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Published Date:
09 August 2007
Introduction of CJD test could spark a drop in blood donors Potential donors may fear discovering they have the disease and opt out Reduction in already low blood supplies may have dire consequences
THE number of blood donors in Scotland is expected to plummet when a test for the human form of mad cow disease is introduced, experts predict.
Donor numbers are already at a record low, with shortages in some key blood groups.

Yesterday, a report predicted that a test for vCJD could be introduced for blood donations as early as 2009 to reduce the danger of the infection spreading.

But experts estimate that donor numbers could drop by 10 per cent as a result - and 20 per cent in the worst-case scenario - as people fear finding out they may develop a disease for which there is no cure.

The Scottish National Blood Transfusion Service yesterday set out its plans to increase donor numbers. But it admitted that without a rise in donors, the impact of the vCJD test on blood supplies could be significant, potentially affecting surgery in hospitals and delaying operations.

In June, the service said it had only had three days' supply of blood in some groups. Of eight main blood groups, only two were above the six-day recommended minimum stock level.

During the past two years, only 750 donations a day have been collected - the service needs 1,000.

Concerns about donor shortages were raised at the annual review of National Services Scotland - the blood service's parent body - where officials were questioned by the health secretary, Nicola Sturgeon.

Its report said that in 2006-7 it had almost 179,000 blood donors - a shortfall of 12,000.

The service said it needed 217,000 by 2009 - an increase of 21 per cent - which it admitted was a "major challenge".

Professor Ian Franklin, national medical and scientific director of the service, said an increase in the number of donors was essential to cope with an expected 10 per cent drop in people coming forward after the introduction of vCJD testing.

There is currently no reliable test for the deadly brain disease, which was passed to humans in the 1980s in infected beef.

But scientists are developing new methods and a test to identify those who may go on to develop vCJD could be ready by 2009.

It is feared donors will be put off giving blood by the test, which could tell them they are at risk of a disease which they can do nothing to prevent or treat, and which may never develop.

Prof Franklin said: "While nobody can be sure what impact a test might have, we have to plan for the fact that some donors will be lost to the service."

He said few people were likely to test positive for vCJD.

Prevalence of the infection is unknown. It has a long incubation period, which may vary according to an individual's genetic make-up.

Prof Franklin said there were fears donors could fall by as much as 20 per cent and that would be a major concern.

He said the service was looking at ways to reach more donors, including smaller donation sessions in remote communities, and improving blood use.

Frances Hall, of the Human BSE Foundation, said while testing for vCJD was vital, it posed a dilemma for potential donors. "There will be a fall in donations. I would certainly not want to know if I was going to develop vCJD, but at the same time, if it was a member of my family who was having an operation, I would want that blood to be safe."

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  • Last Updated: 08 August 2007 11:39 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: BSE and CJD
 
1

GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta, CA Ancesrors Cave men eat shrooms 09/08/2007 01:16:18

Hey Dudes,

With 6 billion people on the planet there is approximately 48 billion pints of blood in teier bodies.

We can give 2 pints of blood at a single donation.

So cookies listen up. We have 12 billion pints of blood locked up in or dying bodies. Or 1.5 billion gallons, and we can donate that amount every 4 weeks,'

So what is the problem dudes,

Don't worry about my shrooms , your blinkered minds have a far greater problem to deal with

When di any of you SNP dreamers donate a pint or two of your blood in the past month.

I did (1pint) and my friends who are fitter than me each gave 2 pints.

GC

2

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 09/08/2007 01:20:21

Well Don't Blame us! Blame yourselves!
1990s Heath Minister comes on "News-at Ten"
"LOOK" My children eating beefburgers! NO chance CJD or "mad-cow-disease" only to be proven Soo wrong a couple of years later!
Admit it mend it! then maybe just maybe you dont have to "CRY-WOLF"

3

Paul,

09/08/2007 02:39:33

One potential way round the problem is to test the donated blood but not give the donor the test result unless they say they want to know if it is positive.

Some people will want to know if they are positive and others will not. Have a tick box on the donor application form that says if you do or do not want to be informed if the test is positive.

