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'Your children are too fat. Either they lose weight or we'll take them away'



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Published Date: 24 March 2008
A COUPLE have been told their children must lose weight – or they could be taken into care.
Social workers warned the parents they have only three months to help three of their six children shed the pounds.

They want to see an improvement by June in the 12-year-old boy, who weighs 16 stone, and two of his sisters, aged 11 and three, who
weigh 12st and 4st respectively.

The family, from Dundee, have been ordered to send their children to dance and football lessons to help them lose weight.

Another couple from the city are facing the same fate over concerns their only child is obese.

The development highlights Scotland's childhood obesity crisis, which has already forced some as young as 13 to seek NHS weight-loss surgery. Only the United States has more overweight children, underlining fears that our current generation of youngsters may not outlive their parents.

But politicians and health experts have described the intervention of social workers as "deeply worrying" and questioned their powers to break up families.

The family, who have not been named to protect the children, said their slimming deadline was set at a meeting with child protection officers, in which they were warned all six youngsters would be taken away.

The 39-year-old mother, who weighs 23 stone, said: "This is every family's worst nightmare. We have been told they are going to take them from us unless three of them lose weight.

"I just can't stop crying at the thought I could lose my beautiful children for ever."

She went on: "They keep making an issue about the kids' weight. Social workers have even tried to tell us our baby is fat.

"I don't even own a deep-fat fryer. All my food is home-cooked and the kids are not fed junk food at all. I feel we are being victimised. Children can carry a bit of puppy fat, but they tend to lose it as they get older. Ours are not being given that chance."

Mary Scanlon, the Scottish Conservatives' health spokeswoman, said: "To punish the family by taking the children into care because of their weight is not positive or helpful – it is deeply worrying.

"The decision to take children into care has to be a last resort. Splitting up a family should be the very last consideration where the future health of the child is at great risk."

Dr Colin Waine, of the National Obesity Forum, said: "This has to be a last resort. We must understand the health dangers associated with obesity, but the approach I favour is regular monitoring of children's weight from birth to avoid drastic action like this."

Dundee City Council said: "We are not able to comment on individual child protection issues."

A Scottish Government spokesman said: "Obesity is an increasing problem and poses a very serious threat to our nation's health."

COUNTRY'S ALREADY-WORRYING OBESITY RATES ON THE RISE
SCOTLAND is the second fattest nation on Earth, with only the US weighing in heavier.
Figures published last year found that one in six boys and one in seven girls in Scotland are obese. For adults the rate is worse, at one man in four and one woman in five.

A report by the Scottish Public Health Observatory in September also found obesity was not limited to deprived inner cities. More than 70 per cent of men and 65 per cent of women in Orkney, Shetland and the Western Isles are either overweight or obese – the highest rate in the country.

Almost 500,000 cases of high blood pressure can be attributed to obesity, as well as more than 5,000 strokes a year and almost 30 per cent of all colon cancer cases.

The cost of treating these obesity-related diseases was last estimated six years ago, at £171 million.

In 2003, the Scottish Health Survey showed that obesity rates had increased significantly in recent years, with 22 per cent of men deemed obese compared with 16 per cent in 1995, and 24 per cent of women obese, up from 17 per cent in 1995.

Overall, 64 per cent of men and 57 per cent of women were either overweight or obese in the 2003 figures.





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  • Last Updated: 24 March 2008 12:41 AM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Obesity , Children's Diet
 
1

Resolutions,

24/03/2008 00:09:52
Good grief this family has a major problem if they are that weight quoted by the paper!

Surely, instead of threatening the family, there should be SUPPORT for them as a unit, to tackle this situation. Help is needed-not threats.
2

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 24/03/2008 00:14:28
As far as I know, all the food and drink I had today had no 'hallucinating drugs' in it,
but
'By God' I must be,,'hallucinating' reading this madness!


What next,?.. your child is NOT Dressed in the appropriate colour!

Take them in to care!

"But politicians and health experts have described the intervention of social workers as "deeply worrying"

Dammed RIGHT!
3

Hen Mc Stoorie,

Port William 24/03/2008 00:18:10
#1.WELL SAID..HELP IS WHAT THEY NEED..NOT SEPARATION.
4

The Daleks,

Longmen 24/03/2008 00:48:32
Terrifying stuff.

So the ever sinister social work department think it's better to have unhappy thin children in care, than happy overweight children at home with their parents?

The PC groups who control our lives/speech/thoughts these days have an agenda. Undermining the traditional family unit is just part of it.

It's about time people woke up to the dismantling of our society as we know it.
5

Evia,

24/03/2008 00:52:07
Could this obesity be the result of a medical condition? If not, the parents have a lot to answer for. A 12 year old boy weighing 16 stone is not carrying puppy fat. The mother says they don't own a deep fat fryer but how many fry-ups do they have each week? How many other calorie-laden foods do they eat? We are meant to look after our children and bring them up healthily.

