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Trump - 'between you and me I'm going to get it'



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Published Date: 03 April 2008
DONALD Trump has blundered into yet another row over his plans to build a £1 billion golf resort in Scotland, by confidently boasting: "I'm going to get it."
The American billionaire made his prediction despite the plan being called in by the Scottish Government for an independent review.

The timing will not be welcomed by Alex Salmond, the First Minister, who is still battling claims that his govern
ment has been rolling over for the tycoon.

John Swinney, the finance secretary, called in the planning application after a council committee originally rejected it. Mr Salmond was also criticised by a parliamentary committee for meeting Trump advisers a day earlier. Mr Trump's comments, which appear in the latest issue of Vanity Fair magazine, confirmed his shoot-from-the-lip approach.

He said: "If Jack Nicklaus tried to do this, he'd have zero chance, but they like what I've done, and because I am who I am and my mother is Scottish. Between you and me, I'm going to get it."

His comments were criticised by campaigners fighting his scheme, who accused Trump of being arrogant and again trying to bluster his way through the planning process.

Under his proposals, which will come under the microscope at a three-week public inquiry starting on 10 June, two golf courses, a five-star 450-room hotel, 950 holiday homes, 36 golf villas and 500 homes would be built, partly on a site of special scientific interest (SSSI), on the Menie estate in Aberdeenshire.

In his interview, carried out over the past few months with journalist Alex Shoumatoff, Mr Trump did himself no favours when he revealed he was not sure what an SSSI is.

He said: "The dunes are considered to be SSSI, which means scientifically important something and that you sort of can't touch them.

"It's like going in and ripping down a landmark building in New York, but I'm going to build a world-class golf course in the dunes and another 18 holes on the property, plus a tremendous hotel with 450 rooms, 500 homes, 950 condos and 36 golf villas."

The tycoon further cemented the stereotype of a forthright-speaking American with his dismissive views about global warming, saying that at least it might help overcome the North-east of Scotland's famous sea fog – the haar.

"Well, maybe global warming, which I don't necessarily believe in, at least the human part, is going to take care of the bad weather," he said. Trump could not resist attacking one of his most long-standing opponents, Michael Forbes, who owns adjoining land, and has refused to sell up.

"Forbes is a wise guy, and now that he's become well known because he's fighting Trump, he's playing it up to the hilt," the businessman said.

"His property is a mess and I would like him to clean it up, but it's in the flatland behind the dunes, and my approvals have nothing to do with it. I own 100 per cent of what I need to own.

"There are people on the outskirts making noise because it's me, unfortunately, but between you and me, Alex, Forbes is making my land more valuable."

Mr Forbes said he was unconcerned about Mr Trump's latest outburst. "At least I got under his skin," he said. "He came to Scotland and thought he could buy us all up. These latest comments are just typical of his arrogant personality, and I would be surprised if they had any real basis.

"In fact, I think the inquiry will decide the other way and he will lose."

There has been concern about the way the application has received special treatment since it was first rejected by Aberdeenshire Council's infrastructure committee. The majority of the Scottish Parliament's local government committee was highly critical of the way the Scottish Government took the unprecedented step of calling in the application last December, when Trump insisted he would not appeal and started talking about taking up an option in Northern Ireland.

It also said Mr Salmond had acted "extremely unwisely" by meeting Trump's representatives in his capacity as the constituency MSP the day before and helping to arrange a meeting with Scotland's chief planner, Jim Mackinnon.

David McLetchie, a Conservative MSP who is on the local government committee, said: "It's no surprise Donald Trump thinks his development is a shoo-in for approval, given that the SNP government pulled out all the legal stops to keep it alive in light of his refusal to follow the normal appeal process. Donald Trump is a gambler, but this time he is backing a racing certainty."

Lib Dem councillor Martin Ford, who lost his position as Aberdeenshire Council's infrastructure committee convener for using his casting vote to throw out the Trump application, was also concerned.

"It is immaterial in planning law where your mother was born or how wealthy you are or what your character is like," he said. "I find it very disturbing that Mr Trump is so confident on which way the decision will go before the inquiry has even begun. I only hope his certainty is misplaced and not based on what went on before."

Green MSP Patrick Harvie said he believed Trump's comments only reflected his arrogance. "I have complete confidence the inquiry will be open and fair," he said. "This is just an reflection of Trump's arrogance. I think the title Vanity Fair says it all."

But he went on: "The comments certainly do not help restore the confidence that has been lost in the planning process in Scotland through the way the government has already treated the application. It will embarrass ministers, and they should distance themselves from them."

Mickey Foote, from Sustainable Aberdeenshire, the campaign group leading the fight against the project, said: "You can see why Mr Trump might think that, but I think we just need to let the due process take its proper course."

