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Published Date: 28 February 2008
SUDANESE President Omar al-Bashir declared yesterday that he would bar Danes from Sudan and told tens of thousands of people at a government-backed rally that the Muslim world should boycott Denmark because of a reprinted cartoon of the Prophet Muhammad.
"We urge all Muslims around the world to boycott Danish commodities, goods, companies, institutions, organisations and personalities," Mr Bashir told the crowd outside the Republic Palace in Khartoum.

Mr Bashir vowed that "not a single Danish foo
t will from now on desecrate the land of Sudan".

It was not clear whether Mr Bashir would act on his rhetoric and expel over two-dozen Danes who work in Sudan, mostly in aid organisations and as peacekeepers in southern Sudan and Darfur. Danish diplomats in Khartoum said they were not told of a new trade boycott and that Sudanese authorities had not notified them about expelling the Danes.

Seventeen Danish newspapers reprinted the cartoon showing Muhammad wearing a bomb-shaped turban this month in a gesture of solidarity after police in the Scandinavian country said they uncovered a plot to kill the cartoon's artist.

Sudan was one of the nations where large protests were held against Denmark in 2006 when the cartoon and 11 others depicting Muhammad and Islam were first published. In riots that followed around the Muslim world, dozens of people were killed and several Danish embassies were attacked, while Danish goods were boycotted.

But unlike the 2006 violence, Khartoum's rally yesterday passed peacefully. The rally failed to reach the one million participants called for by the organisers, the Popular Front for the Defence of Faith and Religion, which backs Mr Bashir's ruling National Congress party.

Protests against this month's reprinting elsewhere have also been low-key, mostly restricted to diplomatic condemnations. But in Pakistan, hundreds set fire to Danish flags and demanded the Danish ambassador's expulsion. Palestinians protested in the Gaza Strip, ruled by the militant Islamic Hamas, calling the reprint a heresy.

In Denmark, youths set hundreds of small fires for nearly two weeks in immigrant neighbourhoods. The cause for the unrest was unclear but some said it was a protest against police harassment. Other observers confirmed the reprinting of the cartoon aggravated the situation.

The Khartoum protest came a day after Sudan enforced a ban called by Mr Bashir on imports of Danish goods.

The central square was closed to traffic from early morning as hundreds of buses and lorries brought in protesters, who included women and students, from far-flung areas around the capital to downtown Khartoum. Nearby roads were also blocked and traffic slowed elsewhere in the city.

Danish exports to Sudan are minimal, consisting mainly of dairy products. In 2006, they amounted to $23 million, a drop of 26 per cent over the previous year. But Sudan is one of the largest recipients of Danish aid.

Danish humanitarian groups that operate there include the Danish Refugee Council and the Danish Red Cross, which runs large projects in Darfur.

'PRINT THEM EUROPE-WIDE'

GERMANY'S interior minister yesterday expressed respect for Danish newspapers' decision to reprint the cartoon and argued that all European newspapers should follow suit.

Wolfgang Schaeuble was quoted by the weekly Die Zeit as saying: "Actually, all European newspapers should now print these caricatures, with the explanation, 'We also find them lousy, but the exercise of press freedom is no reason to practise violence'."





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  • Last Updated: 27 February 2008 10:35 PM
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1

lobout,

Edinburgh 28/02/2008 00:09:55
Islam-the religion of tolerance and peace
2

Fanling,

Taiwan 28/02/2008 00:21:04
"SUDANESE President Omar al-Bashir declared yesterday that he would bar Danes from Sudan and told tens of thousands of people at a government-backed rally that the Muslim world should boycott Denmark because of a reprinted cartoon of the Prophet Muhammad."

What the hell would a Dane or anyone else from the non-Islamic world want to be in Sudan for anyway? Until brow-beaten medieval Muslims in such festering places are educated into the 21st century (an unlikely prospect) their world and ours will continue to suffer from the malignant disease called Islam.
3

Bien E. Bien,

28/02/2008 00:36:18
Printing (and re-printing) images of Mohammad that are offensive to many? Oh yes: freedom of expression!

Claiming that the holocaust never really happened, or happened on a far smaller scale than is generally accepted? NO!!!
4

oder,

Scotland 28/02/2008 01:00:56
"The central square was closed to traffic from early morning as hundreds of buses and lorries brought in protesters, who included women and students, from far-flung areas around the capital to downtown Khartoum. Nearby roads were also blocked and traffic slowed elsewhere in the city."

Salaam!
How many from Southern Sudan Mr President? after the warriors of peace of passed through the place? are there any Christians left? tolerance? from an Islamic government that shows only intolerance,wherther its cartoons in another country, or Teddy bears in yours!or Christians in the south,
if you wish to live in the 7th century that's your business, but you should not expect the rest of the world to follow suit,the world tolerates your extremist view ,then Muslims should learn to tolerate the west extremist view of "freedom of expression" go and find a couple of more statues of the peace loving Buddha for your Islamic vandals to blow up, yeah!I know Islam is tolerant of others beliefs, ask the Buddhists.

As-Salaamu-Aleikum!
5

John Blackley,

Winter Garden, FL 28/02/2008 02:22:12
"SUDANESE President Omar al-Bashir told tens of thousands of people that the Muslim world should boycott Denmark."

Oh that is so precious! This devout sponsor of the christian-killing, child-raping Janjaweed is getting his burka in a bunch because of a cartoon!

For the love of peace, Omar, by all means boycott the Danish. And then sit down and shut up.
6

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28/02/2008 02:32:59
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28/02/2008 03:03:00
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W Smith,

Middle East 28/02/2008 03:16:20
Believe it or not Sudan's economy is booming - but only in the arab north.

China is buying about 40% of Sudan's oil with a new chinese built pipline leading to the coast for exporting purposes.

We have here at least four ingredients:

1) Apartheid rule - wealthy arabs ruling over poor blacks

2) Brutality of the blacks by their arab masters.

3) Slavery - as black 'servants' can be bought and sold like cattle.

This is not against the Koran then Mr Saeed?

4) Rich poor divide as the north prospers and the south suffers.

This is where the Scottish Lefties start shouting right?

I'm sure Galloway and Osama Saeed are planning to protest against the genocide in the Sudan - or do these guys only raise their voice when the victims are muslims?
9

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28/02/2008 03:27:44
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10

Lynne,

USA 28/02/2008 03:50:56
truthsleuth..Well said..
11

Sensor,

28/02/2008 05:03:11
Truthslueth & Lynne

Would you accept images printed depicting nasty looking Jews with large hooked noses and blood dripping from their hands?

