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'You amazing man' - Trump lauds Salmond, but is he a friend First Minister could do without?



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Published Date: 24 January 2008
MOST politicians would swell with pride to hear themselves being lauded to the skies by someone as famous and influential as Donald Trump.
But yesterday Alex Salmond could have been forgiven for cursing the American entrepreneur as he praised the First Minister as an "amazing man".

In politics, as in comedy, timing is everything. Mr Salmond was just finishing his preparations to face an exacting Holyrood committee when the interview with Mr Trump was broadcast on BBC Radio Scotland at 8:15am yesterday.

Mr Salmond was determined to put across the message that he did everything "by the book" in his dealings with Mr Trump's planned Aberdeenshire golf development and that there was nothing improper in his relations with Mr Trump or his organisation.

Then, just 15 minutes before his evidence session, Mr Trump declared publicly that Mr Salmond was "an amazing man", and a credit to his country.

It was the sort of endorsement that Mr Salmond could really have done without.

As David McLetchie, a Tory MSP and member of the committee that questioned Mr Salmond yesterday, said: "With friends like that, who needs enemies?"

He added: "When Mr Salmond was about to face a grilling by a Scottish Parliament committee about his perceived closeness to Donald Trump, the last thing he needed was for Trump to indulge in an Salmond ego-massaging exercise."

Mr Trump is planning a £1 billion golf and housing development on the Menie Estate in Aberdeenshire, in Mr Salmond's constituency of Gordon.

The development was agreed, then refused by committees at Aberdeenshire Council, a confusing situation that prompted John Swinney, the finance secretary, to "call in" the development, giving the Scottish Government the final say on the proposed project.

Mr Salmond's role has been under intense scrutiny since it emerged that he had arranged a meeting between the developers and the Scottish Government's chief planner, which took place the day before Mr Swinney's decision to call in the development.

However, the First Minister has insisted – and did so again yesterday – that he has always acted as a constituency MSP, not a government minister, in his dealings with the Trump organisation.

Yesterday, Mr Trump had the opportunity to explain his side of the story.

Speaking on BBC Scotland, the property tycoon said: "I hardly know Alex Salmond, but what I do know is that he is an amazing man. He is a person that believes strongly in Scotland and wants economic development in Scotland. But Alex Salmond and I have virtually never even talked about this job."

Asked if he had been given any assurances by Mr Salmond or any advisers that the project would be delivered, Mr Trump said: "Absolutely not – we never even discussed that.

"All we talked about was Scotland – and what he wants is good for Scotland."

And Mr Trump added: "It's inconceivable – but it's possible that Alex Salmond won't want the project."

Mr Salmond then faced the local government and communities committee for the second time in a week to explain his role in the development and he was adamant that he had followed the rules to the letter.

The First Minister said he had arranged the meeting between the Trump organisation and the chief planner because that was his role as a constituency MSP.

"I was acting in a way that I had confirmed that I was able to and could do," he said, adding: "I would hope that any MSP under these circumstances would take similar action."

EYES TURN TO NORTHERN IRELAND SITES
DONALD Trump is sending his top adviser to Northern Ireland to look at potential sites for his dream £1 billion golf course.

George Sorial, Mr Trump's managing director for international development, will today visit four locations identified as possible venues for the complex, originally planned for Aberdeenshire. It is understood he will also attend a dinner hosted by Ian Paisley jnr, the son of the Stormont First Minister.

One of the sites is believed to be at Runkerry, near Bushmills in County Antrim.

Ian Paisley snr met Mr Trump in New York in December and the two discussed the possibility of building the course in Northern Ireland.


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  • Last Updated: 24 January 2008 12:27 AM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Donald Trump
 
1

Conan the Librarian™,

24/01/2008 00:25:54
Oh Hamish, can you spin, or what?
A complement turned into the kiss of death.
Will Jack Whatshisname ever be questioned about hiring helicopters for Trump?
2

Van (not white) Diesel,

Amsterdam & Augsburg 24/01/2008 00:38:07
Aside from the political points scoring, can anyone please explain to me how a six storey (I think - basis last time I looked at the Trump web site) hotel will merge into the landscape? If it does so successfully, Mr. Trump should immediately be despatched to Area 51 and wise up the boffins there to the true meaning of stealth technology.
3

Van (not white) Diesel,

Amsterdam & Augsburg 24/01/2008 00:48:28
Re #2 - sorry, 7 storeys, plus a machine gun post on the top. Have just had another look at:
http://trumpgolfscotland.com/development_plans/development_hotel_entry.asp
4

COLINTON.MAINS,

Oakville Ontario 24/01/2008 00:49:59
HE.IS.PLAYING.WITH.YOU.GUYS.BE.CAREFULL.HE.IS.A.CON
5

Conan the Librarian™,

24/01/2008 01:00:19
2
There shall be a large piece of carefully groomed camouflage placed on the top. It won't fool anybody but Donald.
6

Conan the Librarian™,

24/01/2008 01:06:50
5
Aw...come on AM2,a quote by an American citizen talking about wanting to make more money?
To him Unions are the enemy.

