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Published Date: 19 June 2009
YOU heard it here first. There is no climate change debate. Not any longer. It's old hat, yesterday's news.
At least, I should say, no debate remains over whether the climate is changing. Every credible scientist, commentator and politician agrees the evidence for a steadily warming climate is irrefutable.

And this is not just a distant problem – somet
hing for hotter countries to worry about or for future generations to fix. Climate change is happening now – figures from the Met Office show 13 of the 18 hottest years on record have occurred since 1990.

The debate has now turned to what the impacts will be and what we can do to avoid – or adapt to – the worst of it.

In Scotland, we will undoubtedly avoid some of the more extreme impacts likely elsewhere in the world. But there is certainly no room for complacency. Given that global emissions are expected to remain at a relatively high level for the foreseeable future, we can expect notable differences from the climate we have come to regard as typically Scottish.

So we need to adapt the way we live and work to cope with a future where important aspects of Scottish life could be affected – whether that means changes to the way in which we grow the barley that makes our whisky, the species of fish we land in the North-east ports or the future direction of our leisure and tourism industry. Indeed it may affect the degree to which we protect ourselves from floods or drought or even weather-related health issues such as severe bronchitis or heatstroke.

We have a very good indication that it's likely to be wetter and warmer during the winter months. This implies less frost – which on the face of it may seem like good news – but which at the same time could have implications for future incidence of agricultural pests.

It would seem we can expect a greyer, rainier winter outlook in future. Our tourist industry is already making adjustments; a few years ago the Cairngorm Ski Centre, near Aviemore, changed its name to Cairngorm Mountain signifying its switch from a winter-only attraction to an all-year one.

Towards the end of this century, the temperature on the warmest day of the year could be as much as 6.5C warmer, even in the north of Scotland. This might mean we see less of the "several seasons in one day" phenomenon that many of us who visit the Highlands will know only too well.

Cities are likely to experience even higher temperatures because the urban environment effectively holds in heat. And this may have adverse effects for anyone with underlying health difficulties. Here at the Met Office we are already working with the health services across Scotland to look at how patients can be alerted and protected from extreme heat or atmospheric conditions that cause breathing difficulties.

When it does rain during the summer, it's likely to be more intense than at present, raising the risk of the flash flooding we saw last summer in Fife.

Seas around the UK are projected to be 1.5 to 4ºC warmer than at present.

• Alex Hill is chief government adviser at the Met Office.





The full article contains 549 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 18 June 2009 10:56 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Climate change
 
1

truthsleuth,

19/06/2009 00:57:51
It has been 20 years since the accelerated climate change problem was recognised 20 wasted years that could have been usefully used to avoid the worst that is yet to come.

Wasted years due to the fears of the petrolheads and air brains that their life styles would have to change.

Now what could have been progressive small steps are likely to become rather bigger ones and we are all likely to have major changes to our lifestyles which could have been avoided.

The activities of the banks and the credit crunch will make some changes unavoidable and this is possibly a 'good' effect of the credit crunch.

The problem now is we will not have the resources to meet the rapid investments required in a very short time.
2

T M,

LA,USA 19/06/2009 07:36:08
Typical Left tactic...just say that any scientist, commentator or politician that doesn't agree with you isn't "credible"
3

Hmm ...,

19/06/2009 08:17:29
... "chief government adviser at the Met Office" = government propagandist.
4

Unimpressed one,

19/06/2009 08:25:46
Now it's going to be 6.5 degrees warmer. New computer model or just a new figure plucked out of the air. Same difference.

We are now witnessing the results of a global pandemic of collective insanity, infecting SOME 'scientists', aided and abetted by politicians and the supine media. there have been examples of this type of mass hysteria in the past, the European witchcraft trials come to mind. Then it was the accepted wisdom that Satan existed, and thousands died. Now the planet is doomed because we have gone through a small natural warming period, as we have countless times in the past. History will judge the motives of the modern witchcraft believers.
5

Boy Wonder,

19/06/2009 08:54:07
I've been growing growing pineapple, coconut and bananas for years without the trees and the weather for it.

Gene-splicing and hydroponics ... that's the way forward!
6

eyeswider,

19/06/2009 09:17:32
Alex Hill is chief government adviser at the Met Office....

