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Business leaders unite behind Trump golf plans



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Published Date: 10 August 2008
Business leaders joined together today as they urged the Scottish Government to give the go-ahead to US billionaire Donald Trump's plans for a golf resort.
They claimed the £1 billion development was a "once in a lifetime opportunity" for Scotland.

And they urged ministers to make a swift decision on the plans.

The business leaders argued that with the economy struggling in the wake of the credit
crunch, the Trump development could create much needed jobs and also boost both the construction and tourism industries.

The Scottish Chambers of Commerce (SCC), Confederation of British Industry (CBI), Scottish Council for Development and Industry (SCDI), the Federation of Small Businesses (FSB) and the Institute of Directors (IoD) have all united to back the American tycoon's proposals.

Mr Trump hopes to build a resort, featuring two championship golf courses, a five star hotel, 950 holiday homes and 500 private houses at a site north of Aberdeen.

The planning application was called in by the Scottish Government last year after an Aberdeenshire Council committee rejected it.

And there has now been a four-week long public inquiry into Mr Trump's plans for the Menie Estate in Aberdeenshire.

Environmental groups have opposed the plans, due to Mr Trump's insistence on building part of a course on delicate sand dunes.

But SCC chief executive Liz Cameron said the economic impact of the development far outweighed environmental concerns.

"We have a once-in-a-lifetime inward investment opportunity which we must grasp with open arms," she said.

"With declining business and consumer confidence having a material effect on our economy, growth rates are becoming dangerously shallow and our economy needs every boost it can get at the moment.

"We are urging the Government to make the right decision and to make it swiftly."

David Lonsdale, assistant director for the CBI in Scotland also urged ministers to make a quick decision on the project, arguing that granting the development the green light "would be a timely shot in the arm for the Scots economy".

Ian Armstrong, the SCDI manager for the north-east of Scotland, argued the Trump development would attract visitors from across the world to the area.

He went on: "The proposal has the support of the local people, local business and the local council, now we need the support of the Scottish Government."

Moira Gash, the FSB regional chair for north-east Scotland, claimed the resort would have "many economic benefits".

And David Watt, executive director of IoD Scotland, argued in the current economic climate it was vital "to be positive and seize the opportunities when they appear".

He said: "Scotland's future significantly depends on developments such as this and it should be warmly welcomed by politicians and the general public as well as the business community.

"Right now, no one should need any more convincing of the overwhelming economic case."




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  • Last Updated: 10 August 2008 2:03 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Donald Trump
 
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10/08/2008 15:04:36
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2

Jock Wilson,

10/08/2008 15:08:24
And no doubt environmentalists and eco-warriors will react to this piece of news by stating that they are against the Trump Plan. "It's their job to do that."

Dog bites man.
3

dido-bendigo,

Scotland 10/08/2008 15:14:56
There's a lot of investment money resting on this, isn't there Liz? The environment can take a hike! Why should Scotland and the SNP care about such minor matters as 'The Environment'?
4

Saltireblue,

In Reality: 10/08/2008 16:03:21
Look you Negative Nabobs,while I personally don't like the cut of Donald Trump's cloth, he does build beautiful developments. Dare I say even tasteful developments.

The effects on the environment will be minimal; the effects on the economy will be hugely beneficial. That's a fact!!!!

So, cut the chat and let's go!

BTW, on US TV on Friday, Trump was asked which coast this golf course was going to be built on...east or west? Trump responded, the west coast, more or less...." Not good Donald...not good!
5

Sky Blue,

Aberdeenshire 10/08/2008 16:04:39
Stewart Milne is paying people off, houses aren't selling, folk are choosing not to fly, large golf courses in Scotland are struggling to keep going! It's a bit like the Emperor's New Clothes, lots of us can see that the only beneficiary of this resort will be the Donald, and he will take his money and run - houses will be Stewart Milnes problem, hotel Stewart Spences problem, golf course will be franchised under Trump banner. Scottish businesses should not be greedy - there will be precious little in it for them or for Scotland. Why oh why can't they see that? We've got here something that is rare in the world and we should not be selling it off to a three-times bankrupt New Yorker!
6

Richard Taylor,

Aberdeen 10/08/2008 16:19:39
The case is overwhelming. Let's get it built!! But you all knew I'd say that! ;o)
7

Jock Wilson,

10/08/2008 16:47:09
5

Sky Blue,

I do not wish to be personal but it is view like yours that have driven thousands of enterprising Scots to emigrate.

Incidentally,you forgot to include the prospect of a large meteorite coming our way in 2020 in your Rev I. M Jolly state-of-the-nation address.
8

Buttress,

10/08/2008 16:53:29
Beautiful developments? This one is Disney pastiche! Slated by A +DS!