HeHe.
7

Van (not white) Diesel,

Amsterdam & Augsburg 24/01/2008 01:08:57
#6 C the L
.... and would this syrup, sorry camouflage, be of like colour?
Perhaps it should have green streaks in it, as well.
8

Van (not white) Diesel,

Amsterdam & Augsburg 24/01/2008 01:28:32
The pit calls. G'night all.
9

GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta, CA..captured from Mexico 1845 24/01/2008 01:34:39
Trump a fellow American, cares about one thing. Profit $$$$ and nothing else..

Had he been given the OK to build a miniature concrete jungle in Scotland, which would employ minimum wage workers, and probably the new immigrants, not Scottish . He would be ecstatic.

But if the business did not make a profit, he would dump it quicker than a New York Second. And move on to his next project.

That has been the name of his game from the get-go.

Not even his wives mean much to him . He is also a wife dumper, no profit in them, until the next young one comes along.

GC

10

Richardinho,

24/01/2008 02:30:28
I feel a bit sorry for Trump (yes!)-I doubt if until recently at least, he'd given a second thought to Scottish politics, yet now because of circumstances, his attempt to bring a multi-million pound investment to Scotland has become viewed as a 'nationalist shibboleth', and as such the Labour and lib parties feel duty bound to attack it with all their might regardless of what harm that might do to Scotland.
11

Bob10,

24/01/2008 04:35:58
4. COLINTON.MAINS

Have you ever read or heard of the Alice Beacon Computer Typing Course?
12

Stuart505,

24/01/2008 05:27:43
Shome mishtake shurely, Mavis Beacon, no?
13

donald,

glasgow 24/01/2008 06:19:34
When the First Minster was accused by a Labour numpty of using the First Ministerial Car, he was reminded that Union Jack McConnell used a helicopter to meet Mr Trump.

The Unionist Alliance is so desperate for a "sleaze" SNP fit up that the Unionist Media Alliance is helping them hide Labour's Electoral Commission's absence from commissioning.
14

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24/01/2008 07:12:14
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15

Jimmy the Pie,

24/01/2008 07:48:36
I notice we can watch video clips (see above). Can we see Wendy's triumphant appearance at FMQ last week?
16

Concerned local,

Edinburgh 24/01/2008 07:49:46
What about the billionaire entrepreneur Richard Branson sharing a plane with the prime Minister and having privileged access to our Maggie Broon, while at the same time tendering for the Northern Rock against other bidders? Hmmmm...what rules are getting broken there, I wonder????????
17

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24/01/2008 07:55:00
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18

Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 24/01/2008 08:13:59
I see the Angry Brigade Division of the Tartan Taleban has been busy above: shooting the messenger rather than dealing with the message. I doubt that with friends like Trump and the TT, Fat Ecky needs further enemies.
19

Boswall,

24/01/2008 08:14:23
If you like him so much Mr Trump then you can have him!

Sincerely - the People of Scotland.
20

BIG EYE,

Paisley 24/01/2008 08:16:01
Oh Good another story on the recycled non story about Alex Salmond and the Trump Development.

My understandng si that alex Salmond met some Trump officials in a hotel in Aberdeen to discuss a development that is entirely financed by private money. He has already explained in fullest detail that he was there as the constituency MSP and operated within the rules at all times.

Meantime another Scotish MO, who doubles as the Prime Minister spent several days touring China and India with a mega millionaire in tow and then, within twenty fours of being back in Britain annoucing the use of 25 Billion pounds of TAXPAYERS money to sweeten the Northern Rock salvage package?

And which one of these events does the Scotsman think is a story?
21

paulr,

edinburgh 24/01/2008 08:43:08
Northern Ireland is a wonderfull location for Trumps golf club
22

bluehead,

edinburgh 24/01/2008 09:05:07
I am sorry now that I voted for SNP perhaps alex salmond is too clever for his own good.
I have a feeling that there are people who will be sorry they ever heard of this trumps guy,
the only person I have any respect for is the chairman who lost his job over this affair,as for the rest of this 'carry on up the golf course'there is a strange odour
23

The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

24/01/2008 09:25:13
Pass the sick bag.

Whilst publicly welcoming the statement suspect that in private Alex and the SNP wishes Trump would shut up. The statement makes it look like he's been done a favour (not that he necessarily has) - I wish he'd left well alone and let the Scottish Parliament Local Government Committee do their job.

Perhaps he thought he was being helpful but I think it has the exact opposite effect.
24

Ananurhing,

24/01/2008 09:25:39
5# & 9# AM2

Are you not the first to chide others for seeing paranoic conspiracies round every corner? So Trump is now colluding with Salmond to bring an end to the Union? You could be right. Maybe Trump simply misunderstood the usage of the word.
Trumpton has put the new Scotland in the shop window to the world. Salmond was quite right to get involved.
We either deal with it like a forward thinking emergant nation, with a strong leader at the helm, or a bunch of third rate north western frontier self destructive aborigines. It would seem that many would prefer the latter.
Trump has no political allegiances. The man's a reptile. Albeit a billionaire reptile.
25

Calum10,

24/01/2008 09:34:02
This is just the Unionist media going for the man and not the ball. Yesterday it was the BBC, today and every day it is the Hootsmon.