Would you accept images of Moses resplendent in Hitleresque moustashe and Nazi armband?

Would you accept cartoon images of Jewish school children being shown how to exaggerate simple addition?

Denmark being brave? One of the most WASP states in Europe generating paper sales and hit counts is not brave. If they did a similar series of images about Jews and Christians (under the guise of freedom of speech), then that would be brave.
12

steve's here,

28/02/2008 05:22:56
note to self,,,buy more danish goods
13

Siroos,

UK 28/02/2008 05:23:18
I think everone should COOL it and stop talking emotionally.
What you can see is the clash of TWO very different civilisations. One is dominated to move forward and rid itself from nonesense and become democratic.
The other can NOT move forward due to it's nature.
Islam is a cult like religeon. It will not allow modern thinking - democratic ideas - to flourish.
Study SHARIA LAW if you do not believe me.
How many ISLAMIC DEMOCRATIC nations do you know of?
Iraq may become one. But only thanks to Bush and Blair.
14

Conan,

Chile 28/02/2008 05:58:15
#10 ..... not that you mention it; where is Guga? I haven't seem him/her/it post for a while.
15

Media 1,

cape town 28/02/2008 07:24:06
Sudan boycotts Danish products..hahahahaha
Do they have time to eat in Sudan with all the war and incompetence.
Hahahaha!
What happens if the entire westen world publishes mohammed cartoon?
Will Sudan then boycott electricity, cars, aeroplanes,steel, bricks, cement, nylon, cotton, pens, pencils, western medicine, petrol, computers, the internet, paper, kettles, micorwaves, ovens, lighters,matches etc...hahahaha dont the Africans make you laugh.
16

carrottop,

Dumfries 28/02/2008 07:46:03
Got to admire the Danes, a shrewd way of cutting the aid bill.
Maybe UK could follow suite and publish cartoons that will bring all our poncers out in the open.
17

McMillar,

Fife 28/02/2008 08:13:17
Well done! The Danes always have a strong independent streak and a warped sense of humour….that’s why we get on so well with them. Barred from Sudan – gutted.
18

Fanling,

Taiwan 28/02/2008 08:27:53
"... tens of thousands of people at a government-backed rally ..."

Is the figure verifiable? And would that would be the always up for a laugh Rent-a-Mob (Islam) Inc., ready to assemble in a jiff, complete with flag- and effigy-burning gear? "Government-backed" in this case is more like government-ordered.

#22 McMillar,Fife
True. Last sentence ... LOL!


19

waldenman,

edinburgh 28/02/2008 08:32:20
Sudan to boycott Danish goods.

So no more lager, pork or bacon products then?
20

waldenman,

edinburgh 28/02/2008 08:59:55
By the way, why do the mainstream media always precede the name of Muhammad with the epithet of "Prophet" as if it were a universally accepted truth?
In the interests of balance shouldn't Jesus always then be reffered to as "Lord and Saviour"?

Just a thought.
21

Gothic Rose,

28/02/2008 10:02:19
Sensor 13#

"Exaggerate simple addition" Please, for this dummy could you explicate?
22

Sensor,

28/02/2008 10:49:11
26 Gothic Rose

Is explication required? Re-read the post at 13. If a small percentage of Muslims are "deeply disturbed" about the Danish "brave" decision to reprint silly images, i would like to know the percentage of Jewish people who would be "deeply disturbed" by similarly negative images of their faith and if the printers of such cartoons would too be regarded as "brave".

Any news paper producing derogatory images and messages regarding Judaism will soon see a reaction. Writers and historians who promote their opinion regarding the Holocaust are thrown in jail and vilified.

The foundation of morality is the equal application of moral tests.
23

Findlay Thompson,

28/02/2008 11:09:32
Religion, religion, religion...

Point's to ponder.

Posters, would the world be a happier place if religion was banned globally.
24

Urban Guerrilla,

Edinburgh 28/02/2008 11:13:25
The Scotsman, and every other British newspaper, should print the cartoons on the front page on the same day as a gesture of support for free speech. It's a disgrace that no national newspaper has printed them prominently so far.
25

oder,

Scotland 28/02/2008 11:46:07
27 Sensor,

when the cartoons were printed for the first time hundred of thousands Muslims a cross the world went on the rampage,church,temples and other places of worship of other faiths were attack and
burnt,Christians,Buddists and other faiths were killed and all done apparently by moderate Muslims these were not extremists, 98% of the worlds Muslims never saw the cartoons. and safe to say 98% will not see them this time either.

you said
If a small percentage of Muslims are "deeply disturbed" about the Danish "brave" decision to reprint silly images, i would like to know the percentage of Jewish people who would be "deeply disturbed" by similarly negative images of their faith and if the printers of such cartoons would too be regarded as "brave".

well there plenty of that going around the world generally, and more especially in the Muslim world, how many Jews threatening suicide bombings? it would`nt be many!

I think you are being over generous with your small percentage of deeply disturbed" Muslims

Muslims have no problem in giving offence to other beliefs their justification for that is the Koran, it says so! Islam is both political and religious and cant be separated, unlike the west were we are secular.

you said

The foundation of morality is the equal application of moral tests.

yes! but only when both parties are prepared to except
that both are equal! however you and I are only equal to a Muslim when we revert back to Islam. (Muslims believe we are all born Muslims) Muslim have no right to be offended! they offend other faiths and beliefs all the time, there are no mass rampaging in the west over them poking fun at us Christian/Jews alike



26

saneatheist,

Shetland 28/02/2008 12:07:04
Every newspaper in Europe should print the bloody cartoons, every day until the Muslims become "desensitised" to them.
No Danish lager! No Danish bacon! Who'd be a Muslim?
27

Audrey,

28/02/2008 12:09:38
oder #31

Fully agreed.

*****The Sword of Militant Islam*****
http://www.masada2000.org/islam.html

(Islamists Destroy Buddhist Statue)
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,515958,00.html

28

Audrey,

28/02/2008 12:14:38
Grushka #30

I believe Sensor is Finnking, if not then Djookers. New day another new ID created. That’s what he usually do. When the topic is on Islam, he would make his points by switching to talk on Christianity or Judaism, then start to make comparison after comparison. If it were about Muslims, he will soon change topic to talking about Jews and Christians, making comparison after comparison. But when the topic is on Christianity, he will keep real quiet, you don’t see his posts making comparison after comparison to criticize Islam. That’s his nature. Look at Infidel posts to him:


http://news.scotsman.com/world/Fresh-row-over-Prophet-cartoon.3781445.jp

#29: “When attacking one religion, must one always attack all others at the same time too? So if I want to attack Catholicism, should I also take a swipe at Protestant and Orthodox churches at the same time - for balance? One can only cram a limited amount into these posts, and if the topic is Islam then one should stick to that topic. Beside the presence of pedophile sentiments in other holy texts in no way excuses Mohammed's pedophilia, or undermines the arguments above. You might as well argue that any discussion of Hitler's crimes must be balanced by those of Stalin."