This way you can screen out positive donations and overcome putting off donors.

I wonder where the figure of a potential drop of 20% in blod donors comes from, have there been some focus group studies? If the rate of infection is very very low then any donor promotion campaign must emphasise this fact so that people are better informed and more relasitic.

Clearly there is a need for more donors to come forward anyway, so folks, get yourselves down to the donor centre.

4

Road to the isles,

09/08/2007 07:02:38

Paul

That's fair comment but if blood did test positive then further donations would be refused - you'd be left wondering why, would you not?

5

KP30,

Bonnybridge 09/08/2007 07:39:14

As a regular blood donor, it saddens me to read about this happening.
It's not called a blood bank for nothing you know. If you had zero money in your bank account and you tried to withdraw funds, would you be allowed?The answer would be No as you haven't inputted anything....so why should this bank be any different?!

I'm not advocating a 1in-1out scenario but if people do not have a medically justified reason for not donating, then should they have the same access to blood supplies that regular donors have?!!

6

Gnasher,

09/08/2007 07:47:17

#4 = They should take the blood anyway and make it into black pudding.

7

ochone ochone,

still here 09/08/2007 08:19:10

How many incidences of nvCJD have there been? How many did the blessed Prof. Hugh Pennington SAY there could be by now? Have CJD rates increased or decresed over the last decade? Why does anyone listen to him - a professor emeritus keen for further research grants which he hopes to gain by scaring the gullible population witless? (Not just nvCJD every incident from food hygeine to hospitals to global pandemics - there he is gloomily forecasting the end of mankind). Ignore it and live your lives or we may as well collectively slit our wrists now and be done. And go to Blood Donors! You have nothing to fear but fear itself.

8

Catherine75,

Edinburgh 09/08/2007 08:31:03

#6. You might have a point there! In Saudi (or somewhere around there) don't they take a pint of blood when you get your drivers test in case you crash and need to get some back?! (obviously not out of the same pint i'd imagine). I've donated about 18 times in my life, and i was planning to stop at 20 cos i really hate needles, but I should probably keep going. Folk could carry round a wee card in their wallet saying 'donated x pints, i'm due x pints during surgery.'!!! Somehow I don't think a lot of folk would go for that.

Oh here's an idea (and this might sound slightly morbid) but why can't we drain dead people of their blood (id not infected etc) and use that...they won't need it anymore?!

9

Frobnitz,

Edinburgh 09/08/2007 11:11:44

I used to be a very regular donor - about 80 odd pints of whole blood, and some plasma. The quality of the care given to donors plummetted about 5 years ago, and I stopped donating, and I know many others who have similar feelings. At the time I wrote to SNBTS to explain why I felt the way I did. I never received a reply. If they had address these issues, maybe there wouldn't be such a gap now.

10

Biomedical Scientist 3,

Edinburgh 09/08/2007 11:25:06

Perhaps #6 is not so far wide of the mark. With the recent debate about organ donation, and blood donation is not that much different in that is a 'gift', should anyone not wiling to donate organs after their death, (unless there are good medical reasons for not harvesting from them), be recipients?
"If you don't give, you won't get." This should be the advertising motto of the National / Scottish Blood Transfusion Service. Surely that would boost the donor scheme numbers.
I carried an organ donor card for many years and tore it up after questions were raised about brain stem death being the absolute time of death. I feared that there may be some state whereby there was still a concious after brain stem death. At that time I would have carried a card if an anaesthetic could be guaranteed for the donor. I now realise that this is unnecesssary. I have give blood since I was 18 years old, unless unwell or pregnant etc.
I reaaly do believe that perhaps the time has come that if someonewho is fit enough to give refuses to give they should be refused blood or blood products.

11

Silence of the Yamz,

09/08/2007 12:53:44

If they ever get a positive test for Nvcjd I would say this poses an ethical and moral dilema for the testers. I would say they should take the blood and obviously not use it.

12

Scotsgait,

found on the web 09/08/2007 13:24:17

#1 "When di any of you SNP dreamers donate a pint or two of your blood in the past month."

