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Published Date: 13 April 2009
DAVID Cameron last night demanded a personal apology from Gordon Brown over the e-mails sent by a top Number 10 adviser discussing smearing the Conservative Party.
A spokeswoman for Mr Cameron said that the Tory leader was "absolutely furious" at the e-mails sent by Damian McBride, the Downing Street spin doctor who quit over the weekend after details of messages he sent began to emerge.

Mr Cameron called on the Prime Minister to give a guarantee that such messages would not be sent again.

Downing Street launched a damage-limitation exercise yesterday, with politicians and advisers doing everything possible to isolate Mr McBride and prevent the fall-out from the affair damaging anybody else, particularly the Prime Minister.

Liam Byrne, the Cabinet Office minister, insisted yesterday that Mr Brown knew nothing of the e-mails sent by Mr McBride.

This claim was reinforced by a No 10 spokesman, who said no-one else in Downing Street knew about the messages, which Mr McBride himself described as "juvenile" and "inappropriate" in his resignation statement.

However, there were suggestions yesterday that Cabinet Office minister Tom Watson had been copied in on the e-mails and had known about them since January.

Mr Watson said he had known nothing of the "completely inappropriate" messages.

Privately, Labour managers expect the effects of this extraordinary row to continue for some time.

Derek Draper, a former spin doctor for Labour who recently returned to politics and has been responsible for co-ordinating a Labour website to counter Conservative-leaning blogs, was the recipient of Mr McBride's e-mails.

He is currently in the Canary Islands and is expected to come under intense pressure over his links to the Labour Party on his return to the UK.

Former Labour home secretary Charles Clarke said the position of Mr Draper should be "looked at", along with that of Charlie Whelan, another former Labour spin doctor, as he had been copied in to the e-mail exchange as well.

Mr McBride resigned after details of his e-mails were published on the "Guido Fawkes" political blog.

Mr McBride had written a series of e-mails to Mr Draper in January suggesting a number of possible avenues to smear Tory politicians. However, all of his claims were unfounded.

One suggested there might be "embarrassing" pictures of George Osborne, the shadow Chancellor; another suggested raising questions about whether or not Mr Cameron had an "embarrassing illness"; and another made lurid allegations about Conservative backbencher, Nadine Dorries.

Ms Dorries confirmed she was among four Tories who were discussed in the e-mails, and called for the Prime Minister to say sorry.

"I would also like to know how Gordon Brown would feel if Conservative Central Office wrote such disgusting lies about his wife, Sarah Brown," she said.

Chris Grayling, the shadow home secretary, claimed that the e-mails showed a "structured plan" to publish "blatant lies" about opposition MPs.

He said: "This was right at the very heart of our government. It's a sign of something absolutely rotten at the heart of Gordon Brown's Downing Street."

He added: "The real question now is: was Mr McBride the only person involved in all of this?"

Mr McBride – who has been close to Mr Brown since his Treasury days – said in a statement that he was "shocked and appalled" at the way the e-mails had been used, and regretted any embarrassment caused to the government.

The row could hardly be worse for Mr Brown. Not only has the Prime Minister worked closely with Mr McBride for several years, but he has also insisted that his administration will not be as obsessed with spin as its predecessor.

John McDonnell, a Labour backbencher, has called for an investigation to find out who was involved.

He demanded that the Prime Minister act decisively by launching an independent inquiry.

"Smear tactics like this are not the Labour way," he said. "They drag the Labour Party into the gutter. They just add further to the undermining of the belief that Labour Party supporters have placed in our party."

Nationalist MP Angus MacNeil said: "This whole affair leaves a real stench in Downing Street, and Gordon Brown must say what he knew and when.

"At such a time of economic uncertainty, Gordon Brown must put an end to Labour's dark and dirty politics, and focus on helping households and high streets."

The behind-the-scenes figures unmasked by political scandal for internet age

PAUL STAINES, 41, is better known as Guido Fawkes. The Irishman started his blog in 2004 after being declared bankrupt; the right-leaning site now gets about 120,000 hits a month.

Mr Staines's site has become the best-known, and most successful, Westminster political blog and has claimed at least one notable scalp when Peter Hain resigned from the Cabinet after the blog revealed undeclared donations.

DEREK DRAPER, 41, has been at the heart of the New Labour operation – on and off – since Tony Blair took over leadership of the Labour Party in 1994.

Mr Draper was a top spin doctor in the first year of the Labour government until he was recorded in 1998 boasting to an undercover reporter: "There are 17 people who count. To say that I am intimate with every one of them is the understatement of the century."

This led to a cash-for-access scandal and he withdrew from frontline politics. He later had a breakdown and then retrained as a psychotherapist.

A year ago Draper returned to politics to establish a Labour blog to take on the Conservative blogosphere.

DAMIAN MCBRIDE, 35, was a former Treasury spin doctor who made the move with his master to Number 10.

Last year's debacle at Labour conference, when the departure of Ruth Kelly from the Cabinet was leaked at a 3am briefing in a bar, led to him being moved to a behind-the-scenes strategic post.

As the spin doctor himself said: "We all know that when a backroom adviser becomes the story, their position becomes untenable."

Osborne the cross-dresser and other lies

DAMIAN McBride suggested several possible stories to ensure the New Labour "attack" website got off to a good start.

None was true.

• The first he described as a "solid investigative story" and suggested it "may be a good one to use early". It involved a gay Tory MP and allegations he was promoting his companion's business interests in the Commons.

"He invites MPs to a reception at the Commons – courtesy of the taxpayer – to promote (the retailer's) new fair-trade range of products."

The other suggestions for stories, Mr McBride admitted, were "gossipy and mainly intended to destabilise the Tories".

• Mr McBride seized on the admission by David Cameron in an interview once that, when a student, he attended a clinic for sexually transmitted diseases.

Mr McBride suggested that Mr Cameron should publish his financial and medical records – though there is no suggestion that the Tory leader ever had treatment at the clinic.

• The next subject of a possible smear was the shadow chancellor, George Osborne. Mr McBride suggested hinting that Mr Osborne might have embarrassing pictures from his university days.

"Embarrassing photos have followed George Osborne around throughout his career ... but he knows that the most embarrassing photos from his past have yet to emerge."

Mr McBride then suggested spreading rumours that pictures existed of Osborne "posing in bra, knickers and suspenders" and "with his face blacked up".

• Mr McBride also asked: "Why are friends of George Osborne letting it be known that his wife Frances has been feeling emotionally fragile?"

• In another, later e-mail, Mr McBride returned to the theme of Mr Osborne and embarrassing pictures, and also made some unfounded allegations about Nadine Dorries, a backbench Conservative MP.








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1

Solo Lobo,

13/04/2009 00:07:55
How can the Prime Minister not have known of this plot to discredit opposition politicians when the emails were purported to have been sent from Downing Street?
Brown should be rid of all the spin doctors in Downing Street and start telling the truth for a change.
He should not only apologise to all those targeted in these disgusting emails, but to the electorate as a whole.
As a final act of contrition he should stand down as Prime Minister and call a general election now.
2

Los Angeles,

13/04/2009 00:25:55

Mr Cameron called on the Prime Minister to give a guarantee that such messages would not be sent again. (Cameron)

A slap on the wrist. That'll teach him.
3

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 13/04/2009 02:37:36

It is really hilarious,..."Blog-gate"!

We have,...'Bank-a-gate', from "Watergate"!

We have files and data going missing, lost and stolen,

We in the UK are the,...'Muppet-a-gates'! :))

Just 'laugh-it-off', as MAD UK!!




4

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 13/04/2009 02:39:38

It is really hilarious,..."Blog-gate"!

We have,...'Bank-a-gate', from "Watergate"!

We have files and data going missing, lost and stolen,

We in the UK are the,...'Muppet-gates'! :))

Just 'laugh-it-off', as MAD UK!!
5

Aldi Shopper,

Irvine 13/04/2009 04:11:07
Just wondering how many mobile phones smashed off the wall at Downing Street last week when this became public knowledge?
6

The Kids Are Alright,

13/04/2009 04:39:37
Brown cannot recover from this latest scandal.


I almost spilled my Cocco Crispies when I heard about this one.


What next?
7

The Kids Are Alright,

13/04/2009 05:56:41
What is happening in Norway?
8

steve 1511,

aberdeen 13/04/2009 06:27:28
the stench coming of broons repugnant government is overpowering,sleaze coruption sex scandals dishonest ministers and mps,and now smears from the heart of no 10,new lybour have reduced politics in this country to the standard of a banana republic,
BROON HE IS DOOMED AT THE BALLOT BOX,DOOMED
9

John Cameron,

St Andrews 13/04/2009 06:43:39
Richard Nixon was a strange, damaged, human being. Even his elevation to the ultimate office could not lighten the darkness in his soul. Everything was personal. Enemies were for life. The long shadow of JFK darkened his brightest day. In the White House he surrounded himself with hit men like Haldeman and Erlichman. He was more like a Godfather than a President. Gordon Brown is the UK equivalent. When the solids finally hit the fan, Nixon jettisoned all his loyalists. He battled like fury to distance himself from the whole squalid affair. He insisted till the end that he knew nothing of what was going on in his name. No-one believed him because this had been his modus operandi all his life. The same is true of Brown. Those who have known him since he emerged from Kirkcaldy as a teenager find his denials simply risible. McBride, Whelan and all the rest are first and last HIS men. This is Team Brown.
10

Auld Twa,

Edinburgh 13/04/2009 07:28:00
#10 - The Kids Are Alright,13/04/2009 05:56:41
Today the Norwegians are admitting that they have lost billions due to the international banking collapse - "The Norwegian Banks' Guarantee Fund lost NOK 1,8 billion last year. Kaupthing and Glitnir's collapse led to a serious crash. The fund guarantees the deposits of bank customers."
Also the resignation of Gordon Brown's adviser made it about page five yesterday - "En nær medarbeider av den britiske statsministeren Gordon Brown måtte gå av lørdag etter å ha spredt rykter om konservative motstandere."
11

Thomas Aikenhead,

To attack and smear a politicians wife is too much 13/04/2009 07:28:32
Putting party politics to one side, it was the attempt to use Frances Osbourne, wife of Shadow Chancellor George Osbourne, that really angered both politicians and the general public.

To make allegations about her mental health is despicable.

Gordon Brown must make an immediate, unreserved public apology to this woman or he will be seen to endorse the actions of his aide and subordinate Damien McBride.


12

laoban,

borders 13/04/2009 07:54:43
How about some adult supervision in government instead of spin doctors.

Wasn't it Shakespeare in Richard the Third who said"
kill all the spin doctors " first..or was that barristers...same difference i guess.

13

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13/04/2009 08:07:46
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14

Adamslie3,

13/04/2009 08:11:15
No news today either?

Ho hum, boring, boring, boring....

Ooo errr some emails in Westminster village

Boring boring boring...

