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Cavalier, poor judgment, no awareness – Salmond is slated over Trump resort



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Published Date:
14 March 2008
ALEX Salmond was rebuked by a Holyrood committee last night for his "cavalier" attitude to the controversial planning application by Donald Trump, the American tycoon.
But the criticism of the First Minister will lead to no further action, and represents the parliamentary equivalent of nothing more than a slight censure.

The First Minister's role in the saga of the £1 billion Trump development on the Menie estate in Aberdeenshire was investigated by Holyrood's local government committee after suggestions he had known about or had played a part in the Scottish Government's decision to call in the application.

Mr Salmond – who has always insisted he was merely fulfilling his obligations as the constituency MSP for Gordon, where the development is planned – set up a meeting between planning officials and representatives of the Trump organisation.

He also met Trump officials in Aberdeen on 3 December, the night before the application was called in.

Yesterday's report claimed that Mr Salmond had been "cavalier" and had shown "exceptionally poor judgment" at best and "a worrying lack of awareness about the consequences of his actions".

The report states: "It seems astonishing to accept the First Minister did not perceive there might be a risk in his actions, that his actions might be open to question and that, as a consequence, the decision might be open to legal action."

Duncan McNeil, the committee's convener and a Labour MSP, said: "The committee does not have a remit to consider breaches of the ministerial code, but takes the view that it was extremely unwise of the First Minister to directly facilitate a meeting between the Trump representatives and the chief planner.

"The committee also finds the decision-making processes of the cabinet secretary (John Swinney, who called in the application] on such a controversial and complex application lacking in a sufficient audit trail and consideration of the issues at hand.

" In particular, the committee has concerns over such a decision being taken in two five-minute phone calls."

The committee also recommended that the Scottish Parliament should appoint a person "independent of government" to investigate alleged breaches of the ministerial code.

However, the report's findings were undermined by the breakdown of the committee along party lines.

The three SNP MSPs on the committee refused to sign up to the critical findings, which left the committee spilt at 5-3, with opposition politicians criticising Mr Salmond and the committee's three SNP MSPs supporting him.

The Nationalist MSPs on the committee later issued statements condemning both the committee's investigation and the report.

Kenny Gibson, the committee's SNP vice-convener, claimed that months of parliamentary time had been wasted on "political tittle-tattle", while Bob Doris, another SNP MSP on the committee, said the inquiry had been nothing but a "political vendetta".

George Sorial, the Trump Organisation's managing director of international development, last night described the inquiry as a "major distraction" and said he had been "bitterly disappointed" to have had to attend.

ON COURSE FOR A COURSE

THE planning authority that rejected Donald Trump's plans for a £1 billion "golf resort" has unanimously backed a £115 million golf and housing development on green-belt land on the outskirts of Aberdeen.

The Muir Group was given permission yesterday to turn the estate of the historic Blairs Seminary in the Dee valley into a luxury hotel, golf course, equestrian centre and 280 homes. The course will be designed by local golfer Paul Lawrie.

What the committee had to say about that meeting

THE report by Holyrood's local government and communities committee included the following conclusions:

• The committee entirely accepts the right of Alex Salmond, MSP, in his constituency capacity, to meet anyone he chooses about an issue in his constituency. However, in doing so and in any follow-up action he takes, he must follow both the letter and the spirit of the ministerial code.

• The committee is of the view that it was extremely unwise of the First Minister to directly facilitate a meeting between the Trump representatives and the chief planner.

• It seems astonishing to accept the First Minister did not perceive there might be a risk in his actions, that his actions might be open to question and that, as a consequence, the decision might be open to legal action.

The committee believes that, far from taking a precautionary approach, the First Minister was cavalier in his actions and displayed, at best, exceptionally poor judgment and a worrying lack of awareness about the consequences of his actions.

(All three SNP MSPs dissented from the above paragraphs).

• The committee believes that the Code of Conduct for members gave Alex Salmond discretion as to whether or not to meet the representatives of the Trump organisation but did not require him to do so.

• The committee recommends that the Ministerial Code should be reviewed and, in particular, that the appropriateness of ministerial contact with senior officials in the context of planning applications should be examined. (The SNP MSPs dissented from this paragraph).

• The committee recommends that ministers should only take significant decisions, particularly when exercising their planning functions, on the basis of proper written advice from officials, and that officials should ensure there is a full audit trail, including full minutes of meet-ings, and assessment of the risks to impartial decision-making in the process and/or decision.

• The committee recommends that ministers intervening in the ministerial decision-making process affecting planning applications should be particularly mindful of the Ministerial Code, how particular actions might affect the perceptions of the public and whether ministerial or official action might have the potential to imperil the decision. (The SNP MSPs dissented from this paragraph).

The full article contains 959 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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Andrew Buchan,

Kincardineshire 14/03/2008 00:07:29
WHERE'S THE SLEAZE???