#30: “I'm having to start another post now because I was reaching the limit with the previous one. See what I mean about being able to cram only a limited amount into these posts? Hence the need to keep on topic, and not waste space by adding "balance" to one's arguments about Mohammed by mentioning also the shortcomings of others who have no relevance to the debate.”
29

belzebub,

edinburgh 28/02/2008 12:33:17

I for one will no longer buy jam with golliwogs on it which I assume is Sudanese. Anyone for a Danish pastry ?
30

overton,

aberdeen 28/02/2008 12:40:22
Here is a very well informed site:

http://jihadwatch.org/
31

oder,

Scotland 28/02/2008 13:26:20
28 Findlay Thompson,28/02/2008

Religion, religion, religion...

Point's to ponder.

Posters, would the world be a happier place if religion was banned globally.


Actually No it would not, man has been killing each other for thousands of years long before religion made an appearance, for what ever reason! if religion was banned man would find another reason to wage war on one another, the problem is man not religion.
32

Fanling,

Taiwan 28/02/2008 13:28:16
Schmeichel, great muckle Dane that you are ... you are the weakest (pork sausage) link. No Sudan for you my lad.
33

Gothic Rose,

28/02/2008 14:06:04
27#Sensor.
Still do not get the connection.[with regards to your third paragraph]This makes you guilty of,obscufication which,only serves to demonstrate the "Sophism" of your arguement.
34

Sensor,

28/02/2008 14:16:16
Oder 31

"when the cartoons were printed for the first time hundred of thousands Muslims a cross the world went on therampage,church,temples and other places of worship of other faiths were attack and burnt"

"Hundred(s) of thousands", Oder? Don't think so. Also, even if true, out of a total of 1.5 BILLION muslims, that's a fraction.

"Christians,Buddists and other faiths were killed and all done apparently by moderate Muslims these were not extremists"

Sounds pretty extreme to me. Do you have proof of the claims?

"how many Jews threatening suicide bombings? it would`nt be many!"

No, that faith is blessed with an assortment of sophisticated weapon system, government influence and media/consumer power. Suicide bombing is the poor's weapon of choice.

"however you and I are only equal to a Muslim when we revert back to Islam."

The same can be said for Judaism but I don't hear you getting annoyed about the lack of mixed marriages or the principle of the Gentile in that faith.

"Muslims believe we are all born Muslims"

I know many Muslims and they don't believe that. Maybe you are thinking of the Bible in which it says that we are all God's Children?

"Muslim have no right to be offended!"

Do the Jews have a right to be offended?

"there are no mass rampaging in the west over them poking fun at us Christian/Jews alike "

And here we have it: US and THEM, it finally it comes out, the inherently fascist mindset; US and THEM.

I am neither a Jew nor a Christian, so please don't use "us".





35

Sensor,

28/02/2008 14:18:57
Gothic Rose 40

There is a great deal of debate regarding the veracity of the death toll during the Holocaust. I was asking if Lynne et al would be 'happy' to see cartoons depicting Jewish children learning how to exaggerate figures to enhance sympathy.

I would be offended by that. Just asking if they would be too.

36

Findlay Thompson,

28/02/2008 14:21:24
oder

Good point...but what about abuse & control of the common man. The Roman Catholic church for example - how did it manage to yeild so much power in the middle ages?? The clergy were educated people the vast majority of their flock un-educated. They hold their religious rites in Latin, a dead language. What was their ignorant flock to make of this? The clergy were at gods right hand, the clergy could speak directly to god, obey the clergy without question, otherwise fear the wrath of god. The clergy could pick & choose at their discretion who could rule a domain. What limits did they have...Very few.
37

Urban Guerrilla,

Edinburgh 28/02/2008 14:26:37
#41, if people can't see a silly cartoon without wanting to blow up embassies and kill people, then their susceptibilities aren't worth considering.

They should grow up - and to help them do this, the Scotsman and every other British newspaper should print the cartoons on their front pages tomorrow morning so that no-one can escape seeing them.
38

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28/02/2008 14:41:15
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Roberta Burns,

28/02/2008 14:44:23
38 oder, And, for once, Odour got it right. It is MAN as in MALE that is common denominator in all violent conflict.
40

Media 1,

cape town 28/02/2008 14:46:37
The Scotsman should find an asian lad called mohammed. Then do a caricature of him, and pay him 20 quid for his time.
THEN!
You put it in the paper under the heading "Mohammed" Did this for a profit.......

Technically, you are not portraying the prophet mohammed, you are portraying the dude Mohammed. What the qaran say aboot that? Is it ok to call a human Mohammed, but not a cartoon?
What is the actual rules of engagement with the Muslim faith? Are there any rules? Or do people just invent their own, taking the bits they like and ignoring the bits they cant handle.
Is mohammed the pimp who provides the 72 virgins for a bit of bump and grind with the terrorising scum?
41

Media 1,

cape town 28/02/2008 14:50:55
#45 Roberta Burns

The cartoons were humorous, they were nothing more. The muslim's who got offended are nothing more than useless chip on the shoulder nobodies, and we should laugh out loud at them...These Jewish cartoons you want to see. What is the context that you want to see them in? Are you suggesting that in order to take the pi$$ out of one religion you are obliged to take the p1$$ out of all religions?
Remember the teddybear incident in Sudan? Did you see the savage reactions? I rest my case....
42

Roberta Burns,

28/02/2008 14:54:02
47# Better still, why not find 72 jewish virgins and watch them bump and grind with men called mohammed - or even one 72 year old catholic virgin. Now, would that suit people like you?
43

Roberta Burns,

28/02/2008 14:55:53
48# It's about balance. If one social entity is fair game, then so is another.
44

P.K,

28/02/2008 14:57:08
#33

Audrey, your link on "The Sword of Militant Islam" caught my eyes. I will have it saved in my Notebook. Thanks.
45

Roberta Burns,

28/02/2008 15:03:22
51# And for some balance try this link PK http://youtube.com/watch?v=s7hz83K9-LM
46

Urban Guerrilla,

Edinburgh 28/02/2008 15:06:44
#50, yes, and it's high time that Islam was fair game, just like any other religion. Christianity is made fun of continually in the media, and quite right too. It's a free country - or, at least, it should be.
47

