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Donald Trump: Billionaire takes on golf course opponents



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PROPERTY tycoon Donald Trump today clashed with the councillor whose vote led to the rejection of his £1 billion golf resort plans.
The billionaire was accused by Aberdeenshire councillor Martin Ford of showing "little understanding" of certain details of his application.

Mr Trump responded by saying: "No-one has ever told me I don't know how to buy property before. I appreciate that."

He was speaking at the first day of a local public inquiry into his plans to create the golf resort at the Menie Estate in Aberdeenshire.

Mr Trump faced questions throughout the day from a number of environmentalists.

At a press conference immediately after he had finished giving evidence at the Aberdeen Exhibition and Conference Centre, he said the questions from his opponents "weren't very good".

Mr Trump wants to build a development with two championship golf courses, a five-star hotel and hundreds of houses.

Part of the course would be built on delicate sand dunes – a Site of Special Scientific Interest (SSSI).

Mr Ford's casting vote as chairman of Aberdeenshire Council's infrastructure services committee led to the plans being rejected last year, before the application was called in by the Scottish Government.

Mr Ford, who was subsequently sacked as chairman, told Mr Trump today he was "a bit surprised" that the tycoon had seemed unsure that the dunes were designated as SSSI when he bought the land.

Mr Trump said: "I know every inch of the site, I know the site, for example, far better than you do.

"Details come later, you don't say, 'let me spend a couple of years studying it' – it doesn't work that way."

Mr Ford later said: "Are you aware of the thousands of objections? It is not just me."

Mr Trump replied: "I see polls showing 93% in favour, I have never seen polls in the 80s and 90s like this.

"You can say what you want, but this is a very popular project and you probably know that better than anyone."

At the press conference, Mr Trump said he "really enjoyed" the experience.

He said: "The questions were fair, the answers were 100%, everyone's saying we really knocked it out of the box.

"I listened to the questions from the few opponents we had, and honestly, the questions weren't very good.

"Right now we would be 75% complete. It is unfortunate, but often I find great things take more time."

Earlier, Mr Trump was accused of claiming he would create the world's greatest golf course to justify building it on environmentally sensitive land.

He denied the accusation, saying he believed all along that the site could be the greatest in the world.

David Tyldesley, of the RSPB, suggested that Mr Trump's original vision had been to create a "world class course" but not necessarily the world's best.

Mr Trump said: "Let me make it clear so we can perhaps save some time. I am looking to build the finest golf course in the world if given the chance to do it."

Mr Tyldesley said: "I don't doubt that it's an aspiration but can I put it to you that it is only a recent aspiration in order to justify the use of SSSI."

Mr Trump replied: "That is absolutely false – the moment I saw the site I thought it had the potential to be the greatest golf course in the world."

Mr Trump spent much of the time promoting his environmental credentials.

At one point, chief reporter James McCulloch warned that there should be no calls from the crowd after Mr Trump described himself as "an environmentalist".

Mr Trump described the current state of the site as "kind of disgusting".

David Morris of the Ramblers' Association in Scotland asked him if the Aberdeenshire site was one of the best he had seen in the world. He said: "I don't think it is just now, I think it can be.

"There are dead bird carcasses, there are animals lying over the site which have been shot.

"Maybe some people are into that – I'm not."

Mr Morris then asked whether it would still be possible for the public to go to the sand dunes and watch golfers play, if it was within the law to do so.

Mr Trump said: "Subject to the law – but they don't go hand in hand.

"You don't want to be sitting with your family getting smashed by a golf ball."

The tycoon, who spoke for about four hours, said he did not know how many people currently used the beach, but added that he personally never saw people there and that it seemed "pretty desolate".

He added: "Before, no-one knew what it was. Now they are saying 'Menie, it's the greatest'."

Mr Trump repeatedly insisted that his development would help protect the dunes.

He said that his decision on when to build houses would depend on global market conditions.

When asked by Mr Morris how far he was willing to compromise, Mr Trump replied: "In the US we have the expression 'half-assed'. Let's do it properly."