I must agree that social workers are too heavy handed at times. Instead of threats, they should be referring the children to a dietician who could advise on diet. Exercise is badly needed but social workers don't know how much it costs for things. Dance lessons are beyond the means of some families so is sending the boy to football. Physical exercise in schools should never have been stopped.

The 23st lady probably didn't see anything wrong with letting her children become so obese but, with all the publicity we have these days, she should have been making an effort to stop her them becoming so .

Our children are precious and if we don't take care of them someone else has to do it for us. It's a bit late for the lady to start crying. Many couples would like children and are unable to have them yet others won't look after theirs properly

6

Matt there,

somewhere 24/03/2008 00:54:29
What a special fool the social workers who thought this idea up!

Surely this will encourage the children to equate sensible eating and exercise with being separated from their parents and put into care?

And I DO hope that the medically unqualified social workers have put these ideas through the proper medical channels for expert advice. Dance lessons and football lessons are not necessarily the best or safest ways to reduce weight, especially in someone morbidly obese.

There's clearly a problem (mum is, after all, is 23 stone herself) but I do not think this is the right way to solve it.
7

Rob_ert,

Ayrshire 24/03/2008 01:04:03
The Gestapo never knew what it started! I suggest electric shock treatment for the parents until they see sense followed by supervised visits to Tesco and compulsory exercise sessions down the park. If that doesn't work wire their jaws up so that only fluids can be taken, that should do the trick. Perhaps the sadist Brown can invent another tax to teach fat folk a lesson, purely for their own good of course!
8

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 24/03/2008 01:04:35
IT IS CONTROL, GONE MAD!

Just as is, the issue being proposed to take into care the 'Baby in the Womb' before She or He is Born!

Or did no-one see that one,?
9

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 24/03/2008 01:07:41
Scottish Parliament issue about 10 days ago, but press
'Hushed-Up'!
10

EPS,

Edinburgh 24/03/2008 01:20:56
#5 Thankyou for a sensible, balanced comment.
11

Fifi la Bonbon,

24/03/2008 01:24:09
Ths comes at the end of a long process of support - the commenters above are wilfully ignoring this fact. If the very fat parents can't achieve any weight loss within three months they are clearly endangering their very fat kids' lives with their neglect, and someone else needs to take over. These are fat children, and their fat headed parents have the responsibility for their feeding and exercise.

The 23-stone fat woman say's she's not being given a chance - yes she is! She's getting three months. She is clearly deluded, though, because she thinks her fat kids' fatness is puppy fat.

Well only if they've been eating puppies. Has the SPCA been informed?
12

A Better Way,

Edinburgh 24/03/2008 01:59:52
Charles is really going off on this one, which is just another rant by the forum record holder on rants.

Anyway back to the actual topic. Its okay for all you know alls out there to jump up and down decrying the Children Protection unit as being part of some big brother conspiracy. You are basing your opinion on an article written by a journalist who works for a newspaper, that is facing an ever decreasing readership.

Yes if the CPO are just coming up with a whim. But like most honest people I am willing to be convinced that the story is a bit more complicated. To say that the parents are to be allowed to over feed their children to an extent that it would probably threaten their life, is just plain silly. That would be abuse, and tantamount to being manslaughter if any of these kids died from complications attributed to gluttony.

The New Labour Party former Executive decided that investing in Scottish Children by continuing PE at school, was a waste of money, despite sending 1.5 billion quid back down south to their masters in Westminster. Thats a fact. They obviously didnt have the intelligence to realise that many many Scottish Kids gain an interest in sport if there is early exposure to it.When I was at School many years ago we played football with a tennis ball because we were not allowed to take a full size ball to school. That same school produced some great footballers, with one being Graham Souness. Kids and parents need to get back to the basics. Throw your telly out or at least restrict it to a couple of hours per day, the same should apply to computer games and the Internet. Dont buy the latest electronics or brand names as a deliberate strategy. Say NO to your kids and follow it up with a good skelp if things go too far. Tell your kids they are clever and are really good at things. Tell them you are proud of them and get of your erse and get involved even if you are knackered. Give them jobs to do around the house and make them earn any money t
13

wnaegele,

Albuquerque 24/03/2008 04:31:35
"Health Care" in the British Isles has truly become an Orwellian term...
14

NMlost,

US 24/03/2008 06:05:36
Sic Dr. Jillian of "You Are What You Eat" on to both families... :D
15

diasporian,

Tokyo 24/03/2008 06:31:39
Yes, fat is a problem...especially in the head. These power-drunk social-work functionaires should be transferred to a back office where they won't encounter the public.
16

Geraldine Firequeen,

Nelson 24/03/2008 06:41:01
Fat is a problem, yes. Thin is a problem. When I was a kid I was sent for sunshine treatment for being too thin. Taking the kids away does no good, but they and the parents must be helped into a healthy lifestyle and they would all be the better for it. Maybe the threat of taking the kids away was designed to shock the parents into doing something, after nothing else had worked. What worries me more is barmpot religionists being allowed to bring up children - after all, these fat ones will die out due to natural selection and the inability of the very fat to breed. Liked the comment about eating puppies!
17

Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 24/03/2008 06:44:40
Wowie! At last the community is demanding that parents take proper care of their children!

