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Published Date:
10 November 2006
ANTISOCIAL behaviour orders must be used more frequently to improve the quality of life in Scotland, ministers said yesterday.
Two years after the Scottish Executive extended the range and scope of ASBOs to give the authorities greater power to tackle antisocial behaviour, many areas are still not taking full advantage of the legislation.

Basic antisocial behaviour orders have been around for seven years but the 2004 Anti-Social Behaviour Act extended the scope of ASBOs to cover young teenagers (12-15) for the first time and allow courts to impose ASBOs as part of a sentence.

The act also introduced new measures for councils and the police, including police dispersal orders, fixed penalty notices for litter and antisocial behaviour and closure orders for domestic premises.

However, since the Act came into force, only six ASBOs have been handed down to the under-16s and 65 ASBOs have been awarded alongside convictions. This compares to the 200 ordinary ASBOs handed out in 2004-5 alone.

Cathy Jamieson, the justice minister, and her deputy, Hugh Henry, yesterday hosted an event to mark the second anniversary of the act. Mr Henry, the minister for antisocial behaviour, said: "We want the areas that are not using these powers, to use them. If it can work in one part of the country it can work in another.

"It's evident that there are still parts of the country where the powers are not being used to the full extent. They can make a difference. We want people to know the powers are there."

So has the Executive's decision to extend the range and scope of ASBOs and give the authorities greater power to tackle antisocial behaviour actually made the streets safer?

The act certainly made a difference to David Murray, who had already endured an astonishing catalogue of abuse.

Nuisance neighbours had put a hosepipe down his chimney and flooded his sitting room. He had also been threatened, intimidated and kept awake at night.

The 60-year-old's crime was to have complained about his neighbours in the area of Brechin where he lives, but nothing had been done to help him.

The breaking point came when youths deliberately poisoned his fish pond, killing £5,000 worth of koi carp.

Then, with help of the Anti-Social Behaviour Act, action was taken.

The council caught the people responsible while they tried to flood Mr Murray's sitting room for a second time and they were convicted.

But the new act has not been without its critics. Some experts have warned that ASBOs are counter-productive because they are viewed as "badges of honour" by some .

Edinburgh antisocial behaviour campaigner Betty Watson, 65, warns that ASBOs can be particularly ineffective with persistent offenders.

Some police officers were sceptical about dispersal orders when they were first proposed because they feared they would simply displace problems to other areas.

Opposition politicians also believed the Executive was guilty of trying to appear to take action for political purposes, when the existing laws were strong enough to deal with antisocial behaviour, as long as they were enforced properly.

Sheila Gilmore, a Labour councillor in Edinburgh said one of the reasons the act had been so infrequently used was because the rules on under-16 ASBOs are so restrictive, it is very difficult to get them approved.

She said: "The way the legislation has been framed means you are required to sign up the backing of children's services, social work and the children's reporter's office to get an ASBO for an under-16.

"Also, there are a lot of professionals who do not believe they should be used on the under-16s in the first place so are reluctant to use them."

However, as far as the police are concerned, their experience on the ground does seem to have been positive.

Superintendent Campbell Corrigan, the sub-divisional officer for the West End of Glasgow, said

there had been fears of displacing the problem to elsewhere, but this did not seem to have happened.

He said: "It's been a success. I am not naive enough to think it's the only thing we need to do. As we get towards the end of it, we need to look at it long-term. I will consider whether we need to reinstate it."

Helen Eadie, the Labour MSP for Dunfermline East, is one of the many, however, who have come up against virulent antisocial behaviour which has been unaffected by the new laws.

Ms Eadie's car was attacked by a marauding group of children as young as 12; she was intimidated and abused.

She said the Executive had done all it could and she too blamed the authorities for not implementing the new powers.

"At the moment, the powers are not being used," she said. "My constituents feel they are not getting the protection they need to go about their business."

Jack McConnell, the First Minister, clearly sees tackling antisocial behaviour as central to his re-election plans. He believes that if he can persuade the people that they are safer, with a greater recourse to the law than before, then he will deserve - and receive - their votes.

For the few who have managed to get the authorities to take action, the new laws have made a big and positive difference and they will undoubtedly appreciate Mr McConnell's efforts.

There are many others, however, who are still having to cope with intimidation and abuse and who have received no respite from the new act.

Order made to protect public


Q: What is an ASBO?

A: An ASBO is an antisocial behaviour order, made against a person who has been shown to have caused alarm, harassment or distress to others. ASBOs are issued when the courts believe they are necessary to protect the public from further antisocial acts.

