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Cameron: I'll bring back 'National Service' to counter yob culture



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Published Date: 19 January 2008
DAVID Cameron has called for a revived form of National Service to steer out-of-control youths back on the straight and narrow, in the wake of the murder of Garry Newlove.
Compulsory military conscription, which ended in Britain in 1960, gave young people a feeling of identity with their country, Mr Cameron said
Compulsory military conscription, which ended in Britain in 1960, gave young people a feeling of identity with their country, Mr Cameron said
The Conservative leader said Britain's streets had been "lost" to thugs, as he pointed to the killing of an innocent father of three by a teenage gang.

There was a need for "big social, cultural and political change" to tackle the problem of social disorder", he said.

While he said he would not bring back National Service in a traditional form, he called for a new "national citizens' service", which would involve the army and other voluntary services. He said it was "something all 16-year-olds should do, to learn about their duties and responsibilities as citizens and inspire them as being part of our country instead of being people who hang round on street corners".

Mr Cameron has said that a "rites of passage" scheme would encourage school-leavers to devote six weeks to military training, working in prisons, with the elderly or in developing countries.

He said: "National Service did bring people together and say, 'Look, you're part of something bigger than yourself, part of a country, and you have responsibilities and duties as a citizen'. That's what I think we ought to be doing."

Mr Cameron also agreed with Mr Newlove's widow, Helen, who said Britain's streets had been lost to violent youths.

His remarks come after The Scotsman highlighted the binge-drinking culture gripping some youngsters across Scotland.

In an emotional statement after her husband's killers were jailed earlier this week, Mrs Newlove pleaded for more to be done to stop gangs going on violent, drink-fuelled rampages. Mr Cameron said: "Mrs Newlove spoke for millions when she said that, in too many parts of the country, the streets had been taken over by the thugs and society had retreated."

Adam Swellings, 19, from Crewe; Stephen Sorton, 17, of Warrington; and Jordan Cunliffe, 16, formerly of Warrington, were convicted at Chester Crown Court on Wednesday of murdering Mr Newlove, 47, outside his Warrington home last August after he confronted a gang of drunken teenagers over acts of vandalism.

Swellings was on bail at the time of the attack.

Downing Street yesterday defended the record of Gordon Brown, the Prime Minister, on tackling anti-social behaviour and youth crime.

Asked whether Britain's streets had been lost to thugs, his spokeswoman said there were still "pockets" where more action was needed.

However, she said he was still focused on the "respect" agenda and that he was working with retailers, police and drinks companies to tackle alcohol misuse.

The government has pledged to learn lessons from the murder of Mr Newlove, as MPs from all parties are demanding an urgent debate on bail conditions for violent criminals.



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1

COLINTON.MAINS,

Oakville Ontario 19/01/2008 00:32:24
DO.NOT.TALK.ABOUT.IT.DO.IT.OR.ARE.YOU.ALL.TALK
2

Richardinho,

19/01/2008 00:44:17
Usual pish.
3

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19/01/2008 01:05:59
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4

subrosa,

19/01/2008 01:30:41
National Service is the wrong way to go. Our forces are already stretched and dumping such individuals onto our expert military would possibly result in many more leaving. Some form of community/civil service perhaps is the answer. David Cameron should look closely Europe where there are some excellent mandatory schemes running and have been for many years.
5

SILVANA,

glasgow 19/01/2008 01:42:28
It is such a pity that Cameron is all words and no action nor future action. I agree, bring back national service and as to community service, that's just a joke to the yobs.
6

Brian Hill,

Edinburgh 19/01/2008 02:18:06
I have long resisted any form of National Service but in this case David Cameron has a point.

However it would only be useful if it were run like an advanced Boys Brigade where young men had their worth reflected back to them via the usual abseiling, orienteering and so forth.

Bawling and shouting at these youngsters from 5am till dusk would either break them or turn them into embittered thugs desperate to have revenge on society.