At this rate parents of delinquents will soon be imprisoned in reformatories alongside their brats.

Wonderful news.
18

Boy Wonder,

24/03/2008 06:56:12
I get fed up with people denouncing other people or kids as fat or obese ... especially without knowing the full medical facts! I know a family where the parents are thin but the children are morbidly obese. It is their genetics however that are the cause,not food intake or lack of exercise. Their thyroid systyem is out of whack. Their body morphology is simply different and there's nothing can be done.

We are in danger of letting the fatistas take over the asylum. Being fit and healthy is one thing ... but we are not all meant to be the same ... and skinny as I unfortunately am, I'll fight for anyone's right to be different any day!



19

Boy Wonder,

24/03/2008 06:57:25
Charles ... take your meds!
20

dorothy,

New Mexico USA 24/03/2008 07:28:01
A couple of years ago we had a little girl taken away from her parents because they would not stop feeding her. The child had a medical condition that caused her to always feel hungry and to cry for food. She was hospitalized and her mother received training to care for her, like how to distract her when the daughter thought she needed to eat.
It is a health issue. The mom in this story sounds like she has a weight problem herself, probably a combination of metabolism and careless (not necessarily "bad") eating habits. We don't have national health care here, so this family would likely be paying extra for health insurance just like those who smoke tobacco, drink to excess or ride motorcycles without helmets. If you feel it is fair to pay for the inevitable health emergencies of these groups of people out of the public purse, then this is just an individual parenting issue.
21

deeks rearend,

24/03/2008 07:36:36
FAT LOT OF GOOD THAT WILL DO ?
22

fife runner,

24/03/2008 07:38:46
this is a good example of child neglect. To allow your kids to get so fat as to endanger their lives with type 2 diabetes, heart disease etc etc is as dangerous as any other from of neglect of kids.
23

OscarMacApfel,

Dumfries 24/03/2008 07:41:24
"Children can carry a bit of puppy fat, but they tend to lose it as they get older. Ours are not being given that chance"

Err lots of incredibly stupid comments this morning chaps, this is ABUSE not some Nazi control freakery.

Social work didn't just appear at the door of this mother of six, simply because she and her children are obese. She has been referred to social work either by her GP, the kids school or possibly a neighbour has reported their concern for the well being of the children.

24

OscarMacApfel,

Dumfries 24/03/2008 07:48:45
#26 Dave. So should social work intervene if these kids were undernourished, starving?

This is purely and simply bad parenting.
25

Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 24/03/2008 07:55:30
It sounds like Dave from Barra should be taken into care. I hope his views aren't typical of the Outer Hebrides.
26

OscarMacApfel,

Dumfries 24/03/2008 07:56:19
Dave you're utterly wrong.

You're basically saying you would rather close your curtains than report child abuse.

The likelihood is that this woman will have been seen by health and social work for many issues.
27

james 1st,

hamilton 24/03/2008 07:56:32
she is doing something wrong if her 12 year old is 16 stone
and i wouldnt think that this would be regarded as puppy fat
the family has beengiven three months to make an effort and presumably will not have their children taken if they do so, i think thats quite reasonable
something needs to be done to save children in this circumstance
28

Gdgy,

24/03/2008 08:10:53
classic case of stick and carrot...the only way to make these parents realise that THEY are endangering the lives of their children is to give them this sort of ultimatium..otherwise it would be denial, denial and shortened chronically ill lives for their kids.
I think the family should be pilloried for taking this matter to the press...shabby!!!

Sorry no joke intended about carrot and stick....
29

Kenny A,

24/03/2008 08:25:22
30

In the Islands childern are cared for to a very high standard, if anything in general they are overprotected.

Little crime, good education and strangly very, very few fat childern. Reading this artical I wonder if it is a genetic condition that has caused these childern to become so vast. If it is diet will do little good.

Have to take issue with the way Dave from Barra has put things, but social workers have screwed things up in the Islands, Hebridies and Orkney a few times so I can get his drift to an extent. They have a hell of a habit for interfering where nothing has happened in order to justify their existance. Saying that they have done well on occassion.