Q: How are ASBOs issued?

A: ASBOs are issued by sheriff courts in Scotland following action by local authorities. They are civil orders, but anyone breaching them is guilty of a criminal offence and can be prosecuted. Although they are civil orders, the behaviour of the perpetrator must be proved to be to a criminal standard.

Q: What happens if an ASBO is breached?

A: The offender is liable for criminal prosecution, resulting, if guilty, in a fine of up to £5,000 or up to five years in prison.

Q: Who can get an ASBO?

A: When the first law was passed in 1998, ASBOs could only be issued against adults. The Anti-Social Behaviour Act of 2004 extended them to 12-15 year olds, but only after the approval of authorities, including social workers and the children's reporter.

Their effect has been wide-ranging. A cockerel in the Borders was threatened with an ASBO earlier this year but that was thrown out by a sheriff. In England, a woman was given an ASBO to prevent her jumping into rivers, railways and canals. This is because she was putting the emergency services in danger when they came to rescue her.

Q: What sort of behaviour can result in an ASBO?

Typical sorts of behaviour include vandalism, theft, abusive behaviour, begging, harassment, flyposting, or organising raves. However, a typical factor in an ASBO is repeated offences which alone might be considered minor. For example, swearing at a neighbour in itself is likely to be considered a minor infraction; but when it happens daily over many months it becomes harassment.

Q: How many ASBOs have been issued in Scotland?

A: The figures for 2004-5 show that 200 were handed down by the courts and this was a 60 per cent rise on the previous year.

The number of under-16s hit by ASBOs is much smaller, however, with just six granted in the two years since the law was changed.

Q: What do people feel about ASBOs?

A: They are generally very popular. A MORI opinion poll published last year found that 82 per cent of the British public were in favour of ASBOs, however only 39 per cent believed they were effective in their current form.

Q: What do opponents say?

A: Some critics argue that it criminalises behaviour that is otherwise lawful. Other parties have voiced concerns about the open-ended nature of ASBO penalties - that is, there is little restriction on what a court may impose as the terms of the ASBO, and little restriction on what can be designated as antisocial behaviour. There have also been fears that some offenders try to get them, wearing them like "a badge of honour" instead of seeing them as a punishment.

LOCAL EFFORTS PAID OFF


WHEN her estate became overrun with rowdy teenagers, Betty Watson, from Edinburgh, decided to take the law into her own hands.

For more than five years, the 65-year-old pensioner has been campaigning to integrate young boys and girls on the Broomhouse Estate, firmly convinced that only stopping teenagers engaging in petty crime can put an end to anti-social behaviour.

Her tireless efforts to reach out to unruly children earned her an MBE last year, but Mrs Watson believes antisocial behaviour orders may not always be the answer to teenage crime.

"ASBOs are not always the solution. It depends on how far down the line you're going to hit the boys and girls," she said.

"If they are habitual offenders it's quite difficult to hit them with an ASBO stick. I've had problems in the past. I remember one of the teenagers on the estate would phone the fire brigade all the time, making false calls.

"That person was served an ASBO, around the time when ASBOs first came in force. Then, I have a feeling the youth was caught phoning the fire brigade again. In the end it was the police who got involved and sorted the matter out."

The pensioner said Broomhouse Estate has been transformed from a wasteland into a peaceful community thanks to the concerted efforts of residents.

EVIDENCE LED TO BAN FROM MALL


SHOPPING centre managers are used to youths hanging around their malls, but occasionally someone comes along who is such a menace that extra action needs to be taken.

This was the situation that confronted Neil Fincham, 55, manager of the West Side Plaza in Edinburgh's Wester Hailes.

He said: "There was one particular individual who was barred from the centre, but he continued to try to flout the ban. He would continually try to come in to steal. When we confronted him, he was abusive and threatening."

Mr Fincham was advised that he might be able to get an anti-social behaviour order imposed on that individual, but no commercial ASBO had ever been issued in Scotland before.

The manager recorded all the problems he had with the individual

until he had enough evidence for the council to take action, and the first commercial ASBO in Scotland was issued, barring the person from the centre and the surrounding area.

Mr Fincham explained that, unlike the centre's own ban, the ASBO is backed up by the force of law.

"Breaking the conditions of an ASBO is a criminal offence. He can be arrested on the spot, taken to court and given a £5,000 fine or five years in prison," he said.

NOISY NEIGHBOUR SILENCED


FOR Raylene Anderson, main picture, the problem with her noisy neighbour could not have come at a worse time.

