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Published Date: 11 June 2009
THE battle lines between the Conservatives and Labour over future spending plans were revealed yesterday as party leaders clashed over spending cuts.
Shadow health secretary Andrew Lansley gave ammunition to Prime Minister Gordon Brown's charge of "Tory cuts" after he admitted a Conservative government would have to slash budgets by 10 per cent.

Mr Lansley had been attempting to set out his par
ty's plans for investing in the NHS.

He said: "We have made it clear where our priorities lie: we are going to increase the resources for the NHS, we are going to increase resources for international development aid, we are going to increase resources for schools. But that does mean, over three years after 2011, a 10 per cent reduction in the departmental expenditure limits for other departments. It is a very tough spending requirement indeed."

His admission was immediately seized on by Mr Brown, allowing him to score a rare political point after weeks of leadership trouble.

Mr Brown said: "Let us have a debate about the choice that really does exist in the country between a Conservative Party that now wants to cut, even at a time of recession, into our basic public services and a Labour Party that wants to invest in them."

But Mr Cameron retaliated that the Prime Minister planned his own 7 per cent cuts across the board. The Tory leader told Mr Brown: "The next election, when you have the guts to call it, won't be about Labour investment versus Tory cuts, it is going to be an election about the mismanagement of the public finances, the appalling deficit you have left and your plan for cuts."

The argument sets the stage for the debate ahead of the next general election. Labour has been concerned that the focus on MPs' expenses and the party's bitter infighting has deflected attention from the Conservatives' policy agenda.





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  • Last Updated: 10 June 2009 9:12 PM
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1

Scottish and Proud,

Glasgow 11/06/2009 00:25:26
I hope their budgets do not include any North Sea revenues
2

Proud Flower of Scotland,

Dumfries 11/06/2009 00:27:37
Your cuts are bigger. No, your cuts are bigger. Typical Tory and Labour sniping over who wants to cut the public service more. If Labour truly wanted to show they are different from the Tories, cancel the proposed 500 million pound cuts to the Scottish Government budget.

Not holding my breath.
3

Edward,

11/06/2009 00:54:04
Watched Brown yesterday afternoon spouting his bilious lies accusing the Tories of what he himself is doing and will be doing IF we are nuts enough to elect Labour in the general election
4

Barney Thomson,

Reading 11/06/2009 01:14:45
Exactly what universe have I landed in?

Since Maggie the Exterminator came to power in 1979, successive governments have championed public sector "efficiencies" (i.e. cuts). There have been occasional reverses to these policies in the run up to inevitable elections (i.e. bribes)
5

Wisnaeme,

11/06/2009 01:19:53


So which bunch of Westmidden incompetent charlatans being economical with the truth are we being asked to believe and put trust in?

The ya, boo, sucks mob?

...or the boo, ya sucks wans?


Naw, ah give them both o them a miss, ah'm thinking.

Surely there must be something better, elsewhere.

.
6

hoblar,

11/06/2009 01:32:00
The 'choice' between dreaded new labour or the equally dreaded tories is like the choice between a red bucket of poo and a blue bucket of poo.

It is the choice of electing a party of few ideas or a party that has no ideas.

If you live in England, those two unionist parties are all there is really, and neither are actually 'popular' rather than just a seasonal choice with the same basic dire policies and outlook.

In Scotland we have a non unionist Government, the SNP, and they are a party that is continuing to climb in popularity while the unionist uk based parties are in decline.


7

Iainbroch,

11/06/2009 01:40:20
Broonie savages himself!
8

Barney Thomson,

Reading 11/06/2009 01:47:46
#6 hoblar

"If you live in England, those two unionist parties are all there is really"
--------------------------------
How horribly, depressingly true
9

dunedin bully wee 1877,

11/06/2009 05:50:50
“Mr Brown said: "Let us have a debate about the choice that really does exist in the country between a Conservative Party that now wants to cut, even at a time of recession, into our basic public services and a Labour Party that wants to invest in them."