There's nothing here. After using how much taxpayers' money to conduct this so-called inquiry, what do we know? Nothing new. This report is just full of the opinions of a load of tumshies I'd be ashamed to have in my neepshed.

Duncan McNeil and Nicol Stephen should apologise.
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DER FUHRER,

14/03/2008 00:08:23
I believe that Alex Salmond can make this country what it once was - an Arctic region covered with ice.
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iain morrison,

Nairn 14/03/2008 00:11:34
Salmond is "slated" for not breaking the ministerial code and Bendy is "vindicated" for breaking the law.?!!? Duh.
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psycho,

edinbra 14/03/2008 00:12:13
The most significant feature of this report is the raw and crude bias displayed by the non SNP members of the committee in extrapolating political conclusions from a scrutiny exercise which found NO evidence of wrong doing by Alex Salmond.You should be ashamed and Scotland will judge you on this basis.Des McNulty gave the most unconvincing performance on BBc Scotland tonight I have seen for a very long time -surpassed in its squirming lack of integrity only by Jackie Baillie of the beady efed defence of Wendys established wrong doing
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OscarMacApfel,

Dumfries 14/03/2008 00:26:52
That Duncan MaNneill, he's so hot right now. Look at the manly lines of his jutting jaw, those eyes of a stuffed chicken and the trembling loins of a three legged giraffe. He looks as if he's capable of eating his own head.
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Socrates2,

14/03/2008 00:28:14
apologise duncan
apologise nicol
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democrate,

central Scotland 14/03/2008 00:33:45
So - a shower of windbags, numpties and apologists find that a First Minister and his colleagues have not broken the law; this is news? The real news is that Scotland has a Government which promotes and protects her interests, not theirs, and an Opposition incapable of seeing beyond petty party politics to the bigger picture.
13

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 14/03/2008 00:33:52
Is this a joke or is it just a joke? Or is it too pathetic to be a joke?

14

Sanny,

Upwey 14/03/2008 00:34:18
3 iain morrison,Nairn
"Salmond is "slated" for not breaking the ministerial code and Bendy is "vindicated" for breaking the law."
Absolutely correct!

As for Duncan McNeil and Nicol Stephen they will be made to pay at the ballot box as will the rest of the "Rogues in the Nation".
15

HZ,

Montrose 14/03/2008 00:43:01
"Yesterday's report claimed that Mr Salmond had been "cavalier" and had shown "exceptionally poor judgment" at best and "a worrying lack of awareness about the consequences of his actions"."

Did we really need this investigation to simply point out Salmond's modus operandi?
16

J J MAROONER,

14/03/2008 00:45:51
15#

Get to much of your own way and you think you can get away with anything - Thatcher, Blair, Nixon etc.
17

Teary Ennui,

14/03/2008 00:50:55
So Salmond lacks judgement, awareness, etc. Never mind. He makes the odd good wisecrack.
18

walter,

14/03/2008 00:51:58
A parliamentary committee has found that Salmond has done nothing wrong, so that is that he has done nothing wrong.
Can we now presume that this verdict will be accepted that when parliamentary committee's have found the same of other then that is also the case or does it just apply to Salmond and the SNP and all others are guilty.
19

Socrates2,

14/03/2008 00:53:23
salmond works to get a billion pounds into scotland
and this is what Labour and the Lib Dems say

the voters of the north east who know the issue inside out will punish lab -libs as will other voters

easy now for SNP
20

subrosa,

14/03/2008 00:59:44
Utter disgrace McNeil & Co. If Nicol Stephen is to save his 3 houses then it would be an idea to apologise.

As for the Hootsman's headline...
21

Furchrissake,

14/03/2008 01:00:00
It all smells a bit westminsterish. Come on Alex and the rest of the SNP, we deserve and demand upfront leadership and no sneaking around and brown envelopes as per the the labtories
22

Richard,

west lothian 14/03/2008 01:07:33
Look at the picture and caption, HAHAHAHAHA!

This excuse of a ...? Thinks Alex Salmond unwise?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Whatevah!
23

Jock Politicaljunkie,

Glasgow 14/03/2008 01:16:53
So, to focus on the facts and not the rhetoric of this report:
Alex did not break ANY law or breach ANY guideline.

Whereas we all know Wendy broke the Law several times and got off with it.

Going back to the begining of this whole Trump affair, I think it is quite clear from the quiet dumping of Martin Ford by the Libdums, that this is all their fault.

Why oh why did they ever appoint that luddite, environmentalist to such a sensitive, not to mention powerful post?!? Want to set up a Soya Farm? - Go right ahead!! A Golf Course? - Oh no, that might disturb a dozen sandunes. Yes, I know we've got thousands of them but tough.