The people in the Hebridies as I am sure those who have visited the place will agree are generaly hard working, caring decent people, who value their childern above all else.
30

eric,

24/03/2008 08:33:41
Changed days I remember being forced to eat everything i didnt like at dinner school,that was 1960s.Punishing the public for bad gvt (too much freedom)Is not the answer.
31

bill mccall,

Bonnells Bay 24/03/2008 08:36:26
It is or inalienable right to be as fat or as thin as we like. It is not the work of government or it's employees to dictate to us what or how much we can eat, drink or exercise. Certainly we cannot expect that certain benefits will accrue to us if we are careless in our use of them, but no government has the right to take our children away if we allow them to overeat. Unless of course the government as whole is intellectually bereft and led by a mental midget such as Adolf Hitler. But that is the way we are going it seems. Better start having our pie and chips and then run a mile or two before they catch us.
32

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24/03/2008 08:38:36
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33

Kenny A,

24/03/2008 08:40:58
37

Well said, a few good points in your post.
34

OscarMacApfel,

Dumfries 24/03/2008 08:44:35
There you a wee bit of exercise will do the trick


http://tinyurl.com/38mgo6
35

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 24/03/2008 08:52:02
The way things are going in this country, is making Hitler look like he was our 'Fairy God Father'

Think Hitler was bad,?

'You ain't seen nothing yet', have you,?
36

calum,

24/03/2008 09:01:37
".....and football lessons to help them lose weight." Eh?, no choice there apparently. Can you imagine the reaction of potential team mates to a a 16st laddie? Apart from the fact that there should be a choice of exercise, wouldn't he be better off at a rugby club where there is a game for everyone, no matter what their shape or size. Once he loses a bit through training he sound like an ideal prop material. That and years of support, camaradierie, games, social life with no tribal rivalries to contend with.
37

OscarMacApfel,

Dumfries 24/03/2008 09:09:38
To put this into some kind of rational perspective away from accusations of totalitarianism and fascism, this kid is ELEVEN stones heavier than my 12 year old.

It's akin to him walking about with Joe Calzaghe on his shoulders...
38

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24/03/2008 09:17:57
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Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 24/03/2008 09:20:10
#37

Interesting point. Since 1937 it's been an offence to mistreat a child through underfeeding. That has, rightly, never been an issue. So what's wrong with the other extreme being taken as seriously? Most people seem to be quite happy to see the abuse continue. How many chances does this stupid woman get?
40

ghost chaser,

the other side of the pond 24/03/2008 09:21:46
In response to " Only the United States has more overweight children " i have to say DUH !!!!!!! we have more people per capita then scotland. This is a serious problem that needs to be addressed. maybe if more was offered other than fast food and video games, perhaps children may again return to playing outside and eating balanced home cooked meals.
41

OscarMacApfel,

Dumfries 24/03/2008 09:24:53
#43 So you're saying the state actively pursues a policy that denies you the right to exercise or play?
42

It's me!,

24/03/2008 09:28:05
If these children remain with the parents and die from some obesity related disease I'm betting the posters above who complain now about heavy handedness, police state etc, will be the very same people who will complain that social services should have taken extreme measures to save the children. Well done to the Child Protection Unit. The 23 stone mother needs to be saved from herself too!
43

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24/03/2008 09:30:04
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Kanoo,

Pakistan 24/03/2008 09:33:55
Who are these faceless social workers who obviously lead exemplary lives - wouldn't it be wonderful if they were to be given a taste of their own medicine and their every action scrutinised. I wonder how many of them would fail the tests.
45

When facism returns, they will wrap it in our flag,

24/03/2008 09:35:09
Oh yes! And heaven forbid they should use the playing field at any school during the weekend!

If they did they might serendipitiously learn about attachment to educational establishment as the hub of a community.

So the formal policy there is to put padlocks on those spaces at the weekend and teach kids that there is no shared ownership of this place of supreme authority that resents them.
46

ghost chaser,

the other side of the pond 24/03/2008 09:35:22
i have a question, the " stone " what does it equal to pounds in weight measurement
47

It's me!,

24/03/2008 09:40:44
#48. Not only do the locals want to look at the grass the dog owners can't handle the complaints from the children's parents for allowing their dogs to defecate on the green grass so complain to the council about children. The no ball games signs go up leaving the green grass free for dogs to defecate. Sad country this. Dogs are more important than children. I've had dogs and I've children. Much as I loved my dogs I love my children much much more. Let's get back to the days when traffic was prohibited from certain streets to allow children to play and exercise safely. They are much more important that dogs and cars. I'm a car owner too.
48

When facism returns, they will wrap it in our flag,

24/03/2008 09:44:10
Another formal policy is the illegality of pen-knives.

My old man gave me a cracking lock-bladed (5 inch) knife when I was 13. We'd go crabbing down the beach, carve wooden handles to make decent rope swings. Remeber the cloth a cub scout wears around their knecks is to make slings for broken arms!

