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Published Date: 26 September 2006
Row over comments made by Cherie Blair in wake of speech Gordon Brown admits to "differences" with Tony Blair Blair supporters worry remarks will destroy fragile unity
Key quote "Honestly, guys, I hate to spoil your story, but I didn't say it and I don't believe it, either" Cherie Blair
Story in full IF GORDON Brown looked anxious at the podium, it was understandable.

He was delivering the speech that could decide his lifelong ambition to become prime minister, a prize so valuable that to secure it he was willing to make peace with Tony Blair and even admit some faults of his own in Labour's most important and most troubled relationship.

Yet even the Chancellor could not have expected that within minutes he would be embroiled in an extraordinary public row amid reports of an attack by Cherie Blair, the Prime Minister's wife. Four words attributed to Mrs Blair shortly after noon yesterday blew apart the carefully stage-managed launch of Mr Brown's public campaign for the Labour leadership.

Mr Brown was delivering a considered, even conciliatory speech to the Labour Party conference, effectively making a carefully crafted peace offering: the speech had praise for Mr Blair, warm name-checks for almost the entire Cabinet and even a tacit admission that Mr Brown himself bore some responsibility for a decade and more of Labour in-fighting.

The intention was to allay growing Labour doubts about the Chancellor's character, to assure the country he is not a bitter, sulking plotter but a leader of humility, warmth and honesty.

Tackling his partnership with Mr Blair head-on, Mr Brown opened up by admitting that his "differences" with the Prime Minister have "distracted" the government, something he said he regretted. But, overall, he told delegates: "It has been a privilege to work with and for the most successful ever Labour leader and Labour Prime Minister."

At that point, Mrs Blair - watching the speech on a television outside the auditorium of Manchester's G-Mex centre - was allegedly overheard by a US television producer saying: "Well, that's a lie." She then walked out of the conference complex.

Mrs Blair last night issued a flat denial of the claim to journalists. "Honestly, guys, I hate to spoil your story, but I didn't say it and I don't believe it, either." But the television producer, Carolin Lotter, and her employer, Bloomberg, last night stood by their account.

Despite Mrs Blair's denial, the Chancellor's allies treated the claim as accurate and issued angry responses against the woman whose dislike for Mr Brown is an open secret at Westminster.

"She is a bitch, a poisonous bitch," one source close to the Chancellor said. Other Brownites were quick to point out that Mrs Blair had issued a false denial via No10 in 2002 over the involvement of Peter Foster, a former criminal, in her purchase of two flats. "She's used No 10 to lie for her before," one said.

One Cabinet minister loyal to Mr Blair was exasperated by Mrs Blair's conduct, worrying that her remark will destroy Labour attempts to present a united front. "This is absolutely the last thing any of us need," the minister said. "It's just stupid, stupid and divisive."

Yet Mr Blair himself will today risk fuelling the fire, using his last conference speech as leader to offer Labour a Blairite "route map" which he says will deliver the "second successful decade of New Labour in office".

While Mr Brown has embraced Blairite reforms, the suggestion that Mr Blair is trying to determine the party's direction even after he steps down may infuriate the Chancellor's camp.

In his speech, Mr Brown signalled he would govern in his own way, a style distinct from that of Mr Blair.

Speaking of the "compassion, duty, responsibility, respect" he learned from his parents and the Church of Scotland, he concluded: "We can, will, must build the good society."

As well as the very Scottish roots of his moral view, Mr Brown returned to his "Britishness" agenda: "People say I talk about Britishness because I'm now embarrassed about being Scottish. Let me say I am proud to be Scottish, and British." But he may still face a significant challenge in persuading English voters to accept a Scottish PM.

A YouGov poll yesterday showed that most English voters still see Mr Brown "more Scottish than British." And Frank Luntz, a veteran pollster who has been conducting research on Labour leaders, said that almost half of his English sample group strongly oppose a Scot as prime minister. He said he was "surprised" at the strength of feeling.

By contrast, Mr Brown's speech lacked his traditional passion, and was met with respectful but not rapturous applause and a three-minute ovation.

Even Mr Brown's friends later admitted it had been a difficult day.

Yesterday was billed as "make or break for Mr Brown" - but in truth it did neither. And the questions about his appeal to voters remain unanswered.

"He's saying all the right things but the problem is still there: people know he's been at the heart of this government for ten years," said one insider. "Is one fairly average speech enough to make a clean break from all that? I don't think so."

The full article contains 882 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 26 September 2006 9:32 AM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Cherie Blair , Labour Party
 
1

scottwebb,

26/09/2006 00:16:28

Feel the love :)..........Independence please

2

conspiracy,

edinburgh 26/09/2006 00:29:11

they cant even agree at there own conference yet we are expected to trust them to agree to run our country, can only re-iterate the comment from scott 1, independance now please.

3

the geezer,

26/09/2006 00:36:21

Steady chaps this was the lovely chancellor who cut the old tax on bubbly in expectation that England would win the world cup with gazza type goals. great man! :-)

4

Pete,

26/09/2006 00:46:21

Tony Blair's a liar with his claims of "Weapons of Mass Destruction" in Iraq. It maybe old, tiresome news but his lies have cost thousands of innocent civilians their lives. Its only a matter of time before his war crimes earn him and his wife the title Lord and Lady Blair.

5

Androsthenes,

Edinburgh 26/09/2006 01:22:02

How dare these people call Cherie Blair "a poisonous bitch" Why did she call Brown a liar? Did he mention an ethical foreign policy?
They'll be calling her husband a hypocrite and liar next!

6

Roderick,

Co Durham 26/09/2006 01:53:49

Now, he says that his "differences " with Blair "distracted" the government, while over the last nine years he denied any such thing. So, the conclusion must be that he is a liar. Maybe the "moral compass" he inherited does not include lies; after all there are many church ministers who have told lies. He is a "phoney" and he looks it.

7

Sean G,

Stirling 26/09/2006 04:24:11

Beginning to look very good for David Cameron and the Conservatives to regain power-IMO Brown will never win a general election.

What then for Scotland-surely there is enough friction between Holyrood and Westminister at present -even with Labour controlling both?

We have heard so much about the so called West Lothian question but I think the relationship between a labour-run Holyrood and a Conservative run Westminister will turn-out to be more explosive and ultimately will be crucial in determining the future of Scotland and its relationship with the rest of the UK.

Here's hoping!

8

Pablo S,

26/09/2006 04:58:26

Mrs Blair as well-contributed to the ongoing Public Relations nightmare that is the Labour party

9

Joe Bloggs,

Spain 26/09/2006 05:56:38

Does it really matter which one of them is "PM"? Brown stated quite clearly yeterday that he intends to be the next puppet for the Bush administration contrary to the wishes of the British people.