Ms Anderson, 37, had just returned to her home near Easter Road in Edinburgh at the end of last year after giving birth to her second daughter, when a neighbour started playing loud music at all hours of the day and night, banging on the walls and shouting obscenities.

"What little sleep I had with a newborn baby, he deprived me of that," she said yesterday.

And she added: "I have never felt so upset, so frustrated. That noise, combined with the baby when I returned to work, was appalling. Some nights I didn't get any sleep at all and had to cope at work."

Ms Anderson contacted Edinburgh City Council and the police, and the council sent an antisocial behaviour team to assess the problem.

The 47-year-old noisy neighbour then attacked the council officers.

The culprit was issued with an interim order in May this year and a full antisocial behaviour order, barring him from making noise in the Albion Place tenement flats, in July.

"That did make a difference. What I think is good is that, when you are really down, you can believe there is light at the end of the tunnel; that's what happened to me," she said.

The full article contains 2140 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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1

Anne,

10/11/2006 06:46:57

I would have thought Scottish law's "catch-all" of breach of the peace could have been just as well used in all these cases.
If the laws we already have were to be applied with a bit more enthusiasm, then perhaps ordinary people would be able to live their lives without harassment by others.

2

Cadgers,

Perth 10/11/2006 07:32:39

Hit them where it hurts...in the pocket. Either stop their benefits or stop their parents benefits.

3

DJ,

10/11/2006 08:31:25

If the time, effort and resources put into planning for, applying for and administering ASBOs had been put into pure and simple street policing there would have been
a) fewer problems in the first place and
b) a greater impact on anti-social behaviour

4

A time not lost.,

Dundee 10/11/2006 08:48:44

Sorry to say that I don’t believe that the ‘ASBO’ will work as a form of punishment. I read only last week that various members of the community now consider the ASBO as a badge of achievement and something to actively sought.

Already it has failed.

It fails (in my view) because it seeks to punish people and yet human nature is to resist hardship and to find a way to either rise above or endure.

Far better would be to shame these people. Shame them in public where everyone can see them and can see their crime, in doing this the only way the offender can change the way the public view them is to work to change people’s opinion. Bring back the use of the stockade in a public place. Publish the crime for which the person is being shamed above that stockade and let the common law abiding people show their disgust.

Some may see this idea as outrageous in ‘civilised’ society, but ASBO’s don’t work and we need something that does. Maybe we should look back in time to see what we have forgotten?

5

mr chips,

10/11/2006 09:13:29

1. Anne /Breech of the peace does cover these cases. mCONnell like to be seen to be doing something, so he introduces rubbish policies like asbo,s and banning things from smoking in trucks to
fur farms.

6

JWW,

Whitburn, West Lothian. 10/11/2006 09:26:18

#1. Good point Anne.
In the future, Scotland's new secondary police force, ie councils, will be probably more involved in the enforcement of ASBOs.
Using the current laws, such as breach of the peace, to maintain law and order would make this transition of power to council departments more difficult.

7

Ken,

10/11/2006 09:30:11

ASBO'S in my opinion are a waste of time.
Councils are reluctant to use them, they spin it by saying that an ASBO is a sign of failure for the council, so it is no surprise that they do not have the will to admit they are failling.
Breach of the Peace, as has been said by #1 is quite correct. To me it seems that the scot exec have pend far too much money on this. Give the POlice more resouses to have more police on the street, let the judicial system be made to punish these hooligans.

8

Sad to the Bone,

10/11/2006 09:59:02

Ma da's ASBO's bigger than your da's. Ma sister goat wan too!

9

mr chips,

10/11/2006 10:06:40

When asbo,s first came out, the kids where I live had a competition to see who could get one first.

First prize was a bottlle of buckfast.

10

Mary,

Dundee 10/11/2006 10:13:31

www.anti-socialbritain.co.uk

Oh yeah ASBOS are really working!!!

11

Jockyw,

Edinburgh 10/11/2006 11:04:34

Can some point out the relevance of the attached main picture with Raylene Anderson? How was her problem with her noisy neighbour coming at a worse time? This article by HAMISH MACDONELL yet again seems rushed if not cut and paste from a previous report on ASBO's in general. Mr MacDonnell has produced to average articles in 2 days, not working hard enough especially as he has assistance for this report in AURA SABADUS. Great story about David Murray but what’s the story about Raylene Anderson? Especially as we have a picture of her and not David Murray.