From the Times 11/06/09

“Funding of £500 million for hospital building and refurbishment is being withheld by the Government in the first sign of the severe cuts likely to be forced on the NHS in the recession.
A letter between health chiefs, seen by The Times, suggests that “the Treasury is unlikely to agree further releases of funding” for the building of a new generation of community hospitals, announced to much fanfare three years ago.”

You pays your money and you takes your choice.
10

Marian,

11/06/2009 07:03:12
It’s clear that Brown’s war cry from now on to the election is “Expect Tory Cuts”.

The IFS and Fraser Nelson (http://www.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/3687378/the-truth-behind-that-10-percent-cut.thtml) and CH4 (at http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/uk/factcheck+who+is+cutting+spending/3204762) and Stephanie Flanders at the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/stephanieflanders/) have already exposed the hidden 7% cut across the board cuts contained in Darling’s Budget.

The 10% cut mooted on radio on 10 June 2009 by the Tory spokesman amounted to the same gross total in cuts by New Labour as Darling tried to hide, and was simply the increased effect of the re-distribution on everything else because the Tories are going to exclude Health spending from cuts - as opposed to Darling whose budget made it clear that New Labour are cutting health spending as well.

Brown will get away time and time again with his lies and deceptions at PMQ’s unless Cameron goes on the offensive pointing out all of the above including the fact that Darling intends to cut Health spending.

Just watch how that goes down with voters.
11

TWC,

exLabour 11/06/2009 07:54:34
They will have to cut, whoever gets in.

The Economic crash is like a runaway train which will come to a natural end whatever we do. The train will either hit the buffers and be a disaster, slow down gradually as the land flattens or meet an uphill run and slow down a bit quicker.
Labours fiscal Stimulous amounts to no more than throwing mattresses along the line which may help a tiny few. When it stops Labour will try to claim it was their actions but it is not anyones actions.

The question is who let the brake off.
12

Grahamski,

Falkirk 11/06/2009 07:57:08
Oh dear, are the cybernats just a wee bit concerned that the tory landslide they've been praying for isn't quite in the bag yet?
Don't worry my little nat crackpots, nobody notices who you are desperate to see in number ten.....oh no, the Scottish people just love looney tunes nats who put their own interests before the country's - just see how you were rewarded when you stabbed Scotland in the back in 1979 and delivered Thatcher....
13

dunedin bully wee 1877,

11/06/2009 08:30:19
12 Grahamski

Still feverishly trying to re-write history I see.

The Thatcher-era is one of the “Union dividends” you people continually tell us we “benefit” from.

Only the SNP offer us an escape route from the forthcoming Cameron-era.

We all remember how ineffective the “feeble 50” Labour MPs were when the English vote imposed Thatcher upon us.
14

TWC,

exLabour 11/06/2009 08:37:34
13 dunedin bully wee 1877

The real problem with thatcher was her openwarfare with Scargill and McGachey(in Scotland).
I always liked McGachey but the fight was the wrong one and Thatcher had all the oil money to throw at the fight.
One thing I know is that SLAB & the Nats should be getting together to take control of Scotlands finances before the Tory Landslide in England.

There is no need to suffer the Tories if we control our own Finances.
15

Cauchy Riemann,

Wales 11/06/2009 08:55:37
TWC wrote:
"They will have to cut, whoever gets in."

Absolutely true. This is why I've been opposed to Brown's increasing debt model for a long time now. At the end of the day there is a consequence, and this generally has an effect on the most vulnerable in society.

Rising debt always implies either tax rises and/or funding cuts in the future. The more debt, the more extreme the reaction.

One of my solutions is to scrap the TV licence tax and raise the differential amount in other - more fundamental taxes.

Basically the NHS is set to have a shortfall of £15 billion over 5 years. This could be more than fully met by scrapping the TV licence - an outdated system.
16

buzzer,

Aberdeen 11/06/2009 09:02:54
12 Grahamski, whether you like it or not the Labour Party is a busted flush. Cameron will get in next election no matter who we vote for in Scotland. So get used to it.