Never had need to carry the knife unless I was scouting, camping or playing the woods/beach.

The state now has a formal policy that this is illegal.

Then the state wonders why young males are fat and loitering on street corners.
49

It's me!,

24/03/2008 09:44:43
#51. 14 pounds. I'm old enough to remember being sent for a 'forpeit of tatties'. Translated into English that is a fourth part of a stone of potatoes which is 3.5 pounds. I would have made that an old fashioned fraction but have to use decimal because I can't find fractions on the keyboard!
50

Nikostratos,

24/03/2008 09:58:30
"The family, who have not been named to protect the children"

Well nobody will be able Guess who they are talking about will they..........
51

OscarMacApfel,

Dumfries 24/03/2008 10:01:43
#53 Jings feller I'm truly sorry you're denied such rights.

I'm just off down the beach with my kids, where we'll drive on to the beach, the boys will fly kites with the kite buggy, whittle with their Swiss Army knives, try some target shooting with their .22 air rifle and maybe if I can be bothered packing it, have a go with the recurve bow.

Aye it's a safe, cotton wool existence we lead in over regulated Scotland.
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24/03/2008 10:03:57
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OscarMacApfel,

Dumfries 24/03/2008 10:06:44
#57 Ah finally it's out, you're showing your dribbling mentalist credentials.
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Neil,

Glasgow 24/03/2008 10:06:55
Statistics show people taken into "care" end up with a far higher than normal level of imprisonment, illiteracy, alcholism, homelessness & almost every measure of human failure. On the other hand kidnapping the kids gives "social workers" a chance to build their little empires.

Fire 99% of social workers.
55

Nikostratos,

24/03/2008 10:11:17
#57

Not a fascist but you are a 'fatist'
56

The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 24/03/2008 10:12:00
"This is every family's worst nightmare. We have been told they are going to take them from us unless three of them lose weight.

"I just can't stop crying at the thought I could lose my beautiful children for ever."

Well, revolutionary thought why not try giving them less food and get them to do some exercise, starting with setting a personal example? Meanwhile social workers buzz round trying to look busy and important by issuing meaningless threats. The only way these parents will lose their children is if they just carry right on doing what they're doing like automatons. Either the children will be taken into care or will suffer prematature death from an obesity-related illness. Simple - take responsibility for a change.
57

 Ayrshire Scot™,

24/03/2008 10:12:48
59. Perhaps the fact they were taken into care is a reflection on their lives prior to that, sufferring abuse, neglect, alcoholic or drug addicted parents - and this has impacted how they develop?

"Fire 99% of social workers." - but then bleat with indignation when no action is taken to stop child abuse, and rant on about failures of social work and police to detect abuse early enough....
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24/03/2008 10:12:55
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Nikostratos,

24/03/2008 10:17:40
#63

There is different quality's of fat your higher classes and ruling elite get their fat from only the best foods.

The lower classes fat is all dripply and gooey ........yuk!
60

The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 24/03/2008 10:18:18
#63

Strain on NHS and strain on Newsnight chairs!
61

Love The Pulp,

Scotland 24/03/2008 10:35:45
#45, thanks, that's the best laugh I've had in a while! Do you give advice on speeches to your president? :D

>> "i have to say DUH !!!!!!! we have more people per capita then scotland. This is a serious problem that needs to be addressed."

Just how many people per person ARE there in the USA? :D
62

fife runner,

24/03/2008 10:37:35
it seems the what we are being told is correct in that this will be the first generation not to outlive their parents if this is anything to go by. The NHS cannot cope with the obesity epidemic and we will all suffer as the NHS runs out of workers and cash to deal with the effects of the illnesses caused.

If it were genetic then surely years ago we would have had the same issues about obesity or has the population gone through a genetic mutation unless laziness and bad eating is some sort of mutation. I watch as kids are driven 100's of yards to school and that includes secondary age.
63

McMillar,

Fife 24/03/2008 10:40:56
Never mind...have some more cake before the chippy opens.
64

OscarMacApfel,

Dumfries 24/03/2008 10:43:37
#66 Goddammit Pulplover, don't you know that each American is worth ten of us Haggis eating surrender monkeys?
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Clive Hamblin,

Sussex 24/03/2008 11:10:41
Social workers, pilloried - damned if they do: damned if they dont.

That said, theyshould remember that just because they 'have the power' to confiscate these kids, doesn't mean that they have to use it.

Supporting the whole family would be a far better option than threats.
66

OscarMacApfel,

Dumfries 24/03/2008 11:17:10
#70 Clive, Social Workers don't 'have the power to confiscate these kids'. Children are only taken into care after every other avenue has been exhausted and a multi-disciplinary team involving say, social work, health and education have considered every possibility.

The myth of the omnipotent social worker taking children willly nilly, is the domain of the Daily mail reader.

