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Donald Trump: 'If anyone else had tried to build a £1bn golf resort, they'd have got an easier ride'



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Published Date: 11 June 2008
DONALD Trump yesterday claimed his status as a celebrity and the world's best-known tycoon had prevented him getting speedy approval for his ambitious plan to build the world's greatest golf resort in Scotland.
He also boasted that he was one of only a few entrepreneurs around the globe who had the ability to develop the spectacular links at the Menie Estate in Aberdeenshire into a £1 billion boost to the Scottish economy.

And he made it clear that only
the best would satisfy his lofty ambitions for the environmentally sensitive site.

Giving evidence on the first day of the public inquiry into the controversial development, he told Scottish Government planning reporters: "I am either going to do the greatest course or not. In the US, we have an expression, 'half-assed' – let's do it properly."

Trump, the first witness called, yesterday spent more than three hours giving evidence at the Aberdeen Exhibition and Conference Centre.

He was closely questioned by his former nemesis, Martin Ford, the local councillor who was sacked from his post as chairman of Aberdeenshire Council's planning authority for using his casting vote to block the massive leisure and housing scheme.

He was challenged by Mr Ford over his refusal to compromise on the decision to build part of the main championship course on a protected site of special scientific interest (SSSI).

Trump said: "If you want to have something great in this community – approve it. If you want to have something mediocre, build a golf course off the dunes that nobody will use, nobody will ever play and, frankly, nobody will write or care about – except maybe you."

He also insisted his development would lead to the site being "magnificently maintained".

And he said he walked on the site on the eve of the inquiry and that the ground was littered with dead birds and refuse: "There is rubbish on the site, there's dumping. The site is a total mess.

"If we get approval you won't have that. When you walk on the site now, it's disgusting."

Asked by John Agnew, for Sustainable Aberdeenshire, if he had not felt compelled to clear the mess up, Trump replied: "We are doing it all the time. But people sneak on to the site and dump things."

Later at a press conference, the star of American television's The Apprentice said: "If somebody else had applied, they would have gotten it a lot easier than me.

"The celebrity and all of this media and craziness is probably a liability for me. But it's an asset for the area and for Scotland. Everybody is talking about this course all over the world."

Trump also claimed he had the award-winning green credentials to prove he was a guardian of the environment.

He told the inquiry: "I have received many environmental accolades and awards and I consider myself an environmentalist in the true sense of the word. I believe this will be a course that will be significantly environmentally enhanced when it is completed.

"The environment will benefit. The plant life – the habitat life – every aspect of life will be preserved and enhanced.

"Right now, that site is a killing field and they kill 25,000 birds a year. When I build this course, they won't be killing any birds."

Trump repeatedly insisted that the ecology of the area would benefit from the development, which opponents claim will destroy a unique stretch of Scotland's coastline.

He added: "The environmental benefits outweigh any negatives.

"But when you add the economics into the equation, it's not even a contest."

Trump later said: "I am shocked to be here because I thought I would be building the course by now. It was a fluke that we lost (the council vote].

"It's unfortunate, but often I find great things take more time. This is one of those examples."





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1

East Coast Chick,

11/06/2008 04:46:03
First of all, I am an East Coast Chick from the USA, I don't know Donald Trump, but I admire anyone who has a set of brass *alls and is willing to take a chance in life. After reading everyone's comments and sorry to have missed those that were removed, I have to shake my head. Donald is a billionaire! And with the current Real Estate market crashing around the world, I highly doubt that he would be willing to invest two billion dollars, just to take an ego trip down memory lane.

For the past six years, I have been researching my own family roots from Scotland and personally, I can understand Donald's mindset (even though I'm broke lol ) He just wants to pay tribute to his beloved mum and homeland. Rich folk like to leave their mark as a legacy to their family name. As far as Donald only spending a few minutes at the birth home of his mother, I read that as a matter of respect for his long distant cousins who now live in the home. I'm totally sure that he felt the connection for the few minutes that he stood in the home. Lots of folk think that the average American is out for the almighty buck/pound, but perhaps just perhaps this is much more meaningful then anyone is even considering at the moment?

I personally had the honor of visiting your beloved Scotlandand I was totally blown away by its beauty and I can certainly understand everyone's concerns, but

Just for the record, I live on Aberdeen in the states, so the name alone holds a special interest.

Among all the comments that I read, I see that everyone is overlooking one very important point. Wether or not "The Donald" is building this golf course for the rich & famous? Won't there be a tax imposed the houses that he wants to build that will benefit the shire of Aberdeen?
2

Mist001,

Marseille 11/06/2008 05:20:30
As I said yesterday, I think that Aberdeenshire Council were just over-awed by the fact that they'd received a planning application from Donald and just panicked since all they had been used to in the past was just general planning applications such as house extensions, building a garage and so on.