There is not a shred of evidence of wrong doing by Alex Salmond and government officials. The allegations of sleaze, impropriety and improper behaviour have been shown to be competely false.

But, that is not the point. The belief so closely held by Scottish political journalists, and editors, like Hamish MacDonell is that if you can throw enough mud at Alex Salmond some of it is bound to stick.


26

HEN BROON 5,

ALBA GU BRATH. 24/01/2008 09:44:39
Once again Alex Salmond emerges on the political stage as a shining light in Scotland, I have no doubt he will continue to trounce his nay sayers, and the bitter and twisted committee of ridicule spite and malevolence that the enquiry into this affair has become. When you see it and you listen to the questions and the inquistors, you wonder how these people ever got to the position they are in.
Duncan McNeil, was there ever seen a more malevolent political dwarf than this one. His every gesture and nuance reeks of bitterness and denial, he obviously sees him self as the Liebour hard man who will sort out this upstart who has dared to park his tanks on Liebours lawn. His performance in the chamber is pure knuckle dragging farce.
And then we have McNeil in a skirt, Johann Lamont. Former teacher and former chair of the Labour Party in Scotland.One of the worst examples of Labour's 'females' of the species. What an embarrassment she must be for her gender.
And predictably bringing up the rear we have little boy lost,laughing boy Steven, the moron who dared to try and smear Alex with sleaze only to have his own sleazy antics made public regarding the Aberdeen bypass.
Political pygmies. And then we have:
SALMOND OUTPOLLS BLAIR IN POLITICAL AWARDS

Wednesday 23 January 2008 ­ For Immediate Release

Attn: NEWS DESKS
POLITICAL CORRESPONDENTS

SALMOND MOST INSPIRING INDIVIDUAL POLITICIAN OF THE DECADE ­ CHANNEL 4
POLITICAL AWARDS

BLAIR'S NEMESIS DEFEATS FORMER PM IN POLL

First Minister of Scotland and Scottish National Party leader Alex
Salmond has been voted third overall in the "Most Inspiring Political
Personality of the Last Decade" award in the Channel 4 Political
Awards this evening [Wednesday], and is the most popular individual
politician. The Award was voted for by Channel 4 News viewers.

NUFF SAID

ALBA GU BRATH.
27

gus1940,

Edinburgh 24/01/2008 09:45:24
#20

Good point.

Northern Rock HQ is in Newcastle.

Last time I looked Gordon Brown was a Fife MP not a Newcastle one.
28

Logie Almond,

24/01/2008 09:57:46
As Burns might have put it:

Bought and sold for Yankee gold
What a parel of rogues in a nation.
29

walter,

24/01/2008 10:06:58
The First Minister said he had arranged the meeting between the Trump organisation and the chief planner because that was his role as a constituency MSP.
"I was acting in a way that I had confirmed that I was able to and could do," he said, adding: "I would hope that any MSP under these circumstances would take similar action."
So do we all Mr Salmond we just wonder if any other constituency MSP could arrange that meeting in the same time scale.

30

Rasco,

Inverness 24/01/2008 10:16:27
Trump Statement.As of today my company is pulling out of any developement of the Meanie estate and going to Northern Ireland where we feel we are wanted. I don't want my company to be used in anyway for a witch hunt on any person and that seems to be the case.The estate will be put on the open market for sale and moneys received will go into the northern Ireland site.All forms of the media and certain parties will have to explain to the people of the northeast and Scotland about there stance. Donald Trump.This is just a thought of mine but it could happen and I for one will not be surprised.
31

G,

dndy 24/01/2008 10:31:39
Trump knows that it was Alec that done it for him - so why do we need an enquiry???
32

Sprauncy,

Aberdeenshire - the place to be. 24/01/2008 10:32:35

Keep on signing - we will win the day:
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/TrumpSupport/
33

An English Voice™,

24/01/2008 10:51:31
If someone was pulling strings to make me a few hundred million dollars, I'd say he was an "amazing man" too!

Have just re-read Trump's comments.....pass the bucket again , I think I'm about to....QUICK!....
34

subrosa,

24/01/2008 10:54:08
# 30 AM2

Could you use your cut and paste skills to identify the clarity and openness given to one or two of the Glasgow area's larger planning applications in the past 8 years? What about one where the Jersey millionaire was involved for starters?

