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Published Date: 17 May 2009
LABOUR last night warned that David Cameron's plans to scrap the European Human Rights Act and replace it with a British version could leave Scottish courts in chaos.
The Tories are to investigate whether they can introduce a Bill of Rights which would supersede the European act currently written into Scots law.

They say the move would enshrine the sovereignty of the courts in England and in Scotland.

But
Labour claimed it would simply mean that, instead of human rights cases being heard in Scotland, they would transfer back to Strasbourg, causing delays and confusion for the public.

British citizens would still have the right to have their cases heard in Strasbourg, even if the Conservatives barred the Human Rights Act from the courts in Britain.

Mr Cameron's proposals have already come under fire from Tory MPs, including Ken Clarke who, three years ago, described the plans to sidestep the European Court of Human Rights as "xenophobic and legal nonsense".

Nonetheless, the Conservative leader will press ahead with a commission to study whether a British Bill of Rights can replace the European act. The commission includes Scots lawyer Paul McBride, who told the Scottish Tory conference last week that the act was helping criminals, not victims.

Under the Tory plans, rights enshrined in the European act, such as the prohibition of torture, will not be removed.

But courts in England and Scotland will be allowed to make their own decisions without being second-guessed by Strasbourg.

The Human Rights Act has run into controversy for regularly changing the rulings of British courts. Deportations have been prevented under the rules over the right to family life, while the UK government was recently barred from retaining the DNA of innocent people on a central database, under the right to privacy.

Edinburgh Labour MP Mark Lazarowicz said: "The convention gives us broad, important principles: the right to life; freedom from torture or degrading treatment; a right to privacy and the freedom of conscience, assembly and expression; and the right to freedom from discrimination.

"What David Cameron proposes would provide no extra rights for citizens, would threaten existing rights and create complexity and confusion in the courts.

"The convention could still be relied on by Scottish citizens, but the rights would be harder to enforce and could well involve lengthy proceedings in Strasbourg. That is to nobody's advantage."

Constitutional experts have described Cameron's plan as "confused", saying that if a British Bill of Rights was weaker than the European one the government would keep on falling foul of Strasbourg.

In 2006, Ken Clarke said Mr Cameron's proposal did not make sense.

"I thought it was, to put it kindly, a muddle," he said.





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  • Last Updated: 16 May 2009 7:20 PM
  • Source: Scotland On Sunday
  • Location: Scotland
  • Related Topics: Conservative Party
 
1

Observer,,

Glasgow 17/05/2009 01:13:08
1 He most certainly is not. Especially when he comes out with plsh like this.

So are you Alannah Currie then ? No one remembers the others.
2

Phil C,

17/05/2009 07:33:51
Some common sense here from Cameron, and basic justice. There are a large numbers of narrow-minded, chip-on-shoulder, inverted snob Scots who rubbish everything Tories say without pausing to think whether there might be some merit in it. We hear cries of poll tax and miners and Thatcher- words from a bygone age. Grow up and move on.

I personally think that we need to get rid of the hugely cumbersome 'human rights' legislation and start again. The existing charters for lawyers to fleece us blind has led to our compensation culture and a strangling of opportunity for individuals and businesses. People need to be made more responsible for their own actions. Buyer beware should be the model, with obvious protections.

I wish the SNP would follow Cameron's lead in looking at the overprotective system we live in and all the harm it does to our society and freedoms.
3

Geoff,

sa 17/05/2009 09:08:43
3 PhilC-absolutely spot on.
4

Geoff,

sa 17/05/2009 09:10:10
What we need is a Bill of Responsibilities!
5

Chris,

Edinburgh 17/05/2009 09:14:14
#3 Phil C: Thankyou, a good comment. Jim Wallace, as a lawyer, should have realised the complications he was introducing, but in his rush to ensure that the Scottish Parliament enshrined the Act before Westminster he was prepared to overlook the 'minuses'.
6

The Creature from the Back Lagoon,

17/05/2009 09:32:28
Okay guys, let's get rid of some human rights.
1st. Ban all tories from elections.
2nd. Lock all tories in places where they can damage themselves and not others.
3rd. Never let tories be able to make a decision about human rights.
4th. Kick all tories out of Scotland!