ZZZZzzzzzZZZZZZzzzzzz......zz.
15

The Kids Are Alright,

13/04/2009 08:15:09
Brown, my university lecturer who always turned up late, and kept us back so we missed our train connections home.

A man with no feelings for the punters. Only self belief, and a fat wife
16

The Kids Are Alright,

13/04/2009 08:17:41
#13

Thanks

I had been slipping up on the Norway situation recently

17

For Scotlands Future,

Vote For The SNP 13/04/2009 08:18:47
#10 & #13
Norway has lost NOK1.8Bn - wow!!!!

I don't know what the exchange rate is, but they are funding a stimulus program with about USD$2.5bn, which represents about 5% of their OIL FUND.

How much has UK banks and financial institutions lost??

And what percentage of OUR Oil Fund is the GPB75Bn called by No10 Spin Doctors, Quantitative Easing.

OH!! I Forget!!! THE UK DOEST NOT HAVE AN OIL FUND

D I C K HEADS!!
18

Stephen fae Scotland,

San Francisco (& Edinburgh) 13/04/2009 08:19:52
Anyone that has spent a long time round Labour politicians knows they are corrupt and rotten to the core. Now that yet another Labour administration is being shown in its true mendacious colours out come the same apologists.

Many years ago I sat opposite a Labour councillor in Edinburgh and as I was speaking the socialist scumbag (who is now a new Labour MP) accused me of being a fan of child pornography.

It was completely made up on the spot but - as he murmured to me under his breath - damage is done just by the accusation. Then he smiled.

So please - after almost a decade of this cr&p from Labour, New Labour, Blair, Brown, Labourllst, LabourMovement.org, etc., etc., we are supposed to believe in a totally different type of socialist.

Puh - leeze

19

For Scotlands Future,

Vote For The SNP 13/04/2009 08:24:22
So what does this paper do. Follow the No-10 line that "Mr McBride was a lone gunman" - and then print in full the lies just to make sure everyone reads them.

They will probably repeat the lies in every article they have on this.
20

sceptic,

livingston 13/04/2009 08:30:42
This is what Governments do when they are dying. They flail, and bicker, and end up smearing their opponents as viciously as they can. There is little doubt that Lie-bour are on the way out, trounced by the SNP in Scotland and by the Tories in England.
21

Stephen fae Scotland,

San Francisco (& Edinburgh) 13/04/2009 08:32:11
blehh!
22

Nelson51,

Newcastle 13/04/2009 08:35:00
Where did Damien McBride get his infantile idea's from ?. Seems Messrs Ross and Brand have a lot more to answer for.
23

sceptic,

livingston 13/04/2009 08:37:13
Seems that #13 and #21 might benefit from reading a bit of Shakespeare. It would save them the embarrassment of appearing foolish and uneducated.
24

57vintage,

Keith 13/04/2009 08:37:46
It makes a change to see them promoting this stuff themselves (both sides) rather than getting the guttersnipes of the red tops to do the dirty work for them.

Who could be surprised by this sort of "revelation"? Cameron would do well to be careful - I have no doubt that exactly the same sort of thing has gone on and is going on inside the tory party.

Tory/Labour Labour/Tory - who can tell the difference?
25

TWC,

13/04/2009 08:42:16
I watched the Nixon Frost DVD, big gordo is like Nixon. Now he isusing the smear tactic that a Nixon Lawyer used.
However as you know Nixon knew nothing about it.
26

puskas,

East kilbride 13/04/2009 08:46:25
The lady who will be taking legal advice hopefully takes this the whole way through the courts...

Brown and accomplices would be uneasy sitting in the dock as this disravelled.

Hamish MacDonell lets have a wee bit indepth journalism instead of rewriting from the dark side of Labours propaganda machine.
Let the editor of this newspaper know your earning your corn.. Oh! I forgot your topics are also from the Scotsman's hymn sheet.
Ah well what is the Scotsman's share price.

At least it takes Grays ridiculous comments quite for another day..
27

Alexander,

Edinburgh 13/04/2009 08:46:42
27 sceptic
Yep, something is rotten in the state of Brown's Labour.
28

Phil C,

13/04/2009 08:47:35
The only positive thing about being Gordon Brown is that nobody will smear him.

He manages to make a complete trumpet of himself without any help from others!
29

Adamslie3,

13/04/2009 08:54:48
puskas, 30

Aye, I saw her on Sky yesterday and she was hilarious!

She was DESPERATELY trying to rope Broonie into this - but had absolutely NOTHING to justify it.

She was taking legal advice....then she was going to take legal advice....then she was getting advice about taking legal advice

And she was gonna sue....errr....someone...err...I think. Maybe.

Absolute farce.

She wont sue Broonie - she has no case.

She wont sue McBride - she has no case.

She may sue the gutter press that published the spicy stuff......IF it's not true.
30

drunken proffet,

Tassy 13/04/2009 08:55:16
To smear an opponents reputation has always been a political enterprise. Very few ordinary folk would stoop to this kind of slander. However I believe that those who wish to carry it out should be allowed to provided it is clearly marked with the name and political party of the instigator. Alternatively forget it, the last thing you need is losing the gossip and the Labour and Conservatives sweet talking each other.
31

Adamslie3,

13/04/2009 08:55:28
PhilC, 32

there's someone better?
32

James, Edinburgh,

13/04/2009 08:55:58
#22 Stephen. Could you be the same Stephen who spun a tremendous story of the horrors of I D Cards and an experience in Sweden - then admitted, privately, that you had made it all up? Twas a sunny day in the Old Council Chamber when it happened.
33

Adamslie3,

13/04/2009 08:58:48
TWC, 29

LOL, aye, Cameron and Salmond are at it too.
34

Adamslie3,

13/04/2009 09:00:01
Liar, 37: did your daughter get rid of the syphillis?
35

Phil C,

13/04/2009 09:02:37
#35 Adam

Just about anyone else! Get rid of Broon the loon and all his fellow Labour incompetents for good.
36

Adamslie3,

13/04/2009 09:03:29
PhilC, 41: but you cant suggest anyone better?
37

Phil C,

13/04/2009 09:08:25
#42 Adamsilly3

Salmond would be tops in an independent Scotland. To get there some Cameron would be OK. As long as these Labour wreckers are cast adrift from power for ever! And then anyone else who's not in the Liebore party.
38

Alexander,

Edinburgh 13/04/2009 09:09:57
40 Adamslie3
This story was leaked to Guido Fawkes by Liam Byrne after a tongue lashing from Gordon Brown.
39

Adamslie3,

13/04/2009 09:11:13
PhilC, 43

Errr....let me get this right...

to get away from sleaze we should elect some Tory Boys?

Is that really what you're saying?

Really?
40

Phil C,

13/04/2009 09:12:12
Adam, you might have gathered that I don't like Labour very much! I don't understand how anyone can even begin to defend them, let alone vote for them! It's everyone's right to vote freely, but to vote Labour....Jeez, you'd have to be deranged!
41

Adamslie3,

13/04/2009 09:12:15
44: Alex Salmond leaked it to the Press.
42

The Kids Are Alright,

13/04/2009 09:13:26
But Nixon is better looking than Brown.

Now, there's a thought
43

Adamslie3,

13/04/2009 09:13:39
PhilC, 47: I kinda get all of that....but then you advocate Tory Boys as a remedy for sleaze?

A bit like Fred West as Headteacher of a Girls School?
44

Stan Butler,

13/04/2009 09:14:26


Why was comment #4 removed?

I thought it highlighted the cyber gnat's hypocrisy rather well.
45

Adamslie3,

13/04/2009 09:15:37
PhilC, 47

How about Alf Garnett as next head of Race Relations?
46

Stan Butler,

13/04/2009 09:15:46
#43 Phil C

'We didn't mind the economic side so much.'
47

Phil C,

13/04/2009 09:16:04
#45

The Tories are amateurs at the sleaze game compared to Brown's mob.

You don't seem to get it. Anybody would be better than Labour and we wouldn't have been in the same sh*te if the great British public hadn't got it so wrong at the last two elections.
48

Adamslie3,

13/04/2009 09:17:06
PhilC, 47

Ian Paisley as the next Archbishop of Westminster?
49

The Kids Are Alright,

13/04/2009 09:17:24
Leaky Salmond back in tha papers after his two month break to carvea new rocking chair for homeless, using only a Blue Peter parcel and broen spoon,


Maybe his plan for a new chair is not such a waste of time after all


50

Adamslie3,

13/04/2009 09:18:43
Baaawwaaaahhhhhhh!!!! Bawwaaaaargghhhhhhh!!!

"The Tories are amateurs at the sleaze game compared to Brown's mob."

Baaawwaaaahhhhhhh!!!! Bawwaaaaargghhhhhhh!!!


LOLLLLLL!!!!

Phil, 56

Hello!!!!How many of Brown's mob have gone to jail for sleaze?




51

Phil C,

13/04/2009 09:18:53
#56 I'd go with that one.
52

Adamslie3,

13/04/2009 09:19:47
58: hiya Wardog, Jim Murphy, etc etc, who are you today? And for how long?
53

Phil C,

13/04/2009 09:20:14
#59 The whole bl**dy cabinet should be jailed!
54

Adamslie3,

13/04/2009 09:20:47
PhilC, 60

Aye, but your judgement is poor.
55

Adamslie3,

13/04/2009 09:21:24
PhilC, 65: on what charge?
56

Edward,

13/04/2009 09:21:44
'Charles Linskaill'
'Stan Butler'
'Adamslie3'
'danielrober'
Sorry, but youve been outed, your part of Labour's 'Red Rag'operation to smearall opposition to Labour
57

Edward,

13/04/2009 09:23:45
Derek Draper’s “Red Rag” smear site was registered on November 4, 2008 according to publicly available records. Draper had lunch at Chequers with Gordon Brown on Sunday 16, November 2008
Brown recalled Draper to aid the Labour Party, Draper boasted to many people that he was helping Gordon Brown. Did he not discuss with Brown what he was doing for him? Was Damian McBride also at the same Chequers lunch?
58

Adamslie3,

13/04/2009 09:25:32
Edward, 68: only in your dreams.
59

traprain,

13/04/2009 09:25:53
40Adamslie3
"Liar, 37: did your daughter get rid of the syphillis?"
There is a job vacancy at No10 for someone with just your talent and ability apply to Mr Gordon Brown lately of the manse Inverkeithing.
60

puskas,

East kilbride 13/04/2009 09:26:10
No22.

Hi Stephen,

Your experience is indemic of the Lie-bour party.

I go back a long way when joining the Labour party 1960.

I knew the McElhones and his like... Wray, Reid, Ingram (Adam) ... What a shower .

I watched them losing all their principles as they rose to positions within the party.. A! moved ti thir big hooses and soft talked the monkeys into believing.