He mentions debate twice. I never did see a proper one yet. This, just like "climate science" is so full of holes it is beyond a joke.

Shame he cannot supply some evidence that the world has warmed due to CO2 - he is not alone there though. I would have said he is in good company but that would be twisting the words. Self serving fear mongers such as he are far from "good".

This opinion piece, for that is what it is, has nothing but a "computer model" put forward as "credible".. well.. anything.

The number of times "likely" is repeated in this science fiction fantasy horror story is very telling in itself.


The only thing most of us would agree with?

"Climate change is happening now".

Really? And your salary is how much?

Best paid witch doctor in history.

7

Occam's Razor,

Edinburgh 19/06/2009 09:41:20
Aye aye, here we go again. Nothing but low propaganda and leftie groupthink. Their constant stream of make-believe and science-faction is enough to induce vomiting.

As the voice of reason has been drowned out by the media swamp of regurgitated press-releases and greasy lazy journalism, then I have no option but to be as reactionary as possible.

I gave up recycling months ago. I chucked out all those crappy weak greeny lightbulbs and replaced 'em with proper shiny energy hungry ones. I drive wherever I bloody want. I even stopped cycling to work (bicyclists are amongst the worst of the do-gooders, screw 'em). And it feels MAGIC!

I don't give a monkey's, nor should you! Go on, to hell with their guilt-ridden fantasy pinko-prop - live life to the full, you only get one bite at the cherry and you're a long time deid. Remember, you're not the ones profiting from this fakery and political manoeuvring, you mugs!

Sue me! lol
8

eyeswider,

19/06/2009 09:44:19
He could have picked a better month to come out with this junk.

June. UK.

Extract the June anomalies from the CET record and plot them.

Flat. Over the whole record. Even in the late 20th century.

January on the other hand....

It would seem that the warming we have "suffered" recently has mostly been in northern hemisphere winter.

A bit odd unless you know where to look for an answer. And it ain't in the seas.

When it flips around......

Cold. Soon.
9

El Franko,

19/06/2009 10:47:53
'Chief Government Advisor at the Met Office' What kind of job is that? Is it like the political officers in the old USSR, allocated here there and everywhere to try to ensure political correctness? Or is he a lobbyist chosen by the Met Office to help squeeze more money from the taxpayer by feeding even more silliness into the system?

The reality is that it is absurd to be so confident about the fine details of the future climate. Our knowledge is nothing like good enough. We make guesses a'plenty through, and by a modest margin the one to bet on for the next wee while would be a cooling spell associated with reduced solar activity, followed in the longer while by the increased variability characteristic of the periods which precede glaciations.

What should we do? Seek strong economic growth to increase our options for dealing with whatever climate fluctuations come our way.

What we not do? Anything that weakens our economy, and diverts resources from where they are best directed, and anything that does psychological harm to the young in the short term (the 'scare stories' beloved by the evil greenies - and I do mean evil) and which may make them cynical of science and politics in the longer term when they realise they have been duped.
10

fred bloggs,

Edinburgh 19/06/2009 11:16:12
The sad people who ignore the overwhelming evidence for AGW but don't understand the science and post nonsensical scepticism on these boards would appear to be suffering from the Dunning-Kruger effect:

'an example of cognitive bias in which people reach erroneous conclusions and make unfortunate choices but their incompetence robs them of the metacognitive ability to realize it". They therefore suffer an illusory superiority, rating their own ability as above average. This leads to a perverse result where people with less competence will rate their ability more highly than people with relatively more competence.'

Wikipedia
11

Occam's Razor,

Edinburgh 19/06/2009 11:30:48
@ #10 Bred Floggs

Command-C - Command-V.

Dull isn't it. Must try harder my boy. 'Overwhelming evidence' my educated white butt. The only overwhelming evidence in evidence is the smell of your lentils. Green guff!

"The oblique paradox of propaganda is that the lie in the throat becomes, by repetition, the truth in the heart."
John Grierson

See? Any monkey can find a convenient quote/shakily verifiable source to verify one's opinion (much like those beardy 'climatologists' - just cos it has an ology don't make it no science ma.) Gawd bless teh intarweb. Gift to the unimaginative and uninformed everywhere.