I would have thought that you could at least congratulate Mr Salmond and Mr Swinney for their professionalism and dignity at that farce called a Committee yesterday. What a pathetic show it was from the Committee members who were hell bent on finding a word out of place. Also the gross behaviour of the chairman bringing an Aviemore planning application into the questioning. He well knew this was against the rules and agenda but did it just the same. Despicable and dishonest. I shall be complaining to the Parliament about this as it breaks every Committee rule and is entirely unjust. There was the matter of course of their inability to even keep to a simple time schedule........ Just a total farce.
35

Doh,

24/01/2008 11:02:34


I only hope that Alex can get a good job within the Trump organisation after he has served the people of Scotland for the next 100 years.

We are lucky that Trump wants to pour $1,000,000,000
into North East it is simply an economic miracle on a par with Carnoustie.
36

AJM,

24/01/2008 11:05:24
This another in a long line of Donald Trump quotes this one on politicians "One of the key problems today is that politics is such a disgrace, good people don't go into government."

Generally he treats local politicians with disdain and tries hard to bypass local planning regulations, his attempt to build at Jones Beach Long Island has echos of what is happening here. One Official is quoted of describing state officials as they "got blinded by his hairdo and celebrity status and handed Mr. Trump a sweetheart deal that will shortchange local municipalities about $1 million and indulge the wealthy"
37

Tormod,

Auld Reekie 24/01/2008 11:10:51
No 36. Can you show me where a development of this scale ran into the same problems?? Any development of this nature will have involved the local MSP, no matter who would be in power the local MSP would call the Chief planner.
38

AJM,

24/01/2008 11:11:21
#42 Doh Trump is pouring in money so he can make even more money not for some welfare activity, he will be making sure that as little leaks out from his purse as is possible. He will promise that it will be millions, but some prefer to be wary, not blindly tag along to his shirt sleeves, like the SNP are doing and Labour before them.
39

Calum10,

24/01/2008 11:23:03
This is just the Unionist media going for the man and not the ball. Yesterday it was the BBC, today and every day it is the Hootsmon.

There is not a shred of evidence of wrong doing by Alex Salmond and government officials. The allegations of sleaze, impropriety and improper behaviour have been shown to be competely false.

But, that is not the point. The belief so closely held by Scottish political journalists, and editors, like Hamish MacDonell is that if you can throw enough mud at Alex Salmond some of it is bound to stick.
40

ex-labour,

24/01/2008 11:36:19
It's one helluva backscratch. Alex Salmond is an extremely clever and capable politician. He knows what he's doing when he cosies up to people like Trump. Just sit back and watch him get his fingers burnt (or his ego).
41

Alfie Bett,

24/01/2008 11:37:22
Let me get this straight here is a global business man Donald Trump willing to invest $2billion plus into Scotland and he states his admiration for the First minister's ongoing efforts to get the best for Scotland and then we get statements like this;
"As David McLetchie, a Tory MSP and member of the committee that questioned Mr Salmond yesterday, said: "With friends like that, who needs enemies?"
We must presume that McLetchie equates flattering remarks from Trump as he would from Al Capone or Adolf Hitler,he comes out with this crap yet this same man and the rest of the unionist comedians on this joke committee supposedly want this same man's billions invested in Scotland!
With Scotland having friends like the unionists,who needs enemies!
If at the end of the day Scotland loses this development make no mistake the Scottish people will see it as entirely the blame of these inept malicious unionist fools.
42

AJM,

24/01/2008 11:40:50
#46 Calum10
How can you quibble when he has been described as being an "amazing man" by such a great business man, surely the headline can only do him good.
I think that it would be fair to say that Trump could have been more diplomatic with his words. But that is not his way, however "the enemy" I hope are his words not something he has picked up from some of his new chums.
43

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 24/01/2008 11:42:23
Why is the headline purporting to be a quote when it is nothing of the sort?
44

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 24/01/2008 11:46:17
#32 AM2 Pure speculation on your part and I suspect your conclusions are politically motivated. Trump may have always had Nationalist leanings and may also genuinely care about Scotland. Your are simply taking the cynical view because it suits your anti-SNP mantra.
45

Doh,

24/01/2008 11:47:50
#45 AJM

I was trying to be sarcastic.
I dont believe the Trump investment amounts to $1 billion. I dont beleive it will be an economic miracle just as Carnoustie is not exactly a success.

I am sure that Trump will make money from selling the houses. The golf courses will be lucky to break even and will never repay their capital costs.

Trump has played the NE like a fiddle they are all dancing to his tune.

46

Number 6,

Germany 24/01/2008 11:54:36
The "Parlimentarian of the year" is an amazing man and is a credit to his country. So why the controvesy over the fact that Trump said it?. Apart from his incredible wealth , what is it exactly that so many scots have against him ?.

It can't all be the politics of envy and inverted snobbery , can it ?.

Why is he supposed to be so dodgy, what's he done wrong
that moves some people to say we should have turned down this investment.?