The constituancies they represented were of the type "monkeys with red rosettes.. Oh! Red Rose now..
Shortly no posters during elections in Glasgow because they have no funds.. (If the cooncillors get their way.)

As they gained higher positions and bigger hooses any principles that they had peviously forgotten now lay in the trough for pigs at Westminster..
I left the party 1975 and over the years my politics on the left of the SNP have produced fine left policies debated and agreed within the broad church which the SNP are..
Let's get this straight the Lie bour party and the left were destroyed from within from my early days and then annihilated from Kinnocks and then Bliars days. progressed to no return under Brown..Tories.

Propaganda and lies is nothing new with any party inparticular Westminster...

The spinmasters have destroyed Scottish peoples aspirations for decades.
Funnily enough this episode regarding e.mails containing smears has been going on before the internet became the use of a large percentage of the population.

Other means.. Well take this and other newspapers as the perfect example.. A wee phone call to the political editor and their you go... No morals when printing absolute bullsh*t for their masters..
However the internet is at the stage the politicions have no control as info is becoming more available to everyone.
Never mind I believe our Westminster masters are hoping to change all that. M15/M16
61

Phil C,

13/04/2009 09:26:16
#67 Theft, corruption, fraud, deceit....for starters.
62

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13/04/2009 09:28:41
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Adamslie3,

13/04/2009 09:29:22
PhilC, 74: are the Police aware? LOL!!!
64

Edward,

13/04/2009 09:31:34
#71 Adamslie3
Sorry but your denial jus doesnt wash, you smell to much of the Labour Red Rag ops
Your only embaressing yourself
65

Stan Butler,

13/04/2009 09:35:57


The gnats can barely contain their excitement at the prospect of a Tory Government at Westminster.

Truly they didn't mind the economic side of Thatcherism so much.

They're hoping for more of the same.
66

Phil C,

13/04/2009 09:37:07
#75 Adam

You can LOL all you want. As I said these guys are small fry, amateurs. Their actions affected few, if anybody. They were storms in teacups stirred up by Labour.

These twits didn't murder tens of thousands or oversee the ruin of our economy or rub our noses in the dirt with expense claims or.....(See Canes @ 61)
67

Adamslie3,

13/04/2009 09:37:21
But Dame Shirley Porter, former leader of Westminster council, looks like becoming our first politician to move abroad permanently in the wake of her misdemeanours. For last week's unanimous ruling by the House of Lords marks the end of Dame Shirley's battle to clear her name over her authority's notorious homes- for-votes policy in the 1980s.

It is worth recalling just what this entailed. Her "homes for votes" strategy was simple: a four-year plan to ensure the 1990 local elections were won by the Conservatives. Council homes in eight key marginal wards would be put up for sale, under the "right to buy" policy, thus attracting more voters inclined to vote Conservative; the poor and the homeless (more likely to vote Labour) would be placed in "appropriate wards". In practice this meant decanting some of them into two tower blocks contaminated with asbestos. The BBC's Panorama programme investigated the scandal in 1989 and this was followed up by a damning report by the district auditor and a decade of legal battles.

Now Dame Shirley must also hand over £27m as a surcharge – effectively a fine – for her part in the affair. Remarkably, she could afford to pay a debt of that magnitude, and still have some change, thanks to her personal fortune, estimated at £70m. But she won't be parting with her cash any time soon because she and her funds have taken up residence in Haifa, Israel.

____

Oh, yes, PhilC....the good old Tory Boy will sort us out!!!
68

Stan Butler,

13/04/2009 09:38:28
#73 puskas


Was Fat N'Eck Salmond speaking for you when he said 'we didn't mind the economic side so much?'

Is that what you felt about Thatcher?
69

Adamslie3,

13/04/2009 09:38:32
PhilC, 81

they're murderers?

Baaaawaaaargghhhhhhh!!! LOL!!!

Surely you MUST tell the Met!!!!

lol!!!!!!


LOL!!!!!!!!
70

Adamslie3,

13/04/2009 09:39:06
Former Cabinet minister Jonathan Aitken has been released from prison - but will have to wear an electronic tag on his ankle for two months.

Aitken walked out of the prison wearing casual clothes and carrying a black plastic bag containing his personal belongings shortly after 0800 GMT on Friday.

He was picked up by a friend, who later dropped off the bag at Aitken's Westminster home.

But Aitken himself is believed to have left the car near Victoria station, in central London, dodging the waiting media outside his Westminster home.

Seven months

He has served almost seven months of his 18-month sentence for perjury and perverting the course of justice, and now is believed to want to study theology.
71

Phil C,

13/04/2009 09:39:21
#80 Stan

Try to keep up. That was 30 years ago and the lovely Margaret is long gone.
72

Adamslie3,

13/04/2009 09:39:36
Disgraced millionaire peer Jeffrey Archer is starting the first day of a four-year prison sentence on Friday after being found guilty of perjury and perverting the course of justice.

Lord Archer was taken to the high-security Belmarsh prison in south east London on Thursday afternoon, where he is expected to stay until he is transferred to a low-security jail.

In another twist to the case, Lady Archer could now face a police inquiry over the evidence she gave to her husband's trial.
73

Phil C,

13/04/2009 09:41:28
Adam. Mere amateurs.
74

Adamslie3,

13/04/2009 09:43:11
Neil Hamilton took Mohamed Al-Fayed to court for libel in November 1999, but lost on 21 December after the eleven jurors determined that he had corruptly taken payments from Mobil Oil in 1989.[10] He also lost the subsequent appeal in December 2000.[11] In April 2001, he was refused leave to appeal to the House of Lords. On 22 May 2001, unable to pay his legal fees and with costs amounting to some £3m, he was declared bankrupt. He was discharged from bankruptcy in May 2004.

Good old Tory Boy.

We can trust them.
75

Il Penseroso,

Inverurie 13/04/2009 09:44:03
#68 Spot on! Labour's second team are now at it. Adamalie and Co are no better than McBride and his fellow rag bags. Brown is up to his neck in this and probably worse than Nixon. Sleekit is so apt for this son-of-the manse. Poor voters in England have some choice! Either a discredited Tory Party or the Giants of Hypocrisy, New Labour. Now Scotland has a choice and an obvious one at that! No, not Ming's brigade. Remember he is a big pal of Gordon's and a unionist to boot!
76

Adamslie3,

13/04/2009 09:44:25
PhilC, 90

have you told the Met about the murderers yet?

LOL!!!
77

Pilrig,

Livingston 13/04/2009 09:45:00
As far as policies go Nu Lab = Tories.

Once upon a time Labour was a scocialist party, ahh the nostalgia !
78

Phil C,

13/04/2009 09:46:13
Adam- I refer the dishonourable gentleman to Canes @ 61. Tory amateurs and Labour drama queens turned hypocritical wreckers and profiteers.
79

Adamslie3,

13/04/2009 09:48:30
PhilC, 96,

by comparison, it matters not a jot, now that you have told us MURDERERS are governing the country.

Can you name them?

Tell us who they murdered?

When?

Have you told the Police?
80

Pilrig,

Livingston 13/04/2009 09:48:48
Labour PM Tony Blair (and his comrade spinmeister Campbell) told told the country that Iraqi could hit the UK within 45 minutes.

"It's a sin to tell a lie"

Amongst the victims of this lie was Dr David Kelly.
81

Phil C,

13/04/2009 09:50:07
#94 Adam

They already know! They choose not to take action. Sadly there are folk being killed every day because of this government.
82

Adamslie3,

13/04/2009 09:50:32
98: Really? And was it a lie?
83

Pilrig,

Livingston 13/04/2009 09:51:10
Adam's Lie & On the buses Stan go into the voting booth thinking that they're voting for a socialist party !!
84

Pilrig,

Livingston 13/04/2009 09:51:27
100 it was
85

Adamslie3,

13/04/2009 09:51:43
PhilC, 99

The Police KNOW there are MURDERERS governing us....and they choose to do nothing about it?

Sheeeesh.

Why?
86

Adamslie3,

13/04/2009 09:52:26
102: Really? That's serious. Naughty naughty Tony.
87

Adamslie3,

13/04/2009 09:53:12
101: do I?
88

Pilrig,

Livingston 13/04/2009 09:54:37
Never was Bambi so energised than when he was rounding up support for his buddy Dubya invasion of Iraq.
And to think that this joker is now the special Middle East peace envoy !!!(when he can be bothered that is).
89

Los Angeles,

13/04/2009 09:54:45


I notice our very own Dancing Butler has moved from objective blogger leaning a little to the Union, to outright hater of the SNP and Scotland.

Didn't take him long to lose an argument, his temper, and now his mask.
90

Pilrig,

Livingston 13/04/2009 09:55:17
105 - you don't ?
91

Phil C,

13/04/2009 09:55:24
The Hutton & Butler Enquiries were amaong this government's greatest sleazefests. Wasteful whitewashes from limited remits.
92

Adamslie3,

13/04/2009 09:56:57
108: are you asking me or telling me?
93

Los Angeles,

13/04/2009 09:57:56
Disgraced millionaire peer Jeffrey Archer is starting the first day of a four-year prison sentence on Friday after being found guilty of perjury and perverting the course of justice. (Adamslie)

What the reason for this post? Archer is history, long known as a fabricator of truth and a rotten novelist. He was part of an 18 year Tory administration that was so sleaze ridden money changed hands OVER tables table not under.



94

Adamslie3,

13/04/2009 09:58:23
PhilC, 109: worse than the Widgery Report?
95

Phil C,

13/04/2009 09:59:08
Adam, settle down. You are one of those Labour drama queens I spoke of. You know, all blinkers and little brain, excitedly babbling irrelevant drivel.
96

Adamslie3,

13/04/2009 09:59:25
LA, 112: apparently some here that kinda sleaze is just what the country needs right now! LOL!!!
97

Adamslie3,

13/04/2009 10:00:25
PhilC, 115: whilst your sage posts tell us we are being governed by murderers and the Police know but wont do anything about it. LOL!!!
98

Adamslie3,

13/04/2009 10:01:03
114: do I?
99

Phil C,

13/04/2009 10:01:10
#113 Adam

Much worse
100

Adamslie3,

13/04/2009 10:01:56
119: in what way?
101

Adamslie3,

13/04/2009 10:02:19
120: UKIP now?
102

puskas,

East kilbride 13/04/2009 10:02:57
No 84 Stan Butler,

Hopefully for yourself... Stan Butler is an alias..

Surely you wouldn't wish the internet to know you as you discredit yourself worldwide..

Many of your posts I notice have little substance but plenty of bile based on sweet nothings.

Are you a male model that only a male would love.

