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Published Date: 24 November 2008
JOHN Swinney insisted yesterday that Scotland's local authorities had enough money to deliver next year's council tax freeze without any extra resources from the government.
The finance secretary was responding to warnings from some council leaders that, without significant extra cash, they will not be able to bring in the second year of the freeze.

This year's moratorium was agreed by Scotland's councils after minist
ers gave them an additional £70 million.

Another £70 million is on offer for next year, but because of the changed economic situation, higher fuel costs and other inflationary pressures, some councils believe that will not be nearly enough to deliver the freeze.

Steven Purcell, the Labour leader of Glasgow City Council, said: "The money from the Scottish Government does not reflect the inflationary pressures. It did last year, but the same amount of money this year will not fund the inflationary pressures on council tax."

But Mr Swinney said last year's freeze had only cost councils £58 million and he had allowed them to keep the £12 million.

"Now in the forthcoming two years, £70 million of new money will be available in each financial year to support the freeze in the council tax," he said. "By the time we get to next April, there is absolutely no way inflation will be running at the current level of 4.5 per cent, absolutely no way whatsoever.

"So I think there is adequate money to freeze the council tax."



The full article contains 251 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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1

Rufus T. Firefly,

23/11/2008 23:28:19
How will people benefit, from the swingeing cuts in services that will result from a further 2 years of council tax freezes?

We have already had charities closing down and schools buildings programmes - promised to be matched "brick for brick", stopped in their tracks by the SNP's budget cuts.

Everything has a cost.
2

Rufus T. Firefly,

23/11/2008 23:37:00
Thats the first credit crunch riots started in Iceland.

"Protesters in Iceland's capital Reykjavik have clashed with police during a demonstration over the handling of the financial crisis.

Several hundred protesters gathered outside the city's main police station to demand the release of a man jailed in a previous demonstration.

Five people were injured when police used pepper spray to disperse the group after some tried to storm the building.

Iceland faces a sharply contracting economy over the financial collapse."

Salmond's Arc of Prosperity becomes a bigger joke week by week.
3

subrosa,

24/11/2008 00:17:10
Excellent interview with John Swinney on the Politics Show. No matter how hard Glen Campbell tried to embarrass him John Swinney kept his cool.
4

S'me,

Edinburgh 24/11/2008 00:38:48
Its the return of the all controlling Thatcher years..
5

lulach mac gille coemgain,

24/11/2008 00:57:03
allegedly - The tax cuts can happen, cause Labour used to just pocket the cash and nothin got done - now nothin will get done and no cash will change hands ! Only difference !
6

brusque,

24/11/2008 00:58:25
#2 Rufus.Iceland faces a sharply contracting economy over the financial collapse."

Salmond's Arc of Prosperity becomes a bigger joke week by week.

It may have [and in all probability has, since you are singularly blinkered where Labour is concerned] escaped your attention that your much adored Prime Minister, speaks EVERY DAY about this "GLOBAL crisis, which started in America"

Iceland are suffering no more than the rest of Europe, and certainly no more than you an I will over the next 6 months to 2 years!!!

Try not to be foolish and pretend that anything that has befallen us is the fault of the SNP in General or Alex Salmond in particular.

Gordon Brown will have to shoulder the responsibility of burying the WHOLE of the UK under a mountain of debt - and Scotland will only suffer worse if Gordon wishes it to be so.

Judging by your simpering adoration of NuLab, and Gordon, you will be happy to see everyone suffer greatly, just so you can come on a forum and pleasure from the fact.

Shameful.
7

brusque,

24/11/2008 01:01:36
Perhaps if David Marshall gave back the £500,000, and Anne Moffat stopped claiming expenses enough to cover the cost of flying the whole of Scotland to Disneyland, [as well as wasting police time with fantasy crimes] we wouldn't have needed such drastic measures?

Still........................it's good news that a brand new BMW will cost £256 less tomorrow!

Are you rushing out to buy yours Rufus?
8

The Answer,

Glasgow 24/11/2008 01:04:45
"the obese one" is very kind to the English taxpayers, each year of council tax freeze in scotland means less English tax being shipped to scotland in council tax benefit handouts.