10

Black Five,

edinburgh 26/09/2006 06:00:51

I heard Zippy Blair denying she said this.If ever i heard a lie it was from her.She hates Brown and can`t hide her feelings.This bunch are like a lot of schoolkids and the quicker they are disposed off the better.
A poll on newsnight last night gave Brown 3 votes out of 30.One of the points against him(they were all English) was they did not want a Scotsman running the country.Mind you the person who polled the most was Reid who is Scottish.
Don`t matter who they finally choose they`re out.The country is generally sick and tired of the Brown Blair arguments and it would be a brave person who would go to the bookies today and stick down money on them returning a labour government next time.What`s the odds on SNP in Scotland?

11

SouthernSkye,

Isle of Skye 26/09/2006 06:05:27

Well, NL managed to take on Tory policies and now they are acting like the Tories did at the end of their last reign.
I am sick to death of hearing all this child-like bickering and name calling.While they do this there's an NHS that needs sorting, our men and women dying overseas, a country needs running.
No-one will stand against Brown because they will not have a future if they do, so bang goes democracy within NL.
Go lock the lot of them within number 10, get the boxing gloves on and sort this damned mess out!

SNAFU !

12

Ivan the terrible,

26/09/2006 06:34:57

Oh Dear another slip up.
I am afraid Brown has nobody to blame but himself you can,t run with the hares and the hounds at the same time
In his ambition to become the next P.M. During the debates on the War, Immigration, etc he sat on the front bench trying to look as if he was not there. does he realy think people believe in him?
On the subject of Britishness,he goes on people say I talk of Britishness because I am embarressed about being Scottish!!
I would like to tell him that as a Scot I am embarressed by his grovelelling, and I would be surprised if the English did not feel the same about him
Speaking of compassion, duty, responsibility, respect, whenever did the Church of Scotland show any of these to the working people. (Remeber the days when you paid for pew?)
Church of Scotland Ministers never were or to this day interested in the working class.
Let us remember Brown for the insulting increase he gave to the pensioners, (where does that fit into compassion, duty, responsibility, respect.) at the same time of giving himself and all the others a nice pension package (thank you)
McConnell is worried that all of this squabbling will cost him the Scottish Election in May.
Let us Prove him right.
"Vote for Independence"

13

Comerscroft,

26/09/2006 06:59:20

It takes one liar to know another liar.

She's had plenty of practice, what with living with Teflon Tone all these years.

I don't believe a word any of them say.

14

JamesMc,

26/09/2006 07:01:27

Gordon Brown-Nosing middle-England fails again...couldn't have happened to a better person!

15

Ubi,

Edinburgh 26/09/2006 07:07:30

How much longer does the nation have to passively observe this confidence trick being played upon it ?

16

Jock McStrapp,

26/09/2006 07:12:23

#10 - Totally in agreement with what you say, and a nice idea for dealing with these malicious and self-centred juveniles. I'd go one step further - I'd let them have at it with knives and broken bottles - because even if the matter dividing them wasn't fully resolved, we would at least be permanently rid of a few of them.

Looking at the text of the article above, I read this sentence: "... lifelong ambition to become prime minister, a prize so valuable that to secure it he was willing to make peace with Tony Blair and even admit some faults of his own in Labour's most important and most troubled relationship ..."

So Gordon Brown would be prepared to do and say almost anything to achieve his ambition of being a British Prime Minister? Since I've never yet met an honest man (or woman) who'd be prepared to do and say anything to achieve their goals, I would be extremely wary of letting this guy anywhere near high office. His 'principles' seem to be way too flexible for my liking.

17

paulr,

26/09/2006 07:14:13

Gordon brown's moral compas?
he's a politician, couldnt lie straight in bed....

18

Armageddon,

Mull 26/09/2006 07:17:36

You know, after reading endless colum inches about teflon Tony, and his cronies, you have to admit that if Guy Fawkes was alive today, he could have saved himself a lot of trouble and just watched the lot self explode.

To quote Robert Burns....what a parcel of rouges in a nation.

19

Jimmy Krankie,

Beijing 26/09/2006 07:43:39

The fact alone the Bloomberg is a credible source makes me believe that it is indeed true.

Anyhow if he is indeed a liar then he should have no problems in following in Tony's footsteps....... teh man wouldnt know the truth if it bit him on the erse

20

Gordon,

26/09/2006 07:49:01

Politician, defence lawyer, liar.....synonyms?? - certainly no oxymoron

21

Pablo S,

Edinburgh 26/09/2006 07:50:23

Okay.
She Goesn't like Gordon Brown.
Hardly surprise of the year

22

michelle,

26/09/2006 07:52:49

#18-bloomberg is in the business of creating news and as such not to be trusted. politicians are in the business of saving their backsides and as such also not to be trusted. end of. what's more, who really cares what any of them say or think about the rest privately?

23

conservative,

Fife 26/09/2006 07:53:09

Doubtless Cherie Blair would stick her knife in if she could. It must be sad to be losing her 'wife of the British PM' title with it's globe-trotting, cash-amassing merry-go-round.

Gordon Brown could hardly be a less prepossessing PM-in-waiting. It's not very likely he will win a general election. What we can at least hope for though is that while he is there he will do no harm. He's more likely to concentrate on running the country and less on exterminating anyone Bush doesn't like.

But as for advancing the cause of the SNP - what a dire thought! A collection of numpties with no agenda apart from independence. Independence and then what?

24

Sanny,

Ex_Pat Scot 26/09/2006 08:04:49

Don't knock Mrs. Blair This is the first time she's spoken the truth in public. It must have been very difficult for her!

25

Douglas,

Bathgate 26/09/2006 08:05:16

I'm waiting for the tape of this to be unveiled. There just has to be one.

26

Ian G,

Edinburgh 26/09/2006 08:09:56

Robert of Fife.
http://www.snp.org/

At least read about SNP polices before you make a fool of yourself.

If you don't agree fair enough.
But saying its nothing else but Independence is very foolish. The point of being Independent is we don't need to interest ourselves over the sramble over who gets into No 10.
Blair Scottish: Brown Scottish; Cameron sounds Scottish to me. I don't wish for any of them.

27

maureen,

edinburgh 26/09/2006 08:12:45

they all tell porky's the quicker we get rid of Blair, Brown, Prescot & she who obviously thinks she is in government but is only Blair's "wife".

28

Alex.,

26/09/2006 08:15:32

Did she say it or is this just a young reporter getting publicity for herself? Haven't heard anyone backing up her story.