Ha ha the Scotsman censorbot wouldn't allow willly nilly!
67

Imagine a boot stamping on a human face— forever.,

24/03/2008 11:33:58
The Government class has the liberty and the freedom to become medically obese.

The Government class has the liberty and the freedom to kidnap your children if they become medically obese.

The Government class has the right to good pay. Those with good pay have the right to excercise.

The Government class has the right to forceably prevent the poor's children excercising in the street.

Imagine a foot stamping down on your face forever. Now imagine another decade of New Labour or the SNP.
68

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 24/03/2008 12:03:35
Boy Wonder

I truly believe that Charles Linskaill is not on "meds". He is just naturally weird - as am I, at times.

These meddlesome and dangerous social workers demonstrate power gone mad.

I think it a case of the syndrome of "peasants in power" where disenfranchised social workers (mostly women) get in a position of power and go crazy with the influence they have.

I have sat on boards where these destructive and under-educated women sit and their problem-solving skills are woefully lacking and they sit on these boards just to further their personal and greedy agendas and benefit themselves to the utmost when they can get away with it.

Oh, by the way, there are some lunatic men who sit on boards or advisory panels but it has been my experience - and that of many of my board friends and acquaintances - that women predominate in the Department of Unskilled and Uniformed and Undereducated Advisors and Such.

They are very, VERY dangerous to the well-being and smooth running of many organisations.
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Exiled Leither,

24/03/2008 12:14:29
I am fat, mostly through my own fault and partly due to an injury which meant I couldn't walk for a while and still suffer pain ocasionally. to be honest I work in a demanding heavy industry job and I am quite lazy when I get home after a both stressfull and sometimes physically demanding day. I have big musscles but also a big a*se big belly etc etc. but hey who cares.
My Children however are slim, fit and constantly active either out playing or at clubs etc etc. they both have games consoles but are only really allowed them for a hour a day or during really bad weather two hours a day. They are fit and hopefully through my experience of being fat i can teach them to grow up and value physical fitness. they are not however hidden from mc donalds etc as I was and when I left home I went mad and done everything I had been banned from before and ended up fat. so be warned parents who stop children from these things, you are just making them special and when they earn their first wage they will choose them.

However most worrying about this article is the social work part:
Too fat,
Too thin,
not fit enough,
hair not blonde enough,
eyes not blue enough,
nose to big,

Its a slippery slope when a govenment tries to impose and then enforce a perfect human being upon us!!
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Barobalti,

Haddington 24/03/2008 12:17:27
I get so tired of these "it's my genes / thyroid / I eat like a sparrow" bleeding hearts. Medical research reveals that the majority of obesity cases can be addressed by eating less and moving about more. It’s not the thyroid that raids the fridge at midnight.

At the start of every year my local gym floor is creaking under the combined weights of these well-intentioned salad dodgers with their get thin resolutions. By about March or April they are nowhere to be seen; actually I am being unfair – perhaps their new regime made them lose weight so dramatically as to render them unrecognisable to me?

Obesity is self-loathing, laziness, and downright unhealthy. I have even had to move table in restaurants because of the repulsive sight of corpulent persons nearby spoiling my appetite. Best to avoid those “eat all you can” diners if, like me, the very sight of these beings offends you.

I don’t have much of a future in modelling myself at just under 110 KG (not far under 18st); but I am 6’3” and exercise vigorously for over six hours every week. I like my beer, my wine, curries, and so on… I’d hate to imagine how I’d turn out if I didn’t exercise at all. I at least have the motivation and self-esteem to get off my backside and, by way of exercise, actually address the threat of obesity.

By taking these poor kids away NOW they can be saved from an early death, ridicule and bullying at school, and given a fresh start at a decent quality of life.

Like druggies, smokers, and the like, fat people seem to adopt the “poor me” attitude and go on as if the world owes them a living as a result of their self-inflicted misery.

My vision of a society free of morbid obesity is up there with my visualisation of a crime-free social order.
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Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 24/03/2008 12:25:41
Stop feeling sorry for fatties. Its their choice, but they have no right inflicting it on their kids or their medical bills on the rest of us.
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Exiled Leither,

24/03/2008 12:31:15
75, behave yourself.
Fatness does you no harm. I f I am happy being fat then I will be fat, As it is I am currently trying to get fit but thats my choice. however it has nothing to do with you or the government.
And don't start saying it costs you your tax pounds in the nhs treating them. as they pay tax too, well I do.
Now what would you say if you had a car accident and you were turned away at A&E because they said, " Well it was your choice to get in the car!" or if you pulled a muscle at the gym and your nhs pysio told you to go away as it was your fault for doing it? anyway there is tax on Mcdonalds and not on lettuce so really they would be more entitled than you.
All nonsence though. Unlike smoking or drugs it doesn't affect you in the slightetst and as such we cannot allow the government to dictate to us what we can and cant do, they work for us not the other way round. And as I said in my previous note. I make sure my children are fit and healthy.
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E. Smith,

Central Texas 24/03/2008 12:32:46
Lower incomes usually equate with heavier people. The heaviest region of the United States is in the Deep South. The seriously obese usually don't live in Greenwich, Connecticut, or in Hollywood, California. With higher incomes come leaner bodies. Get Mum and Dad good jobs, and the rest will follow.