The inquiry, which later heard from the course architect, is expected to last three to four weeks.

The full article contains 869 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 10 June 2008 6:17 PM
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1

Waspy100,

10/06/2008 18:44:12
If it is going to be good for the Scottish economy and create jobs then let it go ahead.
Sounds like a good Idea to me cant really understand where the moaners are coming from
Please enlighten me?
Slainte
2

Nomada,

10/06/2008 18:48:45
Trump claimed in an interview that he would 'improve on nature'. If he thinks when he looks in the mirror that the dead-ferret look-alike on his pate is an improvement on nature, it puts that comment in proper perspective. His answers to the cross-examination demonstrate his total lack of awareness of what 'nature' is all about.
3

Eric_the_Red2,

Aberdeen 10/06/2008 18:50:10
I would have to disagree with Trump's assessment of his performence. While we he certainly confident and bullish, he admitted to not having read even the summary of the environmental assessment, as well as various other documents. Also, the continuous quoting of a 93% poll whose source is unknown seems to be using the strategy of repeat something often enough and people will believe is true.

One thing mentioned on the BBC site was that people had to be warned to keep quiet after Trump called himself "a true environmentalist" after widespread laughter began.

However, the most priceless comment made by Trump was the claim that his development would stop the shooting of birds: of which he claimed 25,000 a year were shot! I would love to know where he got this figure from.

Trump was confident and stuck to his guns, however only the most optimistic observer would ignore the fact that a level of ignorance was betrayed by Trump during the questioning.

4

Saoghal Beag,

10/06/2008 19:02:18
with a performance like that he makes Boris look on the ball.

i can not believe that this planning application has been escalated to the level it has and costing so much. All that is needed is the lay out of one of the golf courses to avoid the southern end of a SSSI. Doable at no major cost and yet Trump has dug his heels in like a spoiled brat and scotland has given him the audience he craves.
5

THE TROLL HUNTER,

10/06/2008 19:10:39
"Part of the course would be built on delicate sand dunes – a Site of Special Scientific Interest (SSSI)."

That is quite simply a lie. The plan shows no development on the small section that is SSSI. And in fact would protect and enhance the SSSI.

Anyone who has walked around Gleneagles or any other great Scottish course cannot help but notice how the environment is enhanced by the presence of these courses. Gleneagles is renowned as one of the Worlds most beautiful areas, as is Cameron House,Loch Lomond, which before the course was built was an overgrown jungle.
6

fgreed,

10/06/2008 19:12:12
Mr Trump also claimed today that the Menie estate was currently a 'killing field' with '25000 birds' being shot there each year. Does anyone else think that figure sounds a little high? Indeed it calls into question other figures released by the Trump organization such as the suggested level of support for the project: 93% in favour.

These figures have little substance and seem to stand alone without any research to back them up. Mr Trump is clearly an intelligent man, does he really believe that Scottish people will not see beyond his bravado and tremendous ego?

fgreed.org
7

indune1,

Canada 10/06/2008 19:14:05

Hopefully, the more that Scots are exposed to this meglomaniac the sooner they will come to the realisation that this man's arrogance, greed and duplicity knows no limits.

Caveat emptor.
8

THE TROLL HUNTER,

10/06/2008 19:14:42
#4. This has escalated to the level it has because of the bitter and twisted actions of the Unionist parties in Holyrood who sniffed and opportunity to discredit the SNP. The ones who have been left with egg dripping from their jowls is Duncan McNeil and his team of morons and Labour.

They tried the same stunt over Aviemore and it has blown back in their twisted faces.

Grist to the SNP mill.
9

mobocaster,

Aberdeen 10/06/2008 19:29:01
#5

"That is quite simply a lie. The plan shows no development on the small section that is SSSI. And in fact would protect and enhance the SSSI."

No, YOU are lying - Here is the current Trump masterplan.

http://www.ukplanning.com/aberdeenshire/doc/Report-5798309.pdf?extension=.pdf&id=5798309&location=VOLUME5&contentType=application/pdf&pageCount=6

Look at page 3. Top righthand third of the map is roughly the most contentious area & that looks like a fair few greens to me!