Any concrete, sensible answers ?.
47

walter,

24/01/2008 11:54:43
#44
I do not dispute that any development of this magnitude would involve the local MSP, I only asked if any other local MSP would be able to call the chief planner on an evening and then a meeting take place with in hours of that call between the developers and the chief planner.
48

Miss H,

24/01/2008 12:12:59
Walter you can phone the chief planner. Anyone can. He is a public servant and has an office which anyone can contact.
49

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24/01/2008 12:18:27
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50

Rasco,

24/01/2008 12:32:02
Off Topic Just heard about Peter Hain are we going to get a story about Wendy now Scotsman
51

mr chips,

24/01/2008 12:33:05
Hain resigns. lol.
Labour sleaze and corruption party are in free fall.
Jump wendy jump. lol
52

The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

24/01/2008 12:37:58
"48 Alfie Bett,24/01/2008 11:37:22

Let me get this straight here is a global business man Donald Trump willing to invest $2billion"

I am going to be a pedant here.

Firstly the current value of the project is quoted as £1 billion.

However, the actual investment won't be anything like £1 billion - £1 billion will be the market value of the golf course and the 450 houses in the gated community that he is building.

The cost of building the project will be a lot less than £1 billion.
53

Resolutions,

24/01/2008 12:41:55
It was unnecessary for The Donald to pass any comment at all. That could be and should be construed as interfering in another country's affairs.

However, this is one of the biggest proposals to come the way of Scotland for a long time and as such is of national importance. However, the suitability of the development for the site chosen comes down to local knowledge and without the SSSI this is a dune area which Trump himself says is very expensive to develop. He obviously has aspirations to be Canute as with rising sealevels(obvious in the Med and the Giant's Causeway getting twitchy) cannot but wonder if he really is up in environmental matters as he claims to be.The North Sea will not be immune to the process of rising sea levels and will outlast The Trump and all of us! A development of that size on this site is dubious. Golf courses yes; hotel maybe but appropriate for the site which the thing proposed is not; holiday homes and housing NO.
Hopefully the call-in will look very closely at the physical conditions of the site as well as the economic side to this and really see just how beneficial it is.
As far as I can see, the committee are intent on a witch/wizard hunt instead of focussing on really analysing this proposal bit by bit as well checking the dubious financing record of the Trump.
54

Banana Heid,

Ayrshire 24/01/2008 12:44:51
#57 The Scotsman are not quite so on the ball. we will get the Hain Story tomorrow accompanied by a stringent attack on Alex salmond to throw the scent off Wendy again...
55

SeriouslyAmused,

Ayr 24/01/2008 13:10:28
I honestly think the development looks amazing. The buildings are classic and of the type Scotland suits - just because a building is prominent doesn't mean it imposes badly. If these are of stone construction and are as Scottish baroninal as they look, you can bet people will come just to look at them. Look at the castles and lovely hotels that grace Scotland, we need more of this kind of thing.

Just my tuppeny worth, I don't give a damn for the politics or personalities fest.
56

 Ayrshire Scot™,

24/01/2008 13:11:04
"You amazing sleaze-bucket" electoral commission says to Labour cabinet minister....
57

 Ayrshire Scot™,

24/01/2008 13:11:38
61 - Hain story out now.... he stepped down to "clear his name" - Wendy could see no point in that obviously...
58

Alfie Bett,

24/01/2008 13:12:15
#59 The Federalist said

"I am going to be a pedant here.

Firstly the current value of the project is quoted as £1 billion."

In my first post I quoted"$2billion"as in US dollars and the value to the local economy will be very substantial and on going.
59

walter,

24/01/2008 13:17:14
#55
I do not dispute that either although I do not know if you are correct or not.
All I asked was can any local MSP call the chief planner on an evening while in a meeting with representatives of a development and the chief planner meet with those representatives with in hours of that call being made.
60

Neil,

Glasgow 24/01/2008 14:04:04
Salmond will get a certain amount of short term stick from the usual objectors over Trump's praise.

In the long term it is clearly in the interest of scotland that we have leaders who at least tend towards economic sanity.
61

HEN BROON 5,

24/01/2008 14:17:36
56 ,24/01/2008 12:18:27
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Please Oh Omnipotent and Gracious Censor in The Forbidden City, when you remove a post would it not be fair and wonderfull to avail your self of the facility so thoughfuly provided to give the reason for it's removal. Surely this would in turn lead to everyone being able to raise the standards of these posts. So in the interest of fairness and tranparency can you tell me why it was necessary to remove this?

The ayes have it the ayes have it!



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Closing Date: 09 Mar 08 | Creator: Jeff Roberts | Status: live | Number of Signatories: 14489








Petition to: back SNH and stop Donald Trump from building a golf course in Aberdeenshire ...
...the undersigned petition the Prime Minister to back SNH and stop Donald Trump from building a golf course in Aberdeenshire that will damage a SSSI and one of...

Closing Date: 01 Mar 08 | Creator: Cathy Lewis | Status: live | Number of Signatories: 7922






WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM?
62

Moffat,

NC, USA 24/01/2008 14:33:32
Lordy, Lordy, Lordy....I warned you all! Those of us that signed the petition be very, very cautious. As #11 said he is $$$$$ motivated.

Congrats to Northern Ireland...but haven't they had their share of problems...why more with his arrival?And tell me now - what is he 'family' background drawing him to NI? What a lame excuse for a businessman.