P.K,

28/02/2008 15:07:14
#52

No thanks. Haven't you read my comment on the other thread? I do not treat your posts seriously! I thought you knew it.
48

Media 1,

cape town 28/02/2008 15:14:12
People like me dont take offence to silly drawings or words...
I couldnt care less if the Scotsman slagged of the jews, the catholics or the proddies, but I tell you this much. If they did, I doubt there would be mass demonstrations,burning effigees and car bombings along with baying mobs wielding pangas and machettes.
49

Lynne,

USA 28/02/2008 15:24:07
#13..#42..Arab papers have just those cartoons of Jews you were discussing...very often. No one see hundreds of thousands of Jews railing against them.
50

Lynne,

USA 28/02/2008 15:25:48
Rob/ert Burns..or one of your many ID's I am entitled to get some sleep. I don't see you sitting and keyboarding away all night long either.
51

Lynne,

USA 28/02/2008 15:29:36
Rob/erta Burns..calling me from Arab hater is pretty tragic coming from a Jew hater.
52

James Donald,

Newbridge 28/02/2008 16:00:15
#58 Lynne,USA - But you are an Arab hater. Why deny it? Personally I can't see much of a difference between Arabs and Israelis; both hot headed and prone to outburst of violence.
Think I'll have a glass of Tuborg this evening to show my solidarity with our Danish friends and allies.
53

Sensor,

28/02/2008 16:03:53
Roberta

It's incredible that most of the people who shout about free speech are from the US of A, a nation with censorship laws that border on the draconian. (Including a law that explicitly outlaws a boycott of Israeli goods.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_the_United_States

Or in the UK:
"Visions of Ecstasy is a 1989 short (19 minutes) film directed by Nigel Wingrove.

It was refused certification by the British Board of Film Classification because of scenes featuring a sexualised representation of Saint Teresa of Ávila caressing the body of Jesus on the cross. The BBFC felt that the scenes could potentially make the film liable to prosecution for blasphemy. "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visions_of_Ecstasy

A dutch Islamic web site posted some cartoons; one with Hitler in bed with Anne Frank (Hitler saying, "Now write that in your diary"). This cartoon was condemned by the ADL (as was the "Danish cartoons").

Do the USA Jewish lobby on this site regard this cartoon as a perfectly acceptable form of expression and a fine example of free speech?
54

Sensor,

28/02/2008 16:05:13
59
James Donald

Make sure you buy it from a Muslim shop keeper!
55

Lynne,

USA 28/02/2008 16:08:34
James Donald..I am not an Arab hater.. I just dislike Islamofacists, and Radical Extremists.
I am not going to fall into your line. You and the other Jew haters here always do this. Turn it around, twist the words, apologize for the the terrorists.
Not going to work.
56

Sensor,

28/02/2008 16:18:07
If the Muslims had the real power that the Jews have, they would simply express their discontent at the government involved, in exactly the same way Jewish people did when Croatian rock star Marko Perkovic wanted to tour Australia. The Jews regarded him "anti-semitic" and simply asked the Aussie gov to ban him. Mission Accomplished. The Muslims in the western world do not have that type of leverage.
57

Urban Guerrilla,

Edinburgh 28/02/2008 16:20:01
#63, yes they do - hence no cartoons printed in our newspapers!
58

oder,

Scotland 28/02/2008 16:27:37
41 Sensor,/finnking?

If cartoons or teddy bears can have people baying for blood and people killed because of it,there is something seriously wrong there were hundreds of thousands on the streets, in various countries in one far eastern country a million on the streets! verified by the authorities in those country. you seem to have missed the point! 98% did not see the cartoons so what left? 2% try your "takiya" somewhere else
the topic was about Sudan/Denmark with it religious/democratic overtones nothing to do with the Jews

you said

"The same can be said for Judaism but I don't hear you getting annoyed about the lack of mixed marriages or the principle of the Gentile in that faith."

Both Christian and the Jewish faith allow the equal treatment of other faith were Islam does not, Apes and pigs are the other people of faith according to Islam. not true believers, read in the Koran.

you said
I know many Muslims and they don't believe that. Maybe you are thinking of the Bible in which it says that we are all God's Children?

A nothing like being an expert "I know a Muslim" the other great Prophet of the Muslims is "Abraham "
but he was a Jew wasnt he , and the other one Noah! he was also jew, great believers in the jews eh? do you believe that?

you said
The same can be said for Judaism but I don't hear you getting annoyed about the lack of mixed marriages or the principle of the Gentile in that faith.

I made no reference to such nonsense!

the rest of your post is meaningless

tell you what don't you speak for "them" and I wont speak for "us"

46 Roberta Burns,

Didnt you know you can only pick up the odour when you keep your nose to close to your rear end? ah! well it takes all kinds I suppose, just dont call it "bumophobia"





59

Sensor,

28/02/2008 16:29:33
Urban

Or, simply, the UK media understands that freedom of speech is a function of respect and responsibility. Perhaps they understand the original setting of the original cartoon story. Maybe they feel no need to deliberately offend. Perhaps they comprehend the crassness of publishing these cartoons under the justification of freedom of speech.

If the muslim community in the UK had the same power that the jewish community enjoys, Private Eye would not have been the only paper to publish the truth behind the Danish cartoon debacle.
60

Lynne,

USA 28/02/2008 16:30:07
Dutch Islam film 'nearly ready' Far-right Dutch MP Geert Wilders has said that this week he will finish a film about Islam which has already triggered Muslim outrage.
Mr Wilders said he was determined to release the film despite government warnings that this would damage Dutch political and economic interests.
Mr Wilders says the film is about the Koran, without giving details.
In the past, he has called for the Koran to be banned and likened it to Adolf Hitler's Mein Kampf.
The project has already been condemned by several Muslim countries, including Iran and Pakistan.
61

Lynne,

USA 28/02/2008 16:32:00
Everyone can expect the man will have to leave his country, go into hiding,and fear for his life.
We will probably see rioting in the streets in Europe, Asia, and Africa.
62

Lynne,

USA 28/02/2008 16:33:29
Sensor..How big a Jewish community is there, that they weild so much power?!!
63

Urban Guerrilla,

Edinburgh 28/02/2008 16:33:43
#66, if people are so childish and idiotic as to get offended by silly cartoons, they deserve to be shocked in order to help them grow up.
64

Lynne,

USA 28/02/2008 16:33:46
wield...sorry
65

oder,

Scotland 28/02/2008 16:55:12
43 Findlay Thompson,28

as you say it true,but all these things you mention have changed over time now most people are educated and moved on, the church and state today are totally separate identities, so while we can condemn the excesses of the church in the past the church of today has a better and cleaner image, we often compare Christianity to Islam today but Islam is stuck in 7th century and unlike Christianity unable progress.
definitely better to be secular it takes all believers, non believers, atheists Christians , Muslims black, white etc.
66

Sensor,

28/02/2008 16:59:30
65 Oder (yet another) Liar and Manipulator

Please refer me to a source for the claim that one million people demonstrated in one place? Without that data being verified your point regarding the numbers who actually saw the cartoon is rather off. I would also point out that I didn't see photos of the Ripper murders but I still deplore such violence.