I think Martin Ford is a bit star struck, because he'll never get the chance to deal with anyone like Donald Trump again.

On a more positive note, it's making the UK national press now rather than being a parochial Scottish matter.

Michael.
3

Geronimo,

Thailand 11/06/2008 05:39:28
Not only the UK press but now big news in Asia on BBC World and CNN plus local newspapers. Scotland you don't know how good this is for you. Why is it a Scottish trait to knock those who have done well in their lives?

Get real and move this on then not only will the houses sell but people will travel from all over to play at Donald's Course in Scotland.
4

Mist001,

Marseille 11/06/2008 05:59:29
Actually, I just had a thought: I'll bet his course eventually gets nicknamed McDonalds amongst the celebrity golfers!!

I'd better get on the phone to Iggy Pop and Alice Cooper and tell them I thought of it first! I don't think Iggy can play golf anymore anyway, because of his dodgy hip.

Michael.
5

Ubi,

Edinburgh 11/06/2008 06:28:07
Say anything, do anything. Trump told Vanity Fair magazine earlier this year that he was going to get planning permission BECAUSE of who he is.
6

Richard Taylor,

Aberdeen 11/06/2008 06:50:07
Good luck Donald Trump I for one hope you succeed & that this magnificant opportunity is built.
7

Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 11/06/2008 07:08:36
A housing scam is a housing scam is a housing scam. Golf is merely the shaky cleek on which this application has been hung.

Why don't the locals care that they are being taken for suc*ers?
8

overton,

balmedie 11/06/2008 07:11:08
Good luck Donald Trump I also hope you succeed & that this magnificant opportunity is built.
9

W U Merchant,

Aberdeen 11/06/2008 07:12:17
We're bought and sold for American gold. Such a parcel of rogues in a nation.
10

Zambo,

11/06/2008 07:12:48
What kind of hollow victory is it for Scotland if this development does not go ahead, it's not the Amazon jungle we're talking about cutting down and never replacing? This project is all about enhancing the natural beauty of the location and building interest in the region, so what if it makes money when did that become a crime?
11

Mallory,

Edinburgh 11/06/2008 07:16:33
Trump doesn't get it. Many people here (I hope they turnout to be the majority) are saying that money is not the only consideration. With Scotland's increasing social divide the last thing needed is yet another block of up-market homes and another private golf course.

Trump would better achieve a philanthropic reputation and a lasting memorial by using his wealth and business acumen to sort out some of the many Scottish sink estates and lack of affordable social housing.

12

overton,

balmedie 11/06/2008 07:16:38
7 Rulesbutnotrulers,Federation

Actually it is Martin Ford and Debra Storr who are taking the locals as suckers for it is we who are paying their wages as employees of Aberdeenshire Council and it is we who are paying for the Inquiry that that two clowns caused and meanwhile they try to wreck opportunities for the Region.
The embarrassment caused by that gruesome twosome is apparent from everyone I have spoken to.

Bring on the next election quickly.
13

eric,

11/06/2008 07:38:18
the further south the more chance of be approved,you would have thought aberdeen were used to big deals being oil capital,seems this is just out their league.a lot of areas in england are lining up incase its refused.dont blame them,it sends out a backward image of the country chasing big investors out.
14

11+failed,

the pans 11/06/2008 07:39:46
If this is a housing scam as the usual suspects of the "agin anything" brigade are suggesting it is a curious time to be gambling on the property market.
15

Nebulous,

Aberdeen 11/06/2008 07:44:03
Strange as it may seem to some people - this development is widely welcomed in the North-East. We have become one of the most prosperous parts of Britain on the back of a single industry and we need to diversify. Trump's course isn't the sole answer, but it fills in another 2 or 3 pieces in the jigsaw.

In the local paper a few weeks ago he appeared to be offering 100 affordable houses and a new school if he got permission. If that is firmly tied down it goes a long way to clinching it for me.
16

Eddie the Eagle,

Aberdeen 11/06/2008 07:53:39
What happened to all the plans Aberdeenshire council had a few months back to double the population of the North East? How's that going to work if you knock back people wanting to develop housing? I can't see Aberdeenshire council knocking back a development plan like this if Stuart Milne had made it...
17

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 11/06/2008 07:57:25

'Tea and biscuits,....Mr Trump,?'

'Can I get that door for you,...Mr Trump,?'

'Did you sleep OK,....Mr Trump,?'

'More Sugar in your Tea,...Mr Trump,?'

'Can I 'blow your nose for you',....Mr Trump,?

