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Published Date: 24 November 2006
ENGLAND must be given more political representation or the United Kingdom will be at risk of "constitutional instability", Charles Clarke, the former home secretary, will warn today.
In a speech in Edinburgh, Mr Clarke will become the most senior Labour figure so far to make the argument that constitutional change in Britain should not stop with devolution for Scotland and Wales.

While he stops short of supporting a full Engl
ish parliament, Mr Clarke insists that the UK government and parliament must do much more to recognise England's regions.

"I am not certain that this range of reforms has yet taken us to a new and stable constitutional equilibrium and it is even possible that some of the changes could lead to future instability unless the appropriate action is taken," Mr Clarke will tell an audience at Edinburgh University.

He enters the constitutional debate on the day that Tony Blair is in Scotland hoping to regain ground being lost to the SNP.

Constitutional issues are rising up the agenda: polls show increasing support for Scottish independence, and more and more MPs detect a growing sense of English nationhood.

A cross-party English Constitutional Convention was also launched last month.

Mr Clarke, who left the Cabinet in May, will argue that to reflect England's identity, government departments in London should be restructured "in a way which respects regional boundaries" south of the Border.

He will also call for the creation of select committees in the House of Commons reflecting English regions' interests.

"I think the current situation does not give sufficient priority to the needs of the English regions and so is potentially unstable," Mr Clarke will say. "It needs to be addressed."

Mr Clarke's analysis echoes that of the Labour-majority Scottish affairs committee of MPs, which warned in June that an English backlash against devolution could undermine Labour's constitutional framework.

Mr Clarke's speech sets out a broad vision of constitutional change, including more reform of the House of Lords, stripping prime ministers of their power to nominate peers.

Mr Blair himself is also focusing on constitutional issues this week, and the question of Scottish independence.

Speaking to the Scottish Labour conference in Oban today, Mr Blair will continue the economic offensive against the SNP he launched with an article in The Scotsman yesterday.

The Oban conference will be dominated behind the scenes by the SNP threat, particularly following First Minister Jack McConnell's admission on Wednesday night that there is "a real possibility" that the nationalists could win in May and "take Scotland to the brink of independence".

A YouGov poll, for the Daily Telegraph, shows Labour and the SNP almost neck-and-neck in the battle for Holyrood, with 32 per cent each on the constituency vote and only 1 per cent between them on the regional vote.



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  • Last Updated: 24 November 2006 12:09 AM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Devolution
 
1

TerryinSpringburn,

glasgow 24/11/2006 05:01:57

Surely John "Cowboy" Prescott was a more senior politician still, and he arranged the eight Regional Development Agencies/Assemblies in England which are the European Union's regional governments-in-waiting, to enforce devolution from Brussels, and by-pass Westminster.

Now Charles Clarke wants Westminster tailored to suit the EU.

2

Royster,

24/11/2006 05:27:23

The English won't buy it. They know when they are being sold a 'pig in a poke'.

3

Alastair the First,

24/11/2006 08:43:33

So Clarke considers Scotland to be on a par with an Enlish region, does he? He obviously doesn't realise that Scotland is a nation. Nations have parliaments, regions don't.

4

bill-alba,

Fife 24/11/2006 09:50:37

what the Westminster parliament needs to do is abolish itself and become the English parliament....
and NO federal solution either..

5

Rubbersnap,

Brigadoon 24/11/2006 09:59:15

#3 ... "So Clarke considers Scotland to be on a par with an Enlish region, does he? He obviously doesn't realise that Scotland is a nation. Nations have parliaments, regions don't"

Well, that's one of the main planks of the ongoing trouble we have with the English Parliament and authorities. To them, we've ALWAYS been one of the regions. Look at the BBC ... we come under "regional programming"... look at theatre ... outside of London, we're a "region" ...

Even since devolution ... we're STILL a region.

The UK has always been unstable because of the way London-based authority treats Northern English, Welsh, Irish, the Islands ... and us!

6

The west awake,

Argyll 24/11/2006 10:18:10

Royster 2- Don't bet on it, the Scots have been buying a pig in a poke for 300 years.

7

bill-alba,

Fife 24/11/2006 11:22:21

Did anyone watch Coast last night...They were in Ireland and when they (Irish) mentioned that Dublin was the 2nd city of empire and the commentator said no he had always been told that it was Glasgow...even the Irish person said that, that was what was sad about the Scots they've been lied to for 300 years..

8

Reiver,

London 24/11/2006 13:54:55

#8 Bill, no more so than they have lied to others and themselves for much longer than 300 years.

9

Reiver,

London 24/11/2006 13:56:47

The whole thing is nonsense ... put the right effort and energy into one Parliament and get it right by eliminating political parties and agendas (their vested interests have caused monies and time to be wasted).

10

Jakie,

Canada 24/11/2006 14:11:49

The politicians in Westminster should have set up a federal system of government for the U.K. like Australia and Canadarather than devolution. That way all four Home Countries could look after their own business and solve their own "Nationalist" problems.