We have a real politician in our First Minister Mr Alex Salmond. A man with morals that many love as the polls tell all. Maybe your caustic comment regards another has blinded you from that fact..
Maybe you are too busy looking into a mirror admiring yourself.. xxxx

103

Adamslie3,

13/04/2009 10:04:49
124: the smugness? the smarminess?
104

Athiest,

swansea 13/04/2009 10:05:22
#75
You are so right.
Where do these people think they learnt their sleaze from.
This boy Hamilton should grow up.
105

Adamslie3,

13/04/2009 10:06:39
123: Mr Alex Salmond. A truly great man.

I mean....look at his achievements. He has...err...well...he just has...err yes.

Yes, see, he's a truly great man.

Full of...well...honour...and things.
106

Adamslie3,

13/04/2009 10:08:25
127: when it comes to sleaze, Labour are a long long long LONG way behind the sleazemeisters: Tory Boy!!!

S'funny how quickly the fools here forget though....
107

Adamslie3,

13/04/2009 10:09:50
129: barf? S'funny....Wardog barfed all day yesterday...until he became Murphy!! Are you a Tory, herr Sleazemeister?
108

Phil C,

13/04/2009 10:10:05
#121 Adam

Widgery was a whitewash trying to protect the 'defenders' of N Ireland and deflame the situation. Butler & Hutton were political whitewashes protecting the government who arranged them.
109

Adamslie3,

13/04/2009 10:11:02
131: critical? Some perspective man!!! Apparently we've got murderers in government....and the Polis dont want to know!!!
110

Adamslie3,

13/04/2009 10:12:04
PhilC, 133: were the Paras right to kill 14 civil rights protesters in Derry that day?
111

Adamslie3,

13/04/2009 10:12:48
136: barf.
112

Adamslie3,

13/04/2009 10:14:20
139: barf.
113

TWC,

ex Labour 13/04/2009 10:17:15
Adamslie,

I've been out, you keep saying that they are all at it but I do not see anybody else fabricating sleaze. Labour like the rest have spun things and embellished them but this is lying and it is just the way it was done by Nixon's men. The question is who directed this guy, he doesn't sit in a cupboard he will be at the weekly briefings and planning meetings.
A head must roll here if Labour are to recover from this, and lets face it they are in deep trouble in England and Scotland.
Even posters on here get screwed by the Nats & Libs because Labour have nothing to offer Scotland -- no positive policies - except apprenticeships, pathetic.
114

puskas,

East kilbride 13/04/2009 10:17:22
Yes the mod are on today. A bit later than normal.. Of course this is not a normal time in politics as the Lie-bour party head into a black hole greater than found in outer space..
Many of these politicians at Westminster and the now retired plead their religous backgrounds to us all..

COS RC etc etc... My God ..

Never in the history of politics in my lifetime have we seen such a deceitful shower of liars, aided and abetted by many journalists and all media in my lifetime..

They can alter hell with many of our blessings.

To those who believe this to be a minor event.

The Lie-bour propaganda machine will have to do better.

Christ, Mandelson where are you.. Disappeared.I wonder why..

115

Adamslie3,

13/04/2009 10:17:56
PhilC,

Let me summarise your case, so far:

- to rid the country of sleaze we ought to elect some Tories
- the government are all murderers.
- the Police know but they wont act.
- Butler & Hutton investigations were whitwashes.
- The Paras were defending NI when they killed 14 civil rights protesters as they sought voting rights, housing, etc.
116

Adamslie3,

13/04/2009 10:18:38
144: barf.
117

puskas,

East kilbride 13/04/2009 10:19:11
"They can all go to hell"
118

Adamslie3,

13/04/2009 10:20:22
142: who directed you to make that post?
119

Adamslie3,

13/04/2009 10:20:48
148: barf.
120

Adamslie3,

13/04/2009 10:21:11
147: with you?
121

Adamslie3,

13/04/2009 10:21:41
141: barf.
122

Darien,

Panama 13/04/2009 10:22:00
He who lives by spin, must surely be brought down by spin.

Goodbye Dr. Brown.
123

Adamslie3,

13/04/2009 10:23:05
153: that'll be most of corporate Britain then.
124

Thistledhu,

13/04/2009 10:26:13
These sleeze stories/rumours must have been the talk of the steemie in No10 are we sopposed to beleive that no one shared these with brown ?
125

puskas,

East kilbride 13/04/2009 10:26:54
No 145.

Have you anything to say about the recent smear campaign from No 10 regards the Tories and shortly the SNP..

Enlighten the board sonny boy. Guidance stopped abruptly from head office.. No10..

You must do better should be your Lie-bour Motto for the day...

BTW on the very recent leaks by e.mail from Broons tomb surely he hasn't asked for your advice recently...
126

Adamslie3,

13/04/2009 10:26:59
155: do you have any information to the contrary?
127

Adamslie3,

13/04/2009 10:28:35
157: Yep, see previous condemnations of McBride.
128

Thistledhu,

13/04/2009 10:32:01
158 no i do not but it does appear a bit dubiouse that one senior aide was mulling this over and told no-one
129

Adamslie3,

13/04/2009 10:33:05
160: OK, you dont.
130

Adamslie3,

13/04/2009 10:36:39
162: barf.
131

Phil C,

13/04/2009 10:37:18
#145 Adam

Tripe. Whatever floats your boat though.
132

Adamslie3,

13/04/2009 10:37:40
163: your vivid imaginings are not my problem.
133

puskas,

East kilbride 13/04/2009 10:38:16
No 156 Canes,

DID BROWN KNOW ABOUT THE SMEARS? YES without doubt.

DID BROWN SANCTION REDRAG? YES without doubt.

WAS DAMIEN MCBRIDE AT CHEQUERS? YES as IS KNOWN.


Glad to help Canes LOL...


Will Damien become a lord an OBE, MBE or something like that.. Unlikely.. Lie-bour are heading into oblivion.

It genuinely saddens me that a party I once believed in as a youth have let so many, many people down.

Vote for Scotland, SNP, and Independence..
134

Adamslie3,

13/04/2009 10:38:54
PhilC, 166: Yep, I thought your case was tripe too - but it has given me a few laughs.
135

TWC,

ex Labour 13/04/2009 10:39:07
149 Adamslie3
Nobody directs me I'm not a member of anything anymore, my sole position is that I want Labour voted out until Slab can break away from UK Labour and develop real policies for Scotland.
I know that without Labour we would still be treated like serfs but I am first and foremost a Scotsman. Give Scotland Fiscal Autonomy and SLab will take holyrood back overnight; don't give Fiscal Autonomy and I for one will vote for Independence. Right now the Nats are beating us up with our own policies.
136

weh,

13/04/2009 10:39:39
12

McBride, Whelan and all the rest are first and last HIS men. This is Team Brown."

Got it in one, John!

Care to post this in Guido & PB?
137

Adamslie3,

13/04/2009 10:39:40
168: Salmond knew about the smears too.
138

Adamslie3,

13/04/2009 10:40:44
171: barf.
139

Adamslie3,

13/04/2009 10:41:12
172: so he must know.
140

Adamslie3,

13/04/2009 10:41:42
175: barf.
141

Adamslie3,

13/04/2009 10:42:07
177: barf.
142

Los Angeles,

13/04/2009 10:42:47
Salmond knew about the smears too. (Adamslime)

I know of no evidence for your assertion, but if he did, what does that prove?

143

Adamslie3,

13/04/2009 10:42:50
180: barf.
144

Thistledhu,

13/04/2009 10:42:56
can i assume red rag is an ongoing campaign and includes proffessional bloggers who have been posting on variouse sites includeing this one?
145

Adamslie3,

13/04/2009 10:43:30
181: which post #?
146

Adamslie3,

13/04/2009 10:43:54
183: you can assume that.
147

Los Angeles,

13/04/2009 10:44:08
your vivid imaginings are not my problem. (Adamslime)

SO, what are you doing barfing all over the thread?
148

Adamslie3,

13/04/2009 10:45:23
186: impersonating Wardog, Jim Murphy, Canes Pug, whatever he's calling himself right now.
149

weh,

13/04/2009 10:45:50
27

It would save them the embarrassment of appearing foolish and uneducated."

Sceptic-problem is, in Britain today, being foolish and uneducated in absolutely NO impediment to self advancement! Indeed, people often try to emphasise their failings in this regard as they feel it gives them kudos in the eyes of their colleagues!

Says a lot about how this once great nation has fallen!
150

Adamslie3,

13/04/2009 10:46:00
187: Barry Ferguson?
151

Los Angeles,

13/04/2009 10:46:43

Adama's whatsit - what is your purpose in arguing against the admitted sleaze machine that is McBride and his pal, a machine there at the behest and payment of Brown?



152

Adamslie3,

13/04/2009 10:46:52
189: Jade Goody?
153

Adamslie3,

13/04/2009 10:48:03
192: which part of I condemn McBride are you struggling with?
154

Adamslie3,

13/04/2009 10:48:26
194: barf.
155

Thistledhu,

13/04/2009 10:48:31
Adamslie3, care to name some of them ?
156

Adamslie3,

13/04/2009 10:49:10
191: barf.
157

Adamslie3,

13/04/2009 10:49:24
198: barf.
158

Los Angeles,

13/04/2009 10:49:36
impersonating Wardog, Jim Murphy, Canes Pug, whatever he's calling himself right now. (Adams Lie)

Ah, you are a slug, after all. And here's me thinking you were merely inarticulate. Now you employ McBride's techniques to slur a genuine contributer to the threads.

A troll of little brain and no importance.

There must be a thread somewhere with intelligent Unionist life on it.




159

Athiest,

swansea 13/04/2009 10:49:51
#129
Shame on your lack of understanding.
Did you not realize that that I was
indicating that when that laddie Cameron
complains about these things, what springs
to the agile mind is POT and KETTLE.
Slease of course is bad from wherever it comes
and unfortunatly there are bad apples in most barrels
and he should grow up and understand it.
160

Adamslie3,

13/04/2009 10:50:07
Thistledhu, 197: some of who?
161

TWC,

13/04/2009 10:50:42
193 Adamslie3,

189: Jade Goody?

Bad taste Adam
Just like McBride
162

Los Angeles,

13/04/2009 10:50:49
He's on automatic, the spin machine has broken and he hasn't received his orders to show 'humility' (Pugances)

He keeps barfing over his keyboard.

163

Adamslie3,

13/04/2009 10:51:37
201: childish insults. No substance. Ho hum.
164

Adamslie3,

13/04/2009 10:51:58
206: barf.
165

Adamslie3,

13/04/2009 10:52:31
205: barf.
166

Adamslie3,

13/04/2009 10:53:14
TWC, 204: ya reckon?
167

Adamslie3,

13/04/2009 10:53:42
210: barf.
168

Adamslie3,

13/04/2009 10:55:17
I sing of a river I'm happy beside
The song that I sing is a song of the Clyde
Of all Scottish rivers it’s dearest to me
It flows from Leadhills all the way to the sea
It borders the orchards of Lanark so fair
Meanders through meadows with sheep grazing there
But from Glasgow to Greenock, in towns on each side
The hammersP ding-dong is the song of the Clyde

Oh the river Clyde, the wonderful Clyde
The name of it thrills me and fills me with pride
And I'm satisfied whate'er may betide
The sweetest of songs is the song of the Clyde
169

Los Angeles,

13/04/2009 10:56:29

I really don't understand the mentality of Scotland haters - to post bile on a website day in, day out, sticking rigidly to insult and abuse, wins them no friends or adherents.



