have posted several, shall we say, critical comments about Tim's views in the past few weeks.

Anyway, greetings from a very frigid Ottawa (and yes, I know, Tim posts from Ottawa also).
68

okanaganguy,

kelowna b.c. canada 29/02/2008 18:19:05
#69. I wouldn't put too much faith in what your corporate lawyer friend told you. The Donald may not be well liked but when He takes on a project, it is second to none. If He builds a golf course in Scotland, it will be world class.regards
69

A Crofter,

Western Isles 29/02/2008 18:42:53
Sturmbandleiter Overton - Why do you and your brown-shirted friends leap to the defence of this revolting shark and his boyfriend, Ecky with such indignant fervour?

Do you honestly believe Trump has any motive other than to enlarge his wallet and massage his obviously inadequate ego? Remember all that nonsense about coats of arms the other day - pathetic!

Whatever bile you and your looney mates may spew out, many of us would prefer not to see our country trashed for the benefit of greedy property speculators, egged on by politicians who go weak at the knees at the mere sight of a bulging wad.

And yes, I do receive a very modest crofting subsidy. These days, this assistance is paid to ensure proper management of the Scottish environment for the enjoyment of its people and wildlife. This is a concept that wallet-worshippers may find hard to comprehend.
70

fritigern,

Inverness 29/02/2008 19:03:29
The most effective strategy for those opposing Trump would be to claim he has English blood. The SNP would then lead the opposition to the destruction of SSSIs, even if Trump offered them backhanders (something which, of course, never happens in Scotland).
71

Resolutions,

29/02/2008 19:10:39
Crofter
Your comments are almost as offensive as some of the ones by the Balmedie Overton Roberta tribe.
Just what makes you think that the Government are impressed by 'bulging wads'. Does it not occur to you that they may (unlike the previous administration) be trying to establish the truth about this proposal and if - not if, this Trump proposal is going to be of benefit to Scotland?
Calling people names does nothing for your arguments, likewise the others indulging in this today.
72

Grandma,

Cheshire, USA 29/02/2008 19:13:45
Typical Scotland. Great chance to market itself and bring in a great income and increase tourist trade and you shoot yourselves in the foot. You've never been able to stand alone for long and you never will. There couldn't be a more reliable situation placed in your lap with billions in financial backup. Maybe Scotland is afraid of succeeding?
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scothighland,

29/02/2008 19:24:12
40#
Scotland is open for business face it or feck off!!
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David Cavers,

Kincardine, Ontario, Canada 29/02/2008 20:32:00
#81. Yes Scotland is open for buisness. But just how many multi-million pound golf resorts, that only the wealthy, can afford to play on, does Scotland need?

Someone please tell me.
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scotinbc,

bc canada 29/02/2008 20:33:50
robertaburns

I'm sure you must have went to commie school or somewhere that says it is bad to do anything profitable You write as if there is a chip on your shoulder. Personally I think you are just stupid.
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Roberta Burns,

29/02/2008 21:22:46
83# Well, a Canadian calling a Scot stupid. Love it. You'll a friend of the Timwit then?

I am an SNP supporter who has held Alex Salmond in high regard for many many years - even when I voted otherwise. But, to paraphrase what your fellow Canadian, who clearly is intelligent to question and not swallow what the Trump wants, says 'How many elite sports clubs does Scotland need? And, I repeat, if the trump was building his gold-plated golf club in a part of Scotland that needed the income and the jobs, he would have my support.

My concern is more about the people of Aberdeenshire, who will be deprived access to a very beautiful part of their coastline because an arrogant, rich American wants to build an exclusive resort that the average Scot will never benefit from. So, tell me, smarta*rse, where's the benefit of this project?
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Andrew BOD,

Aberdeen/shire 29/02/2008 23:44:25
36 Roberta Burns

Where the **** in the 'monstrosity' of Bridge of Don do you stay? Shallow insults regress your shallow arguments even more. Where do you stay? Eden?

Your small-minded reasoning for not progressing this development is not even worth discussion. Why would he invest in improving St Andrews, even if they let him? Your grasp of private investment is astounding. At least the socialist posters understand what they talk about.
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Andrew BOD,

Aberdeen/shire 29/02/2008 23:51:05
69 Malc

Me thinks too much wine's been had.
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Andrew BOD,

Aberdeen/shire 29/02/2008 23:53:22
79 A Crofter says..