A source close to the First Minister denied the comments had caused any embarrassment.

"These comments were made five or six months ago, long before it was decided the application would go to a public inquiry, so the situation has changed quite dramatically," he said. "We have no control over what Mr Trump says and, of course, he is entitled to his opinion, but that's all it is.

"It certainly does not embarrass the First Minister."

A spokesman for the Scottish Government insisted that the public inquiry would examine all the issues in an "efficient, transparent and inclusive" way.

I'm a genius, says the billionaire champion of self-promotion

BILLIONAIRE Donald Trump has never been shy about letting the world know about his wealth and the power that comes with it.

And in the latest issue of Vanity Fair, the leading American society magazine, Mr Trump is at it again.

He is certainly not known for holding back when it comes to promoting the Trump brand and he does not disappoint.

Although he has been through a high-profile divorce from his former wife Ivana, made a fortune, lost it and then made a fortune again and had his own TV shows, including the original version of The Apprentice, he does not hold back when discussing his views with journalist Alex Shoumatoff, a friend and golf partner.

Mr Trump declared: "This is the greatest writer in America. He's doing a cover story on me for Vanity Fair. I've been on it twice before. But they want me again. They can't have enough of me. Do you think they're going to put me on the cover?"

In fact Mr Trump has only appeared once on the magazine's cover, in 1994, with his second wife, Marla Maples, and their child Tiffany. He has lost the cover this time round to pop star Madonna.

He compares himself favourably with the most successful golfer of all time Jack Nicklaus, claiming that the Golden Bear, who also has a less controversial golf resort proposal in the North-east of Scotland, would not have been able to get Mr Trump's £1 billion Menie estate application through.

His theory is that it all comes down to personal energy and seems to believe that it is transmitted through the genes.

He explained: "I know smart people who don't have energy, and if you don't have energy, it's hard to compete. My son Barron has incredible energy. You know why? Because his father is a f***ing genius.

"My father had tremendous energy, and my mother had tremendous promotional skills, even though she was a homemaker. You're born with energy. It's not something you're ever going to be able to develop."

To many people, especially in reserved Britain, his brash comments attract derision.

However, even though it makes him enemies, it is this huge confidence and skill at self-publicity that has made businesses in the North-east back his golf resort plans.

At a recent meeting of the Scottish Parliament's economy, energy and tourism committee, held in Aberdeen as part of its inquiry into tourism, Peter Medley, of the Aberdeen Hotels Association, said that Mr Trump's ability to publicise himself combined with his golf resort would put Aberdeenshire on the map.

Many people in the North-east of Scotland appear to have embraced him.

One poll carried out in the region gave him 80 per cent support.





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1

subrosa,

03/04/2008 00:04:15
Stupid man.
2

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03/04/2008 00:04:18
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3

monkey man,

03/04/2008 00:05:09
All those billions of dollars and Trump still can't afford a decent haircut. His wee puppy Salmond must like his style...
4

Resolutions,

03/04/2008 00:10:41
Such arrogance! Such contempt! Definitely needs to be whacked into the Rough.
5

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 03/04/2008 00:11:06
'Trump this, Trump that'!

I wish he would..., 'Trump off''!
6

Andrew BOD,

Aberdeen/shire 03/04/2008 00:13:51
"These comments were made FIVE OR SIX MONTHS AGO, long before it was decided the application would go to a public inquiry, so the situation has changed quite dramatically," he said. "We have no control over what Mr Trump says and, of course, he is entitled to his opinion, but that's all it is."

Conjuring up out-of-date comments and grandstanding opposition to the development is something the Scotsman does well. It's just as well the person running the public inquiry is clear that it's about the development, not the developers. The Scotsman would do well to heed this if they wish to be taken seriously as a broadsheet. I can read this type of sensationalism every day in the Daily Retard.
7

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 03/04/2008 00:13:58
I see your bad hand
its in front of me
take your.. now you pay the kitty
I see your bad hand
We got it
We got the trump
You slide your card face down on the table
to match my high, nice try
you are unable
cause this is tripoley man
this is the showdown
yeah this is war 8 9 10
your pile's mine-town
8

Jock 107,

03/04/2008 00:15:43
Of course he'll get it.
He's soared like an eagle over due process, Ford-ing every stream.
There are no links between him and Alex
You'll have had your tee...
9

monkey man,

03/04/2008 00:20:04
# 6

Salmond's Sycophants are always demanding the Scottish people be allowed to decide what they want.

Well those up North don't want the repellent and repugnant Trump but wee slavering puppy Salmond is on the end of Trump's leash and insists his master gets his way. Isn't democracy nice.?
10

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 03/04/2008 00:21:34
And next it will be..'Edinburgh Castle'

'Tump Castle'

But worry NOT!.. the cannons are waiting for him!