170

Adamslie3,

13/04/2009 10:56:59
214: barf.
171

TWC,

13/04/2009 10:57:51
Barf means

I refuse to answer on the grounds that it may incriminate me.
172

Adamslie3,

13/04/2009 10:57:55
215: good post.
173

Adamslie3,

13/04/2009 10:59:00
218: OK, so you think you can unilaterally determine the meaning of words others use. Errrr...right.
174

KWC,

Edinburgh 13/04/2009 10:59:17
Interesting that all the cronies have instantly rallied around to say that Brown knew nothing of this. This would seem to imply that a lot of senior people DID know about this, or that they all know everything that Gordon knows.

What rot. Of course he knew of it.

Whatever the truth (and there's not a lot of that in Labour politics) we now know that saying sorry (to this sort of thing, to fiddling expenses and to generally not being able to see a financial crisis coming) is all that is required to gloss over incidents. So why is Lord Archer, Jonathan Aitken, the Hamiltons, etc. still brought up by Labour? Wasn't sorry enough for them? Incidentally two of these incidents were personal, not Tory, and the third was never substantiated.

I would say get rid of the numpty in charge, but he does not seem to either be in charge or know what's going on under his roof.
175

Adamslie3,

13/04/2009 10:59:44
217: sleath taxes?
176

Adamslie3,

13/04/2009 11:00:43
KWC, 222: any information that Broonie knew?
177

Adamslie3,

13/04/2009 11:01:07
221: wodner?
178

Los Angeles,

13/04/2009 11:01:12
I think the barfing is because the apology and 'humility' has stuck in his throat..... (Pugnaces)

Another good discussion thread frittered away by an idiot. What's the point? To conceal the Labour party as morally corrupt? To show all political parties are the same and therefore having standards is useless?

Another indication the Internet has severe limitations when it comes to reasoned debate by allowing all-comers, freaks and lunatics, egotists and head-bangers, the near-certified to say anything they like?


179

Adamslie3,

13/04/2009 11:04:13
226: Internet has severe limitations? Well done, Einstein!

If you - or anyone else wants to do reasoned debate on this or any other topic, please let me know.

If, however, you want to post ill informed shoite I can always reciprocate.
180

Adamslie3,

13/04/2009 11:05:08
228: braf?
181

Los Angeles,

13/04/2009 11:05:56

Interesting that all the cronies have instantly rallied around to say that Brown knew nothing of this. (KWC)

Brown always seemed to be absent when decisions on the Iraq invasion were made - yet as chancellor it was his job to budget the results from taxpayers money - though he cut corners on flack jackets and armoured personnel carriers, and the rehabilitation of wounded soldiers.


182

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13/04/2009 11:07:06
Comment Removed By Administrator
Reason:
183

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13/04/2009 11:07:38
Comment Removed By Administrator
Reason:
184

Adamslie3,

13/04/2009 11:08:22
LA, 230: would you have supported tax increases to pay for them?
185

Thistledhu,

13/04/2009 11:08:32
a Labour activist asks one of Gordon Browns staff for gossip and slurs

one of browns staff duely obliged, several others CC'd in on the Email and i am soposed to accept brown knew nothing of it?
186

Mikko,

Drumnadrochit 13/04/2009 11:09:24
Is there a book open anywhere on the election date being 3.6.2010 ?
187

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13/04/2009 11:09:40
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188

Adamslie3,

13/04/2009 11:10:08
236: Yes.
189

Adamslie3,

13/04/2009 11:11:22
235: judging my your level of illiteracy here I would not be at all surprised by ANYTHING you choose to believe.
190

Adamslie3,

13/04/2009 11:11:49
239: good news!
191

Adamslie3,

13/04/2009 11:13:33
242: barf.
192

Los Angeles,

13/04/2009 11:13:36

Pugnaces, the Moderator is taking a look at Adamslie's "contributions" and adjudge whether they are beneficial to good debate or lack of IQ. I'll go and have coffee.
193

Adamslie3,

13/04/2009 11:13:57
243: barf.
194

Adamslie3,

13/04/2009 11:14:49
LA, 245:

Yep, I guess my offer of adult debate was rather frightening for you. Run along now....
195

Thistledhu,

13/04/2009 11:15:25
240 Adamslie3 Ah Slurs that now seems familiar.

Who do you work for then.
196

Adamslie3,

13/04/2009 11:16:51
249: Yep, you'd know slurs....as you made one in 235.
197

Thistledhu,

13/04/2009 11:17:56
250 statement of fact not a slur
198

Adamslie3,

13/04/2009 11:18:32
249: Oooops...who I work for....only fools divulge personal information on these sites. However, if you want to ask me directly re any particular employer I will answer you directly.
199

Adamslie3,

13/04/2009 11:19:13
252: then so is 240.
200

Adamslie3,

13/04/2009 11:20:28
251: barf.
201

Thistledhu,

13/04/2009 11:21:15
254 so you are accepting the brown knew of the slur Emails intresting!!
202

Adamslie3,

13/04/2009 11:21:55
256: No.
203

Thistledhu,

13/04/2009 11:25:32
257 so you are telling us he dosent know what his senior staff are up to.

so basicly he is either incompetent or a liar.

Which is it?
204

Adamslie3,

13/04/2009 11:27:04
260: neither.
205

European Scot,

13/04/2009 11:27:41
Looking at yesterday's 'Scotland on Sunday' thread about the e-mails, it was interesting to see all the Unionist activists rushing in to try and contain the enormous damage that had been done to their beloved Prime Minister, and his well discredited Party.
In the end, it was all a rather pointless exercise, trying to swamp a thread with their one liners, it was never going to make a scrap of difference.
New 'guest' appearances on all day, trying unsuccessfully to divert attention away from the main subject. One can only hope those 'contributors' were well remunerated for their efforts, they should have been on at least double time for a Bank Holiday Sunday.
Although with all those one liners, Unionist headquarters may well want a discount.
What's surprising is that these devotees can't hear the knives sharpening in the background. It's for sure that dear Gordon can.
It must be all over for Brown. He can never get away with trying to play a Nixon in denial over his 'Watergate', claiming he had no knowledge of these e-mails.
A control freak like him, so determined to have his hands on everything, would certainly have known about the tactics, and the intent behind these e-mails, even if he didn't 'know' the exact details of their content.
Unionist headquarters must be paying out again by the looks of it, presumably at time and a half today ! What a complete waste.
206

Adamslie3,

13/04/2009 11:27:52
258, 259, 261: barf.
207

Adamslie3,

13/04/2009 11:28:38
ES, 263: LOL!
208

Adamslie3,

13/04/2009 11:30:49
Tam, 269: got anything to confirm Broonie knew what was going on?
209

Adamslie3,

13/04/2009 11:31:11
271: LOL!
210

Adamslie3,

13/04/2009 11:31:48
273: thank you.
211

The Kids Are Alright,

13/04/2009 11:32:02
Salmond's advisor told him he looks slim in a sripped shirt.

We can olny assume that the rest of the the advice is equally good
212

Adamslie3,

13/04/2009 11:32:55
276: that'll be a "no" then.
213

Adamslie3,

13/04/2009 11:33:16
277: LOL!
214

Adamslie3,

13/04/2009 11:34:00
279: PhilC told us earlier they were murderers.
215

Thistledhu,

13/04/2009 11:34:24
262
so gordon Brown in summary

im not a liar

im not incompetent i just dont know what my staff are up to.

i am not afriad of an election i just like the curtains in No10
216

Stan Butler,

13/04/2009 11:36:14
#122puskas

You didn't answer the question.

Was Fat N'Eck Salmond ('We have a real politician in our First Minister Mr Alex Salmond. A man with morals that many love as the polls tell all.' You sound like Chick Young talking about David Murray, obsequious and sycophantic to the point of disappearing up a sfincter.) speaking for you when he said 'we didn't mind the economic side so much'?

Is that what you felt about Thatcher?
217

ecosseman,

FACTS NOT PROPAGANDA 13/04/2009 11:38:54

LABOUR ARE SCUM!

SORRY-THEY ARE LIARS AND SCUM!

WE DONT NEED THEM,WE CANNOT TRUST THEM THEY ARE AN INSULT TO SCUM.

SCOTLAND DESERVES BETTER!

ROLL ON THE ELECTION!
218

Pilrig,

Livingston 13/04/2009 11:39:02
McBride, Draper, Lord Mandy, Alistair Campbell, Blair, Broon...heroes of the working class.
219

European Scot,

13/04/2009 11:39:32
283 Thistledhu

Summary: Curtains for Brown !
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Pilrig,

Livingston 13/04/2009 11:40:39
And of course Blair paid courtesy visits to his political guru, Thatcher.
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Pilrig,

Livingston 13/04/2009 11:42:04
290 - but dont let that other former working class hero Lord Watson near them : )
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broadgait,

gullane 13/04/2009 11:45:24
Adamslie3/Stan Butler

Wow! many thanks for your sterling efforts on my behalf this morning. You are just the sort of sleazebags we need and like at No10.
Yours very gratefully
Gordon Prudence Brown
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Thistledhu,

13/04/2009 11:45:44
393 come on now you cant be implying that our beloved labour party would have a senior member that looses the plot and tries to burn down a hotel becuase he has been refused a drink oops i think that may have allready happend.

who put Watson up for his peerage then?
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Adamslie3,

13/04/2009 11:46:06
Tam, 282: OK, so now you're angry you cannae support your case.
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Dark Lochnagar,

http://darklochnagar.blogspot.com 13/04/2009 11:48:11
Well done Guido. More power to your elbow. Brown had to know as he had dinner with Draper to discuss the Red Rag website. The stench goes right to the top, no matter how much Labour try to spin it.
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karin.m,

13/04/2009 11:52:46
i dont know why some people are suprised by these revelations i mean you only have to see the lies the labour supporters on here come out with to see that being a liar is what being a labour supporter is all about whatever your position with them. Thats how you tell a labour supporter by their lies.
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James.com,

13/04/2009 11:58:23
" Not flash just Gorden " Yeh Yeh How about a poll on whether the public believe that he knew nothing about it (Gov!)
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Thistledhu,

13/04/2009 12:00:22
he wont apologise to do that would show he had knowledge of the E mails

I find it very hard to beleive that so many senior labour party activists/advisors seen the Emails and Brown still knew nothing.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 13/04/2009 12:00:23
I think a not insignificant off-shoot of this whole tawdry affair may be the self destruction of the Labour Party. The genuine socialists, and they do remain, are posting on blogsites all over the place, expressing their despair at the parvenu carpet baggers and charlatans of New Labour who have led them down this decadent road. And the Blairites are milking it for all it's worth as well. They are like ferrets fighting in a sack. The fault lines have been there for a long time, but it looks like the earthquake may be coming.
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Alan B,

13/04/2009 12:00:38
Brown needs to resign. He had completely lost the plot.
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broadgait,

gullane 13/04/2009 12:01:01
Adamslie3/Stan Butler

Wow! many thanks for your sterling efforts on my behalf this morning. You are just the sort of sleazebags we need and like at No10.
Yours very gratefully
Gordon Prudence Brown

Boys you can relax now your cheque is in the post, sorry I can't pay you in gold someone sold it all off on the cheap.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 13/04/2009 12:03:54
302 He might not have had specific knowledge of the e-mails. It's probably the political equivalent of Henry 11 shouting out who will rid me of this turbulant priest, maybe he didn't want to know the details, but he wanted it done. And he's got time to be sorry now.
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Los Angeles,

13/04/2009 12:07:18

The idea that a loyal spin doctor, working inside the same small building as his employer inhabits, will work AGAINST his employer's instruction, ethics, and standards, beggars belief.