As for the environmental protection, that is doubtful. The very dynamism of the ecosystem is an important factor.

Most of the other courses used as comparison were either established long ago, with very different construction methods to today (notably the lack of chemical injection to kill-off life the subsoil), or were established on land with considerably less environmental fragility to begin with.
10

overton,

balmedie 10/06/2008 19:44:29
6 fgreed,

There's no doubt that 25,000 birds were put on the estate (partridge, pheasant and mallard) every year - I think the estate was shooting at least 3 days per week Oct to Jan which equals 3 x 4 x 4 = 48 days - there were some 400 bird days but mostly 200 bird days so I would say that reared birds shot per year would be about 10 - 15000. Add in the wild duck, woodcock, snipe and geese shot and you will get to around 20000.
11

Jock Wilson,

10/06/2008 19:46:58
Mobocastor,

You are a game fellow, but you write such rot. The other courses - only two are named - are fairly recent in comparison to the famous links courses.

Your point about 'the dynamism of the ecosystem' and 'chemical injections' are red herrings. The fact is that most of the great links courses were built on areas almost identical to Menie.

Of course, human developments despoil nature. That unfortunately is Man's relationship with the environment. How many cows have you seen off on your dinner plate?

The question before us is whether or not on balance the benefits of this project outweigh the disadvantages. That is why there is an enquiry.
12

California Scot,

finally hame agin 10/06/2008 19:51:59
I don't much care for Trump. Arrogant, self absorbed, and would you look at that hair. However....I have been to his other golf corse in Southern California. It sits on the cliffs in San Pedro, California overlooking the Pacific Ocean. For me to say it is a magnificent blend of fairways and nature would be an understatement. He is an a$$. But he hires the best of the best to do his bidding. This particular course has all the natural areas preserved and or reestablished and it is stunning. There are trails through the area that do not effect the golfers but allow the public to view the natural areas.
It might not be such a bad idea to let him have a go. Jobs would be created and the area left natural for the animals. Seems like a win-win situation for Scotland if he does the same as he did California.
13

overton,

balmedie 10/06/2008 19:54:49
9 mobocaster,Aberdeen

Who are you trying to kid you pathetic clown?

Your two pals Debra and Wee Marty looked equally pathetic today and were clearly out of their depth and I must say that I had difficulty in deciding which one of the sad pair was the least photogenic, although when they entered the room they acted as if they were the King and Queen of Siam.

I hope that they had both booked holidays from their employers (Aberdeenshire Council) for this performance.
14

mobocaster,

Aberdeen 10/06/2008 19:59:22
#11

Fine then Jock. At least two of the great links courses are currently struggling & one is currently up for sale - Why then does Trump want to build another when he could buy one of those instead?

Unless of course the housing aspect is more important?
15

mobocaster,

Aberdeen 10/06/2008 20:02:33
#13

Overton - Why do you persist in trying to hook me up to them. I've explained my position before.

However, you could say much the same thing about Trump's baffling performance today.
16

overton,

balmedie 10/06/2008 20:11:01
15 mobocaster,Aberdeen

You sure you're not related to them?

Are you in Sustainable Aberdeenshire?
You do seem to spout the same rubbish about the importance of this lump of sand that neither you or any of the other objectors visited or cared about until Mr Trump offered to invest £1billion in this wasteland.

Mr Trump came over very well and to be quite honest he has nothing to hide.
Ford, however, came over as a complete buffoon.
17

mobocaster,

Aberdeen 10/06/2008 20:27:11
#16

Absolutely not Overton - I may know a few of the folk involved & broadly agree with them but at its simplest I'm just a local guy who has formed his own opinions on the scheme (Which may not be entirely in agreement SA either).

Oh, I've been going there on & off for a very long time as well.