A union dividend for england at last..
9

brusque,

24/11/2008 01:12:06
Is Jim Murphy still sub-letting office space while claiming full rent from Westminster?. Or has he stopped trying to defraud the populace now that he's got a bit of a profile as Gordon's Lackey up here?



10

Westfield Bairns,

falkirk 24/11/2008 01:15:58
8
I'm sick of scottish taxpayers susidising England and its now even worse with the Olympics
11

The Answer,

Glasgow 24/11/2008 01:19:50
"10 Westfield Bairns,falkirk 24/11/2008 01:15:58

I'm sick of scottish taxpayers susidising England and its now even worse with the Olympics"

Dream on, scotland has 8% of the UK population, and yet manages to produce less than 7% of new UK undergraduates, or are you telling me that low skill labour in scotland makes more money than high skilled labour in England ?
12

Westfield Bairns,

falkirk 24/11/2008 01:35:27
11
Whats your argument as Higher Education doesn't always have a correllation to Earning power in the work place.
Reality check, Scotland, small Northern European nation rich in natural resources and has some major world renowned exports. Strange how unionist whine but they'll do anything to block Scotland having full Fiscal Autonomy where we spend ALL the money we raise. I see you studied at the Gordon Brown School of Economics
13

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24/11/2008 06:39:34
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24/11/2008 06:52:25
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drunken proffet,

Tassy 24/11/2008 07:01:46
Whether you like it or not the council rates system is one of the most unfair methods of distributing council costs through the community. A single pensioner living in one house and a family with two or three wage earners in an other are classed as equal. As a matter of interest, do a family of layabouts pay any rates at all. It is about time that the councils realise that the only services they can provide are the ones that the ratepayers can afford.
16

Alan Reid,

Skive 24/11/2008 07:12:07
Rufus T. Firefly 1 + 2,
And how is Switzerland, Luxembourg, Denmark, Finland, New Zealand, Sweden, and of course Norway doing in this crisis? I know your most likely English, and hate the idea of Scotland one day running its own affairs. And England will have to stand on its own feet, but try not to let the hatred of the SNP cloud your judgement.
Fact: All countries are getting their fingers burnt in this crisis. Iceland has made some very bad decisions regarding its banking. However you never see the Irish saying”we never should have kicked out the English and went our own way” Scotland’s economy is far more diverse than Iceland’s with its fishing industry. Scotland has textiles, farming, tourism, fishing, water, engineering, whisky, and oil and gas, to name a few.
It is a pity that Scotland fishing is ruined because an English Tory PM signed us up for the CFP, but that another story is it not?
Also try not to let the hatred of Alex Salmond cloud your views on him. He’s the First Minister of Scotland, for the first time EVER, we have someone who is prepared to scrap with London in order to get the best deal from Westminster.
Alex Salmonds looks, weight, the fact he likes curry, has got nothing to do with the fact that he does his job very well, unlike the last bunch of corrupt scumbags that ripped Scotland off.
Do try and come up with a coherent argument against the SNP instead of sounding like the fool you most likely are.

17

Alan Reid,

Skive 24/11/2008 07:15:27
Rufus T. Firefly:
Also Scotland would not waste BILLIONS on WMD's, nor illegal wars.
18

Alan Reid,

Skive 24/11/2008 07:15:27
Rufus T. Firefly:
Also Scotland would not waste BILLIONS on WMD's, nor illegal wars.
19

bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 24/11/2008 07:19:41
#1 Rufus
Feel free to object to the freeze in council tax by paying over an extra 10% of your council tax to your local authority.

Or are you not prepared to put your money where your mouth is?
20

Alan Reid,

skive 24/11/2008 07:37:13
O00ps
21

gus1940,

Edinburgh 24/11/2008 08:16:50
#11

If Scottish universities weren't full of students from England there would be more places for Scottish students.
22

Marian,

24/11/2008 08:38:01
Gordon Brown and his New Labour party have a right cheek claiming that Scots could and should not run their own economy.

After all who ignored the UK debt spiral as it built up?