Happily Cameron seems to be thinking along youth guidance lines. If he does I'm sure it would be a definite vote winner, especially in middle England. More importantly it would be a major development for the better in the lives of so many of our youngsters.
7

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19/01/2008 03:00:25
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8

Richardinho,

19/01/2008 03:18:51
Is there any chance we could just put people who break the law in prison? Is that too old fashioned for everyone?
9

I'm no really here,

19/01/2008 04:15:55
What we need is Military Discipline - NOT Military Training.
10

Clan-destine,

kyoto Japan 19/01/2008 04:47:08
Give the young thugs the option of going to jail or going into the army. Form a special "offenders battalion" and when they've proved they can take the discipline then upgrade them to a regular battalion/regiment. The army's saved many a young guy from a career of advancement through the penal system.The army's not everyone's cup of tea but it can help a lot of young guys whose lives are purposeless and meaningless.
11

Pilrig.,

Livingston 19/01/2008 06:46:47
Call Me Dave - an old Etonian who's never done an ordinary job in his life.
12

Pilrig.,

Livingston 19/01/2008 06:48:56
There is already national service in this country - it's called income tax.
13

Jonboy,

19/01/2008 06:56:37
Does this mean that 10/11 year old kids in Dundee would be forced into signing up..?
14

The Trossachs Hasher,

19/01/2008 07:06:10
#7 - turn them into embittered thugs desperate to have revenge on society.

What do you think they might actually do?? Roam the streets drunk looking for trouble?? OOps sorry, they do that already?

About time they were bawled and shouted at. Make a change from them bawling and shouting at us.
15

donald,

glasgow 19/01/2008 07:42:46
You'd need to herd a lot of fat bustards and dopeheids at bayonet point.
16

Jimmy the Pie,

Just going out to buy the Herald (Scotlands' only 19/01/2008 07:58:35
Usual drivel from the Tories. Lets hope they win the next general election and as Alex will storm the next Scottish election, Independence is just around the corner!!!
17

Jimmy the Pie,

Just going out to buy the Herald (Scotlands' only 19/01/2008 07:58:35
Usual drivel from the Tories. Lets hope they win the next general election and as Alex will storm the next Scottish election, Independence is just around the corner!!!
18

Jimmy the Pie,

19/01/2008 07:59:48
Sorry about the double posting - crap website! unlike the Herald's!!!
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Mercutio,

FALKIRK 19/01/2008 08:07:04
#19 Crap poster, just like the Herald's when they allow you to comment.
20

Erse,

Middle East 19/01/2008 08:38:03
The authorities in Germany sent a 16 year old thug to Siberia recently - fantastic eh? No electricity, no heating except for the wood that he chops and he has to dig his own latrine.

Why doesn't the loony nu-labour hand-wringing government try that? Wait a minute it would mean that they would actually have to care about something other than covering their own @rses and feathering their own nests before they implemented any drastic measures that might benefit the country.
21

Paul Voltaire,

19/01/2008 08:46:59
There is nothing happening now that the Cat O' Nine Tails could not handle.
22

Badgerczars,

19/01/2008 08:54:37
So we were crime free in the days of National Service were we? We had no yobs or gangs, no petty crime? my @rse, yet another headline grabbing, content-less non policy statement
23

whitegold,

Shire 19/01/2008 08:55:58
"Downing Street yesterday defended the record of Gordon Brown, the Prime Minister, on tackling anti-social behaviour and youth crime."

More lies and delusion. Labour's whole time in power has been one long disaster in this respect. (As in several others as well). Cameron's idea sounds OK, but really restoring discipline in schools would be a better idea and reach kids when they are younger.

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Mr. Lachie Todd,

Edinburgh 19/01/2008 09:06:45
Cameron forgets that between 1950 and 1997 his political party was in power for the most of that time and oversaw the military, political, economic, and social decline of the U.K.!

At various times during the same period, other E.U. nations, including Austria, Belgium, the Netherlands,
Italy, Spain and Portugal have, for the same reasons, re-introduced some form of military service. All these schemes were abandoned after it was found that they were highly costly, and ineffective!

Tens of thousands of young men from these countries fled abroad, similar to the half a million young Americans who left the U.S. during the Vietnam War to avoid the Draft!
25

OscarMacApfel,

Dumfries 19/01/2008 09:13:42
How old is Cameron? Has he reached 40 yet? Perhaps someone gave him a set of 'Get Some In' on DVD for his Christmas, maybe he read 'Virgin Soldiers' when he were a lad, whatever the answer he seems to have wrapped himself in some nostalgic warmth that National Service is the cure all for societies problems.