11

The west awake,

24/11/2006 14:19:26

Jakie - Why not just go the whole hog and have a clean break? Seems to have worked for many many small European nations recently.
Whats so special about Britain? Where's the benefit?

12

TerryinSpringburn,

glasgow 24/11/2006 14:39:39

Through Labour, Brussels wants to turn Westminster into an English talking shop for nodding through predominantly EU legislation, and Whitehall into its proxy civil service.

Only fifty years after the US state department and intelligence community started secretly funding and directing the Euro-federalist movement, the project is entering its final stage.

13

English Borderer,

Carlisle 24/11/2006 14:56:38

How can England improve its representation through regions which massively failed their only democratic test?In England we live in Counties and we need to be represented by a Parliament.Ours(the oldest) was abolished along with that of Scotland in 1707.Scotlands has been expensively resurrected,the imbalance is because Englands hasn't.The Scots were asked whether they wanted devolution,no such choice offered to the English.We have been around for a while and will not go away,we demand a choice and after will demand a Parliament.

14

Royster,

24/11/2006 15:01:50

Imagine you have a parliament for the north of England. Where would you put it? Well, York would be the historical choice but that wouldn't go down well west of the Pennines in Manchester or Liverpool. A parliament in York could only govern Yorkshire (assuming Leeds didn't want to make a pitch but then what would Hull, Bradford and Sheffield say?). That means 2 Parliaments for the north of England; one based in York and another based in Lancaster (to stop Manchester and Liverpool going at each other with AK47s). But hang on a minute, what about Northumberland and Durham? Durham is the natural choice but Newcastle is the only real city in the area. That means 3 or 4 parliaments for the north of England. Hang on a minute, what about Westmoreland and Cumberland? Better bring in Carlisle as well otherwise we shall get east/west rivalry. Right, let's start on the Midlands. This whole devolution idea is a fiasco brought about by an incompetent Labour government. They won't admit that Holyrood is a huge mistake so they going down the same road to save face.

15

Royster,

24/11/2006 15:04:51

#4. An English government would make Westminster redundant so,as our American cousins say, "It's soooo not going to happen".

16

Joanna,

Cambs 24/11/2006 15:07:46

Who is going to pay for all these regional assemblies? Oh, I suppose it will be the taxpayer again .... New Labour, New Taxes.

There has already been a vote against this suggestion in the North East of England. Why not ask the whole of the country of England if they want an English Parliament, Mr Clarke....... go on I dare you...

17

TerryinSpringburn,

glasgow 24/11/2006 15:14:17

14. English Borderer - the eight Regional Development Agencies in England have already been given power to consult on various issues, Labour would make sure that any Assemblies added on to them are merely talking shops. You will have seen that John Prescott is trying to stifle local councillors and make them follow council officials' advice rather than represent their constituents.

England's public health function has already been extensively rewired around the RDAs. Other services are no doubt meant to follow suit.

18

Dave near the borders,

Hexham, Northumberland 24/11/2006 15:27:48

Clarke can shove it where the sun don't shine along with his ID Cards. The English want equality or independence, we are not interested in being torn a-apart for the pleasure of Central Government.

Either all 4 nations go independent or London becomes Federal UK Capital Territory and there are Parliaments in Edinburgh, York, Cardiff and Belfast with equal legislative power.

As this govenrment is determined to deny the latter, they make the former inevitable.

19

TerryinSpringburn,

glasgow 24/11/2006 15:41:10

19. Dave near the borders - or we could dissolve the Euro-region parliament and assemblies, reconfirm Westminster as the seat of British power, and make the MPs do their full proper jobs.

Communications and travel have never been so efficient, we don't need costly devolution, we need efficient democracy.

20

Derek,

Southampton,England 24/11/2006 15:55:05

New Labour really are a bad joke. What's an English constituency MP doing talking about English regional government to an Edinburgh audience?They can stick their regions. Only an independent England will do.
I bet Brown's worried. Let's hope the SNP do the business next year. He could be out of office quicker than he can say 'I'm British'.

21

rayjan,

Beverley 24/11/2006 16:15:00

Sirs,
Mr Clarke is once again promoting English Regions despite the fact that Mr Prescott's previous attempt failed miserably.
Just in case he and his New Labour friends are not aware,England is a large proud nation that comprises of "COUNTIES" not regions.
WE,just like the Scots ,Welsh and Irish would like the opportunity of having our own English Parliament, we read and hear constantly of the success of devolution in these countries and believe that free of a UK government we would also be successful.
Westminster could be our home ,after all this is where it all st arted.If their is need for some sort of UK goverment may I suggest this is in the White House.

Ray Brooke 17 Coopers Croft Leven Beverley
Tel 01964 503888

22

TerryinSpringburn,

glasgow 24/11/2006 16:17:43

Let's concentrate on the big picture: New Labour has loaded us all on a juggernaut of political change called the "Brussels Express". While we ordinary folk get on with our lives, one day it will pull into Brussels, and there on the platform to greet us will be Tony Blair's political guru, EU Commissioner Peter Mandelson. With open arms and a huge grin, he'll say, "I told you I was a fighter, that I had an irreducible core!"