As for Trump's billion - He must use a different measure to everyone else. I simply don't believe he plans anything like that & the various reported claims of anything from £300 million to £2 billion seem to bear out my concern that this is being hyped out of hand.

As for Trump's performance - I don't know about that as I've already spotted one response that totally contradicts what he said on the STV news yesterday. If that was really said under oath, contempt may be an issue?

Anyway, it is not about the personalities - who said that again?
18

Roland Rat,

ex Aberdeen 10/06/2008 20:41:55
Isn't it interesting that in this whole sorry saga the one community who never seem to express any opinion are...Golfers.

Probably because they know full well they have no chance of ever getting a game in this exclusive development unless they happen to be exceptionally well off.

This is simply a housing development with a golf course attached.

19

Sam,

Edinburgh 10/06/2008 20:45:45
#9, Mobocaster

If you are going to slag of Trump and his proposal you should never publish a link to the website that shows it. You destroy your own argument! Far better to rely on whinging envy to support your rant. Trump's scheme sites the clubhouse well clear of the dunes area. The final course design may be clear of the dunes as well. But just consider the outcome if the project goes through and ends well. Mobocaster may yet find useful employment. Caddy? Groundskeeper? Perhaps you can fill up the ball bucket machine at the driving range. Oh aye, that may be asking a bit too much from a wee Scottish Socialist.
20

mobocaster,

Aberdeen 10/06/2008 20:52:38
Why Sam? I'd rather this was decided on facts rather than hype.

If Trump started making substantive alterations to his plans (instead of the 2.5% shift already proposed), he may find a lot of the opposition melting away.

I've already got a reasonable job thanks & my politics are my business. That is not why I'm here.

21

Jock Wilson,

10/06/2008 21:08:21
18

Mr Rat, but I'm a golfer and one who supports the Trump Plan. All our great courses are extremely expensive to play - unfortunately.

The Savoy and The Ritz are all well beyond the means of your average Londoner but I would not anticipate a campaign to have these demolished in the name of egalitarianism. They meet a market and bring well- heeled visitors to the area.
22

mobocaster,

Aberdeen 10/06/2008 21:12:29
#20

If reference to the public facts about the scheme is trolling, then I'm sorry. You will just have to live with it as I have a very thick skin.

23

Myosotis,

Kincards. 10/06/2008 21:13:22
Eric the Red and Mobocaster have summed up today`s proceedings very well, and any neutral, e.g. the BBC`s admirable Colin White, would say that Donald Trump had some moments in the rough.

Indeed Donald gave ample evidence of the problems that will beset any development he attempts in the UK: his great confidence and vision, but a failure to master the basic facts, and a lack of vigilance to ensure that his chosen team works together.

He praised inputs from the Sierra Club (environmentalists/ramblers) in the planning of his American golf courses, then was taken aback when Dave Morris for the Ramblers said his organisation`s first contact with TIGLS was this morning. Then DT said his staff should have done better.

DT admitted he had been told by his environmental consultant, Tom Dargie, in spring 2006 that there should be no development on the SSSI, yet had never pushed his course designers to take seriously options of building totally or mainly outwith the SSSI.

He even admitted that it was several months after he bought the Menie estate before he knew the dunes were a protected site. So despite DT`s regular claims to be an environmentalist, the environmental status of his expensive purchase seems never to have crossed his mind.

And why did others in the TIGLS team not warn him sooner? Perhaps they thought they would be ignored?

DT`s intentions for the MEMAG management team were also exposed - purely advisory, with no guarantee that advice will be heeded.

This is simply no way for a listed site to be managed, and if the full application is approved there will be awful consequences for Scotland`s listing systems for special sites.

Any attractive conservation site from Edinburgh Castle to Marischal College will be fair game for developers.

24

Jock Wilson,

10/06/2008 21:19:05
24

Come off it. Your misreport the BBC's correspondent, for your own ends or perhaps because you extrapolated what you wanted to hear.

He clearly stated that Trump overall did well and finished strongly. At first he was at bay, betraying a lack of detailed knowledge, but he finished strongly - 'had a good back nine' in the words of the BBC reporter. Martin Ford failed to land a telling blow as did the representative from SWT or RSPB - I forget which.