Regarding equal treatment; please refer me to the chapters in the Quran that says "Apes and pigs are the other people of faith".

You originally said, "Muslims believe we are all born Muslims" without any validity. Although I am not a muslim (my faith is my business)I do have Muslim friends, some active,most not. Your response is ridiculous.

You originally said "however you and I are only equal to a Muslim when we revert back to Islam." to which I replied at 41 with "The same can be said for Judaism but I don't hear you getting annoyed about the lack of mixed marriages or the principle of the Gentile in that faith."

You respond at 65 to that with "I made no reference to such nonsense!" which you evidently did.

If the remainder of my post was meaningless to you then I assume that this post is too beyond your comprehension.

"tell you what don't you speak for "them" and I wont speak for "us""

I will do whatever I want to do.






67

Sensor,

28/02/2008 17:04:46
68 Lynne

"Everyone can expect the man will have to leave his country, go into hiding,and fear for his life."

Do you agree to Holocaust deniers being rounded up, vilified, threatened, and thrown in jail for expressing their opinions?

69 Lynne

"How big a Jewish community is there, that they weild so much power?!!"_regrading the Aussie ban of Croate singer.

Simply look up the name on google and you will see the story. Do you seriously deny that people of Jewish faith hold considerable power in western governments?

68

Sammy25,

28/02/2008 17:12:04
These cartoons were printed and the fuss ensued. Everything has now died a natural death. Leaving aside the question of free speech, why is everything being stirred up again. Stir it up for the Muslims. Enough.
69

Sensor,

28/02/2008 17:12:06
66 Urban

I am sure that you too have some aspect of life, history, morality, faith etc that you hold sacrosanct. Example, would you you regard a reaction to a cartoon of the Pope sodomising a child as "silly"? I doubt it. A cartoon that depicted black people as stupid with the word "n*gg*r" on it? I doubt it. Therefore there are limits.

To push the line on particular religious faith and call it Freedom of Speech is crass at best.
70

Lynne,

USA 28/02/2008 17:42:19
Sensor..do I agree Holocaust deniers should be rounded up and jailed? No. It's a matter of opinion. I feel if these people can actually believe what they believe, when all the proof of this horrendous happening had happened, and they can live with themselves and their denials..so be it. They will only answer later at their own judgement.
One has to only visit a holocaust museum, watch a documentary to see the images. If they want to deny it, nothing or no one is ever going to change their mind. It's wasted emotion, and a huge waste of time.

You can see it here. On these posts.. on other threads..no matter how many times the history of Israel is given, no matter how many times, one explains the Arab wars, or even the holocaust..there are many here who are deaf and blind. No minds are changed. They just troll from post to post, thread to thread repeating the same things over and over again...with little or nothing to back up what they say.

71

Sensor,

28/02/2008 17:59:51
77 Lynne

So, you believe in full, complete, total, unequivocal freedom of speech?

There's no problem in showing the Hitler in bed with Anne Frank cartoon? No issue for you with, say, a cartoon of the Pope sodomising a child or Moses with an Israeli flag and a bomb in his hair?

PS In my opinion no one in their right mind would deny the existence in history of the Holocaust.
72

Lynne,

USA 28/02/2008 18:04:42
Sensor..
In America, we protect all speech, even the most hurtful lies. We allow a virtual free-for-all by which laws are adopted, enforced, and interpreted. Hundreds of millions of dollars are spent yearly to influence this process; thousands of groups vie for influence. Among these are Jewish groups that have come under renewed criticism for being part of an all-powerful "Israel lobby."

Jewish groups are influential. They also largely agree that the United States should support Israel. But the notion that they have anything like a uniform agenda and that U.S. policy in Israel and the Middle East is the result of this influence is simply wrong.
Some critics seem overly impressed with the way of thinking that says to itself, "Since there is a huge Arab Islamic world out there with all the oil, and it is opposed to this tiny little Israel with no natural resources, then realistically the United States has to be on the Arab side and against Israel on every issue, and since this isn't the case, there must be some underhanded Jewish plot at work." This is a conspiracy theory, pure and simple.
73

Roberta Burns,

28/02/2008 18:04:56
77# So, who is going to sit in judgement, then?
Lynne, you have been brainwashed - it's what religions do, and anyone who registers dissent, are regarded as less than human (trolls to you). All of the other victims of nazi and other war criminals do not trawl the world for sympathy and squeeze it dry - the jews do. And, not all the other victims have the means to create their own victims (Palestinians to you)and cry foul when the decent majority criticise them.
74

Lynne,

USA 28/02/2008 18:05:23
continued..

The United States supports Israel not because of favoritism based on political pressure or influence but because the American people, and their leaders, say that supporting Israel is politically sound and morally just.
We are a great nation. Mostly, we make good decisions. We are not babes in the woods. We act in our own interests. And when we mistakenly conclude from time to time -- as we will -- that an action or policy is in America's interest, we must take responsibility for the mistake.
So, on every level, those who blame Israel and its Jewish supporters for U.S. policies they do not support are wrong. They are wrong because, to begin with, support for Israel is in our best interests. They are also wrong because Israel and its supporters have the right to try to influence U.S. policy. And they are wrong because the U.S. government is responsible for the policies it adopts, not any other state or any of the myriad lobbies and groups that battle daily -- sometimes with lies -- to win America's support.

75

Urban Guerrilla,

Edinburgh 28/02/2008 18:11:43
#76, I'd regard both as offensive, but it's a free country (or it should be) and I'd allow them to be published. Of course I would, even though they refer to people living today and not merely to some historical figure who lived nearly a millennium and a half ago.