(Oh, and by the way - I know that you can't grow soya beans in a climate like Aberdeen - it's a metaphor)
24

Dboy,

Japan 14/03/2008 01:49:36
Oh dear, headline should read, 'COMMITTEE WASTE PUBLIC TIME AND MONEY AND COMES TO CONCLUSION EVERYONE SUSPECTED IN THE FIRST PLACE - NO WRONG DOING'
The SNP must be pinching themselves on a daily basis to wonder how fortunate they are that they have such a shower of numpties as opposition. The criticisms are thinnly veiled attacks on Salmond from a political opposition still coming to terms with defeat in the election.
It's almost too good to be true, keep it up folks. Carry on like this and you'll be finished in Scotland for decades.But by then it won't make a difference as we'll be independent.
25

McGinty,

14/03/2008 04:10:43
Probably won't do any harm. Maybe help Salmond and co to be a bit more careful in future, but that can only be to his and everyone's advantage, if integrity, openness and honesty are encouraged. If these are vote winners, as they seem to be, as much as big business, does that mean that Scotland is at last throwing off the shackles of Thatcherism and putting justice before money and greed?
26

Scozzy,

14/03/2008 04:41:50
Many of the previous pro SNP at any cost commentators have obviously not read the article properly or are lacking in literacy skills:

"The committee does not have a remit to consider breaches of the ministerial code, but takes the view that it was extremely unwise of the First Minister to directly facilitate a meeting between the Trump representatives and the chief planner."
27

Boggle fey the Bog,

14/03/2008 04:48:18
Another load of peesh from the Hootsmaun.
No fault, No wrongdoing NOT GUILTY!!!!

But the Nu Labour/Owld Torie led committee thought that a £1billion inward investment plan was not of 'National Importance' and so the FM should not have intervened. They also complained about the 'lack of an Audit Trail' come on McNeil wake up man, whit the hell do Nu Labour/Owld Torie know about audit trails, other than not making them, Wendy, by her own admission, a lawbreaker, and the 'Audit Trail' covered up by lackeys, yesmen and yeswomen.

Myself I think the headline should have read ----

'Holyrood Committee, under the leadership of Failed Labour Politician Duncan McNeil today issued a 'split decision' inquiry, proving that they are just as incompetent in opposition as they were in Government --- Salmond found to be innocent, if a bit Nationalistic'
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Macuistean,

Isle of Tiree 14/03/2008 04:53:42
I just can't wait for the next election. Will there be any Labour and Liberal Democrats in the next Scottish Parliament? As for this rag of a so-called newspaper,it is fun to read the comments on line.
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 14/03/2008 06:16:50
drip drip drip....watch the SNP's credibility disappear before your very eyes. Mr Salmond can girn all he likes (and boy, does he like to girn) but this is a report from MSPs accross the political spectrum - they've had a look at his actions and he's been found wanting.
Yadda yadda from the nats. Mr Salmond got a slap for acting the big man. He deserved it, deal with it. Quit yer constant girning, it's really demeaning and it shames the country.
30

Pilrig.,

Livingston 14/03/2008 06:17:32
3- exactly !
31

Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 14/03/2008 06:23:01
Salmong should distance himself from Trump as well as Tehran. Has the man no sense?
32

McNasty,

Edinburgh 14/03/2008 06:35:56
Has anyone ever seen Duncan McNeil without an ugly sneer on his face?

We need an election now to clear the air.







33

haggis 10,

The Capital City of Scotland "NOT FOR" OF!!!!!! 14/03/2008 06:38:23
#3 Good one Whats good for the Goose is also good for the Gander! Next issue?
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overton,

balmedie 14/03/2008 06:55:30
'The committee also recommended that the Scottish Parliament should appoint a person "independent of government" to investigate alleged breaches of the ministerial code.'

If the Goverment sanctions such an investigation they really need to review their position.
This embarrassing pantomime has gone on long enough and any added timewasting instigated by the likes of Mc Neill or the incoherent and bigoted red faced ('I know nothing about the project') bag that was mouthing off on Newsnight last night should be immediately kicked into touch.

I cringe when I think of the situation that the politicians of this country have landed us in.
35

Suomi,

Salo,Finland 14/03/2008 07:04:01
Watching the Hollyrood committee handling of the Trump application from abroad was fascinating.The impession given was that some people were more interested in pinning something on Alec Salmond than discovering the truth.The investigation looked like an interrogation or a trial.One MSP continually asked long winded qiestions,often 2-3 questions together,often rhetorical(since answers were suggested).Witnesses were given "put downs" or were critised in a very intimidating manner and answers were often ignored since they were clearly not the answers that certain committee members wanted to hear.I also noticed that the Liberals had seconded an MSP who was a lawyer,onto the committee during the TRUMP enquiry.What was their motive for attaching someone who did not normally serve on that committee?

There are always tensions around environment or jobs in planning applications and it is proper that this one was investigated.However,there is a need develop standards for the conduct of commmittee members.They need to remember that these days anyone around the world can observe them at work.No longer can they (in secret) follow party political interests. In particular,the interrogation of the Trump representative creates a very unfavourable view among the business and international community.He was not on trial,although he must have felt like that sometimes.I was ashamed about the narrowness projected to the international community from Scotland.The Trump employee pointed out that he had recieved a warmer reception at the Storment parliament.That makes it look worse when you hear that he was offered greater respect and warmth,elswhere.