'Need you shoes cleaned,...Mr Trump,?
18

Mist001,

Marseille 11/06/2008 08:04:34
#15,

Absolutely agree. There has to be firm conditions laid down and agreeable to both parties but I think the problem is Martin Ford.

Before this, nobody outside of Aberdeenshire had ever heard of, least alone cared about Martin Ford. Now he's a national name, as #3 says, he's becoming an international name. All this is going to his head and he's let the people of Aberdeenshire down badly imo.

Can you imagine when he hosts a dinner party? The sole topic of conversation is always going to be about how he stood up to 'flambouyant, famously internationally known Billionaire, Donald Trump', and how he put him and his money in their place.

I smell a chat show circuit coming up, ten minutes on the Richard and Judy show and things like that.

Let's face it, they're only used to dealing with planning applications from residents of the area who might want to build a conservatory on their house or something similar.

They didn't for one minute when they were elected, ever expect a planning application from Donald Trump!

Now they're going for their 15 minutes of fame which is fair enough, but they're dragging Scotland down with them.

Milk the fame (or infamy), then approve the application.

Everyones a winner.

Michael.
19

eric,

11/06/2008 08:12:57
17 let me get that door for you,have a nice day now,
20

scunnin,

Germany 11/06/2008 08:30:32
#1 no matter what your roots are, you arent scottish! Plus he has insulted us by saying we have mediocre courses or places .. well then take your lovely money and invest it somewhere else. We are proud of our mediocre land and courses!
21

SteveSC,

West Lothian 11/06/2008 08:41:15
This should not be described as a golf resort, it is a large housing development with a golf course.

A lot of Scottish people would like a piece of that land to build a home but the planning regulations prevent it.

If Trump wants to build 1000 houses it should be handled in the same way as a local builder who wants the land. The golf course and hotel can be considered separately.
22

Sunrise,

Fife 11/06/2008 08:46:26
Planers?
Concerned Bodies?
NGOs?

Fix the issues and get on with the project. Thats how stuff gets done.
This project will benifit a lot of people


All this rubbish about Trump insulting us or taking us for a ride. Gings! I doubt Trump wastes his time with any such thoughts.

Unfortunatly many of the objectors, as far as I see, spend there lives moaning about projects or people that take things forward. That's any easy options for them. But, ask them to create something or take something forward. That seems beyond them.

It seems we give too much time to moaners and slag off doers.


23

puskas,

East kilbride 11/06/2008 08:53:42
Just build it.. There are no disadvantages only good.
24

scunnin,

Germany 11/06/2008 08:55:20
#22 I think thats a rough comment coming from someone who doesnt know any of us and what we do as jobs .. he says it will be open for people to walk around, I am sorry i dont see that happening. If its a private golfing area, that wont happen. Sorry to disagree.
25

nigels,

11/06/2008 09:05:44
If anyone else had tried to build a £1b golf course they'd probably have chosen a less ecologically sensitive place to do it?!?

One of the last shifting sand dunes in Europe isn't so far behind rain forest in terms of environmental sensitivity!
26

Scotty Cameron,

Musselburgh 11/06/2008 09:11:24
Can't understand what all the fuss is about? We've got a similar development in East Lothian called Archerfield and it's been fantastic for the local community. Every weekend you see all the locals down there walking freely amongst the dunes. The local residents' special rates for a round of golf at the weekend (only £5 a round) are most welcome. The community housing is another welcome atraction to East Lothian with 5 bedroom houses starting at only £250. Yes, Aberdeen, you really don't know how lucky you are with this potential development. I say let the man with the mop on his head build....
27

Zambo,

11/06/2008 09:13:40
#20

Pride comes before a fall.
28

Zambo,

11/06/2008 09:21:01
Ambulance and white coats for #25 please
29

Buttress,

11/06/2008 09:22:08
Seems that the protection of SSI's and national planning policies is what's at stake here, which most seem to have forgotten. Or should it be one law for Donald Trump, another for the rest of us?

30

Beth Boyle,

NY 11/06/2008 09:22:10
#21 you are right!
31

Nomada,

11/06/2008 09:25:25
Scotty #26 'can't understand what all the fuss is about'.

Well, Scotty, if you have been following this at all you must have read something about the fact that the plan is going to have severe impacts on an SSSI, and we have laws and policies to protect these sites. Also that the plan is not for a golf course like Archerfield or any other in Scotland, but for a gated town with 2 courses attached.