The inquiry has been, the results are awaited, where were these people then?
9

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 10/08/2008 18:20:03


"Not every bird can follow the vulture to perch in the market place."
10

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 10/08/2008 18:21:18

"Business leaders unite behind Trump golf plans"

Of-Course they will!
11

mobocaster,

Aberdeen 10/08/2008 18:37:02
How about this?

Another non-story about the scheme in an attempt to keep the thing in the news until the decision is announced?
12

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 10/08/2008 18:40:35

mobocaster ~11,

'Yep' and the vultures are closing in! ££$$££$$££$$
13

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 10/08/2008 18:41:46

doesn't matter who or what is destroyed.
14

harvey05,

On a Beach near Aberdeen 10/08/2008 21:20:18
Does anybody know of a good hotel nearby?
I'm b...dy freezin'.
15

Buchan Wifie,

10/08/2008 21:23:42
Have any of these Aberdeen business folk googled Trump's financial history?

Obviously not - they're way too busy reiterating the high-octane corporate promotion - "a once-in-a-lifetime-golden-opportunity-for-great-economic-benefit-to-Scotland..." Aye, right!

The idea of tourists flocking to Scotland to visit the latest mini-America is daft.




16

Jock Wilson,

10/08/2008 22:44:01
15

Golf Tourism is worth upwards of £300m to Scotland. They already flock here.

As a wifie from Buchan, you would not see too many of these tourists as they do not come to the north east. Maybe that is about to change however.
17

mobocaster,

Aberdeen 10/08/2008 23:09:15
Golf income is also a small fraction of the Scottish tourism total of what, around £4.5 billion.

To put it in better perspective, golf brings in a wee bit more than deerstalking & grouse shooting put together - So at best, a minority specialist interest. Compare that to the £2.5 billion estimated spend from those with a desire to visit in our undeveloped wild land.

Golf income has also been falling for some years now, from its peak around 2000/01, despite a tenfold increase in Exec spending in the last decade to support it. One of the fears expressed by parts of the industry is that large corporate schemes of Trump's ilk are a big part of the problem & the struggling of even famous courses like Turnberry, the hotel at Carnoustie or the new scheme at St Andrews Bay suggests there may well be something in that?

Anyway, this scheme is not really about golf is it? The housing seems to be a more pressing concern.
18

Jock Wilson,

10/08/2008 23:29:09
£400m is a substantial figure in anybody's book, whether or not it is a small fraction of a larger total. Then there are spin-offs that are largely hidden but significant nevertheless.

Your £2.5 billion estimate seems specious. Just where do they spend their money in such an undeveloped land? Certainly not up here in the Highlands where I live. Visitors come but do not spend money as there are very few outlets for their spending. We have plenty of undeveloped land up here. We are also the area that was poor enough to qualify for Objective One European Funding status: so much for the £2.5 billion.

But why pitch the two against each other as you seem determined to do? Neither the Menie are nor the vast stretch of dunes all the way up the Buchan coast attract visitors in any meaningful numbers. So a golf course would not affect matters any.

Your Either/OR argument is a canard.

19

Buchan Wifie,

11/08/2008 00:05:55
18
"Then there are spin-offs that are largely hidden but significant nevertheless"

Do you mean the increase in Aberdeenshire Council Tax to cover the massive infrastructure of a new town? The poor people will have to pay for the privilege of losing their beach.

Do you mean the world looking at Scotland as a place where elderly ladies are kicked out of their homes so some greedy businessmen can make a fast buck?

If these Business Leaders are so clever why havn't they been promoting tourism in the North East?
20

Buchan Wifie,

11/08/2008 00:07:59
16
So - I'm guessing the Trump/Butlins Holiday Camp will take a good £100 million out of our home grown golf clubs and our Scottish owned hotels, every year.

Even worse, it will take a big chunk out of the integrity of our judicial system.
"You're an American millionaire? Don't worry about our rules and regulations - they're just for the dumb locals."

Great example for our youth.
21

Buchan Wifie,

11/08/2008 00:42:25
and, after more than thirty years of God knows how many tri-billions of inward investment by the oil companies in Aberdeenshire, the lives of the people in towns like Fraserburgh have not improved one jot. Why is that? Because the same "business leaders" have been soaking up all the dosh and have put nothing back into the communities but the exhaust from their fancy cars.
22

mobocaster,

Aberdeen 11/08/2008 01:12:47
Jock - Either way, if my figures are specious, so are yours. They undoubtedly come from the same small group of official/trade body sources.

The raw figures remain - around 49% of our surveyed visitors come here for the unspoiled lands, whilst only about 4% state golf as a major reason.

I'll agree that the wilder spend is more difficult to pin down, more thinly spread, less easy & less attractive for the entrepreneur to prepack, manage & control.