C'mon Frederick, bite me! lol
12

Unimpressed one,

19/06/2009 13:05:56
Fred bloogs,

Dunning-Kruger effect. New word? Like the sound of it? Take away speculation, computer predictions wild guesses and the lemming syndrome, where is this 'evidence' you refer to?
13

Slioch,

Scottish Highlands 19/06/2009 14:26:24
#8 eyeswider

You suggest, "Extract the June anomalies from the CET record and plot them."

You claim the result is, "Flat. Over the whole record. Even in the late 20th century."

That is not true.

Let us do just what you suggest. I can't show a graph here or do a least squares fit, but the next best things is to show simple five year averages for Central England June temperatures. Here they are:

Period Temperature
1974-1978 14.30C
1979-1983 14.16C
1984-1988 13.84C
1989-1993 14.20C
1994-1998 14.30C
1999-2003 14.76C
2004-2008 15.14C

The first three 5-year (mid-point 1981) periods average 14.10C.
The last three 5-year periods (mid-point 2001) average 14.73C.

That represents an increase in average June Central England temperatures 0.63C in 20years, ie. 0.315C per decade.

The average rise in temperature of the Northern hemisphere as a whole over the same period is 0.230C per decade (calculated by the method of least squares), see:

http://www.woodfortrees.org/data/hadcrut3nh/from:1974/to:2009/trend

So Central England's June temperatures are rising faster than the Northern Hemisphere as a whole. That is to be expected since the latter includes ocean areas that, due to their huge thermal inertia, warm more slowly than land areas.

As I've said to you before, eyeswider, the only escape from your present position of disbelief and denial is to get yourself some scientific training so you will at least be able to analyse data with some proficiency.
14

Slioch,

Scottish Highlands 19/06/2009 14:35:55
#13 I meant to include the link for the Central England temperature record. It is:

http://hadobs.metoffice.com/hadcet/cetml1659on.dat
15

Occam's Razor,

Edinburgh 19/06/2009 14:46:29
@ #13 Silo

Wheesht.

"In sum, a strategy must recognize what is possible. In climate research and modeling, we should recognize that we are dealing with a coupled non-linear chaotic system, and therefore that the prediction of a specific future climate state is not possible." -- Final chapter, IPCC Draft TAR 2000

And the rest is pure speculation, personal aggrandisement, political agenda, fear-mongering, uninformed drivel, cheap newspaper headlines, media pap, voodoo and junk-science.

Your go Silo...
16

eyeswider,

19/06/2009 15:12:15
Excel doesn't lie. Not yet anyway.
17

eyeswider,

19/06/2009 15:16:46
http://www.hadobs.org/

18

fred bloggs,

Edinburgh 19/06/2009 15:47:55
15. Occam: I see your source for quotations is the notorious scientific fraudsters 'junk science', funded by the fossil fuel industry liars and bullies of the good old USA.
19

fred bloggs,

Edinburgh 19/06/2009 16:18:46
12. unimpressed wants to see the evidence.

This indicates that he is indeed suffering from the afore-mentioned effect.

However, just for the record and going solely from memory I would say:

Observations of the following:

global warming correlating with the amounts of greenhouse gases added by man since the beginning of the industrial revolution,

shrinking of most of the earth's glaciers over the same period

rising of sea levels

increase in severe weather events

increased rainfall

poleward movement of many species

accelerating extinction of many species

increased melting of ice-caps and the steady shrinkage of the arctic summer ice

the absence of any explanation for these anomalies other than warming of the atmosphere by heat-absorbing gases from industry, transport and power generation.
20

fred bloggs,

Edinburgh 19/06/2009 16:32:31
11. Occam:

PS: so witty and clever of you to transpose the initial letters of my name. How I laughed!
21

Occam's Razor,

Edinburgh 19/06/2009 16:41:19
@ Bred Floggs

I'm glad you got a lol at the name thing, I'm surprised you noticed, given your shades are probably mirrored on the inside.