23

Ken S.,

Reading, England 24/11/2006 16:38:14

Can't think of anything stunningly diferent to what's already been said above in opposition to English regional government. Certainly got to change from current tangled mess, whether or not Scotland goes independent. If it stays in the union, then either add an English parliament or revert to a single parliament for all UK (i.e. scrap devolved parliament/assemblies).

Campaign for English parliament website:
www.thecep.org.uk/

#22 Do you mean THE White House or is that the colour of your Yorkshire abode? :)

24

TerryinSpringburn,

glasgow 24/11/2006 16:47:34

Here is a short story about Britain and the EU:

http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=1688522006
(see post #21, and exclusive should be spelt with a "c")

25

Griffe,

24/11/2006 17:33:34

The English don't want this. All it will do is turn a single country into a number of competing"cantons". It would however suit the EU by reducing the united strength of the English in Europe.

26

Baw heid,

Hollaand 24/11/2006 20:17:29

26 Griffe
It would however suit the EU by reducing
theUNITED STRENGTH of the ENGLISH in Europe.
Funny statement,if Scots, Welsh and N. Irish come out of the EU, you would still have the same ammount of English in Brussels, in case you have
forgotten we are NOT English.

27

wattie>x 1,

24/11/2006 20:49:09

Why does New Labour champagne socialists persist in continually demeaning this nation by referring to it as a Region?
Don't these indolent, lying, political money grabbing careerists understand we Scots have one of the oldest nations in Europe?

28

The Gillie,

Denmark 24/11/2006 20:53:30

Well Griffe all i can say is that you english just can't help yourself. Your statement "reduce english power" underlines the mentality of the english and explains why the other UK component nations are tired of listening and want out.
In case you don't understand what i mean i'll spell it out for you. Shouldn't you have said "reduce Britains power".
The rest of the Uk is tired of exsisting only to make England feel good about itself and give its uneducated masses over inflated ideas of their own importance in the world. The sooner little England stands on the world map as that which it really is- which is a little part of an island the better.
Glen.

29

Ken S.,

Reading, England 24/11/2006 20:56:52

#27 please sir, don't want the English in Europe anyway, other than in friendly cooperation as trading partners rather than political masters.

I want self-determination for England, in same way as some/most Scots want it for themselves.
Another reason for rejecting regionalism, whether English fragmentation or defining Scotland as a region.

(If, contrary to some forecasts, Scots don't after all vote towards independence, then I would mean UK self-determination rather than Eurocracy)

30

Joanna,

Cambs 25/11/2006 10:12:11

.Ken @ 30

Well said

31

Derek,

Romsey,England 25/11/2006 10:19:15

I half agree with you The Gillie #29.It is time that England stands on the world map, as an independent country.
However, 85% of the DUK population live in England, so we are hardly 'a little part of an island', as you put it.
Many of us want out of this Disunited Kingdom. We'll do very nicely on our own thankyou. Whether or not an independent England remains in the EU will be up to the people of England to decide!

32

Philip,

Basildon, Essex 26/11/2006 15:03:51

Somebody should point out to Mr Clarke that we in England do not live in regions, we live in 39 places called counties that have been around for many hundreds of years and will continue to exist long after artificial entities such as "Greater London" and "Yorkshire (sic) and The Humber" have been consigned to the dustbin of history along with the likes of Cleveland, Avon and Humberside "county" councils. There is only one way to solve the problem that Mr Clarke refers to and that is England's independence (supported by 48% of people polled in todays Sunday Telegraph by the way) and as sure as night follows day it is coming whether the Scots vote for independence or not.

33

David B. Wildgoose,

Sheffield, ENGLAND 27/11/2006 08:55:20

27, 29: But it is us English who are Eurosceptic, not the other Home Nations whose nationalist parties all want to join the train wreck that is the Euro. So griffe's comment is accurate - it will fragment the power of the largest Eurosceptic bloc in the EU.

Of course the real question is why I have to read this news in a Scottish paper, and why MPs make these statements in Scotland. They're ignoring England. We were the only Home Nation not to get a vote on national devolution. In all things we are ignored and belittled. No more. We English have had enough.

34

Joe M.,

Edinburgh 28/11/2006 10:20:54

Scotland is not a region, it's a country. Once it becomes independent England will have the level of power it requires.

35

Joe M.,

Edinburgh 28/11/2006 10:21:22

London also has a devolved assembly and a Mayor.

Btw I'm not surprised England is sick of carpet bagger Brits like Gordon Brown and John Reid and wants to get shot off them, a more obvious shower of self serving gits would be impossible to imagine

36

Joe M.,

Edinburgh 28/11/2006 10:23:26

Maybe Scotland doesn't want to be part of a Euro Sceptic bloc and sees the British union as a much larger threat to our sovereign interests than the EU.

Some Scots share your views on the EU (the Free Scotland Party spring to mind) but the ultimate decision on membership should be taken by an independent Scotland not made for us by England.


 

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