1'O'clock.....'Trump' with a pump!
11

Highland MightyÂ,

here 03/04/2008 00:24:52
Who else would sponsor "Alex the Chancer's" wave technology prize?

12

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 03/04/2008 00:25:43
Lets face it!

It is like..'Blair and Bush'!

'YES MASTER'!
13

Alfred E. Neuman,

03/04/2008 00:27:36
I think it's fair to say that something of Mr Trump's appeal gets lost in cultural translation when he hops over the pond so his own personal reputation is largely unchanged over here no doubt.

But this will reflect badly on the SNP and Mssrs Salmond and Swinney who have become too close, far too close for comfort. Uncomfortably close indeed.
14

Huntly loon,

Aberdeenshire 03/04/2008 00:28:22
I think Donald Trump has been listening too much to the good folk of Aberdeenshire, who overwhelmingly keep telling him that they want him to have his golf course, and that they will make damned sure he will get it. I think the name for it is 'Democracy.'
15

Andrew BOD,

Aberdeen/shire 03/04/2008 00:30:30
9 monkey

'Those up North' DO want the development. Around 80% of them in fact. Do some research before you start spouting...
16

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 03/04/2008 00:32:49
Bah, bah, black sheep,
Have you any wool?
Yes, Tumpy have I,
Three bags full;
One for my Wendy,
Who is a Dame,
But none for the little boy
Who cries in the lane.
17

Jock MacSprog,

03/04/2008 00:53:29
as you can tell by the comments of the bitter losers above, being confident, positive or upbeat about anything is reviled in Scotland.
18

Jock 107,

03/04/2008 01:00:53
12 Charles Linskaill,Edinburgh 03/04/2008 00:25:43

"It is like..'Blair and Bush'! 'YES MASTER'!"

I thought that was Doctor Who & K9 (who is not a poodle, not at all, no, no-one's poodle, not even for a few scraps from his temporal-ary master)
19

Richardinho,

03/04/2008 01:05:57
I thought that Trump was supposed to be losing interest?
That's the impression you would have got reading the Scottish media over the last few weeks.
Good to know he's still willing to invest his millions in Scotland. I personally welcome them.
20

mobocaster,

Aberdeen 03/04/2008 01:06:35
Sounds more like desperation/fronting-up to me.

Several of Trump's traditional institutional backers (US & EU) have taken a hammering recently & I doubt he would get away with yet another junk bond issue in the current climate (although nothing would surprise me about the gullibility of some of his investors).
21

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 03/04/2008 01:09:31
19 Richardinho,

'Aye Right Then'!.....(Edinburgh expression!)

_____________________

18 Jock 107,.. ;-)
22

Richardinho,

03/04/2008 01:34:28
Silly the way what started out as a welcome offer of investment, has turned into a political football match with all the tribalism of the old firm rivalry.

I support the Trump project because it will be beneficial for Scotland, not because The labour party has decided it's yet another 'nationalist shibboleth' that they have to destroy at any cost.
23

Jock 107,

03/04/2008 02:05:53
22 Richardinho

What's a shibboleth?
24

Richardinho,

03/04/2008 02:10:11
Dunno- ask that narrow minded, incompetent, miser-sorry, 'saintly father of the nation', Donald Dewar.
25

Dougie Douglas,

Brisbane 03/04/2008 02:25:40
It's time fro the unionists to declare if they support this project or not.

After all the complaints about AS attracting inward investment yesterday it would seem few of them would.

How utterly shameful

26

Surelynot,

Edinburgh 03/04/2008 02:51:55
# 24 Are you arranging the seance?

And #22 In what way will the Trump development benefit Scotland? This is not a loaded question. I'm interested to know.

27

Surelynot,

Edinburgh 03/04/2008 02:59:03
# 25 Is this an issue that can be split along unionist/nationalist lines? What if you think Scotland has some unique coastline? It is completely different from any other and has a unique flora and fauna. Scotland has golf courses in abundance.
Most of them are under utilised.
28

Surelynot,

Edinburgh 03/04/2008 03:14:07
#25 'Utterly Shameful'.
I'm not wired into 'all the complaints' about anything.
I'm neither nationalist nor unionist.
I'd ask anyone to think seriously about supporting the destruction of something that makes Scotland 'Scottish' for the creation of a resort not many of us would be able to holiday at.
What will Trumps development do to raise skills levels in Aberdeenshire?
'Can I carry your bags?'
I've realised I'm the only one posting now.
29

Dougie Douglas,

Brisbane 03/04/2008 03:28:50
#27, #27

I entirely agree that this sort of issue should traverse tradional party lines.