"Sturmbandleiter Overton - Why do you and your brown-shirted friends leap to the defence of this revolting shark and his boyfriend, Ecky with such indignant fervour?"

NOT WORTH READING ANY MORE OF THIS POST AFTER YOUR TRADEMARK ABUSIVE INTRODUCTION.

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Andrew BOD,

Aberdeen/shire 29/02/2008 23:55:45
82 DAVID CAVERS

None in NE Scotland YET.
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Andrew BOD,

Aberdeen/shire 29/02/2008 23:56:45
79 Resolutions

Well said. Some sense at last.
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Resolutions,

01/03/2008 00:10:41
Now that you've insulted each other to the core, do you think we could have some rational answers to these questions please?

Can the infrastructure cope with a devlopment of this sort and how much is the providing of an adequate infrastructure going to cost the taxpayers of the area?

Where are the 'guests' for the course going to come from and will there be enough to make the place sustainable?

Who is going to provide the food etc for the resort and how is it going to get there?

What precisely are the jobs to be created at the resort once it is built(if it is built) and who is going to fill them?

Who is going to be employed during the construction phase and where are they coming from in view of all the work at present struggling to get employees?

Who is going to occupy the houses and what sort of facilities do they require(provided at taxpayers expense)?

What are the plans to deal withh the rising sea levels, increasing frequency of storm surges and increasing erosion along the east coast or is it perhaps thought that Trump's bit is immune somehow?

Just a few questions to be going on with for you to start offering some rational thought-out(polite) answers to please.
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Andrew BOD,

Aberdeen/shire 01/03/2008 01:14:21
I've got some more questions.

What wildlife nests/lives within the part of the SSSI that is affected. (I think the Tern and the Eider nest in the Northern sector across the estuary.)

Where will the developers, contractors, sub contractors, workers, etc.. stay during development? (There ain't no decent hotel space in Aberdeen for less than £150 a night.)

Exactly what 'damage' will be caused to the dunes?

What experiences can be drawn upon a similar golf development, and what was the actual environmental impact?

Can the developer be persuaded to include some affordable housing?

If this development acts as a catalyst for further tourist development within the area, what plans do local businessmen and women have to take advantage of this new sector?

Is it true that the golf course will attract even more flora and fauna after a few years, as is the case with many golf courses?

Trump has stated that he will try to keep the courses as 'natural' as possible. What does this mean?

And one final question...

If there is really widespread local support for this development, will it be demonstrated at the Public Inquiry, or will it be overrun with passionate environmental objectors?


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okanaganguy,

kelowna, b.c. canada 01/03/2008 06:20:36
#90.Resolutions: What do you suppose the annual taxes on this development will be? Where does the food come from now? Are you saying that there aren't enough skilled people in Scotland to take on the construction of this project? I am sure that Trump has this all figured out already. You don't print a very good picture of your country. Hopefully the majority of your countrymen in the area will support the project for the betterment of the area, regards
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overton,

aberdeen 01/03/2008 06:41:01
77 A Crofter,

See, I was right you are a parasitic sponger living off the taxable income of businesses and the hard working people of the UK.
The Trump Development (investment) will create jobs and will be a great boost to the economy of Scotland.
A good Hotel is needed in Aberdeen/Aberdeenshire (something like Peebles Hydro)as there are none at present.
More taxes will be available when the development is progressed and you will be able to laze about even more dreaming of the Socialist Utopia that you will never see.
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overton,

balmedie 01/03/2008 06:53:24
90 Resolutions,

Your questions have already been answered but suffice to say that the majority here want this opportunity to go ahead as quickly as possible. The conversion of the Shooting Estate that is Menie and which is now owned by the Trump Organisation into a World Class Golfing Facility can only benefit the area. Menie, including the dunes, holds no special plant, bird or animal life that cannot be found either north or south of the site.
The involvement of the buffoons who inhabit the RSPB and the vandals who are members of the Ramblers Association is entirely suspect.
No birds of any interest to the RSPB inhabit the subject dunes and the Ramblers should not be walking on the dunes either.
An investment of £1billion should be welcomed - your approach, however, is unwelcome, is irrational, uninformed and ill-mannered.
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Nomada,

01/03/2008 07:51:26
Andrew #91. You ask: 'What wildlife nests/lives within the part of the SSSI that is affected.'
The SSSI concerns are not so much to do with wildlife (ignore Overton's rantings on this subject), but with the destruction of the mobile dune system for which the SSSI was set up. There are, however, species which the Scottish Government (not RSPB, SNH or anyone else) has declared are of special conservation importance (the Scottish Biodiversity List, which has status under the Nature Conservation Act).