What a pathetic comment to make with regard to such a serious issue.

13

FrankJB,

York 09/08/2007 13:47:31

#11
"I really do believe that perhaps the time has come that if someonewho is fit enough to give refuses to give they should be refused blood or blood products"

I agree as a regular donor for the last few decades and when I see the flimsiest excuses made for not giving. Either that or be made to pay for it perhaps.......

14

The Fly Fifer,

Fife 09/08/2007 14:07:50

14 absolutely I agree if you are not a donor through medical reason then you dont get blood, just as in the same way those terrorists who complain about animal research should be markked in such a way that if they are injured nothing ever tested on an animal will be used to help them and goody goody, that means a reduction in those scum

15

Nemo,

nearest SBTS couch 09/08/2007 14:10:47

Where's the problem ? You have to be a cretin for this to cause you to stop donating. Ethical dilema my rrrrrrrr

1) CJD is identified at source and the infection is not unwittingly passed on to others.

2) The donor will get advance warning of what is likely to happen to them. No fun there but they then have the opportunity to deal with it in advance whilst they are still compos mentis.

I know what I would prefer, however I expect there is a healthy population of homo ostrichapiens out there.

16

James F,

Glasgow 09/08/2007 14:13:15

I've been donating for 30 years but I don't think you should have to donate to get it back. Giving blood is one of the few altruistic activities left; you never really know who gets your blood.

I'm an SNP member and I give blood (plasma) once every 3 weeks which challenges GC's (*1) rather puerile suggestion.

Ochone ochone. Prof Pennington knows more about CJD than you do; the lessons of Kiri tell us that some of us have resistance to vCJD which lasts us for about 25/30 years, others obviously don't.

At one point they thought vCJD might kill millions of us and hopefully that won't happen, but there is no doubt we got lucky - most of us. There is still vCJD in cattle now. I can't understand why people still eat the stuff.

17

GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta, CA Ancestors Cave men eat shrooms 09/08/2007 14:54:07

13. Scotsgait, found on the web

Dude it is a serious question and its also a serious problem . Why because people don't donate blood like they can and should

My question dude is valid.. Get out and give a pint dude Stop squawking

GC

18

GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta, CA Ancestors Cave men eat shrooms 09/08/2007 14:57:59

17. James F, Glasgow Good for you dude.

You are in a minority . Otherwise we would be need deep in full blood banks.

As for me the GC . I am not old ebnough to match your 30yr. record

But al mmy friend ssice exiting college give blood on a regular basis not less than every 2 months.

Our Shrooms do not effect our desire to help sick poeple.

Happy Blood Bath Day

GC

19

GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta, CA Ancestors Cave men eat shrooms 09/08/2007 14:59:05

enough, all my, since,

20

flounder,

Bacliff, Texas 09/08/2007 15:26:21

sporadic cjd is increaseing globally. how many phenotypes of sporadic CJD are there? do they transmit blood, and does accumulation play into this long death sentence ? what about BASE, USA BASE is more virulent to humans than UK BSE, so what about the blood of those sCJD victims that donated, blood from donors of BASE, of which is also linked to sporadic CJD ? the UKBSEnvCJD story, is one part of a much larger global TSE problem. ...TSS


18 January 2007 - Draft minutes of the SEAC 95 meeting (426 KB) held on 7
December 2006 are now available.


snip...

64. A member noted that at the recent Neuroprion meeting, a study was
presented showing that in transgenic mice BSE passaged in sheep may be more
virulent and infectious to a wider range of species than bovine derived BSE.