Are you beginning to understand now?
32

Zambo,

11/06/2008 09:31:34
Could you swing that ambulance round by #31 while you're at it.
33

Farmernot,

11/06/2008 09:34:32
Trump is correct......anyone else would have been given the green light long before now...........Get on with it !!!!!
34

Myosotis,

11/06/2008 09:37:00
Overton (12) is still trying to tell us that two "extreme" councillors rejected the Trump application when in fact there were NINE from all political parties, and only FIVE in favour.

Why this pretending about the Aberdeenshire voting?

Far better for Trump`s supporters to stick to the facts, and try bring home to him that the vast majority of people in the north-east want a compromise, a championship golf course but the SSSI to be left intact.

To have up here the very best championship course in the world is simply not realistic, given our weather, the prevalence of haar, and the vested interests of those associated with our top-class courses further south in Scotland.
35

RJ,

11/06/2008 09:41:31
#22: NGOs suggested a reasonable-looking alternative; Trump rejected it:

http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/donaldtrump/Trump-rejects-alternative-plan-for.4095793.jp

Who's being unreasonable?

#26: Archerfield is not on an SSSI. It's different.
36

Zambo,

11/06/2008 09:43:16
# 34

Okay we'll settle for top ten in the world, that should appease the Southerners.
37

Jude13,

Gullane 11/06/2008 09:47:12
Archerfield is a case in point. I use to walk here freely with my wife most weekends. Now it's impossible for the simple reason that as it's a golf course it's dangerous to walk around, not that the golfers there will give way at all. Last time we went a golfer told us 'You shouldn't be walking here. This is a bloody golf course, you know!'
We've also been refused entrance by some jobsworth at the entrance who asked us what business we had here if we're not members. I've lived in the area for over 50 years!
Trump isn't a philanthropist. He's a businessman. He doesn't care one bit about Scotland.
38

Scotty Cameron,

Musselburgh 11/06/2008 09:51:30
#31 Nomada

Dear, Dear. Have you never heard of irony? I'm dead against it you twit! Read between the lines....
39

Buttress,

11/06/2008 09:52:47
Totally agree with 37. He's doing it for the money, not because he cares.
40

geekpie,

forfar 11/06/2008 09:52:56
Trump: "build a golf course off the dunes that nobody will use, nobody will ever play and, frankly, nobody will write or care about – except maybe you [Ford]."

He's letting it get very personal. His comment sounds like a spoilt bully.
41

overton,

balmedie 11/06/2008 09:57:38
34 Myosotis,

Remember that for some peculiar reason Ford had 2 votes including the casting vote.

Very strange that such a primitive should be in such a decisive position - I suppose that goes back to incompetence within Aberdeenshire Council at that time.
They certainly (like the local population) woke up when they seen the mess that had been created.

What is also strange is that when the gruesome twosome presented themselves to the Inquiry yesterday they announced themselves as councillors - correct me if I'm wrong but surely they were there as individuals presenting their unique anti-development stance?

42

Sunrise,

Fife 11/06/2008 09:59:28
#35

I had a look at the link.

Sorry, but for a couple NGOs (who know nothing about actualy building stuff and making it work), to come in with a suggestion on redesign of a project that has been trying to get going for years, and at this late stage, then of course it would be ignored.

This is particularly true as this "new" design would have to go through all the approval process again. But then the NGOs knew this before they wasted money commissioning the design. Just playing games for the papers, I feel. And of course, to prove they are doing something. Sad realy....

Please get real here. We either go this this plan or not.

I say get on with it. NOW!

43

Mikko,

Drumnadrochit 11/06/2008 09:59:59
Poor old Donald, complaining that he gets a bad ride because of who he is. Well that's fair enough in my book: he should get a bad ride because he is a crass, tasteless and greed obsessed person of the worst kind and seems to have left plenty of former business partners hanging in the wind.

The big problem with him is his block-headedness. He just can't get the fact that a two minute PR stunt outside his old mama's house sixty years too late doesn't make up for the fact we don't want him and his kind wrecking Scotland.
44

Stepford Nat,

11/06/2008 10:00:41
At least he didn't try to bribe anyone
45

Zambo,

11/06/2008 10:01:33
#39

Of course he cares, you don't imagine he made all his money by not caring, he cares about his buyers, bankers, investors, employees, partners, and his reputation, oh and not forgetting the wee bird on the nest in the corner (mind you that one was shot and stuffed a long time ago).

FOUR.......
46

Sedov,

Scotland 11/06/2008 10:06:14
Hail to Donald, the saviour of Scotland! If the golf course fails we are doomed!................
47

Doh,

11/06/2008 10:08:10
#34

You are right since this whole affri kicked off - the SNP troll called overton has been making this a party poliical issue and not a planning issue to be judged on its merits.

He is blind to the fact that 9 councillors voted against it - and that several of them were from the SNP. That doesnt fit his prejucial view so he ignores.

