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Caltongate hotel plan 'a must'



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Published Date: 04 February 2008
TOURISM and business leaders have united in support of a luxury hotel planned for the controversial Caltongate scheme.
They say the hotel is "a must" for Edinburgh, after a report showed the Capital has fallen behind its European rivals in terms of the number rooms on offer to visitors.

Bosses at VisitScotland, the city's Chamber of Commerce and the Edinburgh Conv
ention Bureau have all backed the multi-million hotel after developers released images of what it will look like.

A report published by property consultants Jones Lang LaSalle shows the Capital is trailing other major European destinations in hotel provision – offering just a third of the number of rooms available in Prague and ten times fewer hotels than Paris.

Graham Birse, deputy chief executive of Edinburgh's Chamber of Commerce, said the plans for the Caltongate scheme were "visionary and ambitious".

He said: "The designs are contemporary, bold and complementary to a city which has always been constructed in the styles of its times.

"Edinburgh is crying out for more high-quality hotel space to boost our conference and tourism sector. It's therefore imperative this development is approved."

Ben Carter, area director of VisitScotland, said the organisation would "support the development of a flagship hotel" in the Old Town.

He said: "We are keen to ensure Edinburgh can contribute to the national ambition of increasing annual revenue from tourism by 50 per cent in ten years.

"Current hotel occupancy is very strong in Edinburgh and if we are to capitalise on efforts to grow revenue from tourism we will require additional hotel beds and conference facilities."

The report, gathered from research by property specialists, estimated that Edinburgh needs another 1500 hotel beds to have a similar supply per visitor to cities such as London, Amsterdam, Barcelona and Berlin.

Niall Macdonald, director of Jones Lang LaSalle, said: "This hotel development will act as the catalyst for bringing greater life and vitality to this area of the city.

"From what we are seeing in our day-to-day activity in the Edinburgh market, there is still significant demand from hotel operators for accommodation within the city centre.

"If Edinburgh is to remain competitive in the European tourism market, we need sufficient additional hotel capacity to cope with demand."

The Caltongate proposals involve a cultural quarter, a five-star hotel and conference centre, office blocks, 200 homes, bars, restaurants and cafes, as well as a new street linking Princes Street to Holyrood.

Ralph Radtke, of Sofitel, the company that would run the new hotel, said: "We believe that the Caltongate development will help Edinburgh remain in the premier league of tourist destinations and we urge the City of Edinburgh Council to give their backing to the project."

However, objectors to the controversial scheme said that, although they agreed the city needed more hotels, they still felt that the Caltongate plans were "inappropriate" because of its location in the Old Town.

Bill Cowan, spokesman for the Old Town Association, said: "We appreciate that Edinburgh is short of hotel rooms and we are not against the idea of a new hotel being developed on this site.

"However, what we have concerns about is the style and the detail of what is being proposed here."



The full article contains 543 words and appears in Edinburgh Evening News newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 04 February 2008 10:31 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Caltongate development
 
1

JayDeeTee,

04/02/2008 11:00:51
"They say the hotel is "a must" for Edinburgh, after a report showed the Capital has fallen behind its European rivals in terms of the number rooms on offer to visitors."

Let's build dozens more hotels then shall we? Knock the castle down to make room.
2

mad moo,

edinburgh 04/02/2008 11:28:58
Prague has a resident population of 1.9million and Paris has a resident population of 2.2million

If we aim to accommodate the same level of tourists in our city where do the residents go?
3

mrmoneypenny,

04/02/2008 12:23:08
www.eh9.org.uk
4

JFW,

New Town 04/02/2008 12:27:44
Money talks - just tried to do my part to increase tourist beds in Edinburgh but the council have refused to allow me to run my upmarket 3 bed B&B as a 6 bed B&B, which wouldn't have had any negative impact on any aspect of city life, and without any complaints from neighbours. But hey, if you've got a ton of cash and you want to bulldoze sections of the Old Town to put up a bland hotel/conference complex against the wishes of 000's of people then feel free. Words fail me when it comes to describing the inconsistencies of Edinburgh planning.

5

Randan,

04/02/2008 12:28:02
Propaganda of the day for Caltongate.
Expect the same tomorrow.
6

Mallory,

Edinburgh 04/02/2008 12:35:34
Edinburgh doesn't need another five star luxury hotel - it needs cheap accomodation for residents and budget hotels for short term visitors. Mountgrange have obviously got a funding problem if they are so desperate to get their hands on this site to sell on. Figures this week from British Land are likely to show the slump in commercial property values.
7

Iain fae Elgin,

London 04/02/2008 12:54:25
Clever. Knock down part of the reason why people go there in the first place.
8

Farky,

Edinburgh 04/02/2008 13:21:10
So these tourism and business leaders are quite happy to see Edinburgh's architectural heritage destroyed just so a hotel can be built?