I'm gonna say it again, just to spoil your nice Guardian reading day:

THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS ANTHROPOGENIC GLOBAL WARMING! Climate change is natural and ageless. Nothing in nature remains in stasis, change is fundamental and inexorable. Get over it. The polar bears will. Or not, rofl.

I sense the presence of a pseud - simple simon pretendy science nerd. That you Fred? Fred?
22

fred bloggs,

Edinburgh 19/06/2009 17:08:50
occam:

I can understand how you feel. You feel inferior and inadequate because there is this big scary thing happening called global warming and you have no scientific training to help you understand what's going on.

You have feelings of frustration because you don't want to believe you are part of the problem. Therefore you get angry (e.g. using caps = SHOUTING) and start insulting people who do understand what is happening. (Calling people names denigrating any source quoted etc.)

Occam, the problem lies within yourself. Get yourself an education and some manners.
23

Occam's Razor,

Edinburgh 19/06/2009 17:29:52
Excellent! I feel so much better. Isn't the power of empathy amazing? lol

My science degrees were clearly a waste of time, after all we have the Grauniad to tell us why we're all going to die a horrible hot and sweaty death haven't we Fred?

Inferiority and inadequacy are the least of my worries my old bongo-playing hemp-merchant. Whilst we're doling out life lessons, I think you might need to develop a sense of humour... Unless giggling at the inanity herein is killing baby seals and causing the level of my bathwater to rise. Like the oceans. Not.

;o) kissy kissy
24

El Franko,

19/06/2009 18:19:43
Here's some reading to help you chaps spend some time away from the message postings: http://www.bobbrinsmead.com/e_An_Irrational_Fear_of_Carbon.html

The AGW hypothesis has yet to be supported by observation or experiment, and is totally unnecessary to account for climate variation over the past 200 years. Hence it is not high quality science. The high quality involved is only in the manipulative arts of politics and media hype.
25

fred bloggs,

Edinburgh 19/06/2009 18:34:06
Franko your link says carbon dioxide is completely beneficial and non-toxic. Check this out:

'Toxicity and its effects increase with the concentration of CO2, here given in volume percent of CO2 in the air:

* 1%, as can occur in a crowded auditorium with poor ventilation, can cause drowsiness with prolonged exposure.
* At 2% it is mildly narcotic and causes increased blood pressure and pulse rate, and causes reduced hearing.
* At about 5% it causes stimulation of the respiratory centre, dizziness, confusion and difficulty in breathing accompanied by headache and shortness of breath.
* At about 8% it causes headache, sweating, dim vision, tremor and loss of consciousness after exposure for between five and ten minutes.
26

fred bloggs,

Edinburgh 19/06/2009 18:50:47
The other old chestnut of an argument in your link is the one about the atmospheric concentration of CO2 being too low to have any effect and yet a simple lab experiment can show quite clearly and definitely that infrared is strongly absorbed in a column of air only a few metres long.
27

El Franko,

19/06/2009 19:45:12
#25, #26 Sorry Fred, you have just exposed yourself as a superficial reader as well as a superficial thinker. Scarcely a surprise to me since you share these characteristics with all AGW alarmists.

The insight the AGW scam has brought to the study of the credulity as well as the mendacity of man is perhaps one slight benefit we may get from the whole sorry, shameful episode.
28

Unimpressed one,

19/06/2009 20:10:08
#19, Fredbloggs, is this it?? The 'evidence' that the world is doomed? I thought you were just full of it and this list just confirms it.
29

Unimpressed one,

19/06/2009 20:16:11
#21, Occam

"Nothing in nature remains in stasis, change is fundamental and inexorable."

Not quite. One thing has proved constant throughout the history of humanity on the planet and it is this: human gullibility. Just look at the insanity done in the name of the worlds' religions for starters. Now we have a new god called scientific consensus supported and bastardised by the green movement. All rational thinking has been sacrificed on this alter.
30

fred bloggs,

Edinburgh 20/06/2009 16:37:22
28 Unimpressed one:

You asked for evidence and I provided you with a list of the known and well documented phenomena which are evidence. You then ridicule it.

To criticise a theory is acceptable if the grounds are rational but to ridicule actual verified observations indicates that you are totally irrational and completely incapable of understanding the science.

 

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