Other work presented suggested that BSE and bovine amyloidotic spongiform
encephalopathy (BASE) MAY BE RELATED. A mutation had been identified in the
prion protein gene in an AMERICAN BASE CASE THAT WAS SIMILAR IN NATURE TO A
MUTATION FOUND IN CASES OF SPORADIC CJD.


snip...

http://www.seac.gov.uk/minutes/95.pdf




3:30 Transmission of the Italian Atypical BSE (BASE) in Humanized Mouse

Models Qingzhong Kong, Ph.D., Assistant Professor, Pathology, Case Western Reserve
University

Bovine Amyloid Spongiform Encephalopathy (BASE) is an atypical BSE strain
discovered recently in Italy, and similar or different atypical BSE cases
were also reported in other countries. The infectivity and phenotypes of
these atypical BSE strains in humans are unknown. In collaboration with
Pierluigi Gambetti, as well as Maria Caramelli and her co-workers, we have
inoculated transgenic mice expressing human prion protein with brain
homogenates from BASE or BSE infected cattle. O

21

flounder,

Bacliff, Texas 09/08/2007 15:28:39

what about blood in USA ??? excluding the BASE and BSE risk factors of the USA, back to the ukbsenvcjd only theory, and just those recalls ;


MAD COW nvCJD blood recalls May 2007 FDA


PRODUCT
Red Blood Cells, Leukocytes Reduced, Recall # B-1221-07
CODE
Unit: 7113661
RECALLING FIRM/MANUFACTURER
LifeShare Blood Centers, Shreveport, LA, by facsimile on April 5, 2005. Firm
initiated recall is complete.
REASON
Blood product, collected from a donor who was at increased risk for new
variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease (nvCJD), was distributed.
VOLUME OF PRODUCT IN COMMERCE
1 unit
DISTRIBUTION
NJ

___________________________________
PRODUCT
a) Red Blood Cells, Leukocytes Reduced, Recall # B-1222-07;
b) Recovered Plasma, Recall # B-1223-07
CODE
a) and b) Units: 5587539, 9710079
RECALLING FIRM/MANUFACTURER
LifeShare Blood Centers, Shreveport, LA, by telephone, facsimile, and e-mail
beginning August 10, 2005. Firm initiated recall is complete.
REASON
Blood products, collected from a donor who was at increased risk for new
variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease (nvCJD), were distributed.
VOLUME OF PRODUCT IN COMMERCE
4 units
DISTRIBUTION
LA and Switzerland

___________________________________

http://www.fda.gov/bbs/topics/enforce/2007/ENF01002.html


PRODUCT
Source Plasma, Recall # B-1239-07
CODE
Units: 90002025 and 90003068
RECALLING FIRM/MANUFACTURER
Aventis Bio-Services, Inc., dba Biomat USA, Inc., Clarksville, TN, by
facsimile on December 17, 2003. Firm initiated recall is complete.
REASON
Blood products, collected from a donor who was at increased risk for variant
Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease (vCJD), were distributed.
VOLUME OF PRODUCT IN COMMERCE
2 units

22

flounder,

Bacliff, Texas 09/08/2007 15:33:14

Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease Mortality in Japan, 1979-2004: Analysis of
National Death Certificate Data


Yuriko Doi1), Tetsuji Yokoyama2), Miyoshi Sakai2) and Yosikazu Nakamura3)

1) Department of Epidemiology, National Institute of Public Health.
2) Department of Technology Assessment and Biostatistics, National Institute
of Public Health.
3) Department of Public Health, Jichi Medical University.

(Received: September 13, 2006)
(Accepted: March 18, 2007)

snip...


Rather, it may be the true fact that in Japan our results reflect to a large
extent a genuine increase in CJD. The number of iCJD cases may still
increase even after the total ban on the practice of causal grafts.5,8
Regarding sporadic CJD (sCJD), a recent report from the European Unions
collective study on CJD suggests that the mortality rates from sCJD
increased with time between 1993 and 2002.20 It is quite probable that this
temporal increase of sCJD may also exist in Japan. The increase may have
been accompanied to some extent by the improvement of physicians diagnostic
skills for CJD since 1997 when a manual for clinical practice on CJD was
introduced in our country.20,21


http://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/jea/17/4/17_133/_article

http://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/jea/17/4/133/_pdf

23

TheSmith,

holding on the phone to the NHS 09/08/2007 15:33:46

I tried to give blood a week ago. As I had an operation 20 years ago, and could not remember if I received a blood transfusion (well I was only 3), I cannot now give blood until I find out for sure.
If I did receive blood, I cannot give any due to the possible link with CJD (same with anyone who received blood from 1980 up til now).