It was obvious that there was no sleeze and that Alec Salmond did not seek to influence directly any planning decision.He deserves an apology from those who accussed him of those things.More importantly,I hope that the Scottish parliament can learn lessons from this case.I suggest that:

1)Ethical standards are developed to guide committ
36

Rickie,

14/03/2008 07:07:23
#36 I agree totally - I wouldn't buy a used anything from that face, let alone take his word that letting a US billionaire setup shop in, possibly, the highest earning tourism section of Scotland and sending all that lovely money back home is a good thing.
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Richard Taylor,

Aberdeen 14/03/2008 07:11:45
Party political nonsense.

The fishing expedition found nothing, so let's slate Salmond anyway, for trying to do the best for Scotland.

Labour-led political hogwash.

Duncan McNeil, "chair"man for the lynch mob - err I mean Committee, has just given a hesitant, stammering performance on Good Morning Scotland.

Biased - no, sir.
Fishing - no, sir.

B*LL*CKS!!!
38

Richard Taylor,

Aberdeen 14/03/2008 07:14:55
#33

So depsite all the sleaze, incompetence, unionist pap of the past 8yrs, you would STILL vote for a unionist party???

The unionist parties are the ones taking Scotland DOWN!!
39

Rev. S. Campbell,

Bath 14/03/2008 07:24:05
#33 Most of the other Unionist drones have had the good sense to stay away from these threads, because there's really no way for a Unionist to comment on them without making an idiot of themselves. You might be advised to follow the same course.

Salmond broke NO laws.

Salmond broke NO rules.

Wendy Alexander broke both, yet the headlines are of her being cleared and Salmond being "slated". The story proves three things:

1. The honesty and propriety of the First Minister.

2. The desperation of Labour and the Lib Dems to score some political points, even if it costs Scotland billions of pounds in investment.

3. The shameful, flagrant bias of the media.

These facts are obvious to all. Even attempting to insinuate otherwise just makes you appear a fool. If you must pursue your outdated agenda, you should probably pick fights where you have at least half a chance.
40

haggis 10,

Edinburgh 14/03/2008 07:26:07
Conclusion The Right Hon W.Alexander MSP (Bucephallus to her Peers Auld NAG to others.) Promontion to HM Prisons Inspectorate .Time off for Criminal behaviour, Committee.
The Right Hon Alex Salmond MSP. MP. Cllr. Incarceration in the deepest, damp cold, dungeons,of Edinburgh Castle a Crime against the State that of Honesty, Integrity, a Henious crime not to be Tolerated in any form whatsoever Bread and Water only, 20 years without release a fitting punishment !!!
41

Roy,

14/03/2008 07:31:41
The picture says it all - a little man having his 40 minutes of fame.
42

steve 1511,

aberdeen 14/03/2008 07:33:44
cavalier a good word to describe alec,a gentelman ,gallant.as for the likes of the labour and the libs they should hang their heads in shame for trying to smear a man who is only trying to do the best for the people of scotland,but labour have no shame a party tainted with the smell of corruption at every level
43

donald,

glasgow 14/03/2008 07:34:29
What further action could possibly be taken on thickos opinions?

Had there been any substantial sleaze evidence, as in Labour numptiness, we all know what the Crown Prosecutions decision would have been.
44

Edith,

Aberdeen 14/03/2008 07:38:05
Trump and his mob want to build a TOWN full of executive houses. Who are all these executives? The golf course is a sweetener and a red herring. Of course there should be a government inquiry. Anyway, anyone who LIVES here and KNOWS the place ie does not live in China, knows we suffer COLD weather , summer and winter, especially on the coast, where a phenomenon known as the Haar comes in - very thick dense fog rolling over sea and land. The average temperature on a good day is 15C. Nobody looking for a decent golfing holiday would come here except to sit in the hotel. But the executives would have their mega posh houses and to hell with the homes desperately needed for young folk in this expensvive part of the world. Entrpreneur, yes. Philanthropist,no. He is not the "good guy" you think he is. Martin Ford was quite right to be suspicious. More, much more, needs to be out in the open.
45

brownlie,

glasgow 14/03/2008 07:44:02
33 Grahamski,
Good morning,

Did you notice the statement in the last paragraph of how particular actions might affect the perceptions of the public. I wonder what perception they have of the Scottish Labour Party Leader.
46

Very Rev Ian Paisley,

14/03/2008 07:57:54
Brits out and golf clubs in
47

overton,

Balmedie 14/03/2008 08:09:17
49 Edith,Aberdeen

Have to disagree with you I'm afraid - the majority of people up here are desperate for this project to proceed post haste and are dismayed at the antics of the likes of Martin Ford and Nicol Stephen because all they have done is embarrass the country.
If there are houses associated with the development then good because we need more houses and at least these will be planned as a village rather than planted as dormitories next to every village in the area. Presumably you are happy about the massive housing estate being developed on the beautiful moorland at Portlethen just now or does that not involve a personality that you have presumtiously decided to slate even although you don't know the man?
48

Scotland to prosper...,

14/03/2008 08:16:18
#49

What a load of tosh you speak. You don't work for VisitScotland do you?