He might also like to explain why the SNP councillor Norman Work is objecting to the building of some more houses near Ratho?

Just as well they are not being built by Trump or it would be a matter of national importance.
48

Melly,

Sussex 11/06/2008 10:10:26
#11 Mallory. What a load of Stalinist Socialist rhetoric. What the hell has this to do with "the ever widening social divide" ? The sink estates are the legacy of your Liebour pals over the past 50 years and are not the responsibility of any one private individual to sort out.
49

Zambo,

11/06/2008 10:20:05
#51

Yup you sure told him there, that's how you go about getting rid of a pesky $2 Billion investment.
50

A Crofter,

Western Isles 11/06/2008 10:34:12
"Stabilise the doons" - oh yeah?

How does such an arrogant, dim-witted oaf attract such adulation?

After yesterday's crass display of ignorance (over SSSIs, access legislation, etc) Golffinger deserves pride of place beneath the first bunker.

Dontcha just love those sexy Reporters? Do you think they fancy a jump?



51

Chum of Boris,

Henley on Thames 11/06/2008 10:35:40
Have you seen Donald Trump's hair?
I wonder if he is related to my chum Boris. This may be useful when Boris runs for President of the United States in 2016.
52

Chris,

Edinburgh 11/06/2008 10:43:40
#12,overton, balmedie: Ford and his committee did not have the power to grant permission to do anything on an SSSI. If they had approved the development it would have been in breach of the regulations covering SSSIs. so what were they supposed to do? The answer has to be, refuse the application and send it back for adjustment. That, it appears, is what they did. But Trump and his legal advisor were not prepared to consider that. If you want to blame anyone, then blame the Scottish Exec. and Brussels for declaring the dunes an SSSI in the first place.
53

Mikko,

Drumnadrochit 11/06/2008 10:52:40
#52 What never fails to disappoint me is how some of you would seemingly stick your head in an oven if some trumped up (no pun intended) Mr Flash came flaunting his cash and told you to.

Scotland has things Trump’s projects never have: beautiful natural and built heritage and a great long history. Trump, like all parasites, just wants to live off and exploit his host - in this case Scotland. Don't let him do it – his organisation will simply create a Disneyesque abomination of tartan tat.

Added to which his track record in business is pretty flakey and the worst case scenario is that he raises huge bank loans to build this golf course (the money never comes out of the "entrepreneur's" own pockets) builds it half way and then packs it in and flies home. While he may make a tidy profit, Aberdeen-shire will be left with nothing but the ugly unfinished ruins and probably liability for re-paying loans on a bankrupted project.
54

paulr,

edinburgh 11/06/2008 11:01:37
#1 we are supposed to take your comments and suddenly beleive Donald trump is some kind of angel?
As with the vast majority of Americans, it is a cultural thing, The bottom line is all that matters, Trump cares about profits and nothing else, the local community the wildlife and ecology of the area mean nothing to him unless he can make a profit on it.
55

MWP,

Edinburgh 11/06/2008 11:04:27
#55 - SSSI is not a European designation, it's a purely a UK one.
56

Neil,

Glasgow 11/06/2008 11:07:36
That this is an SSI seems to be the main problem (apart from Trump being rich & American) that objectors have. Yet I have never seenany objectors actually showing any knowledge of its SSiness.

Quick - what is the nature of the special scientific interest clasification & how many scientific expeditions have gone there in the last 5 years.

No looking it up on Google you enviros, but purely from your personal knowledge. On your honour.
57

RJ,

11/06/2008 11:12:38
#42: The inquiry is into "outline" permission for the whole site. Trump's people have said that this could include golf to a less damaging layout - but their boss won't consider that as an option.

http://www.aberdeenshire.gov.uk/menieinquiry/

Which doesn't seem a particularly reasonable position to take.

Trump's stance of "my great golf course is more important than your Scottish nature even if it's protected by your Scottish law" is both arrogant and insulting.

58

brownlie,

11/06/2008 11:18:07
56

I suspected you were a fool yesterday and your last paragraph confirms it.

Show us the proof that public money guarantees will be given by local or national government regarding this project.
59

Balliol II,

Dunbar 11/06/2008 11:19:10
#55 It wasn't the Scottish Exec/ Government who made the site a SSSI. However why do so many posters seem so prejudiced against protecting the dunes? Perhaps they should try to find out why they are so scheduled.
As for the criticisms of Mr Ford it seems a good idea to me to have councillors who do try to ensure that such a planning application is properly considered. He is not, as one poster said, a paid employee of the council.
The worship of Trump is terrible. This proposed housing development (with golf tacked on) is intended to be self financing so the Trump makes money out of it. It is not a benevolent act. As for his previously neglected Scottish roots - this is nauseating.
Do stop cringing.
60

RJ,

11/06/2008 11:19:37
#59: Have a look at the inquiry documents http://www.aberdeenshire.gov.uk/menieinquiry/ , which include plenty on the SSSI, including from the Trump organisation.