I still cant believe you are peddling that old chestnut that it was the nats who gave us Thatcher. I do believe that the vast majority of England voted her in because they were sick fed up of strikes and bins not being emptied. Oh thats right it was Jim Callaghan a labour pm who caused it all.
17

Mike S,

11/06/2009 09:15:20
I see now that the expenses row has subsided it's back to boo b*m sucks politics where each side slags off the other like children in a nursery school. This is one of the reasons why people are disillusioned with politics and the parties. They dont believe what they say as did the ministers who left the cabinet "I support Brown and his policies" and next day "he was a bad manager and a bad PM". Who would ever believe them
18

Linda,

Edinburgh 11/06/2009 09:20:24
The Callaghan government in 1979 was a busted flush.

Like Gordon Brown in 2008, Callaghan had a chance to go to the country in October 1978 but "bottled" it and following the Winter of Discontent with union led strikes and power cuts
there was absolutely no chance of Labour winning a general election even if they had stayed on to the bitter end in October 1979.

Despite the rigged referendum in March 1979 producing a yes vote for a Scottish Assembly the Labour government refused to implement the majority wishes of the Scottish people.
As a consequence the Liberals formally ended the "pact" which had sustained Labour since 1977.

On In March 28th 1979 the vital no confidence vote was lost through the absence of Sir Alfred Broughton, Labour MP for Batley, who was too ill to attend
and the unexpected non voting of two Irish republican MPs who normally supported Labour but felt that Labour had double crossed them on redrawing the political boundaries in Northern Ireland.
In fact Gerry Fitt and Frank Maguire flew from Belfast to London expressly not to vote.
19

mr broon,

Edinburgh 11/06/2009 09:58:37
The gaffe prone Tory MP Andrew Lansley has put his foot in it again with his comments about cuts in the NHS.

You can bet your bottom dollar that, if elected, the Tories will once again return to their previous plans of either dismantling the NHS, or introducing more and more privatisation, and of this you can be certain.

Either way, whoever is in power after 2011, will still have to make major cuts in the NHS, especially in England.
20

Tormod,

Auld Reekie 11/06/2009 11:01:14
Gordon Brown caught out telling fibs about the public finances imagine that.

They will still push this shoite through the election and as long as the dumplings on the Scottish dead tree press don't question it and the dumplings in society believe it, well hell mend them.

The tories are at least trying to put some meat on the bone they are using the Treasury's own figures for christ sake.

The IFS / BBC / Channel4 are all in agreement with the 10% cut figure.
21

Canny Mann,

The Kingdom 11/06/2009 11:38:09
The Tories and Labour have drawn the battle lines. What a load of rubbish.
UK is broke, the world bank has down graded the UK borrowing rating. The UK are now looked upon in the financial markets as unable to borrow further cash as the estimates say the UK will be unable to repay further loans. The interest rates on borrowing have been raised as a consequence of the risk being higher.

Independance for scotland gives fiscal autonomy. Under a unionist regime, scotland would not have financial control. Again scotland would have further cuts, even though scotland gives more to westminster than it is given in return.
Better by far for scotland to be independant, where the electorate have a voice as to what is important, than having things dictated to them by westminster, where there is bias in favour of an english agenda.
Where scotland once had a proud manufacturing base, there is now a wildersness.

Steel production Closed.
car/lorry production Closed.
Ship Building Closed.
Deep Coal mining Closed.
Fishing almost Closed.
Motarola Closed.
Timex Closed.

30 years of Tory and Labour mismanagement. England may be desperate to have the old days back under the Tories, Scotland does not. Quango's and Gerry Mandering, poverty and war.

I say scrap Trident II, scrap the Super Aircraft Carriers, Scrap the buying of US strike fighter aircraft and bring the troops home from Afghanistan.

The money saved would be enormous. The UK needs to focus on what is best for the UK, not pandering to the US and thier foreign policy.

Vote SNP and get rid of the shoddy bunch of unionist war mongers and tax avoiding fat-cats.

Alba gu brath...

22

Observer,,

Glasgow 11/06/2009 11:51:27
Whoever gets in is going to have to deal with the debts that Gordon Brown has saddled us with for bailing out the banks amongst other things. So the question now is where do we cut and where do we spend.