Your description of Aberdeenshire sounds like its coming from someone not originally from that area. I’ll lived and worked in this area all my life and know the majority of people are in favour of the project.

As for your description concerning the weather, you make it sound like the artic. There can be days during the summer months that would be likened to somewhere in the Balerics. True there can be the odd day of rough and ready weather but that’s the appeal!

You’re obviously not a golfer either. Scotland is the home of golf you muppet and such is one of the few places EVERY golfer wants to visit.

It’s been well highlighted but the fact that Bendy Wendy can break the law and get away with it, while Alex is “slated” for trying to LEGALLY entice business to Scotland is farcical. How much more efficient would Scotland be if the Westminster element were removed from Scottish politics?


49

Gdgy,

14/03/2008 08:17:25
"Yesterday's report claimed that Mr Salmond had been "cavalier" and had shown "exceptionally poor judgment" at best and "a worrying lack of awareness about the consequences of his actions".

Salmond has been found out - incapable of letting his other numtpies do anything - wether because they are dense as mince or Salmond thinks they are! - he crashes in and "sorts it out"....

IS he doing the best for Scotland?????
Smear/sleaze - well we wait until the real story comes out...........

50

Auld Twa,

Edinburgh 14/03/2008 08:17:38
#40 Suomi, Salo, Finland
Relatives in Australia and Canada watched the committee meetings on the internet and were puzzled as to what was going on.
The general questions were "Where did you find that lot ?", "Are they speaking Scots ?" and "How did they get elected ?"
51

Bob Christie,

Fiefdom of Broon 14/03/2008 08:20:16
#3

Well said.

This is typical Scotsman bias in extremis!
52

Linda,

Edinburgh 14/03/2008 08:22:41
Inquiry was a politically motivated waste of money.
No sleaze and no breaking of rules or ministerial codes.

I would rather have Cavalier First Minister than a Round Head Duncan McNeill in charge of anything.

These petty people now want to remove Alex Salmond's pension - not that would worry him as could get a much better paid job anywhere. Unlike Duncan McNeill.
53

morris,

edinburgh 14/03/2008 08:25:24
Salmond is guilty as charged of acting in the best interests of his country ,and constituents,keeping this alive,despite it being otherwise terminally ill from an open wound inflicted by Nicolarse Stephen.
Furthermore,he has brought the name of politics and Scotland into repute.How dare he do this!
The next thing you know he will be wanting to help OAPS and poor people.
Get this man OUT before he shows what he can do ,if he really gets going.
We demand the right to be subserviant stupid and gullible.

Altogether now:
Rule Brittania ,Britannia waves the rules
54

OscarMacApfel,

Dumfries 14/03/2008 08:25:26
Linda, you're being incredibly unfair to Duncan MacNeill, I'm sure he's got a great future in the rough trade spectrum of the older rent boy market. He's so spankable.
55

jdships,

14/03/2008 08:30:01
Putting politics to one side what bothers me reading the posts above is :-
This Committe was put in place by the "Scottish Government" to carry out enquiries in to possible problems re the "Ministerial Code"
This they have done democratically with a 5 to 3 vote.
Why now are many posters prepared to deny that democratic vote ?.
As I said above forget politics , this is the democratic process at work .
For the record I personally do not agree with the findings but am not happy about "mob rule" endeavouring to change it .
We must accept the democratic process or the purpose of having a parliament is fatally damaged
56

JimC,

Kilmarnock 14/03/2008 08:35:30
Salmond is "slated" for not breaking the ministerial code and Bendy is "vindicated" for breaking the law.?!!? Duh.

That about sums the whole thing up nicely.
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Carlung,

14/03/2008 08:36:16
Doen't the "Scotsman' just love this?
To quote from the report:

As noted in above (para 238) the Committee has no power and does not intend to judge whether of not any Minister is in breach of the Ministerial Code or Code of Conduct for MSPs. The Committee notes the efforts made by Mr Salmond to ensure all stakeholders were clear that he was acting as Constituency MSP for Gordon and not as First Minister. The Committee notes that stakeholders have made it clear they were aware that Mr Salmond was acting as Constituency MSP for Gordon and not as First Minister at all times.

So, Alex Salmond is guilty of acting for the benefit of Scotland. Resign now!!!!
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McMillar,

London 14/03/2008 08:41:07
There are always some of the old style thinkers lurking to pull you back into a world of admin and non-delivery. Salmond was right to move with speed and save the situation. We need more of this from all parties as the approach going forward need to be much more agile.
59

morris,

edinburgh 14/03/2008 08:46:53
60 jdships,14/03/2008 08:30:01

We have accepted it.
We are not trying to change it.
We are just concious of the fact that this was born to run parrallel to WENDYGATE and an attempt to deflect attention form the fact that she WAS GUILTY.
Labours tactic whenever they are guilty of anything is get in as fast as possible,before if possible ,and accuse everybody else of what they themselves are guilty of. They have been doing it for as long as they have been in existence.