Caltongate will have a "cultural quarter"? Who are these people trying to fool? This whole development will be subjected to the same type of "redevlopment plans" in forty years time, just like St James' Centre is now. We'll ask how we ever allowed such an ugly carbuncle of a building project to even be considered in the first place!

Graham Birse says Caltongate is "visionary and ambitious". We can assume from that statement that Mr Birse lives in Cramond or Merchiston and NOWHERE NEAR the area about to be bulldozed.

Why anyoen would want to pull down existing listed building which are within a world heritage site is truly beyond me. Oh, I forgot... MONEY!
9

Colin G,

Edinburgh 04/02/2008 13:26:18
What is the taxi access to this site expected to be?

Say from the West side of town e.g. the Airport. Shandwick place closed, Princes Street closed, Cowgate closed at night, Castle Terrace closed, Royal Mile closed. Or are we expecting the people who want to stay in a luxury hotel to lug their luggage from the tram stop at Picardy Place?
10

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04/02/2008 13:47:40
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The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

04/02/2008 14:07:19
Theres no-one called Mr. Asswipe in this story.
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04/02/2008 14:31:07
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04/02/2008 14:35:23
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04/02/2008 14:46:18
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Buttress,

04/02/2008 14:57:41
www.eh8.org.uk

Latest news update:

http://independentrepublicofthecanongate.blogspot.com/


UNESCO is currenty debating what to do about Dresden, and it could be removed from the World Heritage List.

http://whc.unesco.org/en/news/412

So - damage the Edinburgh WHS by demolition of listed buildings and building a hotel and ghastly development thus ensuring that tourists won't want to flock... doh!



16

Hebb,

04/02/2008 15:03:31
Colin G,Edinburgh 04/02/2008 13:26:18 wrote:
"What is the taxi access to this site expected to be?"

I'm sure the councillors behind this act of architectural vandalism have had dedicated taxi ranks and access roads built into the plans. After all, how are they supposed to move swiftly from the Council Chambers to all those vitally important new bars and restaurants?
17

Buttress,

04/02/2008 15:08:53
and Russia:

http://whc.unesco.org/en/news/411


18

snotter,

04/02/2008 15:32:16
ADRIAN MATHER and ALAN RODEN

You have jobs waiting for you at Mountgrange
Just look how well Donald Anderson has fared.

Incidentally, the Old Town Association doesn't just have 'concerns' about this.

they have clearly stated in the past:

Edinburgh Old Town Association, said:
"Something this ugly has no place in a World Heritage Site."

http://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/edinburgh/Thumbsdown-for-architects-planned-new.3286110.jp

19

Buttress,

04/02/2008 15:36:37
Both ICOMOS and EWHT are to appear at the planning meeting to argue against the plans, as are other community and heritage groups. I suggest if these are passed that the World Heritage Site status is seriously at risk.

However. Historic Scotland seems happy enough...

Heads should roll.

I suggest anyone who is a Chamber of Commerce member starts asking questions of that organisation as to its support of the plans.
20

GracieB,

North York 04/02/2008 15:43:23
There is nothing wrong with having a vision for a new hotel in the City but let's keep it in the architectural style of where it is to be built. I love walking down the Royal Mile when I'm home on holiday and there are just too many "modern futuristic" building being built that are nothing sort of hideous. St. James Centre was such an eyesore stuck on at the end of Princes Street I don't know how it has lasted this long. Hated the sight of it. It is definitely all about the money these days, sad but true.
21

tomias,

Edinburgh 04/02/2008 16:10:31
In the Chambers are lots and lots of pretend Archie Rice's; Normal ?
NO,
22

Buttress,

04/02/2008 16:30:39
Don't you love the unbiased reporting from this paper though.
23

Moscow Central 42,

04/02/2008 16:45:16

No 22. I do wish you would buttress off. You are a complete bore on the subject of the Caltongate. What on earth are you going to do with your life once the development has finally been approved?
24

Buttress,

04/02/2008 16:56:47
Ah - the usual, very poor trolling I see.

Well, I could become a forum regular like you and a few others, spending my time making the same inane and tedious comments repeatedly no matter what the topic, but I see you have cornered the market.

But such a limited repertoire.

Now - who will be the first to use something that the moderator will remove... you or one of your little pals...

However, there's a long way to go yet before it is approved.