All that says to me is that our own industriousness needs to be supported in a manner fitting each area, instead of rushing after wild promises of easy money from elsewhere.

If you read Trump's own statement, you will see that the second course at least will impinge directly on an area visited by a very substantial number of people a year - In the 6-figures IIRC? It is too late for me go start wading through the application again tonight.

The golf is only the driver for housing - That is how WATG (Trump's Architects) put it in their seminars & I don't doubt that Trump & his cronies here see it exactly the same way.
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mobocaster,

Aberdeen 11/08/2008 01:16:03
Jock - As for spin-offs, yes I agree there may be the chance of some but the most obvious & largest from Trump's scheme would very largely be accounted outside the UK & apart from the a small portion maybe returning via licencing fees, they would remain completely irrelevant to Scotland & its economy.
24

mobocaster,

Aberdeen 11/08/2008 01:24:21
#20 - Buchan Wifie.

Yes, a good point. Maybe the CBI Scotland & the other prominent members of the business community should get their own houses in order first.

Their repeated demands for a population/workforce at their mercy & subsidised by the state, whilst they themselves pay reduced taxes under a greatly reduced evasion enforcement regime, does not sit well with any concept of responsible management & stewardship that I'm aware of.

I would have thought that a free market type like Trump would want nothing to to do with the support of these dreadful socialistic subsidy types?
25

TM,

LA, USA 11/08/2008 04:06:44
This last week Donald Trump was on the David Letterman Show. Dave asked Trump about this golf course development and then told Trump he already has enough money and asked if he really loves Scotland so much, why doesn't he just donate this land and turn it into a park for the Scottish people. He had to ask the question three times because Trump wouldn't even bother answering. You could see the Dollar signs in Trumps eyes....
26

overton,

balmedie 11/08/2008 06:55:39
17 mobocaster,Aberdeen

I agree that there is potential for marketing Scotland's wild land but unfortunately Menie seems to hold no interest for visitors and quite frankly no one goes there although people do pass up and down the beach from Balmedie to Newburgh.

Best thing for Menie, Balmedie, Aberdeen and Aberdeenshire is Mr Trump's golf, hotel and housing development.
27

Jock Wilson,

11/08/2008 09:43:06
Mobocaster

You write,

"The raw figures remain - around 49% of our surveyed visitors come here for the unspoiled lands, whilst only about 4% state golf as a major reason."

Interesting, but irrelevant to this argument. 4% is a considerable amount in real terms. But again, I would aver that in the case of this particular part of Scotland there is not a conflict between the two types of tourism. Tourists do not go to the North East, despite its miles and miles of unspoilt dunes: you would not be developing golf at the expense of the undeveloped areas you so advocate.

The established pattern of tourism does not entirely support your argument either. The majority of foreign tourists visit Britain, rather than just Scotland. The go to London, Bath, Your and Edinburgh mainly. On average they extend their reach to the Highlands for a period of one or two days on average.

The chilling statistic is that the vast majority never return to the Highlands.
28

Jock Wilson,

11/08/2008 09:53:13
21,

Buchan Wifie,

Your splendid Trotskyite rant deserves a longer reply but I will pick you up on one comment only.

Fraserburgh is a reminder of what will happen to the North East when oil and fishing finally decline.

The Broch went from being a prosperous town to an area of egregious social and economic problems - drug taking, criminality, countless shops boarded up; closed hotels - and now an entire housing estate torn down in a desperate attempt to regenerate the northern part of the town.

It all happened in a disastrous ten year period when oil activity stalled and fishing nose-dived. Your analysis could not be more wrong.

The North East economy needs diversification: not another mindless rant against the iniquities of the capitalist system.
29

ptdoug,

11/08/2008 10:44:42
Charles Linskaill,Edinburgh 10/08/2008 18:20:03


"Not every bird can follow the vulture to perch in the market place."


You're actualy Eric Cantona....aren't you?
30

ptdoug,

11/08/2008 10:45:06
Wondered where you'd got to.
31

dido-bendigo,

Scotland 11/08/2008 11:00:32
The 'Telegraph' has this story in today's edition. All the good reasons for backing the plan through statements from the business people. Impressive photograph of Trump. Brief mention of objections. NO COMMENTS SECTION! I wonder which member of the 'brotherhood to help their fellow man' got that printed?
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Buchan Wifie,

11/08/2008 20:05:59
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If so much is riding on this golf resort, then I dread to think what will happen to Scotland if tourism takes a nose-dive. We already have dozens (hundreds?) of golf-courses. Another newer, bigger, better one is not diversification.
In the Real World what we can't afford to lose is another acre of arable land.

The proposed development threatens to cover a large area of prime farmland in concrete. Buchan used to be known as the granary of the north, and with a bit of support from the business community we could be feeding half of Scotland through these uncertain times to come, and not be waiting for our next meal to be delivered to us by foreigners.