We are not suggesting that the enquiry should not have gone ahead, (because we never feared the outcome).Again this is an attempt to justify having held the enquiry in the first place, and nobody has been fooled by it, apart from the numpties who presumably think Wendy has been exhonerated also.
Salmond has been given the stiffest possible sentence that one can give to someone who acted within the rules as the elected memeber for the seat !
This attempts to suggest that he acted innapropriately as First Minister, WRONG!
If he had not intervened he would have been accused of negligence as the elected member and we all know it.
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Jock 107,

14/03/2008 08:47:21
If it looks like a duck, smells like a duck, and quacks like a duck, chances are it's a duck.

The enquiry should have chased the money. I wonder who got the brown paper bags, or will they arrive after approval?
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Alasdair,

14/03/2008 08:50:55
You really have to love this paper.

#3, iain morrison, you could not have put that better if you tried. Hats off to you, sir.
To repeat:
"Salmond is "slated" for not breaking the ministerial code and Bendy is "vindicated" for breaking the law.?!!? Duh."

In fact, everyone should simply repeat that as their post. Maybe something will filter though the cloud of malignant bias that surrouns Hootsmon towers.
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Carlung,

14/03/2008 08:51:17
If it looks like a duck, smells like a duck, and quacks like a duck, chances are it's a duck. Absolutely spot on, Jock 107!

Duncan McNeil looks exactely like a DUCK
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Edith,

Aberdeen 14/03/2008 08:53:18
I am 55 years old. Born in Aberdeen, left for 2 years in the 70's to live in Easter Ross. Since then have always lived in Aberdeen. I am a graduate of Aberdeen University (from the days when you needed a brain to get a degree) I have my own opinions and am polite to other people, unlike the rude folk here who think (do they actually think?) they can say anything they like to anyone who disagrees with them. Let me rude, too,then, i think all this support for Trump is misinformed and quite frankly shows the greedy side of the Scots. (and one only needs to read widely to know what he is like); why is it necessary for ME to have met him and not you? I never met Hitler - does that mean he was a good man? The earth does NOT belong to humans and it s presumptious to hink it does.
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Carlung,

haddington 14/03/2008 08:56:24
Good idea, so to repeat:
"Salmond is "slated" for not breaking the ministerial code and Bendy is "vindicated" for breaking the law.?!!? Duh."
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Edith,

Aberdeen 14/03/2008 08:58:32
Just because the "vast majority" supports something does not make it right. Lemmings!
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Melly,

West Sussex 14/03/2008 09:03:35
No evidence of wrongdoing NONE !! Do we get a apology from Nicol and Annabel and the entire SLabour dolts ? We need a bit more cavalier spirit in Scotland and less unionists sitting on their hands thinking of ways to feather their own nests
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Edith,

Aberdeen 14/03/2008 09:04:30
No mention I notice -have all"experts"in the world been informed? - of Paul Lawrie's magnificent golf course to be in a much better climated part of Scotland -Deeside. In the 19th century, Redcar, a large holiday town was built on the coast of Yorkshire. A beautiful part of the country. It completely failed because of the Haar. Haar comes in virually every day in the summer. We get FAR MORE bad days with low temperatures than fine and any native of Aberdeenshire who thinks otherwise is living in a cloud (no doubt a Haar 0ne)
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Linda,

Edinburgh 14/03/2008 09:05:17
Edith

I am not as old as you and never went to University but whether one likes Trump or not is irrelevant.

This was /is the largest inward investment opportunity to that part of Scotland and its only because Aberdeenshire Council couldn't handle it properly that Alex Salmond felt he had to intervene.

Scotland is the home of Golf and we can't afford to
ignore the tourism potential this project offers.

I am not saying the proposal must be approved but it should not be dumped just because we don't like rich egotists or because local council wasn't up to the job.
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Scotland to prosper...,

14/03/2008 09:06:37
# 68 – It is you who are showing the wrong side of the Scots

Unwilling to progress, fearful of change. It surprises me you still live in the Aberdeenshire area considering how you spoke so lowly of its climate.

You’ve revealed that your arguments are based on environmental issues “the earth does not belong to humans” Was it a greenpeace degree you studied for?

The fact is rolling sand dunes and tufts of grass do not produce jobs and economic prosperity. If we are to be serious contenders in this modern global climate, we have to work to our strengths, offering quality experiences and goods. I’m afraid the days of being an industrial powerhouse are all but gone thanks to the might of China and the like. I’m not saying we should turn Scotland into a millionaires playground but we have to maximise the performance of what we have to offer.

Your comment about how you went to uni in the days when “you needed a brain” also shows your attitude to the young people of Scotland. Thanks very much for being so confident in them.