No doubt Broon will pinch this one in an attempt to curry favours with the poor sods down south whose lives are blighted by urban youth chaos. Although six weeks...a bit of a holiday isn't it?
26

Neil McCart,

Cheltenham 19/01/2008 09:43:43
What makes politicians think that our highly trained, highly motivated and highly professional Armed Forces want a crowd of troublemakers in their midst. This is just another politician attempting to grab the headlines - again.
27

popeye,

Daventry 19/01/2008 10:20:53
The military is not a social dustbin,and how about the drunken worthless girls,will they be put in the army also.
28

carrottop,

19/01/2008 10:28:44
Lots of moaning, no ideas, typical Scotsman posters.(should that be without the 't')
29

albanman,

Europe 19/01/2008 10:47:31
No.25 (Mr Lachie Todd) Correction: The national service schemes were NOT abandoned in Austria & the Netherlands. The son of a friend of mine is doing his service in Austria. He had the choice of 1 in the military or 2 doing social service, and chose the latter. He works with children who are mentally challenged. As for the Netherlands, I just confirmed with a Dutch colleague in the Hague that it is still in force. Something similar would be beneficial for the UK. Those teens who are behave like yobs don't seem to care about what their parents want or say, so let the State intervene for the good of everyone. I would certain include girls in the project.
30

mr chips,

19/01/2008 10:53:05
Give then some of this ,it has the same affect as the bucky.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=o6igpHiZO-8&feature=related
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mr chips,

19/01/2008 10:53:32
effect, opps.
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Nikostratos,

19/01/2008 11:05:01
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha he he he he he he Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha he he he he he he Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha he he he he he he Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha he he he he he he

Cameron what a kn'b.. The armed forces have more important task's to be getting on with..Than babysitting a bunch of neds.

#34 mr chips

too late you have absolutely humiliated yourself to the whole Scotland and your mam..........
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morris,

edinburgh 19/01/2008 11:08:27
One of the comments we hear often ,is discipline starts in the home.It usually comes from parents, who believe they are doing just that,and assume that because little Johnny is an angel when his parents can see him,that the child down at the corner shop "with the gang" all going in when its quiet otherwise, and stealing the shop, must be the other parents kids!Our angel would never do such a thing.Aye right !

The solution is simple.I know because I used to be a child! We all did, except some of us were a disaster then, and still are.

Discipline works to a degree,corporal punishment is internationally understood at any age in any language or culture.
Bring it back into school. When a gang of youths can make a pensioners life hell,and we accept that ,because any response from him will result in HIM being charged ,then the loonies really are running the asylum.The kids believe they can do what the hell they like,and get away with it,and they are right!Best part is its all your little angels who are from the so called good homes who are doing it !Perhaps if we jailed parents who claim they know what their kids are doing,when in fact they know absolutely bog all,for dereliction of prental duty,perhaps we might start to get somewhere.The biggest threat to law and order is tolerance!
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morris,

edinburgh 19/01/2008 11:10:46
36 continued

parental duty oops!
35

mr chips,

19/01/2008 11:29:27
35 Nikostratos. The whole Scotland ?lol
36

morris,

edinburgh 19/01/2008 11:35:42
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At least half would need to be forced into learning to read and write their own names first !
37

The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

19/01/2008 12:09:06
Cameron is a moron - the Army does not want this.
38

subrosa,

19/01/2008 12:48:00
# 3

If you have a look at European countries they do have a system of community/civil/social service as well as the option of military service. Their style of community service is nothing like the joke given that name in the UK. Call it what you will but these European countries take pride in their mandatory youth services as # 32 states.

To inflict these youths on to our army would be madness. Our services are overstretched at present and they have no personnel available to deal with this level of society. I know full well that if this was to become policy then many (of all ranks) would vote with their feet. The only way they can vote of course because they're not permitted to even comment.

What about using one of the other services such as the police or fire service? Why is it always the army? There is an army of social workers in this country why not ask them to set something up? Then again....
39

Mr. Lachie Todd,

19/01/2008 14:02:37
#32 According to the Government of the Netherlands website, conscription was abolished in 1995, and the last national servicemen were demobilised in 1996! National service was abandoned because, like the U.K., Holland elected to have volunteer Armed Forces.
As everyone knows, the Dutch Armed Forces were infamous for having national servicemen who refused to obey orders, have their hair cut, or shave off their beards and moustaces!

According to the Government of the Federal Republic of Austria website, all males between 18 and 35 must complete 6 months Miltary Service, OR 9 months Civilian Service. However, the vast majority of students, tradesmen and key workers are exempt. Austria, a neutral nation which takes on many U.N. peace-keeping roles throughout the world, has a highly trained volunteer army and air force, and only these servicemen serve abroad. Quote: "At the present time, the Austrian Parliament is planning to replace military service with some form of vocational training because of the high costs involved, and the number of 'refuseniks' who travel abroad to escape conscription."
40

kimba,

19/01/2008 14:13:01
40. You are a moron,this is a excellent solution,send them to Iraq,then they won't be so clever!
41