Our fishing industry would still be thriving if government had heeded environmental advice 40 years ago. Please point to a town in Scotland that does not have a drug problem, Mr. Wilson. "Boarded up shops" in the Broch are most likely a result of the big looming Tesco.

Our North Eastern forefathers "navigated small boats by oar and sail to the Hebrides, Shetland and Greenland, with nothing but the sextant set with the noonday sun and the stars to guide them at night."
These days may be long gone but the bravery, strength and ingenuity of our people remains intact.

A new University, with an emphasis on innovative technology, would be more suited to the natural intelligence of the area than tending another tourist trap.

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Buchan Wifie,

11/08/2008 20:55:15
My previous comment was, of course, in reference to 28 (not 8)

I remain totally unconvinced that the Menie Estate development will be of any real economic benefit to Scotland.

34

Blue Tooner,

Aberdeenshire 11/08/2008 21:43:36
#32 "A new University, with an emphasis on innovative technology would be more suited to the natural intelligence of the area than tending another tourist trap."

Totally agree Buchan Wifie. The days of oil income are coming to an end. OK, there's still some out there but it's getting too costly to bring that harvest home. Time to get something new happening here. A new Techno Uni sounds like a great idea. Brilliant!
35

Jhookley,

12/08/2008 03:23:46
Mobocaster - out there with your nonsense again. I do admire your tenacity though - the one crusader against this scheme who makes himself known on every blog. Do you really believe that "ecotourism" generates anything for us? Who should a reasonable person believe- five business organisations that represent thousands - or you, an internet fool hiding behind a false name. What is your plan for the economic future of our nation? Your ilk contribute nothing to mankind but spew forth jealous venom about protecting the "environment" - less than 10 % of that SSSI is even touched - in exchange for the benefits, its a no brainer and every thinking mind in Scotland agrees. The area needs another hotel, more housing, diversification of business and a global ambassador. Get over it Mobocaster, you lost this one.

NOTE TO SKY BLUE - Trump was never bankrupt. One of his entities, Trump Entertainment Resort, filed for a reorg once- a very common move in the States. Do the research and get your facts straight before you graduate from Uni and enter the real world you shiny eyed fool.
36

mobocaster,

Aberdeen 12/08/2008 12:06:18
Hookley - Usual rot from you then. Contempt & arrogance will get you everywhere. :-)

Like it or not, any one of us is entitled to hold or express our opinion either way.

As for Tourism, look at the record. Start with the various reports to Hollyrood to get an idea of what visitors spend their money on. Golf is only a small part of the story.

This area needs nothing that Trump has to offer - All of it has been considered in a less damaging & more equitably distributed form in other plans.

In case you missed them, various parts of the Trump web have been troubled more than once. eg:

1990 - Loans defaulted and ownership of Trump Shuttle passed to creditor banks.
1991 - Declared business insolvency & filed for personal bankruptcy protection.
1992 - Trump Plaza Hotel declared bankruptcy.
2004 - Trump Hotels & Casino restructured.
2008, June 19th to be precisce - Trump Tower Tampa developers filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy. (right mess of squabbling self-interest there, no?).

Never mind all the other instances of title &/or holdings being reduced, relinquished or disposed-of at a loss to appease major creditors.

Not just the one company of course but all part of the Trump business orbit - Please don't try to kid us that Trump Org does not sit at its very centre. We have seen a corporate structure in action before.

Which is all just business - fine. Go & do it where it will not irrevocably change even the tiniest portion of our more sensitive landscapes. You still have plenty to play with.

37

Jhookley,

14/08/2008 20:41:25
Mobocaster - in response to 36, wrong again sir, wrong:

1992 - Trump Shuttle merged into US Air
1991 - Never declared insolvent/never filed bankruptcy. All loans with banks reorged and went public with his casinos to raise capital.
1995 - Trump Plaza Hotel sold to Arabs for $325,000,000
Yes, the Casinos were reorged - very common
Trump Tower Tampa was a license deal.

Why not list his dozens of successfull projects?

Do your homework and stop wasting our time and making a fool of yourself.

38

mobocaster,

Aberdeen 14/08/2008 23:58:20

Well Hookley, here are two news stories relating to his Chapter 11 filings & I think I can dig-up a link to the actual doc for at least one of them if you really want? Of course you may still claim you are right because it is actually signed in someone else's name. Presumably the exec in charge of finance?

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9403E3DD1E3CF933A2575BC0A9629C8B63

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/03/31/national/main609576.shtml

As for the rest, you are simply listing the outcomes that ended the problem periods, whilst ignoring the causes. No good.

Yes, I've noticed how many of his successful projects are or have become licence deals, where Trump Org has little to do with the running - Too many to be a coincidence IMO.

 

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