Who weakened UK regulation and allowed Northern Rock to offer 125 per cent mortgages?

Who diminished Bank of England control over the UK banking system?

Who wrecked UK final-salary pensions with a £5 billion-a-year tax levy?

Who ignored the risks of the house price and equity boom?

Who keeps alienating English Voters by telling them that Scotland is an economic basket case dependent on alms from England?

Who allowed Scotland to remain a basket case during their years in power?

The only reasons why Gordon Brown denies Scotland full fiscal autonomy are (a) he is a control freak who is determined to keep personal control over every £pound spent from the the UK's purse, and (b) he is obsessed with holding on to his job as PM of the UK.
23

TWC,

24/11/2008 08:47:07
Freezing council tax was one of the best things ever done in Scotland. A real opportunity to implement a socialist policy which helps the poor and if LIT happens it means the more you earsn the more you pay.
We can't have a tax that Goes by 60% in 8 years while people are on fixed incomes eg pensioners.
What possible alternative could we implement.
24

Nikostratos,,

24/11/2008 08:50:45
So let me get this right in the worse Economic downturn for Decades whilst the snp have limited devolved power (thank god). They persist in policy which will give all all? including the most wealthy in scotland a tax freeze .when a more targeted approach could take the extra cash from the rich and aid those in need given the rich can afford to pay more council tax than those on limited income's.

Well at least Gordon is there as the proper and right prime minister of Great Britain and is prepared unlike the snp to raise the taxes on those who can afford to pay more..
25

TWC,

24/11/2008 09:19:19
No alternative as usual, LIT will take more from the rich. It is a policy that Labour should have championed.
And within the union we could do a lot better if we have all our financial controls. You however are only interested in the PARTY not your country, that is why you don't have any policies to offer. This may well be the lead up to the GE, I do hope so.

At least the Parties will have to tell us their policies for the future
26

Rev. S. Campbell,

Bath 24/11/2008 10:07:49
#25 "Well at least Gordon is there as the proper and right prime minister of Great Britain and is prepared unlike the snp to raise the taxes on those who can afford to pay more.."

...IF he wins the next General Election, which he knows he won't because unemployment will have gone through the roof by then. 2.5% off VAT to save the economy? You'd laugh your plums off if we weren't in such a mess after a decade of Brown at the Treasury.
27

subrosa,

24/11/2008 10:55:37
# 21

What an stupid post. If you've nothing but lies to promote don't post anything.
28

subrosa,

24/11/2008 10:57:54
# 25

The size of a house doesn't necessarily denote the size of the inhabitants income(s).
29

TheDisplacedGlaswegian,

Edinburgh 24/11/2008 11:01:04
#22 I couldn't agree more. I graduated from St Andrews and at the time (early nineties) there were far more English than Scots students at the university. On my course, Scots were outnumbered by about ten to one.
Edinburgh university is the same.
(Note, I have nothing at all against English students or any English person living, studying or working in Scotland. I sincerely hope they enjoy it here and stay on for good. The poster at #11 brought this up in an attempt to belittle Scots))
30

57vintage,

Keith 24/11/2008 11:05:19
#15

Tha sounds like the Poll Tax....
31

tearortwo,

burton on trent 24/11/2008 11:08:50
#25
Brown has raised stealth taxes on everyone during his tenure with the implication that the least well off are most affected.
What is even worse is that there is nothing to show for it. Not only is the cupboard bare but the gap between rich and poor is wider than ever.
If he really wanted to redistribute wealth, or at least ease the burden on 'hard working families' as he repeats ad nauseum, he should, with immediate effect, stop employing civil servants of all kinds because the indexed pensions from which they benefit will ultimately bankrupt the country even if this current fiasco doesn't.
32

TheDisplacedGlaswegian,

Edinburgh 24/11/2008 11:40:26
Joe #33 lol. Good post. Are you drunk?
33

Miss H,

24/11/2008 11:40:32
25 No the policy is to freeze council tax prior to scrapping it and replacing it with a local income tax set at 3p.

A policy which Labour attacked as a tax rise for wealth creators– while simultaneously being a tax cut which would result in loss of services.