25

grantcat,

Old Town 04/02/2008 17:14:40
Paris has just over 4 times the population of Edinburgh and just over 4 times the amount of hotel space......hmmmmmm does the above article not make sense to anyone else?

Any there has been no disagreement about a hotel on the ground Mountgrange own - the disagreement is whether listed buildings and people's homes need to be demolished to build a hotel. Sofitel have insisted the front of the hotel MUST be on the Royal Mile NOT on New Street or the "public square or on Calton Street. Mountgrange have said it is a "all or nothing development". So there is a lot of disengenious propoganda here which the Evening News is happy to report.
read www.independentrepublicofthecanongate.blogspot.com
26

Old Town Resident,

edinburgh 04/02/2008 17:16:57
Come to city chambers 9am Moscow Central 42 and fight your case for this vandalism ooops you already are employed to do so.
www.eh8.org.uk
27

Moscow Central 42,

04/02/2008 17:32:33

24

" Inane and tedious comments." "Limited repertoire. " Clearly you are describing yourself. Ah! To see ourselves.
28

keithface,

edinburgh, 04/02/2008 17:38:55
well, give it a couple of years and edinburgh's population will BE 2 million. maybe they should build a new hotel on the 'eyesore gap' that is St. Anthony's Chapel, & while they're at it, redevelop [into a hotel of course] the ruined Holyrood Abbey?

options people options...
29

Callum MacPherson,

Edinburgh 04/02/2008 17:59:42

No one disputes the fact that Edinburgh must grow and modernise, keep up with the times and encourage business development. Yes, there must be more hotel provision.

HOWEVER, there is no point in going ahead with development at the expense of all that makes this city so great. It defeats the entire purpose.

Therefore in considering the Caltongate proposal the only conclusion is, THIS IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH.
30

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

04/02/2008 18:02:17
bored with the caltongate thing.
31

Beachcomber,

Edinburgh 04/02/2008 22:00:10
I heretell COEC have a vested interest in the Cannongate, is this legal?


"TOURISM and business leaders have united in support of a luxury hotel planned for the controversial Caltongate scheme."

(since when did Tourism and business leaders dictate what should/should not be built anywhere, far less the
Cannongate)? Visit Scotland is a waste of space, Scotland sell's itself.)

"They say the hotel is "a must" for Edinburgh, after a report showed the Capital has fallen behind its European rivals in terms of the number rooms on offer to visitors".

(Of course we must keep up with our European rivals - what utter rubbish)

"Bosses at VisitScotland, the city's Chamber of Commerce and the Edinburgh Convention Bureau have all backed the multi-million hotel after developers released images of what it will look like."

(Well that speaks volumes, they are either blind/stupid or both, more like the thought of how much £££££££££££££ they will rake in has affected their grey matter.)

When the question is asked how Edinburgh died, tell them that our Leaders lied
32

Buttress,

04/02/2008 22:05:53
I believe that the interest is such that it must be called in.

33

awfyvexed,

ROYAL MILE 04/02/2008 22:56:35
These plans will be called in because the council has a financial interest in this project.
A Public Enquiry should be held and if UNESCO removes our World Heritage status then our fate will be decided by Whitehall not Holyrood.
Mountgrange are a London based firm with powerful connections......draw your own conclusion.
We must ensure that things don't go that far.
















34

daisyb212,

edinburgh 05/02/2008 21:23:25
i am involved in planning and it seems most of you have absolutely no concept of all the various factors considered when a planning application or a development proposal are being prepared. It is no where close to as black and white as many of you seem to think, and currently in Edinburgh and the Lothians 4000 new dwellings are being completed each year. And these are affordable private houses as well as excellent quality social rented. For us to have jobs and a competative economy we need good quality 5* hotels. fact. Also a fact is that the cultral and historical heritage of Edinburgh will be preserved.
35

Buttress,

06/02/2008 08:45:41
What absolute twaddle - and if you work in planning and think this will preserve the 'cutural and historical heritage' of Edinburgh then it goes partly towards explaining how these ghastly schemes ever get passed. Quite how demolition of listed buildings will preserve our heritage is beyond my understanding.

Also - I kanow a great deal about planning issues and these plans go against all manner of national policies.


Scotsman today:

http://news.scotsman.com/latestnews/Protesters--claim-royal-support.3747079.jp#2450201

See comments.

36

20something,

Edinburgh 18/02/2008 16:38:30
#23 why is the dummy out? Can you offer a half decent input to a discussion or can you only slate other peoples opinions?

It would be a boring place if everyone agreed with you.

 

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