(http://calorielab.com/news/2006/08/12/fattest-states-2006/).

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Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

24/03/2008 12:35:08
73....Allo darlin..how's yer bahooky fir luv bites?...Does that eccentricity no run in the family wae you Wingates?...read a wee bit about your great uncle and I would swear he was the inspiration for Vivian Stanshall's Sir Henry Rawlinson...the film is inspired genious and if you aint seen it I highly recommend it...might just recognise a few family traits in there old boy..you can find the trailer for 'Sir Henry at Rawlinson end' on Youtube...

Could there be an additional wee something in our food now, that is exacerbating the propensity to obesity?...what with all the chemicals, preservatives, fungicides, colours, flavourings and crap that we are inundated with?

After all milk in the USA comes from cattle injected with 'Bovine Growth Hormone' does it not?...courtesy of that scourge of the planet earth Monsanto...
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Exiled Leither,

24/03/2008 12:42:22
without sounding like a poor me, I do think there is more to it as I do no people who are less active than me with worse diets but who are much slimmer?
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Barobalti,

Haddington 24/03/2008 12:50:52
#77 says, "Fatness does you no harm."

Eh? Please expand (sorry!), elucidate, and provide evidence for this blinding revelation?

#77 then puts his kebab to one side and utters, "If I am happy being fat then I will be fat..."

Happy wheezing at the top of the stairs? Happy struggling to tie your shoe-laces? Happy perspiring at the least exertion and having to be more careful about personal hygiene? Happy with the ridicule that goes with the territory? Happy with the (likely) accompanying sleep apnoea, snoring, and poor quality sleep? Happy with the chafing thighs? Happy being unable to take part in games with the kids for long? There’s more but I am off to exercise my dogs and swim 2.8K with my son (15, eats like a large horse, thin as a rake).

There’s a vast difference between “happy” and “in denial” – see you down the gym?
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Exiled Leither,

24/03/2008 13:26:39
Sorry I shall "Expand" It does YOU no harm, It does me harm, But YOU, with your god like physique, are not harmed in any way.
Like I said my children are also thin and extremely fit.
I was too in my youth. Indeed was an active sports such as Roller/Ice hockey and Boys club football However when I left home I started the bad habits. Now I am trying to reverse my bad habits. I am not happy with being fat and as such I am doing something about it, (Don't like Kebebs by the way, prefer chinese).
However as I said it is my choice, not yours, not the governments. I have noticed the kids tiring me out quicker and so "I" have chosen the exercise path.
The snoring doesnt bother me( I'm asleep) and there is no ridicule to my face any way (I'm 6'3" 21 st merchant seaman and former oil worker) and behind my back? well what you don't know can't hurt.
You are obviously a vain man who worries greatly what others think. think for yourself and be proud that you are fit and don't worry if I'm not I'll get there, that is if I am not exterminated by the death squads that will soon be hunting down all fat people if you get your way.

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OscarMacApfel,

Dumfries 24/03/2008 13:30:46
I'm surprised that KIMBA hasn't put in an appearance yet.
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The Busman,

Scotland 24/03/2008 14:09:10
#77 - yes, that is one aspect of the obesity debate that needs further attention. Originally, obesity was a function of wealth - you could afford a good diet. But things have moved round and now obesity is a function of poverty - it is, again, less of an issue for the middle classes or the rich.

Some of this is what sort of diet you can afford, but I wonder if a deeper issue is that if you lose hope, you will resort to anything which will dull that loss of hope - comfort eating, smoking, drinking ....
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Robert,

Kirriemuir 24/03/2008 14:11:17
The abuse of power! Let us look at some of the implications. Firstly, any social worker overweight should lose their jobs as it is likely to cause illhealth; if their children are overweight remove them from the care of their parents. Any child found smoking or imbibing alcohol under age commit them to care as those practices are unhealthy and what about the sex life of children; is there sufficient places to hold all this lot and that is without considering the costing of this abuse! Social workers have very wide ranging powers when it comes to the welfare of children but surely their primary task is that of prevention and if this is the situation then the social workers involved need to be disciplined for dereliction of duty? Let us say that the children are committed to LA care and thereafter fail to lose weight; what then, and who is likely to be held accountable and could the parents then sue the LA? Why are there so many dumb people holding positions of responsibility without accountability? Around the immediate post WW2 era the LAs filled the vacant spaces in children's homes by committing to care the children of itinerent families and what they were in effect endeavouring to do was to destroy the culture of those people and impose middle class standards on them so how fatuous can the so-called caring professions be? If the children are loved then surely everything else is secondary; if the parents over indulge, is that such an impossible task to bring into their life appropriate guidance? With the epidemic of obesity affecting most people surely the problem lies elsewhere so the first people to call to account would be the nutritionists followed closely by the food manufacturers, then the farmers, and finally those responsible for drafting legislation that permits the interference with the public's food such as that of water and milk to name but two items. The fault is not this family but the dietetic diktats and their propaganda. Hitler is certainly not dea
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Kenny A,