Their line all along has been "There's an SSSI; in fact, land outside it is just as good and the SSSI should be bigger; one of the two golf courses in our proposal will trash the SSSI; but it's such a great golf course that Scottish Ministers should simply accept the damage."

If Trump can't rearrange things on a 900 acre site to accomodate the SSSI he shouldn't be in property at all. The simple fact is he doesn't want to - which is an indiction of the respect he seems to have for Scottish laws and institutions. Very little, it would appear.
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Mikko,

Drumnadrochit 11/06/2008 11:35:04
#61 I didn't say that Aberdeenshire will be left paying off the debts I said it was "the worst case scenario" but reading what is actually written here doesn't seem to be your strong point.

After seeing so many government car crashes with anything to do with investment and big projects, your blind faith that some flash entrepreneur with a team of crack lawyers won't draw up a contract with the local authority that totally benefits the said entrepreneur is very touching but also very naive.
63

Alex, Young Laird d' Drumchapel,

Madrid 11/06/2008 11:35:18
You'll notice there's a silence now from Nicol Stephen. He knows his seat is now precariously positioned..

If you like Trump or not, if he's a businessman or not, if it's about houses or a golf-course - these criticisms are all irrelevant.

It's the plan that has to be judged, not the man. It will be judged on its merits and that's that.

All the rest is embarrassing. Narrow-minded Scottish bickering. Absolutely shameful - I really wish people would stop being envious and petty and just let the application take its course.

Obviously the press are out to get Salmond but the opposition parties are shutting up because they know that in and around Aberdeen they're under threat of annihilation.
64

dido-bendigo,

Scotland 11/06/2008 11:48:53
# 29 Buttress.

Thank goodness someone can see the obvious! The hysteria being shown by international supporters of the highly inflated ego, money can get me anything, I don't need to follow rules, I'm rich!
What is happening to common sense? How will putting a rigid regime on a naturally mobile dune system make it more natural? The man is beyond belief! Planning laws and designations are put in place for a proper purpose. He has the temerity to say that it is because of his status that he is having difficulty in getting his plans passed? Any reasonable person would do things according to the rules of law rather than set out to bulldoze a track through them! If he gets away with this, Scottish Planning Law will have to be re-written. Otherwise every application turned down will be open to appeal and compensation claims will follow, citing Trump v Scottish Executive as evidence. Can the Scottish Executive afford to pass his application? Personally, I doubt it.
65

Buttress,

11/06/2008 11:55:59
Yup. The big picture seems to have escaped so many.
66

Number 6,

Germany 11/06/2008 12:05:17
At last this issue is getting world wide coverage.
great to see Labour coming out of this smelling of dung.How petty and childish they seem . I pray this flies through and we can get on with this development. LOcals ? is Trump right when he says the site is currently being used for dumping and is in a terrible state. That really would be the icing on the cake.
67

dido-bendigo,

Scotland 11/06/2008 12:05:27
For those international commentators on this issue who have never visited the dunes in question. He really ought to be stressing the health benefits to visitors. It leaves one's skin with a lovely silky feel on a windy day! It is due to the sand-blasting it gets from grit particles. It also ruins spectacles, binoculars, telescopes and camera lenses!
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Buttress,

11/06/2008 12:08:00
The only people smelling of dung as far as I can see is Trump and his supporters, who appear to have little idea of UK law and national planning policy.

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A Crofter,

Western Isles 11/06/2008 12:08:43
Brownlie, Overton, Clarry-Loon and all other ScotNut goons:

Why don't you stop slagging off everyone with a view that does not fit in with your blinkered wallet-worshipping dogma? What sort of "nationalists" are you, determined to sell our country's natural heritage so that a greedy foreign property speculator can turn a fast buck?

Remember that golf is the best way to ruin a good walk!
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dido-bendigo,

Scotland 11/06/2008 12:15:42
#69 Number 6

I haven't visited the area for a few years. I would guess that a great deal of the rubbish (and dead birds) has been dumped there by storms bringing it in from the sea. It is a very common happening around the Scottish coastline. He states that 'they' have been cleaning the area regularly? Perhaps it would be better for him if 'they ' did a better job! If they can't keep up with it now, how will it look in the future, when the gullies are ironed out!
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Mist001,

Marseille 11/06/2008 12:16:30
#70

LOL!! That's right. I've never been to Aberdeen in my life but I've been to Gullane and sand dunes are just hills of sand and rye grass, basically an open run for their dogs (which I have nothing against).