There is no need to prove to a minute or an exact written sentence a link between McBride and Broon. Brown picked him a his right-hand adviser. Brown judged him the right man for the task. How do you get the job? You are interviewed about your ideas for the job. McBride recommended a website called "Red Rag".

McBride's job is to advise spin strategy.

It's the culture inside Number 10 that endorses, encourages people like McBride to feel free enough to spin slur and slime without seeking approval for the detail.

There is no honour in his work ... and there is no honour in the Labour party.

It's dirty tricks.

Perhaps Brown will echo the infamous words of forced-from-office President Nixon:

"When a president does it is NOT illegal!"


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Uistman,

Scotland 13/04/2009 12:07:44
For the last 2 days I have read in awe on the threads as Adamslie has defended the indefensible.
He has smeared everyone in the process ,the fellow posters especially , the Tories (the real Tories that is) the SNP , Alex Salmond.
he has hardly taken time for a cup of coffee let alone sleep to defend his beloved Labour party and the one eyed Scottish idiot.
In Brown's resignation honours list his true identity will be revealed.
Such dedication to the cause of dishonesty ,lies ,smears , theft ,illegal wars ,perversion cannot be ignored by the People's Party
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Alan B,

13/04/2009 12:14:17
Labours tactic is simply. They need to make sure everyone else looks as sleazy and dishonest as them. If they cannot find real sleaze they will simply make it up.

For the sake of democracy we need rid of them even if the alternative is not particularly inspiring.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 13/04/2009 12:17:34
What I don't understand is that they tried to smear the Tories with sex and cocaine. Well, I think everyone basically assumes that the Tories do sex and cocaine anyway, so it seems largely a waste of time in my opinion. They have hoist themselves on their own petard for nothing.
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Adamslie ,

13/04/2009 12:21:24
hi guys!
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Los Angeles,

13/04/2009 12:21:35

McBride was intrinsic to the election campaign in Glenrothes. (Pugnaces)

Elaborate on that for the casual reader, Pugnaces.

Thanks.

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Adamslie ,

13/04/2009 12:23:04
hi Uistman, 308

defending the indefensible?
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Adamslie ,

13/04/2009 12:24:28
AlanB, 309

What is this alternative you talk of?
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Los Angeles,

13/04/2009 12:25:08

Downing Street launched a damage-limitation exercise yesterday, with politicians and advisers doing everything possible to isolate Mr McBride and prevent the fall-out from the affair damaging anybody else, particularly the Prime Minister. (The Scotsman)

If Brown is innocent what is there to "damage"?


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Silence of the Yams,

13/04/2009 12:25:17
Brown has nothing to apologise for, Cameron.
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Adamslie ,

13/04/2009 12:25:39
310: Aye, McBride is an eejit. All but the braindead know that in sleaze the Tory Boy is the daddy!!!
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Adamslie ,

13/04/2009 12:26:42
LA, 316: do you have anything to show that Broon is involved?
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Los Angeles,

13/04/2009 12:27:19


I suggest we "isolate" the troll calling himself "Adamslie" - avoid his provocations - and concentrate on discussing the issue.

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Adamslie ,

13/04/2009 12:28:42
305: Gee - thanks Gordy!
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Los Angeles,

13/04/2009 12:30:02

Qustion:

If 10 Downing Street is a place of strict ethics, standards, and honourable behaviour, how does a slug such as McBride feel able to operate to such an extent he can exchange his rat droppings with a collegues and ask for input?



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Adamslie ,

13/04/2009 12:30:13
LA 320: You're frightened.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 13/04/2009 12:30:56
318 Yes but it's in sex sleaze that Tory boy is usually the daddy. And some financial shennanigans too with the Aitken/Porter/Hamilton axis or Archer who combined the two. Labour are now notorious for grubbing around in the dirt for every penny on expenses they can find. If I had been McBride I would have tried to find something on that. He just wasn't very good, and it shows the measure of Brown's smarts that he picked a diddy like that. He isn't smart at all.
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Los Angeles,

13/04/2009 12:31:12
Worth repeating - Question:

If 10 Downing Street is a place of strict ethics, standards, and honourable behaviour, how does a slug such as McBride feel able to operate to such an extent he can exchange his rat droppings with a collegue and ask for input?
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Adamslie ,

13/04/2009 12:32:22
322: THE HYPOCRITICAL SCRUTINY OF THE ETHICS OF OTHERS AFTER A CALL TO ISOLATE A POSTER WITH VIEWS DIFFERENT FROM HIS. YOU COWARD, LOS ANGELES. SCOTLAND IS WELL RID OF YOUR SORT.
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Adamslie ,

13/04/2009 12:34:29
324: I think you'll find the expenses grabbing is not restricted to Labour. MPs from all parties are up tae their knees in it. A Tory grub has been leaking only Labour misdemeanors - but Cameron has little to say about that.
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Los Angeles,

13/04/2009 12:37:20

Brown is supposed to have decribed McBride's scibblings as "juvenile", another politician as "puerile" - yet the entire subject of smearing is exactly that, so what was McBride employed to do?

Send out missives saying,

"I humbly write to point out you have misinterpreted the Prime Minister's comments. If it is not too much trouble do take time to write to me and I will explain exactly where you view is in error.

Yours,

Getting It Right Secretary to
The Right Hon. Prime Minister, Gordon Brown."
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Observer,,

Glasgow 13/04/2009 12:37:44
327 That's true someone in the Palace of Westminster has been systematically leaking Labour MP's expenses. I think they are all probably at it, so why didn't McBride go down that road. Couldn't he find a mole.
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Mikko,

Drumnadrochit 13/04/2009 12:38:21
In the name of God Gordon, go.
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Uistman,

Scotland 13/04/2009 12:38:36
324 Observer This is not about tory sleaze ,that will come soon enough once they get their landslide in England at next General election.
This is about the sleaziest ,most dishonest government in my lifetime.
Brown as usual is trying to do his Macavity.
He knows nothing ,knew nothing ,a big boy did it and ran away etc etc.
He is either the most incompetent PM/ Chancellor ever or the biggest liar in Downing Street ever.
Either way he is not fit to be PM he has to resign now and face the country.
That would of course assume that the Labour Party would put the country before their own good.
We all know with every Labour member it is party first ,second and always.
Constituents ,area ,country ,morals ,ethics all come way behind self and party.
It is akin to the Vatican sheltering paedophiles to protect mother church.
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Adamslie ,

13/04/2009 12:39:24
Mikko, 331: dont be silly. Is there a credible alternative?
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Adamslie ,

13/04/2009 12:40:25
Uistman, 332: so, you're only 15?
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Adamslie ,

13/04/2009 12:41:27
332: ooops...you couldnae resist that wee bit of bigotry to end your post. Tells us all we need to know about you.
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Adamslie ,

13/04/2009 12:42:31
330: Aye....true. I guess the Tories are just better at this smelly stuff. They've certainly more experience.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 13/04/2009 12:42:36
332 To be perfectly honest with you Uistman I find this rather pathetic. Now I know we are not supposed to mention the war, but compared to what the Labour Government did in launching their invasion on made up lies this is chickenfeed. But I don't care, whatever brings them down is welcome in my view. But I type that in the knowledge that the Tories are just as bad, if not worse.
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Adamslie ,

13/04/2009 12:43:36
337: oh, they're worse. Much worse.
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Alan B,

13/04/2009 12:44:38
#Adamslie

At Westminster there is only one alternative in a 2 party system.
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broadgait,

gullane 13/04/2009 12:47:04
321Adamslie
"305: Gee - thanks Gordy"
Adamslie3/Stan Butler

Wow! many thanks for your sterling efforts on my behalf this morning. You are just the sort of sleazebags we need and like at No10.
Yours very gratefully
Gordon Prudence Brown

Boys you can relax now your cheque is in the post, sorry I can't pay you in gold someone sold it all off on the cheap.

OK, the cheque bounced, but I have asked Alistair to print some more!
Gordon
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Observer,,

Glasgow 13/04/2009 12:47:09
338 They are going to be much worse domestically but I doubt that even Thatcher, mad cow that she was, would have invaded Iraq.
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Adamslie ,

13/04/2009 12:47:54
Alan,

I asked for a CREDIBLE alternative?

Electing Tory Boy because of Labour sleaze is kinda like kickin out the Chairman for Racial Equality and replacing him with Alf Garnett.
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13/04/2009 12:48:49
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Alan B,

13/04/2009 12:50:41
#Adamslie

"I think you'll find the expenses grabbing is not restricted to Labour"

I think there are 2 issues.

1)those that abuse the rules for expenses. Labour seem far worse on that account with senior ministers (not just the lowly back bencher) like McNulty and Smith abusing the expenses to a degree that should be criminal.

2)the whole expenses system is wrong. expenses should not be an untaxed source of income but to compensate people for working away from home to ensure they are not out of pocket. What mps of all parties have been doing is using the massive uncontrolled house price inflation to boost their incomes. Buy a 500G appartment, let the silly levels of property inflation take its course and 10yrs later with min 150% inflation they walk away with 750G and 1.25million when they have paid of the capital. That is completely wrong.
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Uistman,

scotland 13/04/2009 12:51:12
Observer Tory / Labour who cares both are Westminster parties , neither has Scotland's welfare at heart.
They are both right wing reactionary parties.
However since 1945 this has got to be the most corrupt self serving lot ever.
We should be grateful I suppose they have done more for the cause of Scottish Independence than all the SNP members put together.
But do not forget a Unionist is a Unionist be he Labour /BNP/Tory/UKIP/Liberal they all oppose Scotland's self determination.
They are from the same mould that of corrupt Westminster and the South East chattering class
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Los Angeles,

13/04/2009 12:51:29
Just who is Damien McBride? Taming the media has always been central to the New Labour project, and there is nothing in Brown's track record, or his personality, to suggest he adopt a relaxed approach once he inherited the role of prime-minister from BLiar. (Pugnaces)

Don't think I want to know.