However it has become clear that Unionists (broadly) do not support the development to frustrate the SNP. It really is very immature politicking and shows their disregard for the economic advancement of Scotland.

Secondly (and broadly) it seems most nats support the development because it will involve a massive inward investment. We have to make it work.

This land may be environmentally marginal for such developments, I would suggest a middle of the road approach would be best suited for this development.

As to the quality of jobs:-

Construction
Hospitality
Service

What's wrong with that? Your carry your bags analogy points to a resort containing lots of rich people. I would have thought that is exactly the type of tourists we need.

30

Surelynot,

Edinburgh 03/04/2008 03:46:51
# 29 This land is unique to the planet.

Therefore your second point 'Secondly (and broadly) it seems most nats support the development because it will involve a massive inward investment. We have to make it work.'

The 'we' reveals your intent. You want a massive inward investment. Regardless.

Construction -
Hospitality
Service

How many Aberdeenshire biddies will take on these jobs?

Scotland deserves better. We should demand development 'of' our country, not 'in' out country.

31

Dougie Douglas,

Brisbane 03/04/2008 05:04:37
#29

Ok, fair enough, you are against it.

80% of the people in the area are not.

32

Dougie Douglas,

Brisbane 03/04/2008 05:05:32
#29

Ok, fair enough, you are against it.

80% of the people in the area are not.

'We' is the people of Scotland and her government
33

Dougie Douglas,

Brisbane 03/04/2008 05:05:35
#29

Ok, fair enough, you are against it.

80% of the people in the area are not.

'We' is the people of Scotland and her government
34

Dougie Douglas,

Brisbane 03/04/2008 05:05:35
#29

Ok, fair enough, you are against it.

80% of the people in the area are not.

'We' is the people of Scotland and her government
35

Dougie Douglas,

Brisbane 03/04/2008 05:08:36
BTW

That picture of Trump - is he having a 'Donald Trump'
36

StoneMan,

San Diego 03/04/2008 06:23:43
Saturday Night Live had a skit with Mike Myers portraying a Scotsman with the tag line; "If it is not Scottish, it's Crap!" Well, Trump is 1/2 Scott, so he is 1/2 full of Crap, but his arrogance Trumps and excommunicates his Scottish other 1/2 and add another 1/2 of %@#$**(Therefore Trump = 150% of 10 day old Haggis...We do not like him here in the USA either.
Thank you, I am 1/2 Ayrshire - 1/2 Yorkshire. Family in USA 388 years. Proud Scotsman, Proud American, Proud Englishman. Screw Trump
37

McX,

03/04/2008 06:24:44
"Between you and me" is that the same as "Off the Record"?

Where's Gerri Peeve she's the expert on what this means?
38

Colin Wilson,

Aberdeen 03/04/2008 06:45:54
The north-east needs serious economic and industrial development, but not this sort of vulgar trash.
39

Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 03/04/2008 06:51:47
A housing scam disguised as a golf course. Its local supporters must be very blind not to see this for what it is. Where's their pride?
40

Dons & Crows R AFC,

03/04/2008 06:54:20
Donald, any chance you could take a shine to buying the Dons off of Milne? You could discuss hair pieces at the same time!
Come to think of it you'd spend more money on your hair pieces than Milne does on the Dons!
41

McGinty,

03/04/2008 07:12:00
'He explained: "I know smart people who don't have energy, and if you don't have energy, it's hard to compete. My son Barron has incredible energy. You know why? Because his father is a f***ing genius'...(!)


42

Tim Nunn,

Glasgow 03/04/2008 07:15:43
Scotland's greatest asset is it's natural environment. It is not only disgusting to see it turned into a theme park by this crass money maker but it is economically short sighted. Look at his attitude to the environment - all he can see are dollar signs.
43

Richard Taylor,

Aberdeen 03/04/2008 07:17:17
Trump WILL get his golf development, as has been said, the vast majority up here welcome the plans.

Those who are against it, & let's face it they are against it due to the developER rather than the developMENT, aren't worth a hill of beans.
44

L.Scott,

Reno, NV. USA 03/04/2008 07:17:19
Frankly, I hope you folks send this arrogant sob packing.Good lord this dolt wants to build yet another golf course and a raft of over the top housing for a bunch of rich snobs who will use up more resources ( water,power,fire and police)than their entitled to at the expense of your regular folks.Go ahead, give "The Donald" what the we spoiled brat wants.
45

overton,

balmedie 03/04/2008 07:26:04
The sooner Mr Trump gets approval for the project the sooner the Scotsman will stop dredging up garbage to print about the man and the development.