You are as tendentious as the rest of us: the difference is that we know it.
25

Jock MacTamson 2,

Highlands 10/06/2008 21:23:47
It is being built and that is that. I hope the RSPB/libdems/tree huggers and the like are going to foot the bill for the total waste of time and money this whole argument has caused. It a sand dune and it is not of Special interest to me.
26

mobocaster,

Aberdeen 10/06/2008 21:30:15

Well Jock, you are painting a great picture of the attitudes, selfishness, short-sightedness & greed of many who seem to support the scheme.

As well as a complete lack of respect for both those who disagree with you & the environment of our country - Which by any reckoning is worth a lot more to the economy than any scheme of Trump's, by quite some margin.
27

Jock Wilson,

10/06/2008 21:38:46
Mobocastor,

Jock is doing no more than the 'other side' in this increasingly polarised debate, now truly a dialogue of the deaf.

To the environmentalist all those who favour the project are selfish and greedy (your own words)They are capitalists, red in tooth and claw. They are despoilers.

I know many who are in favour of Trump who are none of the above and I know some of the naysayers who are accurately portrayed by Jock, namely the old style 'Greens' who demand Calvinistic sacrifice at every turn and who truly at times seem to hold humans in contempt. But where does this get us?
28

Waspy100,

10/06/2008 22:10:28
I have been enlightened,I think
Do you lot read the dictionary in your spare time or do you always talk that way?
Think you are all a little bit sad

Slainte
29

Myosotis,

Kincards. 10/06/2008 22:21:30
25

On one of several reports I have heard by Colin White on both radio and TV, he spoke of a poor opening nine for DT and a strong back nine. That surely equates to "some moments on the rough".

You seem unable to remember the proceedings even though they were just a few hours ago.

I would remind you that it was the RSPB-SWT-BSBI lead, David Tyldesley, was questioned Donald Trump at length before the mid-day break, and caused Colin`s assessment that DT had problems in the opening nine.
30

Jock Wilson,

10/06/2008 22:30:26
30,

Thanks for the memory jog. But then again, I admitted I had forgotten. You heard several reports, I only one.

However, you still seem reluctant to reflect the spirit of Mr White's summary (Colin to you) which was far more upbeat in characterising Trump's performance than you are ready to admit. Perhaps you are slightly autistic, imprisoned in simplistic literalism.
31

overton,

balmedie 10/06/2008 23:01:47
30 Myosotis,Kincards

Knowing the area in question very well you might be able to enlighten me as to what exactly is the interest here for the RSPB?

I guess the same goes for the Ramblers?
32

Myosotis,

Kincards 10/06/2008 23:03:57
I notice some here are trying to single out the LibDems as being the lead political party fighting the TIGLS application.

They seem to have forgotten that amongst the NINE councillors who voted the application down (Clark, Ford, Gifford, Humphrey, Johnston, Mollison, Ross, Storr and Tait) were SNP and Tory members.

And other Tories who voted in favour e.g. Jill Webster, have publically expressed grave reservations on environmental grounds, and a wish for very strict conditions to be imposed. So strict that from what we heard today Donald Trump would not build.
33

mobocaster,

Aberdeen 10/06/2008 23:07:29
#28

Yes Jock W - I agree the lines are too sharply drawn & there are stereotypes on both sides. However, most folk I know (who have any opinion) are much more normal.

Then again, I recall getting nothing but dogs abuse from many of the pro-Trump camp from day one. At a time when I might have been much more likely to change my mind if I'd seen some reasoned argument in its favour.

For the same reason, I'd reckon many more are keeping stumm about what they really think.
34

Andrew BOD,

Aberdeen/shire 10/06/2008 23:14:02
Myotosis

With the exception of the Greens, there are no political parties opposing the development. Not in local authorities or in Holyrood. There are individuals opposed and there are parties who want to score political points, but there are no parties opposed to the development.
35

Myosotis,

Kincards. 10/06/2008 23:18:53
32:

Skylarks for one, as Colin White tried to show in his TV clip.