As if that wasn’t incoherent enough, Scottish Labour were still going with the line that a 3p increase in income tax would be a disincentive for wealth creators to stay in Scotland on Friday. Clearly unaware that the Chancellor was going to announce a bigger increase in income tax for the top earners on Monday.

Good to see them all singing from the same hymn sheet eh?
34

cataibh,

Over the Struie 24/11/2008 11:46:08
Labour cannot lie to the hard hit home owners that the council tax freeze was of no benifit or are they. I benifit from the tax freeze, but a neighbour who has not worked for years does not benifit as the tax is paid by the tax payer. I wonder why he had a labour sticker on his car during the last local election.
35

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 24/11/2008 11:56:39
I'm not sure abour higher fuel costs, Hamish. The price of oil is lower than last year!
36

Miss H,

24/11/2008 11:59:50
40 yes bit in terms of council budgets the high fuel costs (while they lasted) have taken a big chunk out, and energy costs are still high and causing big problems.
37

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 24/11/2008 12:01:12
#11 Answer

Question. How does one "produce an undergraduate"?
38

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 24/11/2008 12:05:14
#23 smee.

Neither witty nor clever as per usual !
39

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 24/11/2008 12:05:37
correction #21 smee
40

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 24/11/2008 12:08:34
#25 Niko

Would that be the same Gordon Brown who targeted the lowest paid workers in the UK with a doubling of the 10p income tax rate?
41

Alan Reid,

Skive 24/11/2008 12:10:51
33 Joe,Knightsridge, Get your facts right, the SNP are not selling anything, they are LEASING out the forests, try and keep up.
42

TWC,

24/11/2008 12:21:28
33 Joe,

Brown gave away Gold reserves, caused the Debt problem in Britain and has no idea how to improve Scotlands lot. The whole New Labour Party is a disaster and they are doomed in Scotland.
43

brusque,

24/11/2008 12:35:53
21 sm753,24/11/2008 08:03:49
3

"Excellent interview with John Swinney on the Politics Show. No matter how hard Glen Campbell tried to embarrass him John Swinney kept his cool."


...because he couldn't understand the questions.""


as tiresome as you are, I just wanted to say.........EDUCATE YOURSELF for the love of god!

Every day I invite a friend to come and look at what you and your alter egos/fellow Unionists take time to post on a forum.

My old Dad called that "opening your mouth and letting your belly rumble".

For shame that you have so little regard for your own country that you post this drivel. Perhaps I should pity you, it must be a dreadful thing to have no real sense of identity!
44

brusque,

24/11/2008 12:39:50
Joe #33

Perhaps this from the Times, will clarify the issue of who is selling off "trees"?

""
Treasury in state-owned assets sell-off..........
A STRING of state-owned household names including the Met Office, mapmaker Ordnance Survey and the FORESTRY Commission, are being prepared for sale by the government in the next two years to raise cash for the stretched public purse.

Alistair Darling, the chancellor, is thought to have drawn up a list of 10 companies to offload, including the Queen Elizabeth II Conference Centre in Westminster. He will outline the programme in the prebudget report tomorrow alongside details of a Whitehall efficiency drive.

45

brownlie,

24/11/2008 13:35:04
49 brusque

"Whitehall efficiency drive" - some hopes with incompetents in charge.
46

brownlie,

24/11/2008 13:36:39
21 sm753

Did you forget what moniker you were posting under and slip into Rufus mode for a moment?
47

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 24/11/2008 13:37:57
#41 Miss H

Yes, but we are talking about next year's budget not this year's.
48

Miss H,

24/11/2008 14:17:41
54 have you really?

Where do you go to meet planks of wood?

Do they answer when you talk to them?

What do they say?

Have you managed to finish that jigsaw in the recreation room yet?
49

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24/11/2008 14:20:49
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 24/11/2008 14:36:20
#54 smee

Spoken like the complete plank that you are.
51

Miss H,

24/11/2008 15:03:21
57 Come on give the guy a break.