Yep! he WILL drop any project like a New York minute if he cannot fill spots with low wagers and high profits for HIM.

Good luck, once again....watching from across the pond.
63

The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

24/01/2008 14:50:48
#65 You miss my point - it is not £1 billion (or $2 billion) of INVESTMENT - the actual capital input will be substantially smaller. The VALUE of the final development may be worth £1 billion but that is an entirely different thing.

A £1 billion is not going to enter the Scottish economy but the coffers of D Trump Esq.
64

The Master,

24/01/2008 14:59:52
“An amazing man!”: thank you, the Donald: this is going to haunt dear leader for some time to come, take it from me! In this connection, a friend of mine (who is pretty well non political) emailed me the BBC story this morning and wrote “not the kind of publicity the FM needs”. The Master has his ear to the ground and has a definite feeling that this is going to be a difficult year for dear leader.

“He is a person that believes strongly in Scotland and wants economic development in Scotland. But Alex Salmond and I have virtually never even talked about this job."

I notice that he stops just short of endorsing Alex’s independence policy (which is supposed to be his party’s very raison d’etre, for heaven’s sake!) However, in true Bird and Fortune satirical style, he drops the “amazing man” right in it by his use of the word “virtually”!

"All we talked about was Scotland – and what he wants is good for Scotland."

That explains the “amazing” then: Alex’s independence agenda must seem truly “amazing” to an American tycoon, just as it has always seemed to me!

“And Mr Trump added: "It's inconceivable – but it's possible that Alex Salmond won't want the project."

Well done, the Donald: this is the coup de grace for poor old Alex! Who now thinks that the application will be rejected? Didn’t I say only yesterday that this whole affair was really beginning to stink? Well, now that stink has just multiplied several times: in fact, this rotten piece of meat that Alex is trying to hide behind the couch is starting to putrefy.
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Geomac 1,

Kinross 24/01/2008 15:04:01
Salmond and Trump truly deserve one another - both shysters!!
66

Resolutions,

24/01/2008 15:09:15
# 72
It is conceivable that the project which some admire, will prove unsuitable for the location in the form proposed!

Alex Salmond would be silly to forward a project which is being looked at by a committee/panel who will report openly on what their conclusions are. Besides, is it not John Swinney who will have to present the report of the committee - who hopefully are specalists and know more and can access mor info than is in the public domain.
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Sanny,

Glasgow 24/01/2008 15:38:32
18 Scottish and proud
Your link to the Courier gives a balanced report on this story without the spin of the Scotsman. It also shows that AS behaved impeccably in acting as the constituency MP. Any further questioning of the FM on this matter is simply vindictive.

Why don't the "investigative" journalists turn their attention to a more worth cause; like Wendy and the sleaze ridden New Labour Party.
68

Doh,

24/01/2008 15:41:24
#53

The controversy surrounding Trump is well deserved.

Please remember that every other developer and development prior to Trump has been willing to engage in the planning process and indeed appeal - usually after negotiation with the local planning officers to address concerns raised on the first application.

Salmond has only had to step in as Trump's poodle becuase Trump himself has behaved in a high handed manner. Trump is the real villan in this story.

It seems to be the choice has been given carte blanche to developers or ensuring that all planning applications are treated equally regardless of the wealth and influence of the applicant. Some hope.

One rule for the rich and another for the poor.
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The Master,

24/01/2008 15:45:55
#74 Resolutions: but we live in the real world! Trump knows as well as everyone else that Alex is the big man and that his popularity with the public at large has led to a situation where his influence and position within his party is unassailable (I thought of “doing a Trump” here by qualifying “unassailable” with the adjective “virtually”, but we all know what that would mean, don’t we!) Don’t give me all the usual spin about how the independently(?) minded Swinney will be taking the decision after taking expert advice: this just won’t wash and you know it!
70

Ike,

Glasgow 24/01/2008 15:51:44
The posts about this story reveal an uncomfortable smugness at best, and meanness at worst. It's as if Scotland has forgotten completely the nature and spirit of enterprise and replaced it with a fearful respect for po-faced bureaucracy. Donald Trump is an entrepreneurial businessman... that is to say he pursues profit which is the money that's left after costs. Regulations are a cost to any business and regulations, of course, are essential to public safety and investor protection. But profit is the purpose... profit is the driver in our system which Scotland has done more than most to create. Enterprtise is essential to The Wealth of Nations and our ability to pay for teachers, doctors, defence and so on. Surely we must only make sure that The Trump development is skilfully negotiated by our public representatives to ensure this investment comes to Scotland. The golf courses and new community will be built after which it doesn't matter what happens to Donald Trump. If he sells on his paper at a premimum then good luck to him. The development will be taken over by other hopefuls. The new homeowners will watch the value of their asset rise and - if his US courses are anything to go by - Trump will have enabled something progressive... whether he himself makes a lot or a little or even spirals into bankruptcy. 14,000 have signed the Gov petition in favour. Local people want iot. Surely we should all encourage it.
71