Geese, reed buntings.

But the main thing is not any individual bird species but the listing of the special habitats as an SSSI. That`s why the case concerns every conservation-minded person in Scotland.

The EC Habitats Directive lists several of the Menie habitats, some with priority rating, and some could lose a significant part of their Scottish extent.

For flowering plants, lichens, fungi there are real rarities at Menie that can`t simply fly away.

For bryophytes we don`t properly what is there because due to a cock-up between Aberdeenshire Planning and TIGLS the survey is only being done right now, and we probably won`t have the results before the Inquiry is over.
36

Senga Jean,

10/06/2008 23:32:59
There are more skylarks nesting on links golf courses than in "wild" areas.The shortness of "rough" suits them. I once saw a dead Great crested newt on Menie. I think a seagull dropped it. SAVE THE SEAGULL I SAY.
37

Andrew BOD,

Aberdeen/shire 10/06/2008 23:33:10
Myotosis

You were at the Trump debate at Aberdeen Townhouse and you heard Anne McCall from RSPB state publicly that's there are few birds there. She said it was all about the geomorphology of the moving dunes.

I'm sure it would be of interest to many members of the RSPB that their subscriptions and charitable donations helped finance an alternative course design and public display, completed by a leading golf environmentalist. And the upshot is that the development they are fighting won't really affect the birds.

The RSPB will get their chance to put their case at the PLI. I hope someone cross examines them on their real motives for objection.
38

SHANGHAI SCOT,

SHANGHAI 11/06/2008 00:02:58
Lets arrive in the real world.

During WW2, how many ships went down,what was the damage to the environment?

Any jobs for our Country should be taken on board,


Tree huggers , BA HUMBUG

Please try and place your selves in the real world
39

Andrew BOD,

Aberdeen/shire 11/06/2008 00:17:17
12 California Scot

Well-balanced post. With new info on the discussion!

Here is the link to the Trump course that California Scot was telling us about....

http://www.trumpnationallosangeles.com/html/home.asp

Contrary to what some would have us believe, Donald Trump has a track record with this sort of golf course. Lots of good environmental practices at work. Why would the proposed one at Menie Links be any different?
40

mobocaster,

Aberdeen 11/06/2008 00:35:11
However Andrew, that course (AKA Rancho Palos Verde) has had its share of problems as well - Notably land set aside for environmental/access purposes later being developed into a driving range, repeated run-ins with the local authority & a contempt for his neighbours that demonstrates a fair degree of contempt for the local community.

You can do a search for it on Flickr & find plenty of images of parts of it looking a bit tatty & run down as well.

Still, the high teas in the clubhouse look fine. Wonder how much they cost?
41

mobocaster,

Aberdeen 11/06/2008 00:40:04
Never mind that there is absolutely no comparison between the scale of RPV & the proposal for Menie that dwarfs it in every respect.

42

Andrew BOD,

Aberdeen/shire 11/06/2008 00:57:45
Mobocaster

I was drawing a comparison with environmental concerns, not 'the scale' or 'high teas'. It seems our friend in California has had first-hand experience of this. We have not. And yes, the public can walk through this resort, even with their dogs if they wish.

He also said he did not care for Trump's attitude, so my comment about his post being well-balanced seems fair.

I've already done my searches on US review sites. It gets an average of 4 stars.
43

overton,

balmedie 11/06/2008 07:33:04
36 Myosotis,Kincards

Thank you for your reply but I must respectfully point out that skylarks are not a rare species and that they do not nest on the dunes - they prefer grassy meadows and in fact will be quite at home within the rough areas of a golf course.

Reed buntings nest within the reeds of usually still water areas - none will be affected by the golf development as the wet areas remain so.

Geese will be unnaffected by the golf course apart from the fact that they will not now be shot at every time they try to land or take off.