Isn't Pia his Scottish equivalent?


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Adamslie ,

13/04/2009 12:52:26
Alan, 352:

Thanks.

1/ Key word: "seems"

2/ I agree. Are you aware it's an all party governance, not "owned" by the government of the day?

I say again - no credible alternative to Labour.
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Adamslie ,

13/04/2009 12:52:53
Alan, 352:

Tories.....frying pan....fire.
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steve52,

Kinfauns 13/04/2009 12:53:46
I recall many many years ago starting work at Bilston Glen Colliery. One of the first things one had to do was join the union. In the union office sat three men and I was spoken to by one of them who was filling in my union member ship form. He asked me what religion I was to which I replied not any but on my birth certificate it states Church Of Scotland.

Thats good he said as long as your not one of them f***ing catholics. This union man went on to become the MP for Midlothian.

So these latest revalations come as no surprise and for anyone who knows anything about politics especially Labout politics come as par for the course.

Now if Ham-ish was to write about Mr Darlings drinking problems or those of Lord Foulks or even Lord ( scrounge of the public) Brown one might just beging to take him a bit more seriously instead of being a Labour apologist.
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Los Angeles,

13/04/2009 12:55:14

I can't be the only supporter of democracy for Scotland to find Fawkes's blog turgid. It's badly written, without a shred of wit, often resorts to jeering, but every now and then he's given a juicy morsel to print. Once Labour is out of power and the Tories in you wonder what he will have to say?


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Alan B,

13/04/2009 12:55:34
#Adamslie

I said in my initial post the alternative was not inspiring.

Unfortunately westminster with a 2 party system means we have a poor choice.

But to continue with labour, the most openly corrupt government we have had, a party that has been economically completely incompetent cannot go on.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 13/04/2009 12:57:37
356 Yes I agree with you. Labour and Tory are moral equivalents. And Labour's venality is unsurpassed. But the Tories are a nasty shower of b/astards who will destroy the public sector and dismantle the welfare state. What remains of it. Let's be under no illusions about that. Guido Fawkes is a good read but he's also a Tory. The enemy of my enemy is not my friend.
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Los Angeles,

13/04/2009 12:59:56
But do not forget a Unionist is a Unionist be he Labour/BNP/Tory/UKIP/Liberal - they all oppose Scotland's self determination.
They are from the same mould that of corrupt Westminster and the South East chattering class. (Uistman)

I'd say they all oppose full democracy for the people of Scotland, no matter how friendly their handshake. Every now and then you meet an individual member of those parties who IS very sympathetic to an independent Scotland. Somehow they are never the ones to gain power.

Slugs such as McBride see to that.




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Los Angeles,

13/04/2009 13:06:47
Damein (pugnaces)

You're thinking of the fictional spawn of the Devil in the movie franchise. Our Damian spells his name with an "a" to ensure we realise he cannot kill people, only careers by assassinating character.
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Los Angeles,

13/04/2009 13:09:07

In Glenrothes we got a taste of McBride's negative spin campaigns, focused on personality smears and downright lies about service provision. (Pugnaces)

It was he?

Cue Terry Thomas voice: "Oh, lummy! I say! The bounder. What an awful swindler."



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Alan B,

13/04/2009 13:12:30
#366 Observer

Cannot really agree with you.

"But the Tories are a nasty shower of b/astards who will destroy the public sector and dismantle the welfare state. What remains of it."

1) "What remains of it" the size of public sector has continue to grow since ww2. labour have spend alot with the issue being they spend much more than the country was taking in in taxes despite the tax rises. And they went on a pfi public sector spending frenzie that means the real debt level is much higher than official debt levels.

2)Will the tories really destroy the public sector? Is that not just the labour myth. The public sector has grown rapidly in size since ww2 with the tories being the main party of power. Even under thatcher despite what labour said nhs spending grew. It was only when the uk had to go to the imf in the 70s when labour made a complete mess of the economy was nhs spending ever cut. Despite the reteric thatcher did not really cut taxes she moved them around moving from direct taxation to indirect taxation. Major on taking over from thatcher grew public spending levels at increased rates.
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Uistman,

Scotland 13/04/2009 13:16:59
Illegal wars , cash for honours ,illegal donations,cash for laws,sexual scandals ,expenses fraud,email character assasination , selling off of gold at knock down prices , pensions grab,the worst ever recession , climbing umemployment, vote rigging ,dodgy dossiers , back hand mortgages for 3 times acked Mandelson, Blunkett and the mistresses maids immigration application, Griffiths and the tart,privatising NHS , Royal Mail
and still there are people who would vote for them.
The question is why?
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European Scot,

13/04/2009 13:20:57
373 Canes Pugnaces

Thanks 'Canes', just before lunch as well !
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The Tin Man,

13/04/2009 13:33:23
We are perfectly capable of making smears, and writing nonsense, without government assistance, thank you very much.
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Stan Butler,

13/04/2009 13:36:52
#376 Baggy Troosers

You're doubtless too stupid to appreciate the paradoxical nature of your post.

No matter, it amused me.
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Stan Butler,

13/04/2009 13:39:54
#378 Col. Blimp­IV*

'A Tory Government is in the best Interests of the Poor, the sick and the dis-possessed.'

'We didn't mind the economic side so much'

Do you agree?

'Any notion that an independent Scotland would be a left wing country is delusional nonsense.'

Do you agree?


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Alan B,

13/04/2009 13:56:21
#Stan Butler

'A Tory Government is in the best Interests of the Poor, the sick and the dis-possessed.'

Comparing labour to the tories i would say labour are better in the short term but are so economically incompetent that they are worse for those at the poorer end of the economic scale over a period of time making the tories better. Labour simply bankrupt the country. We can see this now and in the 70s when labour had to call in the imf and be the only party ever to cut nhs spending.

'Any notion that an independent Scotland would be a left wing country is delusional nonsense.'

That depends on how people vote and how the parties present themselves. It also depends how you define left wing. Labour, lib dems and snp all sell themselves as centre left but are all capitalist parties. As such they advocate a righ wing philosophy. Left wing as in socialist with the state owning the means of production is unlikely to happen post independence.

'We didn't mind the economic side so much'

The full statement was that it was more the social policies while disliking the economic policies. I think the problem with that statement is how you want to define social policies. Stuff that is regarded as social policies within an eu context like employment policies to me is eocnomic.

Looking at the indepth thatcherite eoonomic policies i do not think the public realy understand or care. I mean thatcherite targetting of the money supply the public would not understand. Using interest rates as the sole tool to control inflation has been carried on by labour. As such it is hard to say the public did not like the same economic policies that labour continued with. It is also difficult to say why someone else does not like something that you also dislike as the reasons may be different. Different people attach different importance to different things.

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Richard Lionheart,

13/04/2009 13:58:39
Allegedly McBride did not intend these e-mails to enter the public domain.?????

Well not at the moment anyway!!!!
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Richard Lionheart,

13/04/2009 14:03:27
McBride reports directly to Gordon Brown and takes instructions from him.

Gordon Brown is not responsible for HIS staff at No10!

After the age of the irresponsible Chancellor this must be the age of the Irresponsible PM.

Must be time for memoir writing!!
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Denis,

13/04/2009 14:11:32
Earlier today, "Formal Request for Criminal Investigation of McBride and Whelan", on the blog of one Craig Murray:

http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2009/04/formal_request.html

"I have today sent the following to Tom Watson MP:

Dear Mr Watson,

This is a formal communication to you in your ministerial capacity. I write as a former senior civil servant and a life member of the FDA.

It appears to me that there is the clearest of prima facie cases that Mr Damian McBride has committed the criminal offence of misconduct in public office. There appears a strong prima facie case also against Mr Charles Whelan.

I believe that you have a ministerial duty to draw this concern to the attention of the appropriate police authorities so that an investigation may be undertaken. No doubt you will wish to consult the Cabinet Secretary, but in the case of a credibly alleged breach of the criminal law, not only of the Civil Service Code, I believe you are also under an obligation to consult the police.

Yours Faithfully,

Craig J Murray"
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The Tin Man,

13/04/2009 14:11:39
#338 Col

Would you say that the UK has eolved "the political philosophy that best reflects the condition of it's inhabitants..." ?
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The Tin Man,

13/04/2009 14:18:55
#392

I want Cathy Jamieson to get full State Presidential powers, for several terms of office (in the Republic of Shettleston).
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The Tin Man,

13/04/2009 14:27:56
#396 Col

Indeed. But we like that.

Will Edinburgh be given a city-state devolution settlement, with full tax-raising powers, within the Scottish State?
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Thistledhu,

13/04/2009 14:38:43
cant help but wonder if this Tactic of smear and rumour has been discussed at the highest of levels in the labour party what other dirty tricks would be looked at?

has the voteing register for the glenrothes by-election turned up yet?
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Pilrig,

Livingston 13/04/2009 14:56:11
Gordon Broon the biographer of Jimmy Maxton. He's lso the guy whose pension raid as Chancellor 12 years ago means millions of Britons will have substantially less money when they retire. And of course he's the man who bankrolled Bambi's Iraqi follies.
Never mind though, his comrades Stan Butler and Adamsaradgelie think he's the bees knees.
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Pilrig,

Livingston 13/04/2009 14:57:23
397 - like stumping up for their trams and other follies ?
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ochone,

Sauchie, Clack's 13/04/2009 14:58:18
The worst aspect of this story is that there will be those in Labour circles who will consider that the worst thing that McBride did was to get caught!

Moral compass anyone!

Lets not forget it's those down in London whom tell the Labour lot up here what to do and say, which explains an awful lot.
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Joe Macdelta.,

13/04/2009 15:39:28
Its all been said.
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Media at One,

13/04/2009 15:42:31
So the tories want an apology! Interesting that during one of the most volatile periods in world politics, ongoing wars and terror attacks, British politicians are looking for apologies and creating uproar about trivial emails.
What nice problems to have - REAL people are battling to pay the bills, the banks are in a state of disrepair, lay offs are a daily occurrence and society at large is restless. But hey, lets have an email war!
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The new waspy,

13/04/2009 15:57:35
#403
Lets have a thread war.
I hate you cause you always speak sense and tell the truth and it should not really be allowed.
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Stan Butler,

13/04/2009 16:17:12
#388 Col. Blimp­IV*

Your nirvana will of course need a national anthem. Here's a wee suggestion. I think it catches the realistic element of your vision.