Also: 'Exactly what 'damage' will be caused to the dunes?'
The damage will be to the dynamic nature of the dune system, a system which is rather rare. Sorial has declared frequently that he will protect and stabilise the dunes, but he knows (or at least he has been told often enough) that stabilisation would destroy the very special properties of the mobile system.

The SSSI and wildlife concerns, be assured, are written into Scottish law, not just based on the whim of what Overton and his friends describe as 'tree-huggers' and similar.
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overton,

balmedie 01/03/2008 08:33:22
95 Nomada,

The only concern that you and Mickey Foote have is getting your view interrupted - it's nothing to do with the dunes (which you really have no interest in) and more to do with jealousy and your self-opinionated assumptions as to the character of the investor.
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Nomada,

01/03/2008 09:13:14
Overton #96 - I am sure if you argue Trump's case at the PLI with the shining intellect and unshakeable grasp of the facts that you show in your postings, the Reporter will have no difficulty making a rapid decision on the matter. I look forward to it!

BTW, you like Clarry elsewhere, have clearly confused me with someone else. I don't have a view over Menie, I am actually very interested in the dunes, and I am not remotely 'jealous' (I think you mean 'envious', but I am not that either).
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overton,

balmedie 01/03/2008 09:28:36
97 Nomada,

Apologies - there was me thinking you were in 'Sustainable Aberdeenshire' and getting just as arrogant and presumtious as you!
The case to be argued is for the economic wellbeing of the area and the benefits that will ensue when we have the proposed level of investment in place. You and your pals have personalised this from day one, thus the appearance that you are envious and jealous of Mr Trump.
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A Crofter,

Western Isles 01/03/2008 10:45:27
Resolutions - Don't blame me for defending myself against the vitriol of the Nazis like Clarry , Overton et al. Why should such people monopolise these forums, slagging off anyone with the temerity to disagree with them? Just look at all the personally abusive postings above, including Overton's most recent polite comments (#93) that I am "a parasitic sponger" dreaming of a "Socialist Utopia".

I stand by my previous observation about politicians (of all parties) and their irresistible attraction to "bulging wads". I think most people would agree that this is a fact of life, proven time and time again!

The undue favour already demonstrated by Salmond and Swinney towards Trump by virtue of the unprecedented call-in means that most of us regard the announcement of an Inquiry with the utmost suspicion. The BBC reported that Swinney claimed he would not necessarily take the slightest bit of notice of the Reporter's findings. So what makes you believe the SNP is "trying to establish the truth about this proposal"?

Trump got his consent two years ago from McConnell and Salmond (at the same knees-up where Connery was promised lifelong membership). This consent was affirmed by the subsequent brown-nosing red carpet treatment afforded by Holyrood (as reported in today's article).

Aberdeenshire’s infrastructure committee would have considered most elements on your list (#90) before rejecting the plans. The ensuing vilification and sacking of the committee’s chairman (who seems to have acted quite properly) has shown Holyrood politicians up for what they really are.

Most of us can recognise a stitch-up when we see one.
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overton,

balmedie 01/03/2008 11:13:13
99 A Crofter,

What's this then - the conspiracy theory?

The only conspiracy that there was was between Martin Ford, Debra Storr and Sustainable Aberdeenshire who all acted together to undermine the application from day one.
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Andrew BOD,

Aberdeen/shire 01/03/2008 11:13:18
99 A Wrong Crofter

A 'stitch-up' would have meant NO public inquiry.

And as far as the 'undue favour' you speak of is concerned, how favourable is a 3 month delay, THEN an announcement of a PLI? Your socialist persuasions clearly have you blinkered.
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Billy Boy,

Sherman Oaks California 01/03/2008 14:28:20
I'm sorry to hear that Scotland needs another Golf Course so badly, who would have thought? Perhaps they will give sprecial consideration to all of those Brits and others who are fighting to help secure those other development sites in Iraq and Afghanistan.

 

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