Sedov,

Scotland 24/01/2008 15:53:45
No surprise that Salmond is being praised to high heaven by one of the biggest and richest representatives of big business in the world -after all the SNP are nought but tartan tories. Nothing wrong with that if you like that sort of thing but why does the SNP and its supporters pretend that they are otherwise. - Own up Salmond - beneath the smokescreen of scotch mist you are just the same as Brown and Cameron.
72

Jock 107,

24/01/2008 16:01:10
it's only a few sand dunes, it's the economy stupid! Look at all the benefits Alex will bring to the unemployed and pensioners in his constituency, with Mr Trump as a benefactor. Who can blame him?
73

Sedov,

Scotland 24/01/2008 16:01:18
just read #78 - is this another PR exercise for Trump -the new messiah? thanks for the laugh Ike.
74

Van (not white) Diesel,

Amsterdam & Augsburg 24/01/2008 16:06:35
This may be urban myth - but the story told to me goes something like this:

Four golfers, having paid for the privilege of playing one of Trump's courses, were in mid round when one of his lackeys informed (i.e. did not request) the group that Mr. Trump would be playing through in about 10 minutes.

Golf is supposed to be an indicator of character. Says it all, doesn't it!
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Ike,

Glasgow 24/01/2008 16:18:10
#81 Thanks for the comment. Better to laugh than cry. There's no PR in wanting a long queue of entrepreneurs chapping on Scotland's door to be met and dealt with by our clever sons and daughters skilled in getting the most out of a deal and enjoying the benefits which would arise... better health care for the boomers, better education. Surely we have had enough of being told; "You can't do it, your not clever enough." There are 3,000 cranes on the skyline of Shanghai.... wealth, my friend, wealth.
76

AJM,

24/01/2008 16:19:38
#80 Jock 107 How are his constituency pensioners going tp benefit from Trump gated town.
Plus he is only going to employ the unemployed in this venture that is brilliant, this guy must be a socialist underneath that Reform Party exterior.
77

Ike,

Glasgow 24/01/2008 16:29:00
Scotland's position in the world was created by our unique educational advantages during the growth of the British Empire. Our relative decline within the UK matched the decline of empire. Now we must exploit world markets or we'll have no future, independent or unionised. Welcome to Scotland - land of opportunity. Come one, come all... bring your ideas and bring your cash.
78

Ayrshire Scot.™,

24/01/2008 16:29:36
Stop all the muck raking! Don’t you all know that Alex has an answer for everything?
79

Ike,

Glasgow 24/01/2008 16:35:16
#84
Because people will work there and pay taxes instead of drawing benefits and this will contribute to paying pensions. Local service companies will prosper and pay more taxes which will contribute to paying pensions. Because local enterprising people will spot gaps in the new market, start companies and pay taxes and so on. The alternative is communism.
80

Sedov,

Scotland 24/01/2008 16:51:02
Ike -Health.... not wealth. Its the mad scramble for money that is causing much of the problems surrounding global warming and environmental catastrophe. Money cannot buy happiness and I am a very happy guy but I am not wealthy but I am ----healthy. Communism of the type described in the communist manifesto -bring it on and quickly, before much more damage is done to the planet.
81

AJM,

24/01/2008 16:52:13
#87 Ike Thanks for making me laugh. I doubt very much that the local unemployed will be benefit one cent. You only have to look at where most of those employed in the Hotel industry are from to know that it will not be the unemployed of Aberdeen. They will remain on the scrap heap I am afraid. What the area needs is high technological, jobs to retain the skills in the area, not toilet cleaning and grass cutting to bloated rich. Thatcher was a great exponent of the trickle down effect of wealth, I will watch with interest if you are suggesting that Alex is following that model.
82

Blue Tooner,

Aberdeenshire 24/01/2008 18:04:56
Did that reporter on BBC news last night really say that membership to that Trump golf club near New York cost 360,000 dollars? Did he really say that the golf hole he was reporting from, with a giant Disneyland waterfall thing in the background, cost more than 8 million dollars? I’m all for free enterprise, but I find this level of decadence truly gross. Did Mr Trump really say he builds golf courses to improve the environment? What on earth has he got planned for us here in Aberdeenshire? Lib Dems, SNP, Labs, Cons et al, God help us all, this whole thing is ridiculous.
83

Ike,

Glasgow 24/01/2008 18:26:58
#89
You're absolutely right about high tech jobs - why did BP give up on Peterhead? Meantime most non-toxic investment is surely welcome. As for the jobless, who are we to assume that joblessness = indolence, and catering = migrant opportunity? The health of the North East depends on its population and the latest figures show a sharp decline in future with an internal migration towards Edinburgh continuing to throw the country out of balance. Besides, the oil capital of Europe needs leaisure investment and new housing. Everyone can benefit. Whether we will or not is an entirely different question.
84

Ike,

Glasgow 24/01/2008 18:31:10
#89
I also agree about trickle down economics... the rich get richer etc. Nonetheless it's up to us all to do the best we can to seize opportunities - it's human nature - it's what we tell our children, isn't it?
85

Richardinho,

24/01/2008 19:07:48
Essentially, what we need to develop in this country is a meritocracy and a free market where everyone has the opportunity to better themselves-and is encouraged to do so.
There are two factors which at the moment count against this; the first is the size of the public sector which is such a huge behemoth that it makes it very difficult for private enterprise to compete against it-when they are even allowed to.