The main problem has been trying to track down my medical records, being passed from one obnoxious or useless NHS clerk to another, with no answers or suggestions on how to get my information so I can actually do something that will help their patients.

Its making me feel very nervous about what could happen if I did need another transfusion now...

24

James F,

Glasgow 09/08/2007 16:39:34

GC (*19)

Happy blood bath day to you too. Keep on keepin' on.

25

Eve,

Scotland 09/08/2007 16:44:47

#24. TheSmith: Would it no be in yer doctors records in yer doctors surgery!!!
------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Though I must admit it's no easy to give blood, I'm personal scared of the finger prick test, oh I can't stand haveing cuts on my finger or toe tips (it makes me really prone to faiting). It's no good faitting after the test as they won't take the blood form you unless yer about 100% health (I've heard they won't take blood for thoes who test postive for animia on the day). I know that I'm fine with blood coming out my arm because I had a blood test once and I was fine.

I have thought about giving bloodm, now, I use to be a wee bit under weight and loesing blood any where use to make me feel faint BUT these days I'm keeping my wieght stedy at a health weigh, shame about the finger tip test.


I wonder if there open to doing the test on the arm, instead of the finger tips. Might ask them the next time I see them.

26

GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta, CA Ancestors Cave men eat shrooms 09/08/2007 16:54:56

21. flounder, Bacliff, Texas
Dude your scribe maybe technically great , but dude its too long and very boring.

Dude are you near our idiot Pres Bush's ranch in Crawford.

If U are can you drive over and see if he is growing Shrooms on this ranch ..

Like wild shrooms they are oten the best to munch with dark chocolate.

Bush used to be a coke-head now we think he is a shroomy-head on his ranch.

Watcha tink dude

Happy "National Death Certificate Day dude

GC

Hey Eve dude .

If u didn't laugh U would cry,
Thats an ancient Chinese proverb speard around Southern California by the druid "57Normad"

Happy Ghosts Day

GC

27

scully,

Colchester 09/08/2007 18:21:05

I was a blood donor for a good number of years. I feel good that because of me and all the others that gave blood, we gave life to an other person.They say there is no greater gift that you can give, than to lay down your life for a friend, and two main things keep you alive. Blood and water., Then along came aids and thousands of lives were lost because of people with aids giving blood. I dont know if you remember a programme called Starkey and Hutch, well Starkey,s wife and little son died. because she was given a blood transfusion while pregnant and it was contaminated with aids. and athough Homosexuals were asked not to give blood, they would not stop because they did not want anyone to know they were homosexual. I was with the Red Cross at the time and did attend blood tranfusuion sessions, to dish out tea and biscuits, so I know this to be true, yes you could get decease from black pudding because it is made with animal blood.I have never eater black pudding in my whole life.eating blood seemed nausiating

28

Phyl,

Edinburgh 09/08/2007 20:41:41

#10 - I don't know what you can be talking about, I have been a blood donor for a while, my first donation was about five years ago and I started donating as regularly as you are allowed five donations ago (so over a year now, every 12 weeks) and the quality of care is exceptional. The staff are always extremely freidnly and appreciative of you coming in and I consider that atmosphere something that makes me enjoy going to donate even though nobody likes the needle bit, lets face it. For an hour of your time, once every 12 weeks, you can volunteer something that you do not need right now and as a regular donor be fairly sure that you have saved at least one life if not several.

I think one of the biggest things that the Blood Transfusion Service need to get acrtoss to the public is that if you ever need to recieve a blood transfusion yourself - that it, you can't donate any more. So that means if you do not donate NOW - you might not be able to make up for it after your own life is saved by other people a bit more motivated and generous with their time.

NO EXCUSES people - I know far too many people that say they 'never get round to it', or 'don't really like needles' - tough! If you want to ever feel justified in having your own life saved by another blood donor and if you want to help avoid people literally dying for lack of your donation - get off your arse, deal with the minor and temporary unpleasantness of the needle and give blood NOW. Later might be too late...