Free speech is vital. And yes, I do believe that anyone who gets into a stew about cartoons is silly and deserves no respect. They should get a life and then get a sense of proportion!
76

Lynne,

USA 28/02/2008 18:12:51
Rob/erta Burns/whoever..
I have a belief in G-d. You may not. You are entitled to your opinion. I am not imposing my belief on you, and hope that you will do the same.
It's not a matter of being brainwashed. It's a matter how one conducts themselves through life. I feel the 10 Commandments are my answer, also how my parents raised my sister and me. This is good for me.
Maybe not you...but for me.
77

Urban Guerrilla,

Edinburgh 28/02/2008 18:15:00
#76, > I am sure that you too have some aspect of life, history, morality, faith etc that you hold sacrosanct. <

Yes. Free speech. Far more important to me than making fun of some old bloke who lived back in the seventh century!
78

Roberta Burns,

28/02/2008 18:18:08
Lynne, the image you raise of americans is precisely why the rest of the world holds its current legislature in contempt. And you seem happy for the jewish lobby to take responsiblity for it. Well done, Lynne. I thought we would never get through to you.

A couple of more tweaks at your consciousness is in order, however, before we get you on the right track. Rwanda and Darfur are just two examples of taking horror to its limits, way beyond that of the nazi war crimes - and no doubt Iraq will join that in due course.

The Israeli marketing strategy has run its course. Too many people are now questioning the morality of the israeli state, and are not buying into it. Except, of course the uneducated in the us of a.
79

Lynne,

USA 28/02/2008 18:27:58
Rob/erta Burns and company of names..You are doing it again. The idea of an Israeli lobby is a myth...stop twisting my words to suit you.
You give me too much credit. I do not care what the world thinks of the the US..we do what we have to do..if it doesn't meet your standards of us..too bad.
See how you twist what I say?
I am disgusted (not the right word...there really are none) by what has happened in Rwanda and Dafur..Something has to be done to stop this...but I am always on an Israeli thread..defending them, so none knows my views about this.
I do not like injustice for anyone.
And when you state too many people are questioning the Israeli state and not buying it..that is where you are wrong. It's the Palestinians and their problems that people are questioning. How Pallywood works, how manipulations of hundreds and thousands of people and resources is working, and the thefts and loss of money, and the trails that are left behind.
Please, don't twist my words to fit your agenda.
80

Lynne,

USA 28/02/2008 18:33:28
odor...are you sure Sensor is Finnking? G-d, I can't keep up with all the names..this is so stupid!!
81

Lynne,

USA 28/02/2008 18:34:29
oder..sorry..i misspelled it.
82

ebbi,

spain 28/02/2008 18:48:49
oh what a disaster.i was really looking forward to go to sudan for my holidays!!!!now it is all ruined.president bashir is very unfair to non believers.well i guess i'd have to go to spain or greece now and spend my money there where it will be appreciated not in a god forsaken place that can hardly survive without our handouts.i wonder if this is a general opinion of the sudanese or just the president's since he has no worries about feeding his children.
83

57Nomad,

california 28/02/2008 19:13:22
#60 Censor

Censor said:

"It's incredible that most of the people who shout about free speech are from the US of A, a nation with censorship laws that border on the draconian.

What in the hell are you talking about? Draconian censorship laws. Name one. While you are scratching your tiny, sharply sloped forehead trying to come up with something take a look at this. This is the first amendment to the US Constitution:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

This, my badly mistaken little friend, is the supreme law of the land and may not be violated by any level of government at anytime.

You tip your hand with the following statement:

"A dutch Islamic web site posted some cartoons; one with Hitler in bed with Anne Frank (Hitler saying, "Now write that in your diary"). This cartoon was condemned by the ADL (as was the "Danish cartoons").
Do the USA Jewish lobby on this site regard this cartoon as a perfectly acceptable form of expression and a fine example of free speech?"

I'm not sure you know what censorship means. Maybe this will help. Censorship means the proscription of freedom of expression by the government. Got that? Your question is absolutely meaningless. Let me put it this way. Suppose someone were to print a cartoon of your mother in bed and in a compromising position with the family dog. Would you 'a perfectly acceptable form of expression and a fine example of free speech?' I don't think you would. You may even threaten the person who drew the cartoon and the paper that printed it. I would if it was me. Quick trip to knuckletown. Does that in anyway imply censorship? Absolutely not. Why because censorship only has meaning within the context of LEGAL restraints, not public pressure, not boycotts,
84

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 28/02/2008 19:16:04
The President of Sudan is yet another sorry example of Islamic autocrats and deniers of freedom of speech and artistic expression.

That tyrant is forever quoting the Koran which just goes to prove that it is a work of fiction dreamed up by a very flawed "prophet".
85

James Donald,

Newbridge 28/02/2008 20:26:03
#61 Sensor,28/02/2008 - "Make sure you buy it from a Muslim shop keeper!" - Not an option since there are no Muslims in my village let alone shopkeepers (only 4 shops). Still some Americun posters think the whole country is being swapped with "Islamofascist" (whatever they are).
86

James Donald,

Newbridge 28/02/2008 20:32:31
#62 Lynne,USA - "I am not an Arab hater.. I just dislike Islamofacists, and Radical Extremists" - Yeah right. You'll be telling me you don't condone the use of torture or nuclear weapons next.
"You and the other Jew haters here always do this. Turn it around, twist the words, apologize for the the terrorists" - Ah, the familiar smears of the Zionist nutbar. Where in my 5 line post did you actual see "Jew hatred" and/or apologies for terrorists?. I'm starting to think you may be a bit more than just a couple of sandwiches short of a picnic......
87

Lynne,

USA 28/02/2008 20:56:26
James Donald...at it again? Thought there was a truce!! Poor you, still apologizing for the terrorists.
Well, if you don't know what an Islamofacist is, or a Radical Extremist..I advise you to look it up...can't hurt to learn something.
Then again, your mind is too closed.
And you must be the idiot, that some muslim village is looking for.
88

James Donald,

Newbridge 28/02/2008 21:11:17
#94 Lynne,USA - "Poor you, still apologizing for the terrorists" - That settles it for me; you are obviously seeing thing but then old age does not come by itself, ya daft auld bat.
Hitch up your skirts....your anti-Arab slip is showing (again).

89

Roberta Burns,

28/02/2008 21:27:15
94# So, at last, Lyndypoops, you reveal your position. The term Islamofascist is a buzzword introduced and used by the US Neocons and Bush makes a point of repeating the word in his anti-democratic and oh so 'intelligent' tirades against Hezbollah and Hamas. THE WORD HAS NO MEANING OUTSIDE THE MINDS OF THE LOONIE TUNES IN THE WASHINGTON. But, it is unsurprising that a rabid arab-hater like yourself would claim it as your own. You are a sad specimen of jewry and your unintelligent rants give credence to the muslim argument. Well done, thing.
90

Lynne,

USA 28/02/2008 21:50:05
James Donald..the pot is calling the kettle black!!
91

yoric,

28/02/2008 21:52:28
"The Muslim world should boycott Denmark"
I bet the Danes are losing sleep over that.
And as for the 2 Danes now banned from visiting Sudan, well.
92

Lynne,

USA 28/02/2008 21:58:30
Rob/erta Burns and whoever else you are..
When the truth is told, you stoop to insults and trash talk. Everyone has your number..
93

Roberta Burns,

28/02/2008 22:04:22
99# NEOCON Lynne, You really, really don't like the truth, do you, Lynne. But, I'm so glad you've nailed your NEOCON colours to the mast. It just means that Everyone now knows where you're coming from.