You really need to get with the times, stop with the pessimistic outlook and start promoting your country.
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geriatric swampi,

14/03/2008 09:09:51
Martin Ford did nothing wrong in all this .Itwas a vicious local media led campaign that got him the sack.Anyone with agrain of common sense and a basic knowledge of voting procedures in councils knows this. Yet the villification continues.
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morris,

edinburgh 14/03/2008 09:11:14
Can I put this in simple language so that even single brain cell life forms can understand it.

When you are an MP and become a minister( in Scotlands case FIRST MINISTER),you become BOTH.

You CANNOT become neither!You can only be BOTH.
YOu also cannot cease to be either unless there is a replacement .
Its based upon a principle called 1 plus 1 equals 2
Perhaps that is too advanced for you?

IT SAYS THEY ARE SATISFIED THAT HE ACTED AT ALL TIMES AS THE ELECTED MEMBER !

What part of its all nonsense do you not understand ?

ALL OF IT APPARENTLY
SALMOND IS GUILTY OF SOD ALL!
IT SAYS SO IN ITS FINDINGS !
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morris,

edinburgh 14/03/2008 09:14:54
68 Edith,Aberdeen 14/03/2008 08:53:18


98% of Aberdeenshire does NOT agree with you
The PRESS and JOURNAL do not agree with you
YOu are entitled to an opinion,but the findings of the enquiry dont agree with you either!
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overton,

balmedie 14/03/2008 09:15:13
68 Edith,Aberdeen

Hitler managed to manipulate a country into his ownership using a small but aggressive and vocal minority - you and your eco-fascist friends seek to do the same here.

What is this Paul Lawrie's OK but Donald Trump is not OK?
You don't know either and yet you still presume.
Not exactly the kind of argument one would expect from a so-called graduate.
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Jock 107,

14/03/2008 09:16:26
#76

Hi Fido.

He may have acted as an erected member, but I'm not sure I agree that he's guilty of sodomy, as you suggest.
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Goggsy,

South Torry 14/03/2008 09:16:36
The biggest joke in this so-called inquiry was the conclusion that Aberdeenshire Council acted correctly in this whole episode.

They haven't provided a shred of evidence to demonstrate wrongdoing by Salmond, whose intervention probably kept Trump from disappearing across the Irish Sea in the first place.

This was nothing more than a political witch hunt.
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Edith,

Aberdeen 14/03/2008 09:24:28
I worked for many years in a comprehensive school. I know the young folk are intelligent, but they are not EDUCATED. They do not get anything like the education I got at the Girls' High. You have been shortchanged by successive governments and don't even know it.Young folk get a very raw deal. You are astute, I do not like Aberdeen, least of all the climate. It gives me horrendous rheumatism. Family circumstances involving a great deal of ill health on the part of my deaf and dumb mother whom I would go to the end of the earth for if that would help her forced me to live here.I am not in the least a pessimistic person -quite the opposite!!! But to say folk here are dour is an understatement Give me a Glaswegian with a sense of humour any day. I'd rather have warm Glaswegians and their warm rain than most(but not all)Aberdonians
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morris,

edinburgh 14/03/2008 09:24:33
79 Jock 107,14/03/2008 09:16:26

SHOWING YOUR INTELLECTUL PROWESS AGAIN I SEE.
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Am Balach,

Isle of Skye 14/03/2008 09:26:10
Edith

You complain about posters being rude then disparage all the young peple of Scotland currently studying at university. You demonstarte two things: 1. You are extremely rude yourself. 2. You are prejudice, sentimenal and ill-educated.
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Clive Hamblin,

Sussex. 14/03/2008 09:27:22
Congratualtions Edith! The rantings by other posters amply demonstrate the weakness of their argument.

So the little man wants to suck up to Trump just because he's a billionaire.

Well, let him.

Just don't let Trump come and make a midden of our country just because he want to make money; the only interest Trump has in Scotland is what he can take out of it.

# 78 Overton.

Following your example; I don't know you - but I can draw my own conclusions by your last patetic three lines.
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overton,

Balmedie 14/03/2008 09:27:54
80 Goggsy,South Torry

Well, Aberdeenshire Council did act correctly by sacking Martin Ford - but they made a complete botch of the procedures prior to the justified sacking.
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Jock Politicaljunkie,

Glasgow 14/03/2008 09:28:06
#60, jdships. "Putting politics to one side"?!?

That was exactly the PROBLEM with Duncan McNeil, he did not put politics to one side. His report finds no breach of ANY Law or ANY Guidline - but to listen to the rhetoric, you would think Salmond was about to be carted off to jail!

So, to focus on the facts and NOT the rhetoric of this report:
Alex did not break ANY law or breach ANY guideline.

Whereas we all know Wendy broke the Law several times and got off with it.

Going back to the begining of this whole Trump affair, I think it is quite clear from the quiet dumping of Martin Ford by the Libdums, that this is all their fault.