He talks to the trees ....... hey, maybe it's Prince Charles!
52

brownlie,

24/11/2008 15:49:50
58 Miss H

Yes, leaf him alone, he has not twigged onto Labour yet.
53

Brian Ferrari,

24/11/2008 15:56:37
sm753

You are all bark and no bite

54

Brian Ferrari,

24/11/2008 15:58:51
I take it you are in one of your meetings at the moment? What do you talk about? Root and branch reform?
55

Alan Reid,

Skive 24/11/2008 16:29:49
Rufus T. Firefly, WHERE ARE YOU?
56

TWC,

24/11/2008 17:15:28
54 sm753, I hope somebody was swinging the plank you met.

60 Brian Ferrari, He's all bark because he's a New Labour poodle.

I was shocked by the pre budget package it incudes Socialist policies, pity about the Debt to come and the crazy forecasts.

I fear it will all need to go back after Christmas
57

Rufus T. Firefly,

24/11/2008 18:39:29
Alan Reid, will be on my PC to give a reply to your questions later.

You did ask some good ones although the personal dig at the end spoiled them a bit.

Just now I am too busy counting how rich I will be as a result of Brown and Darlings superb pre-budget report.
58

Alan Reid,

Skive 24/11/2008 19:00:40
Did you have to take your socks off?
59

Rufus T. Firefly,

24/11/2008 19:05:28
I am sure this will be very funny Alan.

Why would I have taken my socks off?
60

Observer. 1,

Glasgow 24/11/2008 20:09:31
do you not have any toes then ?
61

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 24/11/2008 21:29:43
Only Rufus could claim he will be rich due to a 2.1% cut in VAT. Eejit !
62

Rufus T. Firefly,

24/11/2008 22:21:43
Connaughtboy, I never mentioned anything about VAT.

You my friend are the idiot.
63

Truth Teller www.oilofscotland.org,

http://www.scottish-labour-party.co.uk/ 24/11/2008 23:33:56
#6 brusque

Gordon Brown has used Alex Salmonds' 2005 comment about the Arc of Prosperity, relative to the Iceland Banks against the SNP. However when this comment was made about Iceland, Gordon Brown was encouraging Councils throughout the United Kingdom to invest Millions of TAX PAYERS MONEY in Icelandic banks for big interest pay outs. Money that until the collapse of these banks was probably being used for under the table bonuses. It now turns out the UK Government has given £759million to the FSA to BAIL out the Iceland banks. i.e. it is the UK tax payer that is funding this operation to bail out Icelandic Banks NOT the Icelanders, who have had anti terrorism laws imposed upon them.

http://www.scottish-labour-party.co.uk/
64

Truth Teller www.oilofscotland.org,

http://www.scottish-labour-party.co.uk/ 24/11/2008 23:34:50
Will the local income tax cost you more money than the unfair council tax. Remember this fair local income tax will take 85,000 Scot's out of poverty. This tax also means the abolishment of business rates in Scotland.

Family Salary = £10,000 = £300
Family Salary = £15,000 = £450
Family Salary = £20,000 = £600
Family Salary = £30,000 = £900
Family Salary = £40,000 = £1200
Family Salary = £50,000 = £1500
Family Salary = £60,000 = £1800
Family Salary = £70,000 = £2100
Family Salary = £80,000 = £2400
Family Salary = £90,000 = £2700
Family Salary = £100,000 = £3000
Family Salary = £150,000 = £4500

http://www.scottish-labour-party.co.uk/
65

Truth Teller www.oilofscotland.org,

www.oilofscotland.org 24/11/2008 23:37:51
The SNP announced a fair 3p in the pound local income tax to replace the unfair council tax. This would help 85,000 Scot's get out of poverty by saving the average Scottish family between £350 and £535 a year. The 3% tax would only be £30 for every £1000 you earn. However Ministers in Westminster, London vowed to axe the £400m in council tax benefits currently paid to Scottish taxpayers if the changes go ahead.

(yet another Westminster injustice against the Scottish People)

http://www.oilofscotland.org
66

Alan Reid,

Skive 24/11/2008 23:44:17
66 Rufus T. Firefly,24 Still waiting mate!

 

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