And, let me guess, your next tactic will be to accuse Everyone of being involved in a 'Conspiracy Theory' - yet another NEOCON tactic
94

John Blackley,

Winter Garden, FL 28/02/2008 22:07:20
Lynne, though I may not always agree with what you say, I have to compliment you on your stamina in this thread.
95

Lynne,

USA 28/02/2008 22:09:33
Rob/erta Burns and all other IDs..everyone already knows where I stand..and YOU..and YOUR rabid dislike for Israel, Jews, America, Bush, Zionists and anyone who disagrees with you.
96

James Donald,

Newbridge 28/02/2008 22:10:34
#97 Lynne,USA - If you say so - must be nice; help the aged and terminally confused.
97

Lynne,

USA 28/02/2008 22:11:29
Jack Blackley..Thanks for the cheer.
98

Roberta Burns,

28/02/2008 22:15:01
102# Lynne, you've been abandoned by tikum, deathy et al and your paranoia is showing. I reckon I am only one on here daft enough to use my own name. But, you reinforce my view of all on your list.
99

Lynne,

USA 28/02/2008 22:18:30
Rob/ert Burns and other aliases..I haven't been abandoned by anybody.. I speak for me only..and who are you trying to kid..you have almost as many aliases as Sensor, and Mines an 8 Bob; or whatever. It's hard to keep up with all of you.
100

Roberta Burns,

28/02/2008 22:22:04
Sorry, Lynne, I meant to say you have abandoned tikum, deathy et al. The clue is in your lack of language skills.
101

Roberta Burns,

28/02/2008 22:24:07
Lynne, because I have a life, I am going to allow you to have the last word.
102

Lynne,

USA 28/02/2008 22:26:45
Rob/erta Burns, and who else? WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT!!!? I knew you were a screwball, but what are you talking about? I haven't abandoned anyone either!!
Take it easy, chill out, have a stiff drink, make some pork chops...enjoy dinner. I am going to make my family's dinner now. Back later.
103

Carolyn 1,

28/02/2008 22:32:41
#96 Roberta Burns
In case you read, the term Islamofascist dates back to Carl Jung who described Hitler:
"he is like Mohammed. The emotion in Germany is Islamic, warlike and Islamic. They are all drunk with a wild god."
104

Carolyn 1,

28/02/2008 22:42:25
Other countries published the cartoons, two that I know of.
The Swedes published the cartoons. There was a $150,000 award for whoever could slit the throat of the publisher.

In Canada the Western Standard published the cartoons. The Muslims were outraged and filed a claim with the Canadian Islamic Congress, he was sued and then he was charged by the Alberta Human Rights court. The day Ezra Levant had to testify despite the death threats he published the cartoons again. They may end up with a cash settlement in that deal. I suppose the Canadian Muslims are capitalists instead of boycotters.
What ever happened to free speech in Canada?




105

oder,

Scotland 28/02/2008 23:58:55
73 Sensor,Finnking

I have just come back form work will answer you tomorrow night, have an other shift to do, not to worry I am not ignoring you!
106

oder,

Scotland 29/02/2008 00:24:04
87 Lynne,USA 28

yeah Iam pretty sure it is, his MO is to try and move the focus of the actual point we are discussing and move it in another direction my post @ 73 case in point he whats to make issue over the numbers rather than debate the point over Sudan reactions to the cartoons
and get back on to his favorite pet hate Israel.

his post @ 41

I am neither a Jew nor a Christian, so please don't use "us".

my post
"tell you what don't you speak for "them" and I wont speak for "us""

his post @ 73

I will do whatever I want to do.

likes telling others what should be done! not keen when you give him his own advice!




107

Lynne,

USA 29/02/2008 00:29:55
Rob/erta Burns #107...You're the one who made the mistake. See!! This is how you twist things. Just goes to show, you make a mistake and blame someone else. ALL THE TIME.
108

Lynne,

USA 29/02/2008 00:57:47
oder..you must be tired!! The number 28 is the day!!
With these guys, if you don't answer them immediately, they say you skulk off, do a runner or hiding!!
They think they can fool everyone all the time..it'll never happen. Every one is on to them and their methods.
109

oder,

Scotland 29/02/2008 08:10:41
Morning Lynne,
have to go off to work now, you must not take these posters to seriously, posters who change their ID s every now and then are hardly a shinning light on honesty, though as far as I can tell it appears to be the favorite tactic of the anti American/Jewish lobby on these boards.
will answer him later tonight when I get back!
have a nice day!
110

Findlay Thompson,

29/02/2008 14:07:06
72

oder

How do we progress then? As you say they are stuck in the 7th century but they do have access to 21st century weaponry.

Solutions do we attemprt to re-educate their leadership? You view would be appreciated!
111

Bern,

29/02/2008 14:16:02
#87 Lynne

Yes, Sensor is Finnking. That is what trolls do, creating multiple IDs to confuse and fool everyone. Trolls never make known their old identity. Itchy, Audrey and oder knew all too well of his tactic. When there’s a subject connected with Islam or Moslems, you will certainly find him, change topic, bringing up irrelevant issue and start making comparison to get attention to suit his agenda! Oder was right. The article is about Sudan, Denmark and the cartoon. It has nothing to do with the Jews but look, he purposely brought the Jews out!
112

Lynne,

USA 29/02/2008 18:07:28
Bern..I know that they used differnt IDs, and aliases..but it is hard keeping up with all of them!!
To them all the world's ills are the fault of Israel and the Jews..they do this on every thread.
113

oder,

Scotland 01/03/2008 00:26:20
73 Sensor,Finnking


sorry I have taken so long to answer had a very long day at work

you said
Regarding equal treatment; please refer me to the chapters in the Quran that says "Apes and pigs are the other people of faith".

there is one verse that quotes "apes and swine" and another that quotes "detested apes" and since you don't know about them you should go look for them or ask your muslim friends. In the meantime you should read his Koran since I might quote from it again. Until you know a wee bit more about Islam you should stay quiet.



you said

You originally said, "Muslims believe we are all born Muslims" without any validity. Although I am not a Muslims (my faith is my business)I do have Muslim friends, some active,most not. Your response is ridiculous.