At least Mr Trump speaks his mind (a bit like Old Mikey Forbes actually) and is honest - Debra Storr and Martin Ford's actions behind the scenes versus what they say in public is entirely questionable and hypocritical.
46

Tamaz,

Glasgow 03/04/2008 07:28:47
This should have been kicked into touch a long time ago. Send him packing. He will be a nightmare if this goes ahead, any law that does not suit him he will ignore, thinking he is above the law. This development will be a thorn in the side of local government.
47

Citylocal Fife,

Citylocal Fife News 03/04/2008 07:33:28
Living in Fife, I can understand why a golf course is important, what I can't understand is why we have involved Mr Trump. We have the brains and the vision, the banks are awash with money and desperately looking for secure borrowers, so why don't we do it ourselves?




Yours etc

Angus Whitton
48

Helmut Smegma,

Edinburgh. 03/04/2008 07:46:26
"I`m going to get it" - what?,a new hair weave?
49

11+failed,

the pans 03/04/2008 08:05:16
Seems many on here would prefer the hypocrisy,chicanery,duplicity and lying of Nu Labour to a bit of open, honest, opinion from Trump.
50

paulr,

edinburgh 03/04/2008 08:09:04
As the yanks say, "money talks" just look at the "planning fiasco" in edinburgh city center.
51

Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 03/04/2008 08:09:52
Such controversial developments should be settled by a local, informed, referendum; not by bureaucrats and brown envelopes.
52

Paul W,

Near an underused golf course or 2. 03/04/2008 08:14:59
#47, The banks are not exactly awash with money, in fact the reverse is the case - Northern Rock, Bear Sterns are warning signs. UBS is wobbling. Alliance & Leicester is probably next one to go under.

The 'rich' tourists you are hoping to get won't exist by the time this resort is built. The economic indicators are such that this is probably a very bad time to build a new resort.

Jobs for Scotland - jobs for Poland more like. The resort staff will be largely minimum wage, the builders will come and go and many will not be Scots (in fact Trump could be the most Scots person involved).

You might get 2 new golf courses, but Trump needs his investment back and anything not made on the houses will come from the punters. I'm not sure he will be happy with your traditional right to roam. If he doesn't know what a SSSI is you can bet he hasn't thought about every free born Jock strolling around the fairways. Golf courses in the US are private areas where the hoi polloi are kept well away; in Scotland they are open recreation areas. I'll bet he'll put fences up and the locals will be kept well away if they don't have the bawbies. Watch this space.

BTW, does the local MSP make arrangements for every constituent with a planning dispute to meet the planners? It seems odd that he favours non-constituents. What is his interest?
53

Dempo,

03/04/2008 08:24:04
The site has SSSI status for a reason, if the application is allowed then what's the point to having such protected sites in the first place. It will make a mockery of conservation policy in this country.
As for the whole application process so far... what a joke, just like Trump's hairdo.
54

Senga Jean,

Scotland 03/04/2008 08:25:03
So long as there is a public enquiry Mugabe himself could be an applicant. (Yes even with the irritating remarks made by Trump Six months ago I am still in favour of his investment...it will be built in nice time for the International recovery...IF he is granted Planning Permission)
55

Scotish Exile,

03/04/2008 08:32:14
We are talking about sand dunes for god's sake, no use to any one, let the developer build a golf course I say and make some use out of the land
56

thomas ferguson,

glasgow 03/04/2008 08:42:35
"It certainly does not embarrass the First Minister."
nothing can do this for a man who sneers and laughs his way through any interview,too my horror they are still in power? aaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
57

Owen824,

Edinburgh 03/04/2008 08:49:42
What a bunch of whiny negative people in aberdeen. Between the boring sods of 20 or so people who roam around the dunes looking at seagulls to the serious lack of economic stimulus other than oil, this is your chance to bring in a lot of tourism and money to the area that could use it. You have a city overrun with neds and is generally unpleasant place to go so you should be happy that someone is gong to take the area up a peg or two.
58

walter,

03/04/2008 08:54:40
It is not that people do not support this development, it is the way that the government or more specifically certain members of the government handled the situation.
There has been 250 applications called in from 1999 to 2007 but the Menie estate application is the only one which was called in after a decision to refuse the application was made by a planning authority but before the authority issued the decision notice.

59

Linda,

Edinburgh 03/04/2008 08:54:44
A slow news day for 4 month old interview to be giving front page headlines.
60

GrahamH,

Edinburgh 03/04/2008 09:00:37
#1 - Stupid Man????

You read papers at midnight to make 1st post on articles.

His lifestyle will be somewhat different, wth just possibly a little more luxury about it.

Who is the stupid man?