Well, we could cut Trident for as start. We could cut out invading foreign countries at the behest of Uncle Sam. We could cut out wasteful PFI. We could cut out internal private markets and internal competition in the public sector that just leads to increased beaurocracy rather than improved services. We could cut out letting people dodge taxes, we could (gasp) tax rich people more than poor people.

We could do a lot of things which would ensure that the money we do have gets to where it is needed and the cuts cause the least suffering.

But the Tories sure as hell won't.
23

JCA REID,

Annan 11/06/2009 12:20:04
Brown & his ersatz economic policies have been an attempt, (fairly successfully), to rip-off Scotland, do her down & basically "know her place" in the order of things.
Really strange, (actually), damned hypocritical of the man & his Chancellor, as both have espoused they want to see Scotland independent!
If/when it happens both of these characters should be sent into exile.
24

MadJockMacMad,

Edinburgh 11/06/2009 13:23:49
#22
Rich people are already taxed more than poor people by paying 40% of their income in tax. Raising income tax rates has been proven not to increase tax revenues.
Raising tax rates reduces investment.
25

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 11/06/2009 14:32:16
What a state Brown is in. Cameron and his team are now openly ridiculing him in the House of Commons now.

And still Brown rambles on about cleaning up Westminster and being transparent. Time to go Gordon.
26

Arfur,

11/06/2009 15:26:28
Who ever gets in will have to cut due to incompetent Browns debts. The difference is the Tories are being truthful about it and Labour are talking guff.
27

Iainbroch,

11/06/2009 15:53:23
The Tories are pretty much telling us that if you are poor, or old, or ill or Scots, or Welsh, or not one of our chosen Brit elite then you are screwed. All we get from Liebore is lie, lie again and then lie some more! Liebore are Tories in drag but are in denial about it.
28

Observer,,

Glasgow 11/06/2009 16:30:21
24 You are well named Mr Mad.
29

The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 11/06/2009 19:32:45
Why is Broon braying about Conservative cuts? These will have to take place before we have to go cap in hand to the IMF. Having lived outwith our means for the past 12 years it seems he hasn't quite got the message yet that the boom is over, we are bust well and truly and it has to be paid for. The Conservatives are just being honest about it but Broon is going for the "cuts" aspect as if he won't do it himself. It would either be him or an IMF precondition when we really hit the dirt.
30

Iainbroch,

11/06/2009 20:08:12
re29

They cant go cap in hand to the IMF as the IMF does not have the spondoolicks to bail out the Bankrupt UK PLC this time. They have opted already for the Weimar option - printing skip loads of money.

Broonie has made the Wilson and Callaghan govts look like fiscal conservatives with a Capital C!
31

hoblar,

11/06/2009 20:49:27
Scotland isn't holding her collective breath as far as waiting on the really exciting question of whether England votes new labour or tory (the same party in the main)-the unfortunate lack of political choices as far as voting goes in England, simply is not the case in Scotland.

A great thing. I am sure most English residents would agree it would be magic if they could vote for a credible and popular non unionist party such as Scotland has.

If England shared the political choice Scotland has worked against the odds to attain, the union would be finished next general election.
32

Noxious,

11/06/2009 20:55:18
Whoever gets in next time will have to make spending cuts. Its unfortunate for the Tories that one of their guys was gullible enough to be honest about this. Broon is beyond a joke though - its his fault we are in this mess. How does he propose we will service the squillions of pounds of debt he's got us into without making some cuts in expenditure? The fact is, there is plenty of scope to make cuts without affecting front line services. Get rid of the bureaucrats and all the unnecessary administration and form filling. There is a huge amount of waste in our public services and I believe we could easily cut 10-20% of the cost without losing a single nurse or doctor or teacher etc.
33

Alan B,

11/06/2009 21:28:14
Based on the figures labour are meant to be making cuts of 7%. Their hyporacy knows no bounds.

The real question is the degree of cuts and where they cut.

The tories have said they will make cuts to ensure more money for the nhs.

But it is an english argument as we make our own priorities in the sp.

 

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