24/03/2008 14:17:50
Been reading these posts with interest. What I would like to say is some people are just fat, excercise and diet cannot help some people and I am sorry for them. They are however a minority and most fatties can shed a few hundredweight by funnily enough eating less and doing some excercise.

There is also a small group of people who cannot keep weight on regardless of how much the eat and excercise, are we to put them into fattening farms in order to attain the perfect shape.

Now I smaoke, drink and used to seriously induldge in Rugby which is not good for the health, and while I am not of the Gargantuan proportions of the Exciled Leither I have always maintained what I think is a fairly good shape.

I am lucky. Some others are not, but unless negligance can be proved these kids in the artical should not be taken from their family. There is a place for everyone, the Sumo federation is always looking for new talent.
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Shaken,

24/03/2008 14:18:55
#77, 80 Exiled Leather (fatty)

Yeah as a Smoker I absolutely detest these 'I'll eat because I want to monkeys.'

Whether you think being fat is personally disturbing is not the issue. What is - the fact these parents are abusing the children by making them as over weight as you are...no choice from the kids involved.

If this was a junkie family with the parents pushing their vice on the children there would be no question..again this is damaging the kids health, storing up social and personal problems for them as well as being a literal burden to the NHS when they need stapled in few short years. Over eating is as bad for you as any other excess.
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

24/03/2008 14:22:10
84. Oscar, I fear the day care centre may be closed for a public holiday?
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motherload,

24/03/2008 14:32:24
your heads are too fat, your comments are too fat, your land is fat, your homes are fat, your sky is fat, your cat is fat, your monies fat, your bat crap is fat, your illustrious leaders are fat, your pillows are fat, your blithering blathering blinding blown balloon social workers should be taken away for the sorry leak to the press or was it the parents did it, crying for help from the oh so sensitive public? whats a social worker to do... while the kids sit there in their nest like baby birds with their mouths open waiting for the tons of crumbs from their parents, who will nae change their ways unless they be taken away...somethin' in the air i say
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OscarMacApfel,

Dumfries 24/03/2008 14:33:44
#90 Motherlode, are you the fat cat in the hat?
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JoeMcT,

BlairsFantasyIsland 24/03/2008 14:40:01
Too fat? Aye, we'll take your kids away.

But hey, if you're on Drugs that's OK, we'll come round in the morning, get them dressed and fed and take them to school, so you can lie in bed all day and get smashed.
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motherload,

24/03/2008 14:49:00
aye, that! oscarmacapfel from the tree on his 'ead, eh... i would say on the five brothers and one sis, we never had much time to ponder the propensity of fat. our best meals were macaroni and tomatoes, potatoes cooked in bacon grease no doubt... 'piggies' wee sausages, the servings were suficient, always on a shoestring budget and very strict code of ethics from the marine values of my father who had been very badly burned in a fire out of bootcamp in the early 40's before my mother even met him. i was also raised on the ethics of fasting. good for the body and the soul. what methods i wonder do the social workers propose? as you should know, all encompassing to body, mind, and soul the methods on madness that descend on mankind
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NMlost,

Land of Muddling Through 24/03/2008 15:20:56
#69
Oscar, I would seriously love a McSween's or two. However, can't import them to the States, because our "gumment" won't allow it. What is wrong with this picture? :D
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Re: the children...they are already having massive stress placed on their growing bones, tendons and ligaments. Their hearts are working over time and their entire systems are being set up for future failures at an early age. Physical effects aside, the emotional trials of becoming a morbidly obese teenager are horrific. Besides the usual adolescent angst, add alienation, taunting, increased isolation, inability to participate in sports and your ending with a ripe candidate for self-destruction. The kids and their parents seriously need some tough intervention.
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TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 24/03/2008 15:21:04
79 Horrible Cankers

Good morning, madam.

Yes I do have my "moments" and all the males in my family are quite brilliant and known for their arcane hobbies and avocations and we are VERY polite to everyone - except fools, charlatans, Southern Baptists, the Bush family, and certain Catholic prelates.

Had a few too many "rusty nails' on Good Friday but I have recovered. My enemies are gnashing their teeth at my powers of recuperation.