61

Senga Jean,

Scotland 03/04/2008 09:03:28
Did you hear how Alex Salmond arranged a priceless deal with National Geographic to promote Scotland Worldwide for less than the price of one starting button on a Trident missile? The price includes making Scotland the focus for the next quantum leap in technology? The SNP are defined by Scotland.
62

bogmon,

03/04/2008 09:03:33
SSSI 'protection' status is regularly flouted by road building, windfarms etc. It is a useless designation. And now it looks like Trump is about to dump a fat Richard the Third on this one.

55: Are you in exile because of your spelling abilities, or because of your couldn't-care-less attitude towards the landscape of your own country?
63

A Crofter,

Western Isles 03/04/2008 09:13:14
It's junketing season again for the First Monster.

I hope the "Nodding Eck" has taken his fetching brown suit to this year's bash across the pond.
64

Dempo,

03/04/2008 09:20:35
Scottish exile 55: With that lack of appreciation and understanding for the environment you should stay in exile and get a proper education. Dont come back!
65

Dick Lynas,

Glasgow 03/04/2008 09:30:12
Must say I agree with all those who distinguish between the developer and the development.
I bet Trump would not have had any of this hassle if he had used Jack Nicklaus as a front man for his venture.
But then Trump is a man who does not seem to realise that the best way to increase your power is to share it around.
66

Ciderman 542000,

Forres 03/04/2008 09:30:16
overton # 45

This is not a story manufactured by the Scotsman, it is reported here too http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/north_east/7327824.stm
I wonder does Salmond think he is smarter than Trump? It is certainly a tosss-up over whom is the more smug.
67

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03/04/2008 09:34:23
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haggis 10,

03/04/2008 09:38:31
A message to all the Anti SNP Brigade if the English way of life is so good Why do we not have any Heavy Industry left No Fisheries No shipping Companies No Ship Builders No Scottish Whisky Distillers No Scottish Brewers and Soon to come No Scottish Oil No Major Scottish Ports I would go on to suggest your nothing better than a bunch of Carpetbaggers intent on stealing the last of Scotlands Wealth.
69

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 03/04/2008 09:43:44
The Scotsman decends further into tabloid territory.
70

Alex, Young Laird d' Drumchapel,

Madrid 03/04/2008 09:44:33
I see the unionist spin-troll are all over this with customar, dishonourable and lowlife comments such as "Trump but wee slavering puppy Salmond is on the end of Trump's leash".

The quote is 6 months old, Trump could only be talking about his relationship with McConnell and Aberdeen councillors.

If they cared about Scotland these disgusting lies wouldn't be posted.
71

Alex, Young Laird d' Drumchapel,

Madrid 03/04/2008 09:45:41
Wardog,
And when the oil runs out their loyalty will not be repaid. They'll be dumped along with the rest of us.
72

Stepford Nat..,

03/04/2008 09:46:47
70 Alex, Young Laird d' Drumchapel,Madrid

Exactly. Alex never did anything wrong, and has not accepted any bribes

www.snp.org
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Alex, Young Laird d' Drumchapel,

Madrid 03/04/2008 09:47:34
Ciderman,
"This is not a story manufactured by the Scotsman, it is reported here too http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/north_east/7327824.stm"

Yes, the BBC got it from the Scotsman and both are unionist propaganda vehicles.
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tessterror,

03/04/2008 09:52:21
dont you lot spout a load o urine(im not allowed to use the p word), easily seen you are unable to be vocal on decent news stories. Who cares about a man in a wig with tons o money, is this development or proposed one really going to affect any of your lives?????
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seillean a mhirdenibha,

Williamsburg 03/04/2008 09:54:40
Scotland, you are welcome to Mr Trump and his money and his "refreshing" arrogrance. Please, take him off of our hands. A Yank.
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Alex, Young Laird d' Drumchapel,

Madrid 03/04/2008 09:55:52
Some of this trolling is repugnant. I mean "A Crofter,Western Isles" - focus group, party hacking idiocy. It'll be "Joiner,Govan" next and let's make sure the geography is related to marginal seats. This is a serious issue and to be degrading the debate like this only shows the anonymous, cowardly Labour party hacks up as power greedy fools.