I still fail to understand the involvement of the reistered charity known as the RSPB and hope that they can give a reasonable answer as to why they are wasting my money and that of their members on this fiasco.

The plants you talk about are common from Don Mouth to Ythan Mouth and in other areas of the UK and if objectors are honest they don't really care about the dunes or the so-called rare plants its really about the furtherance of eco-totalitarianism and an ego trip by a self promoting 'planning expert' called Martin Ford and his incredibly non-photogenic assistant Debra Storr.
44

Myosotis,

Kincards. 11/06/2008 22:57:54
Overton is talking total rubbish apart from the bits copied out of bird books.

It`s surprising that someone who has written so much about the Trump application doesn`t know that on the proposed golf course there are lots of fixed dunes carrying grassy meadows. They occur mostly outwith the SSSI.

It`s also a sign of Overton`s laziness or inability to read the many documents available at the Inquiry or on the Aberdeenshire Planning website, that he/she says the rare plants are common from the Ythan to the Don.

Why are you deliberately contradicting the TIGLS environmentalist?
45

Andrew BOD,

Aberdeen/shire 11/06/2008 23:54:33
Myotosis

An answer on the RSPB stance, though, would be good. You keep omitting it from your responses.
46

overton,

balmedie 12/06/2008 08:46:47
45 Myosotis,Kincards.

Are you saying the the information that I have given you is rubbish?
Strange comment please contradict me with fact and leave out the tantrum style response.

For your further information nothing has been taken from bird books as unlike you I have very accurate personal knowledge of the area and of the wildlife and would welcome a debate with the time wasting buffoons in the RSPB anytime.

Having witnessed the behaviour of the objectors at the Inquiry I would also suggest that if they have read all the documentation that relates to this contrived objection they actually seem quite unable to present their case in an articulate manner which comes over factually rather than the senile gibberish that was imposed upon the ever patient Trump Organisation and people of Aberdeenshire yesterday.
47

Myosotis,

12/06/2008 17:16:35
Overton (47):

Being that you have "a very accurate knowledge" of the Ythan-Don coast in your own opinion, please tell us where else does Pyrola grow but Menie.

You are a classic case of bombast, ignorance and distorted vision. But also terribly rude, and your bad manners are turning off droves of supporters for DT
48

Myosotis,

12/06/2008 19:27:45
We`ve still not heard why Overton contradicts the TIGLS environmentalist.

With your superior knowledge of the application site, I`m surprised you haven`t earned a few thousand from Donald.
49

overton,

aberdeen 13/06/2008 07:11:11
48 Myosotis,

Did you read my post at 47? Can you advise what interest the RSPB have in the Pyrola?

My knowledge of the area is substantial because I actually go there whereas you don't and if you were honest with yourself you would admit that you don't give a jot for Menie and never have.

The sad, uninformed and pathetic performance of your totally non-photogenic friend Debra Storr at the Inquiry yesterday will have the remaining 3% of objectors rushing to support Mr Trump.

Incidentally the Pyrola has quite a wide distribution in Scotland but I'm sure that if you can personally ID the specific areas where the plant exists on Menie the Trump Organisation will protect the wee things.
50

Myosotis,

13/06/2008 23:03:43
It`s odd that Overton asks for information on Pyrola when this has long been available in the TIGLS Environmental Statement, and Overton has (to quote) a very accurate personal knowledge of the site.

As for protecting the plant, TIGLS will simply cart it away in one of their 175,000 turves and hope it survives.

We are still waiting to hear from Overton of other sites for this rarity along the coast.
51

overton,

aberdeen 14/06/2008 07:05:05
51 Myosotis,

Where did I ask for information on Pyrola?

Why can't you ID the plant at Menie? Have you ever been there?

You do not appear to be able to support any of your arguments by sensible debate and completely ingnore others comments and questions. Quite frankly this approach is not of any benefit to your stance and is similar to the idiotic questioning that is being presented by your very good friends Debra Storr and Martin Ford at the Inquiry.

Pyrola is widely distributed throughout Scotland and is not atall unique to Menie.

 

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