29

Big Wee Man,

Aberdeen 26/09/2006 08:16:38

New Labour was the creation of Tony Blair and the spin doctors. It was for their glory and good, and they rode that political side car for 10 years.

Some of them got bounced off during the decade, all kicking, screaming and denying the obvious, such as Byers, Mandelson, Blunkett and others. In an amazing disregard for truth and for acceptable standards of public life, some of them fell off and got on again and then fell off again, and then got on again proving that Tony's loyalty is for life and pays little attention to things like competence and honour.

All through their side-car days, one guy stretched himself out to bum the dough and try to keep the rails straight: Gordon Brown. Ambitious, but also principled, a nation of Blair-benefitting self-seekers finds him dull.

The Blair dream founded its stability on the work of this outsider, and traded on him for its viability. Now that Tony has eaten the NL apple and stayed on past his sell-by date with crazy indulgences like brutal, pointless and dishonourable wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, they haven't even got the decency to hand Brown the apple core, when he is willing to take it.

As for Cherie, she is the daughter of an actor, married to an actor, and well in with the legal establishment that disgracefully protected Teflon Tone over the dodgy dossier and the death of Dr David Kelly. She can afford to be foolish for it seems she is on the way to becoming a judge.

There, she will provide the tabloids with endless examples of crass selfishness in action,and help to further reduce respect for law and order. Like her hubby she bears a charmed life, and has a celebrity life-style that betrays and mocks socialist values.

The real tragedy of New Labour is that the whole adventure has been a lie from beginning to end. I feel sorry for Gordon Brown, but like most folks who sell their souls to Satan for some future reward, when the time comes to pay up, the Devil cheats them. He shou

30

WW,

26/09/2006 08:18:41

Be afraid, very afraid, of politicians who talk about morals.

31

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32

Resident,

26/09/2006 08:23:24

Was there anyone around Mrs Blair at the time who can lip-read? That would settle this argument once and for all! [Tongue in cheek ;)]

33

Calum10,

26/09/2006 08:23:27

New Labour was basically created by 4 people. Tony Blair, Gordon Brown, Margaret Thatcher and Rupert Murdoch.

Also, Brown has publically stated that he admires Margaret Thatcher, and has very close links with Rupert Murdoch and his executives.

A Brown Premiership would hasten Scottish independence.

34

Alistair Stewart,

DUNDEE 26/09/2006 08:26:56

http://www.dont-vote-labour.co.uk

Good ol Cherie 'medusa' Blair ... she can always be trusted to enhance her husband's standing further ...

Want more of the same then vote for Gordon Brown?

Want a decent party that has Scotland's interests at the fore ?- VOTE SNP in 2007

35

Bermuda Bie,

Edinburgh 26/09/2006 08:29:17

There is only one solution it seems: Vote Conservative!

36

Laura,

Scotland 26/09/2006 08:30:03

Cherry (sic!) Blair - great gallumphin' big feet straight in - can't even make a convincing denial: she and her husband are two of a kind. Don't forget poor David Kelly and the debacle they called the Hutton report.

What short memories they want us to have but the right thinking British public will always remember the lies and subterfuge. Roll on honest government... wherever that might be

37

AJ,

Fife 26/09/2006 08:37:56

Cherie is certainly the greatest asset the Tories have at this moment. I suspect it's because, she IS a Tory in reality.

If Tony Blair had any integrity, he would ban his wife from being anywhere near the media. Alas, we know he doesn't have any integrity and he IS a Tory in reality.

His legacy :- hundreds of thousands of people dead.

a world virtually at war.

destruction of socialist principles in the Labour Party.

UK viewed as an US satellite and worldwide hostility towards the country.


There are many more negatives and not many positives. The current events are still to pan out, but I feel history will be very unkind to Mr Blair. I believe his legacy will be carried, like a millstone, by his poor unfortunate family forever!

38

Euan,

Glasgow 26/09/2006 08:41:58

Why does nobody realise Tony Blair is Scottish as well as Gordon Brown? John Reid is also. We are told people in England do not want a Scottish PM - they have one in Tony Blair!

39

Ken 1,

Fife 26/09/2006 08:43:50

Tony Blair has made many mistakes. Personally, I don't think Iraq is one of them (MY OPINION) but marrying this woman definately has been.

How can such an intelligent person lack so much in common sense. The saying goes that behind every successful man is a woman. I presume that Tony Blair would have been a success if he'd got himself one.

This is prize front page for "The Star". Just imagine it -------

"ANOTHER MAN DISCOVERERS HE'S MARRIED TO A CABBAGE"

40

Alan Carnegie,

Edinburgh 26/09/2006 08:52:12

Ironic that after all the (well founded) criticism of Blair and his 'image more than substance' style of spin-government, the overall effect will be to elect a slightly more right wing empty head in the form of Cameron. Brown may be the brains behind the economy but since all we seem to care about in politics is a big smile and a united government then the 'dour face' loses every time...
I'm also worried about the apparent extent of xenophobia from English voters... substitute 'asian' 'black' moslem' or 'gay' for 'scottish' in these surveys and it becomes offensive. I know the deficit of democracy in England only issues is worrying, but this is something Scots are no strangers to over many years, and I've yet to hear any surveys about whether Scots would be prepared to accept an English PM - it just shouldn't be an issue (after all, we've had a Scottish pm for 10 years now...)

41

slim jim,

Edinburgh 26/09/2006 08:57:41

Why are my comments being ignored??

42

Euan,

Glasgow 26/09/2006 09:03:40

Cameron, of course, is also of Scottish decent...

43

YHOTA,

Edinburgh 26/09/2006 09:07:35

9/11 made it clear that "something had to be done."Tony Blair and George Bush planned the invasion of Iraq as the best option strategically of positioning the West to tacke the Middle East problems. As it turned out, they leaned too heavily on the pretext of WMD to "sell it" to us and to disguise the obvious main reason. Remember what Churchill said "In wartime, truth is so precious that she should always be attended by a bodyguard of lies" It is as simple as that. Tony like any good marketing man will only manage perceptions. Unfortunately he has no MD to carry the can when reality breaks in and destroys the perceptions. Better elect an MD next time not a marketing man.

44

Sean G,

Stirling 26/09/2006 09:09:32

Teflon Tony Scottish-well only if you want him to be-he is that kind of guy! TB our very own Scottish braveheart-no-I dont think so-kind of demonstrates just how dated the whole argument about nationality has become.

AJ 35 -you omitted creating the conditions for the eventual break-up of the UK by establishing devolution from his list of "achievements"-although his mentor- dear old Maggie would have to share some of the glory for that one!

45

Phil C,

26/09/2006 09:32:52

Alan 39, You make the common assumption that Brown is the brains behind the economy. This rubber-jawed buffoon simply wasted £billions of our taxes and set up a legacy of unaffordable expenses for the future....during the most benign period of global economics in living memory. He is a liar.