Incidently Labour trolls. Where are these nuclear power stations that Gordon Brown wants built in Scotland going to be built? Not on Scotland's protected coast-line per chance? You don't really care about the answer do you?
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Publius,

London 03/04/2008 10:00:08
#20 mobocaster
#52 Paul W

Right on both of you. It's good to see that some comments on this board are grounded in realism. No-one else seems to realise that residential property speculation of this kind is coming to an end. In the US, Spain and Ireland residential property prices are falling and new builds are full of unsold units. In the UK property prices are flatlining at best. And credit for the kind of speculation that Trump engages in has almost dried up.
It is now quite possible that the development won't happen regardless of whether it gets planning approval. And even if it starts, it won't get finished leaving Aberdeenshire with a half empty eyesore.
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dancingbear,

Edinburgh 03/04/2008 10:18:21
#77 Publius, you guys are absolutely right about the Trump saga. However, most of the folks on these threads are so close to the coal face of bitching that they miss the point totally. They think they care about politics and their country but they only care about point scoring. Most of the posts are ego mania of the highest order.
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fred bloggs,

Edinburgh 03/04/2008 10:18:36
Contrary to what some of the above claim, this story is not old news; it is in the latest issue of Vanity Fair:

http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/features/2008/05/trump200805
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donald,

glasgow 03/04/2008 10:18:41
Donald Trump. The only capitalist Labour loves to hate.
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fred bloggs,

Edinburgh 03/04/2008 10:21:39
From the story:

'“ecological sensitivity” is not the first thing that comes to mind when you think of Donald Trump. He doesn’t even believe in global warming. But this is because he is a city boy. The only apparent contact he has with nature is golf and sex.'
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Ciderman 542000,

Forres 03/04/2008 10:23:04
Alex, Young Laird d' Drumchapel # 76

We know where Trump wants to put his golf development. Do you have any idea where future nuclear power stations are going to be put by Gordon Brown? Yeah, Yeah!
Why does it bother you in Madrid anyway? Madrid is pretty far from any coast.
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Auckland Arab,

03/04/2008 10:27:57
Tragic points scoring by some misinformed posters here. Also will the Scotsman ever get back to serious journalism? I somehow doubt it.
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Boggle fey the Bog,

03/04/2008 10:38:56
23 Jock 107,03/04/2008 02:05:53

The Story of the Shibboleth

A shibboleth is a kind of linguistic password: A way of speaking (a pronunciation, or the use of a particular expression) that identifies one as a member of an 'in' group.

The purpose of a shibboleth is exclusionary as much as inclusionary: A person whose way of speaking violates a shibboleth is identified as an outsider and thereby excluded by the group. (This phenomenon is part of the "Judge a book by its cover" tendency apparently embedded in human cognition, and the use of language to distinguish social groups).

The story behind the word is recorded in the biblical Book of Judges. The word shibboleth in ancient Hebrew dialects meant 'ear of grain' (or, some say, 'stream').

Some groups pronounced it with a sh sound, but speakers of related dialects pronounced it with an s.

In the story, two Semitic tribes, the Ephraimites and the Gileadites, have a great battle. The Gileadites defeat the Ephraimites, and set up a blockade to catch the fleeing Ephraimites. The sentries asked each person to say the word shibboleth. The Ephraimites, who had no sh sound in their language, pronounced the word with an s and were thereby unmasked as the enemy and slaughtered.

Here is the relevant excerpt from the Book of Judges. The full account is in Chapter 12, verses 1-15.

12, 4 Then Jephthah gathered together all the men of Gilead, and fought with Ephraim: and the men of Gilead smote Ephraim, because they said, Ye Gileadites are fugitives of Ephraim among the Ephraimites, and among the Manassites.

5 And the Gileadites took the passages of Jordan before the Ephraimites: and it was so, that when those Ephraimites which were escaped said, Let me go over; that the men of Gilead said unto him, art thou an Ephraimite? If he say Nay;

6 Then said they unto him, Say now Shibboleth: and he said Sibboleth: for he could not frame to pronounce it right. Then they took him, and slew him at the passa
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Boggle fey the Bog,

03/04/2008 10:39:51
cont: from post #84

6 Then said they unto him, Say now Shibboleth: and he said Sibboleth: for he could not frame to pronounce it right. Then they took him, and slew him at the passages of Jordan: and there fell at that time of the Ephraimites forty and two thousand.

Hope this explains it.

As for the Trump story, he said this BEFORE it was rejected by the Aberdeen Council, planning Committee.

Although it would appear that the Hootsmaun is shy of highlighting this fact. Anyway, to suceed at anything, you got to have confidence in your abilities, something that a few on here don't have.
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Bermuda Bie,

Bermuda 03/04/2008 10:42:12
Of course he is confident he is going to get it. Salmond has given him a guarantee after all - never mind the inquiry or what real thinkers think.
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Royalty,

03/04/2008 10:48:54
Donald should build his gold course & become a perminant resident of the British Isles.

If Scotland is serious about attracting American investors, then Donald's yer man.

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Union is Best,

03/04/2008 11:05:17
82. Ciderman, great post, great points. Accuse the SNP of being narrow and parochial, then shamelessly poo-poo a comment because it comes from a foreign part! That will flummox them! Remember, hypocrisy and innuendo are our best friends on here!