The second factor is education. The main thing which separates people in a society in terms of ability is the quality of the education they receive as children.
Scotland used to have the finest education system in the world. That is no longer the case anymore. In fact for the poorest in our society it is one of the worst.

It is not a case of giving more money to schools but to reorganize them so that they become conducive environments for learning, no as many of them are now, simply day centres for an increasingly hopeless underclass.
86

kimba,

24/01/2008 19:10:55
86. The only answer Alex has is, insult the English and pray.
87

Ike,

Glasgow 24/01/2008 19:31:52
#95
Peterhead was a shameful (or shameless) act of heel-dragging by Westminster. I read the plant is going to Abu Dhabi. It's a bad one. Anyway, at least all the party activists who're not spinning in the forum might read that we can think for ourselves; that government has no money but ours and we expect better. Good luck in the north.
88

JR Ewing,

Aberdeen 24/01/2008 19:45:01
AM2

How you love to twist the facts.
BP pulled out after investing nearly £30 million because after promises in early 2006 from no less than Gordon Brown himself by May 2007 nothing whatsoever had been done by Labour to progress the matter. Darling promised in June 2007 to have the matter sorted by November 2007 - Guess what still no further forward.

I can explain why the SNP backed this bid.
In early summer 2006 BP were the most advanced and had spent the largest amount of the money on development
You may listen to Wicks garbage about 8-10 full scale scale demonstrations if you wish - just like you he twists the truth
89

Alfie Bett,

24/01/2008 19:48:23
#71 The Federalist says

#65 You miss my point - it is not £1 billion (or $2 billion) of INVESTMENT - the actual capital input will be substantially smaller. The VALUE of the final development may be worth £1 billion but that is an entirely different thing.

A £1 billion is not going to enter the Scottish economy but the coffers of D Trump Esq.

Ah, so your privy to the financial figures of this development and I'm to take your figures as opposed to Trump's own figures as stated in his interview which was $2billion,perhaps you are one of those unionists who have insider knowledge,have their ear to the ground and have sources not available to mere nationalist mortals,quite similar to those unionist captains of industry that used to post here pre Scottish elections promising to leave Scotland if the SNP got in!(lol)I know full well Trump is a hard nosed business man out to make a lot of bucks but I also can recognise he's in a position to put investment Scotland 's way or perhaps you would prefer it if he went away to N.I. where they are clamouring for it.
If you are a unionist and up to now all I've seen from the unionist posters on this thread and in fact from the unionist politicians in Holyrood are the politics of envy and resentment that Salmond has proven to the Scottish people once again that the SNP are the the only party with Scotland's interests first and last and even Trump can see that.
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Ike,

Glasgow 24/01/2008 19:52:11
#98
Thanks for the reference... Nonetheless on the day of withdrawal from the venture BP themselves blamed Westminster for dragging its heels, not me. Most big decisions are simplistic once all complex factors have been taken into consideration. Any pretext may be used to explain a decision to the public after it has been taken. Congratulations on your search for clues. It's all we have really. Leading edge energy/environmental technology - oil capital of Europe - who wouldn't move moutains to get that? Apparently not Westminster. I still think it's a bad one. Wish we had better journalists.
91

SlyFifer,

California 24/01/2008 20:07:58
Once, on a visit to Gleneagles Hotel, I met a man who was on a world golfing tour. He was amazed that he could find such a fine hotel in such a beautiful setting for less than $2000.00 a night !!!.
World class golfing resorts are always accompanied by Hotels and housing. Just look to Pebble Beach in California. Here is a development within a sensitive environmental area which is beautiful and pristine. This is a destination not only for golfers but tourists and the downstream benifits to the local communities and businesses is considerable. Such develpoments as Trump is proposing are few and far between. Scotland should grab the opportunity that such a development would bring and reap the benifits.
A man such as Trump will not hang about endlessly waiting for a few vasilating politicians to bicker about in their usual fashion but will take his ideas elsewhere to a more convivial environment. Scotlands loss.
92

Gdgy,

dundee 24/01/2008 20:10:11
Ah don;t the SNPites twist and turn so pretty when they are justifying their leaders actions - none so blind......
93

Van (not white) Diesel,

Amsterdam & Augsburg 24/01/2008 20:27:56
#102 SlyFifer
We already have 5 Open venues, plus Gleneagles resort and hotel, and any number of other excellent courses that earn the coveted 'must play' heading. However, the big 'pull' for the visiting golfer is the Old Course. Bookings at all the other courses tend to drop when the Ol