He should be drummed out along with Blair and all the other fawning liars and immoral profiteers that are new Labour. Give me Cameron OR Independence any time. The main problem with Independence is that Scotland votes Labour and we could drown in a failed doctrine.

46

Bram Seer,

Edinburgh 26/09/2006 09:33:17

Why was Cherie Blair leaving at this precise time?,
Did she not have the manners to have planned to at least stay for the duration of Gordon Browns speech.
Her leaving when she did, says it all really...
bold Hecate strolls forth....

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Il Penseroso,

inverurie 26/09/2006 09:50:22

Well done Bruce from Aberdeen @ 27. Your analysis of the current political mess is spot on. What makes me so angry is that so many Scots still believe we are too small, too poor and too insignificant to run our own country. Brown bleats on that we can only be successful in a UK context. Hogswash! Your post just goes to show that we have the brains and the resources to be successful on our own. I hope you will stand as a candidate in 2007.

50

Listen Ear,

26/09/2006 09:59:29

Blair a War Criminal?

"By any measure of international law, from Nuremberg to the Geneva accords, Blair is a major prima facie war criminal. The charges against him grow".

"The latest is his collusion with the Israeli state in its deliberate, criminal attacks on civilians. While Lebanese children were being buried beneath Israeli bombs, he refused to condemn their killers or even to call on them to desist. That a ceasefire was negotiated owed nothing to him, except its disgraceful delay.

Not only is it clear that Blair knew about Israel's plans but he alluded approvingly to the ultimate goal: an attack on Iran. Read his neurotic speech in Los Angeles, in which he described an "arc of extremism", stretching from Hezbollah to Iran. He gave not a hint of the arc of injustice and lawlessness of Israel's occupation of Palestine and its devastation of Lebanon. Neither did he attempt to counter the bigotry now directed at all Arabs by the west and by the racist regime in Tel Aviv. His references to "values" are code for a crusade against Islam.

Blair's extremism, like Bush's, is rooted in the righteous violence of rampant Messianic power. It is completely at odds with modern, multi cultural, secular Britain. He shames this society".

Full article at:
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article14590.htm

51

Scot2007,

Ayr 26/09/2006 10:07:21

Well - more meaningless rhetoric from Gordon Brown! Even NL don't believe it. I wonder if Balony Blair will do any better today.

52

Nurse,

26/09/2006 10:08:14

Sounds like Cherie would make a good Lady Macbeth from shakespeare unswerving to her hubby!

53

Joanna,

Cambs 26/09/2006 10:13:11

Cherie Blair was watching the speech on TV, elsewhere, when she 'allegedly made what appears to be a spiteful and derogatory remark. Either she is lying or the person who reported it is .......... I suppose it might depend on that person's politics but as it was overheard by a US TV producer - who you would imagine has no particular axe to grind well........ it comes down to one person's word against another. Whatever the true facts the Tory press will get a lot of mileage out of this as it is yet more evidence of a huge split in the Labour party.

Personally, I think Brown will succeed Blair and become PM ..... whether he will still be PM of the UK at the next General Election remains to be seen. Will there even be a UK as we know it now?

A lot of the fuss about Gordon Brown being Scottish is being stirred up by the Tory press. It is interesting that the pollsters for the Newsnight programme are not bothered about John Reid being Scottish. Maybe that is because the Tory press do not consider Reid to be a serious threat to them. Perhaps Brown has hidden depths that will only be revealed when he becomes PM, after all hes been the understudy for a long time - maybe all he needs is his turn in the leading role to prove his ability.

We'll no doubt find out soon enough :-\

54

HGG,

Edinburgh 26/09/2006 10:15:46

Barristers and QC's.

Highly paid proffessional liars.

Where's the surprise.

55

Listen Ear,

26/09/2006 10:18:29

Rather Send Blair, Brown, Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice to do a spot of Mine Clearing & Shovelling up Depleted Uranium Debris
================================

THE US State Department today offered to provide nearly $US2.5 million ($3.28 million) in additional aid to help clear mines and other abandoned weapons in Lebanon, hours after three Lebanese troops and an Israeli soldier were killed by unexploded ordnance.

The department said its Office of Weapons Removal and Abatement planned to provide an immediate $US420,000 ($551,800) to help remove unexploded mines and cluster bombs left over from the recent 34-day war between Israel and Lebanon's Hezbollah guerrillas.

Full article:
http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,20234...

56

Chris Price,

Sidcup 26/09/2006 10:25:11

Bruce (27),
A plague on both your houses, indeed! Why do you think 39% of the population (a larger proportion than voted for ANY of the major parties) simply didn't bother to vote at the last election!!

57

luro,

hamilton 26/09/2006 10:33:54

Everyone seems to have forgotten that Tony Blair is Scottish or is that a well kept secret from the English?

58

mr chips,

united kingdom of england 26/09/2006 10:39:36

The ugly wicked witch has spoken.

59

Steve McGregor,

Sheffield 26/09/2006 10:41:42

Gordon Brown knows that he can't win next general election. So the only way he can become PM is by replacing Tony. Fine, he should tell us whatever it takes to fulfill his desires. But there are many questions to be answered. West lothian question is one of the and our politicians are prepared to turn blind eye to it.
Fine, SNP will one day win Scotland and Conservatives win England. Then we will have a true democracy because decisions will not be made on the basis of loyalty to a partty but loyalty to the country.
Charles Clarke critised Brown last month, now he has been told to retract and apologise for what he has said. This tells us what our democracy is all about. If british democracy is all about telling lies for the good of a particular party then we are not better than Zimbabwe, and probably Switzerland or Norway should invade us to spread democracy.

60

Steve McGregor,

Newcastle 26/09/2006 10:50:02

Whoever says SNP is all about independence, they must be in need of sanity test. I am English and I can admit that, by visiting the websites of all major political parties in Britain, the SNP have the most broad and extensive policies and idea. For a moment I wished I was a scot so I can vote for them.

If politics is about policies to you, then visit www.snp.org
and tell me if its all about independence. These guys have vision for the future of a country.
Its my opinion anyway.

61

JHC,

Edinburgh 26/09/2006 10:55:19

Andrew Marr on Sunday made a comment about this government that should not be overlooked at the next election, Scottish or National. He asked the PM about sleaze, the fact that this was a major issue in the campaign against the conservatives. He PM refused to comment when asked if he did not think his party was sleazier.........something that I think we all know!

62

Rogerwilco,

Lanarkshire 26/09/2006 10:58:09

It's Brown and it smells.