One evening as the sun went down and the jungle fire was burning
Down the track came a hobo hiking and he said boys I'm not turning
I'm headin for a land that's far away beside the crystal fountains
So come with me we'll go and see the Big Rock Candy Mountains

In the Big Rock Candy Mountains there's a land that's fair and bright
Where the handouts grow on bushes and you sleep out every night
Where the boxcars are all empty and the sun shines every day
On the birds and the bees and the cigarette trees
Where the lemonade springs where the bluebird sings
In the Big Rock Candy Mountains

In the Big Rock Candy Mountains all the cops have wooden legs
And the bulldogs all have rubber teeth and the hens lay soft boiled eggs
The farmer's trees are full of fruit and the barns are full of hay
Oh, I'm bound to go where there ain't no snow
Where the rain don't fall and the wind don't blow
In the Big Rock Candy Mountains

In the Big Rock Candy Mountains you never change your socks
And the little streams of alcohol come a-trickling down the rocks
The brakemen have to tip their hats and the railroad bulls are blind
There's a lake of stew and of whiskey too
You can paddle all around 'em in a big canoe
In the Big Rock Candy Mountains

In the Big Rock Candy Mountains the jails are made of tin
And you can walk right out again as soon as you are in
There ain't no short handled shovels, no axes saws or picks
I'm a goin to stay where you sleep all day
Where they hung the jerk that invented work
In the Big Rock Candy Mountains

I'll see you all this coming fall in the Big Rock Candy Mountains
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Stan Butler,

13/04/2009 16:30:41



'Nationalist MP Angus MacNeil said: "This whole affair leaves a real stench in Downing Street, and Gordon Brown must say what he knew and when.'


Pot, kettle, kettle, pot.


SLEAZE MP: MY SHAME AT 3-IN-BED TEEN SEX SCANDAL

Apr 9 2007 By Cara Page

A SHAMED Scottish Nationalist MP made a humiliating public apology yesterday for romping on a hotel bed with two girls aged 17 and 18.

Married father of three Angus MacNeil admitted he was "wrong and stupid" to indulge in "foolishness" with the girls.

But a senior SNP source claimed that MacNeil's admission of guilt would not save his job as MP for the God-fearing Western Isles.

The insider said: "He might as well pack his bags. He won't be forgiven. The community here expect their politicians to lead the way, both morally and politically."

MacNeil made the police complaint which sparked the cash-for-honours sleaze scandal at Westminster and is seen as a rising SNP star.

But the MP's own weaknesses were exposed at the weekend when two young girls talked about their booze-fuelled "heavy petting" session with him after a ceilidh on Shetland in 2005.

Minister's daughter Judie Morrison, who was 17 at the time, told how MacNeil bought drinks in a hotel bar for her and her pal Catriona Watt, then 18.

She added: "We got to his room and we all ended up in one bed.

"We were having a giggle and he was being very suggestive. He took off some of his clothes and I was sitting on the end of the bed and Catriona was lying beside him in the bed.

"I did heavy petting and I kissed him. We both did that with him."

Catriona added: "I kissed and cuddled and fondled him. There was heavy petting and kissing."

Judie and Catriona, both talented young musicians from the isle of Lewis, were playing in a band at the ceilidh. They romped with MacNeil while his wife, Jane, was pregnant with their third child.

The girls said they were too drunk to have full sex with the MP.

Yesterday, MacNeil, 36,
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The Tin Man,

13/04/2009 16:31:42
I see that MSP Anne McLaughlin has been implying that the Glenrothes election was rigged in her indygalineurope blog. I hope that's not a smear, now...
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Stan Butler,

13/04/2009 16:36:03


............Yesterday, MacNeil, 36, said: "Yes, some foolishness took place at a post-ceilidh party, which was wrong and stupid.

"There is no allegation that anything further happened and I wish to make that absolutely clear.

"It was a lapse of judgment two years ago, for which I am sorry.

"I bitterly regret that this incident occurred and I apologise to my family for causing them embarrassment and hurt.

"I also apologise to the young women involved and their families. I really should have known very much better."

MacNeil, a former primary teacher, was not answering the phone last night at his croft on the staunchly Catholic isle of Barra.

He was elected MP for the Western Isles in 2005 and rose to prominence after going to police with claims that the Labour Government offered peerages in return for loans to the party.

MacNeil's complaint sparked a major scandal and a police investigation which is still ongoing.

Prime Minister Tony Blair has been interviewed twice by detectives and more than 90 others have been questioned.

After the scandal broke, MacNeil was tipped as a future leader of the SNP. But a senior Nationalist insider claimed last night that the Shetland sex romp, exposed by the Daily Record's sister paper the Sunday Mail, could end his career.

The source said: "This will be frowned on very much and he won't be forgiven by the electorate.

"The community here expect their politicians to be much more above board.

They expect them to lead the way both morally and politically.

"We don't expect our politicians to have feet of clay - a weakness in the character of a respected person.

"They should look after themselves and behave the way they expect other people to behave.

"Angus might as well pack his bags."

One resident on Barra said the community would stand by MacNeil's wife, a popular dancing teacher on the island.

The woman said: "Jane is well-liked by all the mums who take their kids to her classes. T
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Stan Butler,

13/04/2009 16:37:30



....The woman said: "Jane is well-liked by all the mums who take their kids to her classes. They are all voters and they will not look sympathetically on Angus's behaviour."
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Uistman,

Scotland 13/04/2009 17:09:50
Good tactic that Stan try deflecting from the main issue with smear against opponent.
That way yuo can imply all politicians are as bad as each other.
The other part of this strategy is NEVER EVER admit any wrongdoing in your unioist boss.
Express mral outrage at any slip up by Nationalist.
Look for any typo mistake or inaacuracy in any reply.
Should this occurr play it up big time ,anything to get away from the truth in this case lying and corruption by your beloved Labour bosses.
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Stan Butler,

13/04/2009 17:18:47
# 413 Col. Blimp­IV

'The fellow exhibited near super-human self restraint and you are castigating him.'



I am sure that beatification is only a heartbeat away for such a fine upstanding fellow.

He's a sleazebag. I know it. You know it. The dogs in the street know it.
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puskas,

East kilbride 13/04/2009 17:46:42
No285..Butler ..


No. Hopefully you understand. Stupid question though
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Jo'Burg Jock,

South Africa 13/04/2009 17:52:18
From Wikipedia:-

under the heading "casualties of the Iraq War" :-

"On January 9, 2008 the World Health Organization reported the results of the "Iraq Family Health Survey" published in the New England Journal of Medicine.[4] The study surveyed 9,345 households across Iraq and ESTIMATED 151,000 DEATHS"

According to CNN:-
"There have been 4,592 coalition deaths -- 4,275 Americans, two Australians, one Azerbaijani, 179 Britons, 13 Bulgarians, one Czech, seven Danes, two Dutch, two Estonians, one Fijian, five Georgians, one Hungarian, 33 Italians, one Kazakh, one Korean, three Latvians, 22 Poles, three Romanians, five Salvadoran, four Slovaks, 11 Spaniards, two Thai and 18 Ukrainians -- in the war in Iraq as of April 13, 2009,"

Stan Butler,13/04/2009 17:18:47

DO YOU FEEL GOOD ?
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Geoff,

sa 13/04/2009 18:01:10
Hi Blimp!

Much Ado...
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Geoff,

sa 13/04/2009 18:04:27
Angus Macneil -in bed with two teens over the age of consent!! Is there any man out there who can not be thinkin"Lucky Bu**er"?
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Los Angeles,

13/04/2009 18:36:05
MSP Anne McLaughlin has been implying that the Glenrothes election was rigged (Tin Foil)

I take it you have found the mysteriously missing Voter's Register to prove to the MSP and Glenrothes electorate it was not riggid?

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the reporter,

Godalming, Surrey. 13/04/2009 19:30:18
Sorry is always the hardest word, but maybe gordy might earn some brownie poinyts by just simply say " sorry".
However, expect Gordy to say sorry ? doubt it ! would open the the flood gates for demands for apologies, starting with his wreaking of the pension funds, going back to 1997.Best we all have to wait for his apologies outside Downing street , prteferabley this year , rather tahn next year when the people have decided, or is a bit of action like in Thailand to do with "unelected" prime ministers needed ?
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Stan Butler,

13/04/2009 19:51:02
#419 Geoff

'Angus Macneil -in bed with two teens over the age of consent!! Is there any man out there who can not be thinkin"Lucky Bu**er"?'


You're obviously not a parent.

I think you'll find that most parents would find his behaviour deplorable and not a little sinister.

You wouldn't want him teaching your children, would you?


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Stan Butler,

13/04/2009 21:09:16
#424 Canes Pugnaces

Would you want sleazy 3-IN-BED TEEN SEX SCANDAL and married father of three SNP MP Angus Macneil teaching your children?
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Tris,

13/04/2009 23:20:33
Brown should also apologise to the British taxpayers who are having a hard enough time already (thanks to his mishandling of the economy) without having to pay members of his staff to peddle filth about the opposition because they haven't the intellect to counter them on policies, at the same time as we subsidise second homes and third homes for his MPs while they rent out property and make huge profits.

He should ask for, (and pay for) the BBC to broadcast a ten minute abject apology and do a bit of grovelling to us, his masters.

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Tris,

13/04/2009 23:31:38
The funny thing with Stan is that every few days there is some new Labour sleaze... theft, sex, disrespect to war dead, and lying, etc, etc.... and every single time Stan comes out with his tired old story, which he repeas over and over again about a guy getting into bed with legal teenagers. Stan, have you thought about setting up a blog Yawn@Stan.com?
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Los Angeles,

14/04/2009 01:07:14
I think you'll find that most parents would find his behaviour deplorable and not a little sinister. (Tap Dancing butler)

Hello, Jeeves.

Doing Damian McBride's work for him now he's on "paid leave," are you?

The only thing sinister is your behaviour.


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Haggis MacBagpipes,

Central Canada - ex Perth & Glsca' 14/04/2009 04:14:54
I realize this comment is off topic, but I just found out what Tony Blair is up to now, and I wonder what happened to his great job as the UK envoy to the Middle East?????

http://www.tonyblairfaithfoundation.org/

Didn't he, a short time ago, change his religion to become a Catholic, to be the same as his wife? and now it seems he is running the Tony Blair Faith Foundation, Perhaps it pays more money than being an envoy does?
Cheers,
Haggis MacBagpipes™©
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Haggis MacBagpipes,

Central Canada - ex Perth & Glesca' 14/04/2009 04:33:54
The way I read it is ... nobody is overjoyed with
New Labour and almost everyone is screaming for Mr Gordon Brown to step down and call a General Election,
But not too many seem to be in favour of a Conservative Government...nor an SNP one, so what are you left with,
Lib/Dem's? though I can't see that happening in the near future (next 50-years).
Perhaps it is time for the GREEN's to make a better showing! ... Just j/k.
Cheers,
Haggis MacBagpipes™©

 

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