Koran
Abraham was neither a Jew or a Christian.He was upright and devoted to god,never an idolater and the people closest to him are those who truly follow in his ways,this prophet and true believers, god is close to true believers. ponder this for a wee while and work out what it means? again if you don't know ask your Muslim friends

you called me a liar! but in fact you are the liar as far as your faith goes you have none! your to full of hate! but like your kind try to(Manipulate?)impress everyone with your "my faith is my business"some one who changes their ID and then comes on these boards as someone else? were you find the deceiver lies are not far away.

Below is list of my sources I don't have the time to go through them all!

http://www.faithfreedom.org/Gallery/28.html
www.frontpagemag.com/article.asp?ID=21383
bibleprobe.com/muhammed-cartoons,html
observer.guardian.co.uk/focus/story/o,,1702538,00.html
www.muslimnews.co.uk/pda/index.php?section=17
www.villagevoice.com/news/0608,hentoff,72237,6.html
htt://www.memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?page=archives&Area=ia&ID=ia3107

And the absolute word of God the Holy Koran!
















114

oder,

Scotland 01/03/2008 00:29:36
117 117 Findlay Thompson,29Findlay Thompson,29

sorry will answer you tomorrow had another long day!
115

Carolyn 1,

01/03/2008 17:31:15
#120
I agree.
Banks cannot hand out piggy banks, and they've stopped encouraging kids to use piggy banks.
The world has lost it's tolerance compass. We have also lost our freedom of speech and freedom of thought.
What is the test or proof you lost the freedom? When you can't publish a cartoon? When the clerk in the grocery store doesn't will not sell you meat and doesn't have to? When a bank can't give a kid a piggy bank?
I think we already lost
116

oder,

Scotland 01/03/2008 20:19:25
73 Sensor,Finnking

Maybe you can use this? You'll get the full story on the Civitas site, in the Social Cohesion section, David Conway's blog about visit of King Abdullah.

On May 7, 2002, wearing her customary body-length robe and fashionable head scarf, Doaa Amer -- a professional TV anchor who hosts Muslim Woman Magazine on IQRAA-TV, a satellite channel broadcasting throughout the Arab world … based in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia – announced to her viewers that she had a special guest. Broadcasting from Egypt, she beg[a]n: “Our report today will be a little different, because our guest is a girl, a Muslim girl, but a true Muslim.”
‘The camera pans slowly down and to the right as Ms Amer greets her guest who turns out to be a small child. [Their conversation goes thus:]

Amer: Peace be upon you.
Child: Allah’s mercy and blessing upon you.
Amer: How old are you?
Child: Three and a half.
Amer: Are you a Muslim?’
Child: Yes
Amer: Are you familiar with the Jews?’
Child: Yes.
Amer: Do you like them?
Child: No
Amer: Why don’t you like them?
Child: Because…
Amer: (prompting): Because they are what?
Child: They’re apes and pigs.
Amer: Because they’re apes and pigs. Who said they are so?
Child: Our God.
Amer: Where did he say this?
Child: In the Koran.
Amer: Right, he said that about them in the Koran…. Did they love our master Mohammed?
Child: No.
Amer: No, what did the Jews do to him?
….
….
Child: There was a Jewish woman who invited the Prophet and his friends. When he asked her, "Did you put poison [in my food]?” she said to him, “Yes.” He asked her, "Why did you do this?" and she replied: “If you are a liar – you will; die and Allah will not protect you: if you speak the truth –Allah will protect you.”
Amer: And our God protected the Prophet Muhammad, of course.
Child: And he said to his friends: “I will kill this lady.”


seems this young child knows what you obviously don't know!

117

oder,

Scotland 01/03/2008 20:32:02
73 Sensor,Finnking


With reference to the "them and us" attitude which you accuses me of supporting, you may like to know that in their deliberations Islamic scholars refer to us as "al-akhar" - "the other". They know there is a "them and us".
118

oder,

Scotland 01/03/2008 21:06:33
117 Findlay Thompson,29/02/2008 14:07:06

Immigration, immigration, immigration - the conquering sword of Islamic da'wa, peaceful jihad. Colonel Qaddafi can sit back and let it all happen the demo graphs support the Colonel.No need to lift a finger. The apprentice dhimmis of the EU and Britain
are doing a great job.Three decades the colonel gives us before we become a minority in our own country.
Gordon Brown and his party have not only allowed it to happen but have actively promoted a demographic takeover as they participated in the EU decisions that created Eurabia.
Nor can they stop it as they chase more immigrant votes, the more the merrier for the Labour Party, the more the problems for the rest of us.

what choice do we have? they will never change! if they could a nice place to start would be Sudan but the have almost wipe out the Christians in the south! some tolerance from the religion of peace. Kosovo has always been part of Serbia the Albanian population increased faster than the Serbs,the result a new Islamic state in Europe! our future would appear to be Islamic, unless the those in charge wake up!

no doubt this post will upset all the Islamic apologists here, I am talking about Islamic Immigration not immigration in general
119

oder,

Scotland 01/03/2008 21:54:56
122 Carolyn 1,01/03/2008

agreed! the world is entering a stage were intolerance hate, killings, are permitted and excused, the politicians in their determination to create a multi-culutural/religious Shangrila. yet they import the one ingredent with the most potential to tear it apart "Islam"
















120

57Nomad,

california 02/03/2008 19:21:43
#78 sensor

"So, you believe in full, complete, total, unequivocal freedom of speech?
There's no problem in showing the Hitler in bed with Anne Frank cartoon? No issue for you with, say, a cartoon of the Pope sodomising a child or Moses with an Israeli flag and a bomb in his hair?"

The first sentence of your post is not connected to the second sentence. It entirely possible to believe in total, unequivocal freedom of speech and have a problem with the cartoon you suggest.

Having a problem with something is not the same as seeking to prohibit it. Do you understand the difference? The only legitimate prohibition against speech or expression is when there is a clear and present danger to public safety, e.g., shouting fire in a crowded theater. Only the government has the power to censor. Attempts to squelch these rights by private citizens is not censorship because they lack the force of law. A citizen can always confront, debate, harangue, shout at, demonstrate for or against, the opinions of other citizens. This is exactly how a free people conduct their business. What a citizen cannot do it to get the government to silence their opponents.
121

57Nomad,

california 05/03/2008 10:09:01
#25 waldenman

To differentiate him from your taxi driver?

 

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