63

MadJockMacMad,

Edinburgh 26/09/2006 11:01:49

Tony Blair is as Scottish as Brigadoon.
Being born in any country does not automatically imbue one with the culture of that nation.
How many children of former armed forces personnel would class themselves as German for example.
Legally it gives them the right to a German passport but it doesn't make them German in the real sense.
Once we are independent Tony Blaaargh would be able to ask for Scottish citizenship if he desired, however by nature and by culture he is English.
Not slagging the English jsut pointing out that he can never be considered a Scot in the current context of the Union

64

Steve McGregor,

brussels 26/09/2006 11:21:11

lol Jack McConnell will be your next PM for Britain.

65

Callum,

Edinburgh 26/09/2006 11:28:18

It is time for Scotland to vote for SNP for Scotland. English people do not want a Scottish PM brown. England will vote Tory again. Scotland must stand-up and vote for SNP and we will have a Scottish PM for Scotland.

66

MARINER,

WELLS, SOMERSET, ENGLAND 26/09/2006 11:35:28

The point is not whether a politician is Scottish or not, we in England do not want a Prime Minister representing a Scottish constituency and saying one thing in Scotland and voting for something in England we do not agree with. A prime example is Reid,oops sorry, Dr. Reid campaining against hospital closures in Scotland but agreeing to them in England, by all means have Scottish MPs in the UK parliament,but just as English MPs cannot have a say on anything that affects Scotland then logically Scottish MPs should not have a say on policies that only affect England and WALES. As for Cherie Blair' comments, remember how she lied over employing a convicted criminal to negotiate the purchase of two flats in BRISTOL,then came on television blubbing her eyes out because her poor son was leaving home, not to go to Iraq but a few miles down the M4 to university. Lets go for George Galloway for PM, at least he does not run scared from Bush.

67

Andler,

England 26/09/2006 11:38:27

I don't think for a moment that England wouldn't accept a Scotish PM. The objection is mainly about the right of any MP for a Scottish constituency, be he Scottish, English or Martian, voting on legislation which affects only England and partly Wales.

This will become much more of a problem if and when labour's majority slips and Gordon Brown has to whip out his Scottish MPs - for example if there was a tight vote on care home costs or tuition fees.
If you don't think that is serious problem for the English then maybe you should try living in Cornhill and not Coldstream for example.

As to Mrs Blair's comments. Whether she said it or not every political journalist, and most people who take the slightest interest in politics, knows that there has been a faction of Brown supporters who have caused major problems inside Labour for years. Whether he likes it or not he has been the lightning conductor for a bunch of disaffected MPs.

Unfortunately England and Scotland will not separate while there are a lots of Scottish MP's who enjoy the power of Westminster more than the prospective power of Edinburgh. Didn't one Scotsman - a Government Minister - say about independence "why settle for a slice when you can have the whole cake" or words to that effect.

68

Craig,

Edinburgh 26/09/2006 11:42:57

We all know New Labour is a lying shambles of a party. Maybe Cherie was telling the truth for once.

69

MadJockMacMad,

26/09/2006 11:46:27

Andler

I can see where you are coming from say in respect of the health service but what you have to remember that in the current situation, finances voted to that organisation have a knock on effect on how much money Scotland receives under the Barnett formula. While that remains the case Scottish MPs in Westminster will always have an interest in voting on any matter relating to England as far as finance is concerned. However they should not vote on wholly English matters. The best solution all round is to say nice knowing you we are away to do our own thing and then you can find out how much London is subsidised by the rest of the UK.

70

jeff,

Texas, USA 26/09/2006 12:02:16

I just jave one question.
Does Mr Brown have to be elected Prime Minister
by the electorate, or does he become so when Mr Blair steps down?
If the electorate doesnt vote him in, it will be a bad day for the UK and indeed many other peoples.

71

jeff,

Texas, USA 26/09/2006 12:03:27

jave shou;d read have!
its 0600 here, and I am not quite awake!

72

MadJockMacMad,

26/09/2006 12:09:00

Jeff #71
The leader of the majority party is usually, by accepted convention, the Prime Minister.
No one is specifically elected to the position. We "vote" for parties here.
It will be a bad day indeed if he becomes PM however not for the reasons you imply.
I think you are suggesting some lack of democracy but that basically means you do not understand the political system here.
We already know that here just as in the US democracy does not exist so why pretend otherwise.

73

Boggle fey the Bog,

26/09/2006 12:19:41

Was the wee wumin no referin tae the second pert o' the sentins "the most successful ever Labour leader and Labour Prime Minister" efter aw its weel kent that the wee wumin is mair o' a leftie than her maun.

74

ldopas,

Cheshire 26/09/2006 12:20:14

As a half Welsh, half Englishman - I absolutely back the calls for Scottish independence please.

Then we do not have to put up with this Scottish clown show of Brown, Blair, Reed, Darling running parliament badly and bringing our international reputation down.

We wont have to fork out the 1.20 to Scotland for every 1 pound spent in England.

We wont have to hear your miserable glee when England football dont win competitions. Competitions that Scotland cant even get into they are so dire.

Yepp...come the day. You guys stand on your massive industry (haha). I dont think whisky and fish are what underpins a strong economy, but hey I could be wrong.

And good luck with that huge begging bucket you'll need when you go to the EU to bail you out now the rules have changed.

Nah, Im all for devolution. Anything to stop hearing the pathetic and undignified moaning and pettiness we get all the time from people who blame the English for their shortcomings.

My mum always drilled into me to take ownership of your triumphs and your mistakes. This I pass on to you.

75

Eolas,

Glasgow 26/09/2006 12:29:49

#Robert 67
I can empathise with what you are saying however can I remind you of a couple of facts.
1) Scotland has had nigh on 300 years of English MP's making decisions for our country, invariabley bad ones
2) Not all matters of government were devolved to Scotland after devolution; reserved matters which affect Scots on a daily basis are still decided and voted on by English MP's
3) The fact that John reid campaigned for non closures of hospitals in Scotland but did the opposite in England has no bearing. We in Scotland have experienced over the years first hand Labour MP's and MSP's standing in front of a public meeting swearing they support the non-closure of a particular hospital and then going into vote for it's closure. The fact that JR (very apt I think for this particular man!!) was spouting up here does not matter, he was playing the riding two horses routine; he could not vote up here so could not then be seen to be the two faced so & so that he and the rest of his cronies are, his subsequent behaviour down south showed up his true colours.

76

Andler,

England 26/09/2006 12:33:50

Maddog

I would like to see an analysis that shows that London and the South East is subsidised by the rest of the UK. I've worked in the South of England as well as the North and Midlands and there was a time when manufacturing in the North and Midlands did make the major contribution.