Donald Trump isn't a philanthropist, far from it, he wants to put money in and get a return on his investment as I'm sure anybody would.

But his money will boost the economy and standing of Aberdeenshire.

Consider this: He's already put Scotland on the map, without building a single thing and turning up for a meeting yesterday when he could just have easily sent a lawyer. This story is worldwide now.

Scotland are starting to look a bit stupid.

Michael.
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Douglas Eckhart,

Edinburgh 11/06/2008 12:18:28
Yup - perhaps the enviromentalist extremists who would hold the country down as an economic basket case might want to explain why this 'sensitive site' is currently a dumping ground for all kinds of garbage and has dead seabirds lying all over it - the area is treated by locals like a dump.

Donald's development will PROTECT this site from the vandalism it currently enjoys.

Also, Scotland is trying to move on. The traditional image of Scotland is of an insular thinking 'cannae dae that' mentality where success is despised and any attempt at economic progress is shunned. We're trying to move on from that guys: The Labour-stalinist hold over Scotland is over.

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brownlie,

11/06/2008 12:21:18
65

On the contrary, reading your own posts is not your strong point.

When you said "worse case scenario" you were referring to bank loans.

You then went on the say that "Aberdeenshire will be left with ....
probably liability for repaying loans on a bankrupt project.

It is there at posting 56 for all to see.

You then go on to suggest that the LA's lawyers would be entering into some sort of contract with Trump. Trump is not building this facility in partnership with the council so your claim of liability for debts would not come into the equation.
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Buttress,

11/06/2008 12:21:24
Which shows exactly the sort of ignorance of why these particular dunes are a SSI, and why so many are opposed to their being ruined for a golf course.

The standing of Aberdeenshire? I'm delighted with those standing up against the bullying and the ignorance of Trump and his supporters.
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overton,

overton 11/06/2008 12:25:46
72 A Crofter,

Listen chum you shouldn't go around insulting the people that are paying your subsidies and you're that smug in your position that you think the money you get comes out of the sky.

Who walks on Menie like? I'll tell you - no one and they shouldn't be walking on the dunes anyway.
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GGD,

Aberdeen 11/06/2008 12:27:00
#34

Was the development not approved the week before by the local council???? So why did Martin Ford not proceed with the status quo when the vote was tied, ie he should have approved it?? He is a total numpty and an embarrassment to the local area. We have been made to look total fools at potentially turning down a huge investment for this area which will cost the local area nothing.
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brownlie,

11/06/2008 12:27:33
72 Crofter

Where in my posting did you find any reference to "nationalism".

Have a look at Lews Castle and the MacNeil's stronghold in Castlebay. Do you think that these treasures were built without disturbing the environment.

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David Harrington,

Edinburgh 11/06/2008 12:29:02
That's a new one - he was discriminated against because he is "famous". He really is as arrogant as he comes across - it just seems he won't listen and move his development a bit.
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Mikko,

Drumnadrochit 11/06/2008 12:31:15
Is this the future for Trumpty's golf course - an expensive tax-payer funded bail-out as it falls into financial collapse?

This was the Cairngorm funicular railway, which us environmentalists opposed saying it would be an expensive disaster. As usual we were proved right:

http://news.scotsman.com/entertainment/Debtridden-Cairn-Gorm-ski-centre.4099230.jp
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overton,

Balmedie 11/06/2008 12:34:15
82 Mikko,Drumnadrochit

Your Loch Ness Monster Industry is doing Ok isn't it?
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Mikko,

Drumnadrochit 11/06/2008 12:34:24
#76 I placed the whole lot under a "worst case scenario" hypothetical. I not say "this is what will happen for sure". Your ineptitude with English and puny attempts to put words in other peoples' mouths is irritating.
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Jock Wilson,

11/06/2008 12:37:24
Mikko,


If 'us environmentalists' were as accurate in their doom-mongering predictions as you claim, the world would have ended 50 years ago.

You people are catastrophists who think that there isn't a rational argument that cannot be improved by the application of hyperbole and exaggerated statistics.

No wonder we don't listen to you anymore.
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Nomada,

11/06/2008 12:39:44
Douglas #75 wants to know why this 'sensitive site' ... has dead seabirds lying all over it'.

It is easy, Douglas. The site is beside the sea. Seabirds live by the sea. Sometimes they die. When they do, they tend to lie about near the sea, as they find flying and walking a bit difficult. Wander along any bit of coast in the country and you will find dead seabirds, seals, cetaceans, and other unpleasant sights and smells.