29

Harvey Y,

Melbourne, Australia 09/08/2007 22:34:47

I live in Melbourne Australia, where they take the risk of vCJD rather more seriously. I will never be able to donate blood here as I lived in the UK during the risk period.

It seems that the rest of the world is acutely aware of the potential problem, and is actively doing something about it to protect the population.

30

Kipling,

England 09/08/2007 23:18:23

Who said we need blood ? 'The Abominable Dr Phibes' -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Abominable_Dr._Phibes -- has Dr Phibes surviving on embalming fluid for three years, until 'Dr. Phibes rises again'. Can't say what it did to his brain, he was loony before and appears to be loony afterwards. I suspect that NICE would prohibit prescribing embalming fluid on the NHS on the grounds of cost effectiveness, as whoever used it as a substitute would be out of work, or at least in a state of (state funded) suspension.

31

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 09/08/2007 23:31:31

#30 Harvey Y, well that was well said and "hts-the-nail-on-the-head"
"Quote"is actively doing something about it to protect the population."quote"
You see over here we are all quite happy to be brainwashed and beleive all we are told and its getting worse!
We just say "YES-MINISTER-THREE-BAGS-FULL-MINISER"
The IDIOTS just cant see it!

32

Laurette,

Carlsbad, California 09/08/2007 23:54:50

I attempted to give blood when I was scheduled for a hip replacement. Although my cardiologist faxed the Blood Bank to say that I was fit - they refused to take my own blood because I have a defibrillator. The nurse there said "It might go off and scare people" - like it was a car alarm! For my next three replacements I used donor blood that quite easily could have been used for someone else rather than my own blood. Silly rules like this make no sense when there is a shortage. I'd be quite happy to be a regular donor.

33

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 10/08/2007 00:34:04

#33 Unfortunately "Silly Rules" and "Silly People" are taking over our world, is it not the time for us to put a STOP to it?

34

Catharine,

Winnipeg, Canada 10/08/2007 02:00:19

People don't give blood mostly because they are lazy or ignorant. We had a huge problem in the 80s with HIV tainted blood and people stopped donating because they figured they could get aids by giving blood. The Canadian Blood Services have stilll not recovered completely. I give when I can - but they don't like my bodyart - even though my last tattoo was done a couple of years ago, it usually takes an argument to give the stuff away!

35

MichScot,

USA 10/08/2007 02:37:51

#35
or anemic

36

Nemo,

Having my tea and biscuit 10/08/2007 11:47:07

That would be 'anaemic' then?

37

Pomona man,

Orkney 10/08/2007 12:04:59

I used to be a donor when I lived in England. But there are no collections in Orkney.

I, along with a fair proportion of our 20,000 population would welcome the chance to give blood. The SNBTS has been contacted repeatedly, but their answer is always that they cannot get the blood back for processing in time. Yet they have sessions in Stornoway so wheres the logic in that when they are crying out for blood?

38

Abigail,

USA 10/08/2007 13:24:16

I cannot understand why you all would not WANT to know that you have this CJD. It is a terrrible thing I know, but wouldn't you want to know that you have it, so you could make arrangements for the future? For yourself and your family? I don't understand your thinking on avoiding giving blood because you are afraid of finding out you have CJD.

39

Independent,

Chicago 10/08/2007 19:48:11

This mad cow in the UK issue has already sharply curtailed donations and supply in the US, and it's quite nuts. No more holidays in the UK if I want to donate:

At this time, the American Red Cross donor eligibility rules related to vCJD are as follows:

You are not eligible to donate if:

From January 1, 1980, through December 31, 1996, you spent (visited or lived) a cumulative time of 3 months or more, in the United Kingdom (UK), or

From January 1, 1980, to present, you had a blood transfusion in any country(ies) in the (UK).

The UK includes any of the countries listed below.

Channel Islands
England
Falkland Islands
Gibraltar
Isle of Man
Northern Ireland
Scotland
Wales


 

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