However Maggie's determination to have done with union power was achieved by the simple expedient of chucking the baby out with the bath water.

When I worked in manufacturing we were hammered by government, unions, high interest rates, inflation - you name it. The result was manufacturing disappeared.

In North East England now I understand that c25% of the employed workforce is in the public sector. If you use the old assumption that one job with a major employer needs two support jobs then that would mean that, at the very least, 60% of the people in work here are employed directly or indirectly by Gordon Brown.

Add in the unemployed, disabled, state pensioners, students etc etc and I don't see how we subsidize London - except by taxation.

Under super Gordon's Chancellorship consumer debt has hit c£1.2 trillion. The trade defecit is hitting c£4 billion per month and the Government is borrowing at a time in the economic cycle when it should have large reserves. What's worse is nobody seems to know where all the money has gone. Some of the stories of the amounts of money blown away on crazy IT projects are mind blowing.

That could be another reason why a lot of people are not keen to have Gordon as PM.

Have you noticed there does not appear to be many MP's lining up to be the next Chancellor - a poisoned chalice if ever I saw one

77

Eolas,

Glasgow 26/09/2006 12:42:40

#David 75

Well aren't you trying to be the topical one!!

1)First up Scotland pays more revenue into the pot than she gets back
2) We will not be going cap in hand to the EU if you knew anything about the Scottish economy you would not make such a flippant comment
3)We are all for standing up for ourselves and making decisons on our own whether they work or not; it's called responsibility and democracy

Question for you to ponder when you put your sensible head back on;

If Scotland is such a drain on England then why is it that for 300 years you have been so determined to keep us? Why is it that you won't even agree to having an independence referendum?

It is not because you think the people don't want it; you have no idea what the will of the Scottish people is..... or perhaps you do and that scares the living daylights out of your treasury

And finally; why should you or do you give a toss whether Scots support the English at football or anything else for that matter? We're not English why would we? and we certainly don't give a monkies if you support us or not, and it certainly would not be something that burns in our minds months after you've been horsed out of a tournament that you were so obviously winning even before a baw was kicked

78

The west awake,

26/09/2006 13:18:24

Phillip 43-
"The main problem with Independence is that Scotland votes Labour and we could drown in a failed doctrine"
- So the obvious answer is to ensure we stay in the UK - to get UK Tory governments, - for our own good.
You obviously assume the SNP will simply disappear after Independence, - possible but unlikely, given they would be the party who had just won us our freedom, - why just pack up and go away?
Even if, after Independence, we do decide to vote for a party of McConnells, we are presumably incapable of subsequently deciding whether we like them or not at the next election? If we do decide we like them, even if they are disastrous, we shouldn't be free to nonetheless stick with them?
- I'm sorry, but I'm just not with the logic on this one Phillip.

79

Mike1,

West Midlands 26/09/2006 13:28:07

Margaret 78. So the future of the Union is purely down to self interest? Presumably 300 yrs or so ago it was a matter of hitching a ride? Gone far enough now then?

80

Diane,

England 26/09/2006 13:34:09

Where are you Fraser, we are on to football support and independance again. Quick get in before someone mentions Bannockburn and the clearances!

81

MadJockMacMad,

26/09/2006 13:41:06

Andler #77

Go read a few facts here

http://www.alba.org.uk/scotching/index.html

Certainly makes some interesting reading.

And Scotland has for sure been subsidising the South East for a long time, we contribute more to the Treasury than we receive back.
No government, Labour or Tory has ever wanted to identify public expenditure down to regional level in England. Ask yourself why?
You might be surprised.

82

zigzag,

Tecumseh, Ontario Canada 26/09/2006 14:24:40

I hope Cherie, Cherie Baby calls Bush a liar as well.

Brownie, you are doing heck of a job

Finally how can anyone call a lawyer like Cherie a liar as well, come on gang. LOL

83

AJ,

Fife 26/09/2006 14:44:24

300 years ago, a woman like Mrs Blair would've been dragged out of her house, beaten, stoned and paraded in front of the town elders, who would've tried her for being a witch.

She would have had all body hair removed in the search for the sign of the Devil. The Tony tattoo on her bum would've sealed her fate - burned alive at the stake and her remnants would've been dumped in the local dump.

Unfortunately these days are in the past, but I think she will be hung out to dry by the British press!!

84

Sanny,

Ex_Pat Scot 26/09/2006 15:18:06

75. David, Cheshire
Careful David your ignorance is showing. Most people are now aware of the lie behind the subsidy junkie slander. In point of fact only 85% of the Scottish contribution to the Exchequer is returned to Scotland. Manipulating figures and selective statistics cannot change that simple truth.

If, as I dearly wish, Scotland does achieve its rightful independence then you may become all to painfully aware that the majority of England subsidises the SE England and massively subsidises London.

I’m delighted that you support the Scottish desire to stand or fall by their own efforts. And I hope you continue to take your mothers sound advice.
Perhaps when the fuss of independence dies down you will realise that despite the friendly banter over sport the Scots do not hate, or even dislike, our neighbors over the border. As our native poet said “ That man to man the world o’er shall brothers be for a that”

77. Andler, England
See above. Then read the analysis by Weddgie Benn as a starter on your research to disprove. Or just wait until Independence is taken (for it will not be given) then watch the SE Economy burn.

80. Michael, West Midlands
Before making further comment forget the pub chat and do some real research on the act of union of Crowns and Parliaments. Their reasons and the way they were engineered.

85

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86

John1,

Stirling 26/09/2006 16:16:57

Usual wittering about independence and who subsidises who.
Bruce (27)
“…she bears a charmed life, and has a celebrity life-style that betrays and mocks socialist values.”
AJ (35)
“…destruction of socialist principles in the Labour Party.”
Has anyone noticed what the Kinnock family have been up to for some time? And any other socialists? Look at any socialist country and see where the wealth is – with the ruling factions. They demonstrate the real socialist values which are all too prevalent.

With six levels of government in Scotland we have the government we picked. Feel well-governed? Think it would be better in an independent Scotland? Human nature and the kind of people we get at the top of political parties guarantee the situation we have now. Cherie Blair’s comments just reflect the facts.
So what should we do? Try taking a good look at whoever (any party or none) is standing for election in your constituency, ward or whatever and pick the one who has the best outlook and hold on reality. i.e. Vote for the candidate rather than the party. We might end up with a higher level of integrity in Westminster, Follyrood, Brussels even, though I doubt that last one in particular.

87

DANIEL VALLAIRE,

WEST HOLLYWOOD,CALIFORNIA 90069 26/09/2006 16:22:05

IF MRS.BLAIR DID NOT SAY THAT`S A LIE.THAN THE MEDIA AND LABOR ARE TELLING US EVERYONE IS LIEING.THIS WAY OF LIVING IS BECOMEING VERY,VERY SICKING TO THE SOUL.