Why oh why did they ever appoint that luddite, environmentalist to such a sensitive, not to mention powerful post?!? Want to set up a Soya Farm? - Go right ahead!! A Golf Course? - Oh no, that might disturb a dozen sandunes. Yes, I know we've got thousands of them but tough.

(Oh, and by the way - I know that you can't grow soya beans in a climate like Aberdeen - it's a metaphor)
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Am Balach,

Isle of Skye 14/03/2008 09:29:43
Edith

You say you worked at a comprehensive school and you know the young people are intelligent but not educated. That is surely not a coincidence.
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Edith,

Aberdeen 14/03/2008 09:30:03
I am going round to see my mum now. It's been fun. My degree was in English literature, History and Philosophy. So You see I love a good argument. Most of ths stuff here (but not all) is laughable as debate. NB"Green" issues were not university courses in 1970-73. Any spelling errors due to my not being a typist. By the way, the enquiry hasn't happened yet!
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Melly,

West Sussex. 14/03/2008 09:30:33
81 Edith

Well there you go then, it`s you poor mother`s fault ? I think you really do need to get a life.
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Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 14/03/2008 09:34:52
NO he wasnt rebuked by the committee. Hamish that is a blatent LIE!!!
He was rebuked along party politcal lines not by the whole committee!!!!! only the members of the opposition parties rebuked him but then what else were we to expect??? this whole farce has been diversion away from the real corruption and illegal activity of the oppostion parties and their criminal party funding activities.
MacDonnell yer a disgrace to journalism and youve also lied about yer title yer not a journalist yer a party political hack!!
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Edith,

Aberdeen 14/03/2008 09:35:39
I was a librarian, not a teacher, and fought as hard as I could for the kids. The teaching staff were hidebound by all the new improved methods that came out regularly and at my age, I have to laugh at NEW methods which were thrown out years ago. And now I really must go. I have been vastly amused, thank you all for the fun.
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brownlie,

Glasgow 14/03/2008 09:39:37
54 Gadgy and 65 Jock
Either back up your insinuations of sleaze and brown paper envelopes with facts or withdraw them. If you have any evidence to support your baseless allegations put them out for public scrutiny and don't hide behind the anonymity afforded by the internet. I dare you to either put up or shut up!!! or should that be How dare you?
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John south of Soutra,

14/03/2008 09:39:40
As someone else has said it will serve us right if Trump took his project ot Ireland or somewhere else where the country is open for business. We are full of windbags who are only interested in their own self importance and want to score political points against each other.
I notice that nothing was said about wee Jack travelling over to New Yourk to meet with Trump at the start of this project.
It's about time this country grew up and got itself into the 21st Century, I'm sure the Chinese and the Indians would turn away this type of project
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

14/03/2008 09:40:40
90. Now is it not time the parliamentary standards committee called on Wendy et al to explain all their law breaking?

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Edith,

Aberdeen 14/03/2008 09:41:18
81 You have really hurt me. Mum is now dying of terminal cancer, with weeks to live She has no one but me to fight her case. And you obviously have not an inkling of the difficulties and prejudice against profoundly deaf people for whom I have fought all my life. This has been my cause.I LOVE my mother very much and would never have abandoned her to an "army of carers" as one of my cousins, working full-time puts it about her own mum. The world really has turned into a cold place when someone who WANTS to help her family is accused of being selfish.
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

14/03/2008 09:43:03
59. I think he would be in arears, Oscar.
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morris,

edinburgh 14/03/2008 09:43:14
80 Goggsy,South Torry 14/03/2008 09:16:36

Precisely so.
The enquiry has concluded that Salmond acted" at all times as the elected member",which is what he claimed from day 1.
You have to be either mega thick or mega desperate to not realise that he can do this till the COWS COME HOME!


They have in fact proved that Salmond was correct and everybody else was wrong!
The point surely though is that since he was both MP and FM (and clearly he could do this), no enquiry should have been called, to conclude what even the village idiot should know before hand,by virtue of the fact that its possible to do so.
It was an attempt to suggest sleaze to help deflect heat from Wendy Alexander.IT'S OBVIOUS !
It was designed for consumption by those stupid enough to believe there is anything here to answer,and help Wendy who is guilty and evidently so, not least of all the fact that she SHE ADMITTED IT.

You do not admit to wrong doing when there is none !
You do however protest your innocence where you clearly are!

Salmond is guilty only of being a politician worthy of election. Thats their real problem They cannot touch him collectively never mind as individuals.


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The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

14/03/2008 09:43:38
I see the quality of posting on this site have not improved.

The one lesson from all of this is that any minister (Labour, Nat or any other party) not only has to have all dealings above board but to be SEEN to have all dealings above board. The notion that somehow one can seperate one's duty as an MSP from one's duty as a minister is nonsense. Labour ministers have tried the same before and I don't think many of us believed them.

I suspect that privately Alex Salmond would agree and will make sure that such a situation does not happen again. Better to have full transpaarceny and honesty than be accused of being sleekit like another government we know!!