And guess what? The seabirds will continue to die and wash up on the Menie shore even if Trumptown is built.
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brownlie,

11/06/2008 12:46:36
85

My English may be inept but I am sure that a full stop or period usually signifies the end of a sentence including the "worse case scenario" sentence.

A capital letter as in the next sentence "While ...." signifies a new sentence.

You then show your aptitude - in comparison with my ineptitude - for English in your sentence "I not say ""this is what will happen for sure"".

What you did say was "probably" not "possibly". My understanding of English leads me to believe that "probably" illustrates a likely scenario.

Your scenario clearly is not likely.
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Huntly loon,

Aberdeenshire 11/06/2008 12:52:56
There are three kinds of objectors to the Trump Project.
(1) The socialists who think if some out-of-work resident of Torry can't afford to play golf no one else should be allowed to, who is always opposed to anything that might make a profit for someone but is the first to demand companies and businesses be taxed to the limit to pay for all their welfare projects.
(2) The environmentalists who have such a pure view of the world that they would have us all living in an organic, self-sustainable, non travelling lifestyle, and that no development is allowed and that those who use cars, go to supermarkets and have to heat their homes are deluded and criminal.
(3) The anti-SNP brigade who cannot bear that there might be some investment coming to Alex Salmond's constituency, despite the fact that Trump was planning his golf resort long before the First Minister was elected in Gordon.

The residents of Aberdeenshire (at least 80% of them are ordinary, normal, everyday folk, who know that it will be good for the economy, good for the environment and good for the future. Those who are opposed know that they are out of touch with majority which is why their posts here are often the most absurd, bigotted and irrational. Thank God I hold the view of the majority.
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Mikko,

Drumnadrochit 11/06/2008 12:54:44
#87 In addition to putting your words into other peoples' mouths you now want to play at being a pedant. I am multi-tasking here (ie. doing something useful while also wasting my time replying to people like you) so the odd typo gets through. But a typo is just that, a small typo or missed word; that's a million miles different to telling other people what they themselves said and believe - you win that prize.

Since you will not accept that you are wrong I propose not to bother replying to anymore of your increasingly silly postings.
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overton,

overton 11/06/2008 12:58:42
89 Mikko,Drumnadrochit

Aw come on don't be petulant and go away.

Have you seen the Loch Ness monster today?
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Arfur,

11/06/2008 13:00:12
If the environmentalists win this fight, then you can kiss goodbye to large investments in Scotland for some time.

If they were in charge of the country we would still be a 3rd world country.
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Mikko,

Drumnadrochit 11/06/2008 13:10:25
#90 I saw Nessie this morning just as I see her every morning and she said to me, "don't leave that Scotsman forum about Trumpty's golf course. If you give an inch to those who would prostrate themselves in front of any Tom, Dick or Donald who turns up with a fat wallet (and plenty of strings attached) then we are all doomed".

So overton, I promised Nessie that I would stand by her and the rest of Scotland's natural heritage and keep putting the case against that Trumptown abomination ever being built in Aberdeenshire or anywhere else in Scotland.
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overton,

balmedie 11/06/2008 13:18:39
92 Mikko,

Well the tourists will be flooding up your way now after this most recent siting.

We here at Balmedie look forward to Mr Trump's new development and the subsequent flooding of our area with lots of tourists.
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Upandunder,

11/06/2008 13:18:47
I'm all for investment etc, but this course should be built on old industrial land, maybe in Fife.

That way, Trump would get his beloved Scottish golf course, the investment would come in, and land which was previously an eyesore (rather than an environmental treasure) would be an eyesore no longer.

We should look at what the Germans have done since the collapse of heavy industry in the Ruhr. They've reclaimed old industrial land and turned them into truly stunning urban parks, golf courses, rock venues and open-air musuems.

In addition, old blighted land in Central/Fife is closer to the population belts and a Links there would surely attract more users and more revenue.
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platy,

glasgow 11/06/2008 13:19:56
I studied ecology in Aberdeen, and recall a wonderful field trip to the dunes where we learned about the unique plants and animals living there. Looks bleak at first, but is amazing once you learn whats there. Incidentally, we saw several walkers and a school trip but no dead birds. Perhaps the huge numbers referred to have ended up there by other means!?!
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Buttress,

11/06/2008 13:20:53
The environmentalists have, of course. the legal protection of the SSI on their sides. Should that, and national planning policies, be brushed aside when it suits?
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McMillar,

Fife 11/06/2008 13:24:08
Is Nicol Stephen still in post? I'm amazed this is still rolling on. No-brainer and yes should be fully approved etc....