88

DANIEL VALLAIRE,

WEST HOLLYWOOD,CALIFORNIA 90069 26/09/2006 16:42:58

I THINK FOR BEING SUCH A SMALL LITTLE GROUP OF GERMAN PEOPLE WHO HAVE LEACHT OFF EVERY CIVILAZATION SINCE THEIR ARRIVAL AFTER THE CRUSADES THESE GERMAN BARBARIANS WITH A HEFTY AMOUNT OF CASH AND A BIG FLEET HAVE TAKING AN UNBELIEVABLE TOLL ON THE SCOOTISH AND IRISH PEOPLE OH WHERE DID THESE PEOPLE COME FROM.YOU WERE COMEPLETLY OUT DONE.BUT EVEN THOUGH WHAT A BRAVE FIGHT BUT NEVER STOP .YOUR TRUELY BEAUTIFULY HUMAN IN YOUR FIGHT FOR INDEPENDENCE AN JUSTICE FOR ALL I THINK ON YOUR ISLAND YOU KNOW A LOT ABOUT FREEDOM BOTH WAYS. I KNOW IN MY COUNTRY AMERICA I DON`T GET ALL THE NEWS THATS WAY I LISTEN HERE . THE WAY YOU TALK. SOUNDS FREE. ENGLAND NEEDS TO TAKE CONTROL OF THIS SMALL GROUP AND MOVE INTO THE FUTURE

89

Lord Randal,

USA 26/09/2006 16:57:21

I don't know what planet you're from # 89, but please don't represent yourself as from the US. It's apparent that English (American) is not your first language and history was not your best subject in school.

90

Jack1,

26/09/2006 17:07:21

Funny how this unsubstantiated rumour receives so much more attention than the death of Bin Laden. Do the British media really think that hounding Tony Blair out of office is more important than discrediting al Qaeda?

91

Joanna,

Cambs 26/09/2006 17:44:34

Who are these 'German Barbarians' that Daniel Vallaire @ 89 is shouting about (switch off the caps lock - its annoying) and which century is he living in?

92

Ailsa Craig,

Edinburgh 26/09/2006 17:47:11

Of course Tony Blair and David Cameron are Scottish (at least partly), whether they care to admit it or not. Scotland is a distinguished small country with a long, colourful history. The best possible start in life, I'd say!

Sadly, the chancer Tony Blair merely used his privileged Scottish upbringing and education as a stepping-stone on his slimy way up the political greasy-pole. No surprise there. Tony uses everybody and everything he can for his self-advancement!

While Tony Blair is a shameless opportunist, Cherie Booth is just a ridiculous parvenue. The couple are well matched!

Tony Blair and Cherie Booth should watch the TV programme "Who Do You Think You Are?" As it shows, your background and your genealogy are the making of you!

Of course, it takes humility and compassion to look into your ancestry and to embrace all the ingredients that make you who you are. Perhaps Blair and Booth aren't quite ready for that.

The American lecture-circuit beckons!

93

Helena,

NYC 26/09/2006 17:56:57

Hey you guys, you could be over hear with the nightmare we have going on...

94

Eve,

Scotland 26/09/2006 18:01:02

When I heard this being anoced on the radio news today I thought Cherie Blair had called Toney a liar!!

was woundering why she choce to have such a public fight with her husbund but now I see it written down I see it's Brown she apparently called a liar.

It would have been so much more amussing if she had been refering to Tony.

95

Lord Randal,

USA 26/09/2006 18:07:14

# 93 Sally. PLEASE don't suggest sending both Blair's over here. (1) The last time Cherie was here, she indeed did lecture us just prior to our elections. We don't need her lecturing any further, thank you. (2) We already have enough clueless, brainless, idiot couples with an ego and microphone. We have Bubba and Hitlery Clintoon, among others...so please, spare us dumping your's on us. Maybe a trade?

96

martin , surrey,

Godalming, Surrey 26/09/2006 18:28:56

great comments by ; John 87, Andy 79, Margrt 76, and Robert 67.
However answer is vote for the Scottish Unionist Party !

97

AJ,

Fife 26/09/2006 18:39:23

The Anstruther folk would have delt with the wicked Cherie by placing a heavy door over her already battered body.

The womanfolk and children of the village would be invited to place rocks on the door until she was crushed to death.

Her body would've been burnt at the stake and the remnants thrown on a midden.

Unfortunately this treatment was all the rage 300 years ago, and as a consequence Mrs Blair has, indeed, escaped a horrible death.

Anyone got a Tardis?

98

Ailsa Craig,

Edinburgh 26/09/2006 18:49:30

# 96. Randal. Don't worry - in Scotland, we wish our American cousins well. However, the USA is a very large country in which the Blairs can rise without trace. How appropriate for them!

It was ironic to read in "The Scotsman" recently that, in the USA, Harry Potter is better known than Tony Blair. Quite right too! A fictional personality is more worthwhile to society than a fabricated personality, every time.

However, we should take pity on the Blairs. They have saddled themselves with a massive mortgage - some £3 million, as I recall - and they'll have to do something to repay it. Charging exorbitant speaker-fees to gullible audiences (wherever they can find them) is perhaps the answer.

How did they justify that massive mortgage, by the way? I think the Financial Services Authority should be told!

99

jim,

greece 26/09/2006 18:54:37

#89 wow what was that - its all Greek to me.

Anyway we here in Greece don't think much of Bushy Blair and Cherie .You'd do good to have a real Scottish PM - geat for international relations -everyone loves the Scots but not the English.

100

Tom of Ocean city,

former U.K. colony of Maryland 26/09/2006 20:12:17

Considering the Scottish temperments of these individuals, maybe it's the English whom should be clammering for independence? LOL

FREE ENGLAND!!

101

Il Penseroso,

inverurie 26/09/2006 20:53:41

I can't quite understand why Cherie was so upset about the lie from Gordon Brown. She sleeps with a liar every night!

102

Lord Randal,

USA 26/09/2006 21:06:12

#99 Sally Forth. I'm scared to know if the polling for Potter recognition v. Blair in the US is accurately represented. Let's just say, I wouldn't be surprised. Sad, regardless. But I'll see your Harry Potter insight and raise you with intellects like George Michael pontificating about American politics. Anyone who is arrested in a public bathroom brandishing his British personality is of course someone who should be recognized to politicly admonish each of us. :)
Am looking forward to visiting Scotland and finding family 285 years separated.