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Union is Best,

03/04/2008 11:07:24
86. Nice one Bermuda Pie, like your thinking! I myself was puzzled, given Labour's admitted 120 counts of electoral law breaking with illegal donations and the Tories lakes of sleaze and perjurers and criminals, how to hit back at the SNP! But I think you have hit the nail on the head - just make up stuff and lob it at them! The beauty of this approach is because the accussations are totally baseless, they can't argue back factually! Love it!
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ochone,

Sauchie, Clack's 03/04/2008 11:10:14
It's an indication of not only how well the SNP government is doing generaly, but also of how desperate unionists, including the media have become that this is even touted as a story.

As a Nat, I find there attitude very cheering.
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Jock MacTamson 2,

Highland 03/04/2008 11:18:41
#79 Fred Bloggs & Other Misinformed posters who are choosing to post utter nonsense. I am having to resort to shouting.

THE INTERVIEW WAS DONE FOR VANITY FAIR SEVERAL MONTHS AGO BEFORE THE PLANNING PROCESS BECAME AN ISSUE. BEFORE ALEX SALMOND SPOKE TO DONALD TRUMP AND BEFORE THE APPLICATION WAS REJECTED BY THE TREE HUGGERS IN ABERDEENSHIRE INFRASTUCTURE COMMITTEE.

Try and Keep up with the next huge leap of understanding.

THE STORY FROM THE INTERVIEW HAS NOW JUST BEEN PRINTED AND ACKNOWLEDGED WORLDWIDE THAT IT PREDATES THE PLANNING DECISIONS BUT THE SCOTSMAN SELCTED THE WORDS "PASSED FEW MONTHS" TO DELIBERATELY MIS-REPRESENT THE DATES.

I cannot imagine why the Scotsman and the Labour Trolls would seek to make such claims unless SHOCKER they more interested in making up stories then dealing with the truth. David Maddox there is a job at the Daily Sport for your type of journalism. You should be ashamed of your distortion and lack of integrity.
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McGinty,

03/04/2008 11:25:42
Supporters think it's all about sand dunes? This man said one minute he's building a golf course. Then later it comes out in the wash 'Oh there's a few luxury homes as well.' He was also too stupid, arrogant, deceitful and greedy to appeal. If Wendy got hauled over the coals for 900 quid, he and his supporters should get the same treatment for playing games with the public about 500 houses. The majority of the people of Scotland may want a golf course, but they obviously don't want to be screwed around like this. Not just that, there's plenty Americans who know what he's like and would recommend we stay well clear. No doubt there are other developers out there who play by the rules and if he has a decent bone in his body, so should he and his supporters. It's not just about not liking him. It's about not liking knavery.
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HughB,

Edinburgh 03/04/2008 11:26:58
IF EVERYBODY LOOKS AT THE BBC WEBSITE ARTICLE ON THIS "BREAKING NEWS" (NOT), IT STATES THERE THAT THE INTERVIEW TOOK PLACE LAST NOVEMBER.

That was well before any of the Nicol Sleazin nonsense started up.

Let's not forget that Jack McConnell welcomed Donald Trump with open arms, and a helicoptor trip over the area. Why are Labour so against it now.

Political posturing, that's al it is.

THIS IS A CLEAR EXAMPLE OF HOW THE SCOTSMAN DELIBERATELY MANIPULATES THE TRUTH TO MAKE SURE IT FITS IN WITH THEIR MOTIVES!!!
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W U Merchant,

Aberdeen 03/04/2008 11:31:20
Alex, I bet you are sorry you ever got into bed with this numpty.
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Ciderman 542000,

Forres 03/04/2008 11:31:36
Union is Best, # 88

"Remember, hypocrisy and innuendo are our best friends on here!" I take every word you print literally, especially when the H+I is coming from the diminishing SNP support.
Said by me without the hint of a smirk or a snear.
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Union is Best,

03/04/2008 11:52:35
96. Ciderman, great post, especially love the phrase "diminishing SNP support" - nice one, see what you are doing - just ignore the SNP government and the polls, as they are inconvenient, and just lob one in! like it like it like it! Why not say something like "stratospherically popular, surging Labour support" in your next post, that will flummox them!
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Ciderman 542000,

Forres 03/04/2008 11:58:57
Union is Best # 97

Flummoxiing the Scottish population is Alec Salmond's job.
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Laylaslair,

Big Canoe, GA 03/04/2008 12:05:13
We in the USA cannot abide the man's arrogance. Trump is a jerk, pure and simple.
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Union is Best,

03/04/2008 12:06:19
98. Ciderman, great post, nice point - it contains just enough condescension and suggestion that the electorare are stupid. We can build on that later! Keep it up!
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Union is Best,

03/04/2008 12:07:09
99. Hey, I like the way you speak for the entire