12

Onlooker,

10/11/2006 12:55:21

I know how we can stop it. Arrest the ringleader for all this hassle: Hugh Henry, the Minister for Anti-Social Behaviour. With a name like that, it's a surprise he hasn't been lifted before, what with co-ordinating all these troubled, troubling teens and their shady doings. Put him in the stocks, throw tomatoes at him, cane him across the eyes, make him wear a clown (ie Joke McConman) suit and, after that litany of atrocity, I doubt we'll see much bad behaviour in Scotland again. 'Minister for Anti-Social Behaviour,' I ask you! I thought ministers were supposed to be helping ERADICATE youth problems instead of ENCOURAGING them just so they have a job. Sigh. Ridiculous.

13

John from Aberdeen,

Aberdeen 10/11/2006 13:02:26

Bring back the Bobby on the street and the good old clip round the ear. Or in the case of Raylene Anderson's neighbour, appropriate use of truncheon (or baseball bat!!) should have silenced the b**tard forever!!

14

Stewarty,

10/11/2006 14:35:55

#4 some good points, especially about the need to put these people to public shame.

Many I have spoken to would support the return of the stocks. Are you listening Cathy Jamieson?

15

mr chips,

10/11/2006 15:49:56

15. Stewarty / Cathie jamieson should be first in the stocks, for her sheer incompetance and inability to recognise that she is no were near up to the job.

16

Danepiper,

New Mexico, USA 10/11/2006 16:03:22

So, what does an ASBO get you? Looking on as a foreign national I have no idea how it serves to enforce a behavior change. Does getting one mean that the next offence and any further offences merit immediate arrest and incarceration with no questions asked, or is it merely like drawing a warning card in soccer or a foul in basketball?

17

Ken,

10/11/2006 16:06:55

Good old Cathy Jamieson, today listed by the 'wonderful' SUN rag (even worse than the Scots-unionist-man newpaper), as one of the 9 most 'formidable females'.
Ex-social worker and trained therapist
No wonder our criminals and thugs are laughing

18

Miss H,

10/11/2006 18:09:56

Completely cynical interpretation - possibly Raylene's neighbours were playing loud music to drown out the sound of her newborn baby crying?

Thin walls have a lot to answer for.....

19

Esther. Mexico.,

10/11/2006 19:13:41

What happens after these thugs have damaged someone's property ...are the thugs expected to clean up their own mess, replace the damaged items, write a letter of apology..what?
Is the victim responsible for dealing with the trauma as well as the expense ?
A judge in Canada ordered a group of teenagers to scrub the walls of a building that they had defaced with spray paint.
They spent the best part of a week-end removing every speck of paint..lesson learned.
Oh yes, they were also forced to contend with the humiliating jeers of passers-by.

20

Tom01,

UK 10/11/2006 20:13:16

What is the use of an ASBO for some of those scum - they will just reoffend. Might as well execute them at outset and save state money in longer term.

21

Menzies,

Canada 10/11/2006 20:38:49

This kind of ties in with the article about the thief on Colonsay: in communities where everyone knows everyone else, you don't mess up because someone will know your parents or know you enough to give you a clout on the ear. There have been pokes at Weegies here but I'd be willing to bet there was less crime when the Gorbels were standing than afterwards when they tore them down and moved everyone to the Schemes. They destroyed a sense of community and replaced it with a wasteland where no one could connect any more. We reap what we sow in our cities.

22

tom, HR6,

10/11/2006 23:14:25

ASBO scum are just that - scum.

Let's bring back execution. I'm steaming mad just now just having seen the image of that piece of s*** on television who murdered the young student on the Glasgow-Paignton train in May. What a prime example of cretinous ASBO scum - shaven head, sub-human face, obligatory ear-ring etc etc. What a monkey - except that description is nasty to monkeys.

23

Wee Hev,

Sydney 10/11/2006 23:31:36

A serious kicking will have much more effect than an ASBO. We should start up training camps in the Highlands, staffed by Royal Marines PT instructors. Anyone who thinks he's hard can take a pop at the guys any time he likes!

The scum could live in tents, year-round, and be allocated the rations that serving soldiers have to eat. Their day could consist of hole-digging, running aimlessly up and doon mopuntains 'til they puke, and fighting against much harder blokes just before tea every day, so they'd be sure to get a regular reminder that they are cowardly vermin, and not at all hard!

After completion of their sentence they should be tattooed on the forehead with the word: "SCUM" which would only wear off after six months...

I think this may serve as both a deterrent and a punishment. Besides, it would give those of us who have had to put up with these pukes a bit of a laugh!


 

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