103

Ailsa Craig,

Edinburgh 26/09/2006 21:57:58

#104 Randal. George Michael is actually Greek. Well, he used to be. Like all of us, George Michael is entitled to have his say. Maybe he is a better singer than a political commentator, though.

But we digress. The topic here is Blair, Booth, Brown, et al, and the truthfulness (?) of politicians.

The charlatan Blair is now on his "farewell tour". Let's hope that, unlike some ageing rock-stars, he really will retire soon. As we know, his youthful ambition was to be another Mick Jagger. (Or was that just an Ugly Rumour?)

Gordon Brown may soon have to get garlic, crucifixes and silver bullets to put Blair out of our misery. Keep plugging away, Gordon!

Randal, I hope you will have a wonderful holiday in Scotland. Your family will be relieved to see you, after such a long separation. Welcome back!

104

Douglas,

bathgate 26/09/2006 22:42:23

Re88/89: Be afraid....be very afraid. Mr President, it's time for your medication.

105

Jason,

Japan 27/09/2006 00:25:28

Move over Walter Wolfgang, make way for Cherie Blair. Another Labour Party Conference derailed. Still, at least she wasn't arrested under the "Prevention of Terrorism Act".
Was hardly such a big deal. Gordon was laying it on a bit thick about how he and Tony were the best friends and bosom buddies from way back (stopping short of a "Brokeback Mountain" scenario, naturally). Well, a wife would recognise the self-serving hypocrisy of that, so I suppose she just couldn't restrain herself.

106

Rainbird,

Illinois, USA 27/09/2006 00:31:53

I agree with Randal #96. We'll take Cherie and Tony off your hands, if you would be willing to take Bubba the Chimp and his wife Laura. Personally, I think you'd be trading a stone for a boulder around your neck, but if you're willing we can work up some details.

Oh, how about taking Donald Rumsfield and Condi Rice for the two if the first deal falls through?

107

Jason,

Japan 27/09/2006 00:42:58

#98. Hey guy, don't remind us of the excesses of Catholicism (presumably you were describing mediaeval Catholic criminal justice, albeit early 18th Century). Besides making the Third Reich look like a college hazing party that got a little out of hand, if Catholicism hadn't ruthlessly suppressed scientific and technological development, specifically in the field of astro-physics, we be out there colonising the planets by now. Instead, we are cooped up on this totally insignificant little blue-green planet, with warring nation states scrapping over a diminishing energy supply. As a species there is serious doubt we are going to make it. If Catholicism hadn't thrown a spanner in the works we'd be home free by now.

108

MD,

Middle America 27/09/2006 03:32:21

Read some of your comments on Brown and if I didn't know better, I'd think these were the same blogs featured on our own sites re Bush... Hoping this Nov. elections will castrate Dubya et al...and hoping that will help you guys as well. Cheers!

109

AJ,

Fife 27/09/2006 08:18:15

Mister 109,

I was actually descibing protestant justice in Scotland 1690-1720 approx.

So work that one out smarty pants!

110

Firozali A.Mulla MBA PhD,

Dar-Es-Salaam Tanzania 27/09/2006 11:23:31

I saw the TV and heard Mr. Blair. I do not think he gave anything new. He harped about the past and talked about how to move into the future without exactly telling the route.

All talk of IT, prisons, health, education, terrorism, but that is the norm. What was new was Mr. Blair was more confident on his speech now rather then the previous ones. The Iraq question. He mention very sickly that they are dying and that is to be expected. Who said we wanted the British to die in the soil of the unknown and who was willing to go there?

This question has not yet been answered and the same is applicable to the Afghanistan war. The poor countries talk is the Great 8 talk repeated but the inner interface of the IMF and the World bank will not allow the fund to be given to the sub Sahara countries in Africa(except south Africa) because of the big graft we have.

Other wise the speech was repetition of all the speeches and nothing new was given to emphatically state that Mr. Blaire should be re appointed again. There were no grounds I saw.

And I see the reason. He wrote the speech himself. This was purposely done to avoid the big issue by another writer about the farced war of Iraq and WMD and Afghanistan tightened with the poverty promise failures to the African continent. IMF and The World Bank are the puppets of USA. This would have been mentioned by another writer.

111

glassbenmhor,

Alaska 27/09/2006 11:30:47

Wel,Well,Well,you know,its quite incredible to read all the comments,but I would say to you all,this land and nation need not worry if it will find itself all alone in the world upon the deliverance of Independance.
The blue and white cross of St. Andrews' flys proudly across the face of the world,and is met allways with a smile,because our identity is the strongest in the world ,pipes kilts,Burns,Wallace,etc,etc.
So time now for everybody,to wright upon that "parcel of rouges"-return to sender,and gain once again,blood in our wise old vains,and then and only then can we decide whether to be Tory or Labour or liberal
We have the cunning the guile the expertise the history the energy the kindness and compassion,but beyond all this we have the Friends,all over the world to help us on our new path.

112

Antony,

ITALY 27/09/2006 12:40:14

Right on, Rob 50!
There is no hope of solving the problems of the Near and Middle East until the World as a whole recognises that there is no place for an ethnic cleansing, theocratic state set up on other peoples's land. A secular, ethnically tolerant Israel might be, probably would be accepted, but an Israel which defies international law by driving out refugees and then massacring them in their camps and prevents the return of refugees to their place of birth, while allowing any old bod who claims to be a 'Jew', is not and never will be. Without a solution to this problem there can be no solution to the 'War on Terrorism'. Compared to this, Iraq is a side issue and a distraction.

113

Prinzowhales,

North Carolina 27/09/2006 17:29:40

Sensible folk wouldn't care what Cherie or Brownie had to say about anything because they wouldn't consider voting or supporting a party with animals such as a Blair or a Brown at the helm.

Voters in the UK and America should not support the parties and people who support the wanton aggression against Afghanistan, Iraq, Lebanon and that proposed against the people of Iran.

It is NOT essential for the UK to follow Bush down another rat hole in the pursuit of a New World Order.
And whether our cousins and friends, the people of Britain, Wales and Scotland remain a United Kingdom or not, their future should not be tied to the mad kite that is Bush-Amerika. Hopefully, sanity will return here in the States but I'm not counting on it--YOU SHOULDN'T EITHER. If were of Scotland, I would vote the Nationalist ticket as sanity is anything but assured at 10 Downing and with a Scot like Brown in power you have nothing but the ratholes of endless wars and the position of afouled feather on the tail end of the mad kite of vicious, venal empire.

114

Rainbird,

Illinois, USA 29/09/2006 00:57:41

No Chance of trading off Bubba the Chimp and his Wife for Mr. and Mrs Blair then? Oh well, there are two villages somewhere in Texas who are missing their idiots anyway...


 

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