Now I am not for such rukes, but when we start guys then we got to start somewhere.
But I guess you tory guys mean other peoples human rigts. Not yours.
Or do I get something wrong here?
7

Observer,,

Glasgow 17/05/2009 09:44:33
Some people here seem willing to play fast and loose with Scots law to help David Cameron win the Daily Mail vote at the next election.

I think some of you need to think this through again. And all the implications.
8

SianB,

17/05/2009 11:07:57
Why would tabling legislative amendments involve "playing fast and loose with Scots Law" any more than tabling the amendments which brought Scots Law into alignment with the Human Rights Act in the first place?
9

Media at One,

17/05/2009 12:07:51
I dont care what they do, but as long as prisoners serve hard time and violent criminals face the death penalty or a life in prison without parole in conditions that fit their crime I am happy -
10

Pilrig,

Livingston 17/05/2009 13:13:51
3 - freedoms : )
11

Pilrig,

Livingston 17/05/2009 13:15:20
5 - in other words do what oor political masters tell us !
12

Dún Aenghus,

17/05/2009 13:21:34
Scotland has always done England's bidding,so,whats new?
13

yoric,

17/05/2009 14:36:38
'Scotland has always done England's bidding'

Thats funny, in England we think it's the other way round.
14

Alan B,

17/05/2009 18:51:00
The anti eu aspect of the tories why they are not the answer for running the country.

Scotland needs independence so that it can be outward looking and not get brought down by tory little englander attitude but still have an alternative to the dreadful labour party.

15

Alan B,

17/05/2009 18:53:58
Separatism like this is the price of the union.
16

Media at One,

17/05/2009 19:22:22
When it comes to Britain, England has given more, done more, achieved more and offered more than they have taken - England has put Scotland on the map and London has been an important part of the progress that Glasgow and Edinburgh are now enjoying!
England are the daddy nation in the union, we all know that - But as is often the case in situations such as this, the little dog will always see itself as a bigger dog who is hard done by.
But we know the truth, the world knows the truth and the Scots know the truth.
17

Alan B,

17/05/2009 19:52:40
#Media

You sound like a labour mp who is telling us how honest they all are.
18

Mike Cawood,

Wrexham, Wales, UK 17/05/2009 22:19:13
Never mind repealing the Human Rights Act, we need to repeal the European Communities Act - that would at a stroke remove ALL power that the EU had in Britain.
19

Evia,

18/06/2009 03:45:29
#18 Mike Cawood
Never mind repealing the Human Rights Act, we need to repeal the European Communities Act - that would at a stroke remove ALL power that the EU had in Britain.

Excellent comment, Mike. The majority of British people have no idea of what being in the EU means. They do not realise that Edward Heath lied to us when he took us into what was then the Common Market. He said it was for trade and hid the fact that it would become a political union that would eventually take over Britain and impose on us a dictatorship worse than the one we are in now. Gordon Brown, by ratifying the Lisbon Treaty, sneakily sold our sovereignty to foreign powers, before the House of Lords had reached a decision on whether Stuart Wheeler had won his bid to enable us to have the referendum that was promised but not delivered.

If people had taken the trouble to learn more about the Lisbon Treaty, they would not have voted Labour in again knowing that Brown would take over from Blair. All this human rights nonsense stems from the EU and, whilst I do believe that people have some rights, I do not agree that prisoners are entitled to more than very basic accommodation, food, warmth and health care. They are not entitled to have more than older people living on a meagre pension or families, who through no fault of their own are now in poor circumstances.

We should not be keeping that vile creature, Abu Hamza, and his equally vile criminal sons. If one of us incites racial hatred we would be in far more trouble than Hamza because we are discriminated against and are given more severe sentances. Because we are in the EU, he can't be sent packing.

 

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