 Ayrshire Scot™,

19/01/2008 14:30:15
43. Ah, KImba, hoes goes the "fattygate" law suit?
42

kimba,

19/01/2008 14:36:31
Ayrshire.If you do not want to be a part of this law suit I suggest you shut up,your comment has been sent to my solicitor.
43

walter,

19/01/2008 14:36:51
I agree with some form of military style service for the yobs that are on the streets.
Why should the majority of kids that do not behave in such a manner be punished when they have done nothing wrong.
Why not make it an option for the authorities to use on these yobs, a six month system for 11 to 15 year olds and a 12 month system for 16 to 18 year olds.
A system of military discipline schooling and training, The emphasis on military discipline and schooling with some daily training for 11 to 15's and military discipline training with some daily schooling for 16 to 18,s.
44

 Ayrshire Scot™,

19/01/2008 15:09:53
45 hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

but you are a bit over weight Kimba. You posted your height and weight on here. Your are 5'8" and 14.1 stone.
45

Conan the Librarian™,

19/01/2008 15:20:07
48
It might be all muscle Ayrshire.Remember she was threatening to beat us all up?

She might be able to...
46

 Ayrshire Scot™,

19/01/2008 15:25:24
49. Could be a fair amount of unkempt straggly hair (oxsters and shoulders) making up the weight too.
47

kimba,

19/01/2008 17:31:12
AYRSHIRE.ONLY NEED TO LOSE 6 POUND,AND AS SCOTLAND IS THE OBESE CAPITAL OF THE WORLD,YOU HAVE NO ROOM TO TALK.
48

moiaussi,

19/01/2008 19:48:52
God, I must be getting old - I'm in favour of national service. It doesn't have to be military just as long as it involves serving others.
49

 Ayrshire Scot™,

19/01/2008 19:55:30
51 Only need to lose 6 lbs? To be 5'8" and 13.7 stone. Indeed. Still a heifer.

No room to talk? indeed not with your fat form taking up most of the space
50

henrymanchester,

UK 19/01/2008 20:43:25
So the idiots going to fill the streets with yobbos who have been trained to kill by the army??

What a fool.
51

Miss H,

19/01/2008 20:57:52
We seem to be getting a bit confused about the purpose. I think the idea of giving every youngsre the opportunity to participate in voluntary/community service is great. Every party supports it to one degree or another and we should just get on with doing it.

However the idea that this is somehow the answer to youth crime and disorder seems to me to be a tad naive. It is a good idea in itself but I do not think it is going to have an impact on the small number of persistent young offenders.

Also, is it just me but is the idea of giving neds guns with a particularly smart one? I would sentence them to six months retreat in a Buddhist monastery myself.
52

subrosa,

19/01/2008 21:09:57
# 55 Today's army won't entertain this believe me. They will resign. They've had enough already of every man doing the work of two. The army does far more than train to kill. Gamekeepers, police etc train to kill but they're never talked about as killers are they?

No the army have and will continue to refuse yobs into their vocation. Long may that go on as I would be far less at peace if I didn't know we had the protection of our military services.
53

Eve,

Scotland 19/01/2008 22:23:28
#51 kimba: Good for you!!, Will that make you a healthy weight or just over weight!!!! (It's important to give yer self reasonable goal when doing the life changing stuff!!)

Scotland is no the obese capital of the world, Europe probably BUT world that title still goes to America!!!

BUT to assume that we (Scots) are all obese or overweight is wrong. My BMI is 19 which means I'm at the light side of a healthy weight for my height. I'm NOT the only person in Scotland that has these stats. Ayrshire Scot could have a similar BMI to mine for all you know!!!

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Whats this storey about again!!!!

Apologies for talking off subject BUT I can't help BUT talk about health when weight is mentioned.
54

Allan(handofgod137),

21/01/2008 00:27:45
Another good idea from the torys and all the leftist trolls start whining.
55

John M,

Melbourne, Australia 21/01/2008 04:00:08
I wonder if the problem is not an absence of defence force discipline but an absence of discipline at home?

I suspect that kids who have little discipline at home don't accept the discipline enforced on us by the variety of laws.

It might be a start if parents were held legally responsible for what the children do until they are 16 or leave home, which ever happens first.

This might save the taxpayers picking up the cost of "National Service", as well as avoid potential legal action of cruelty that I fear will ensue from NS.
56

Sgritheall,

Switzerland 21/01/2008 08:41:04
Switzerland has had national service for a long time. Now about 40% of the "men" mustered gett off, because they are not fit for a few months away from mummy. Wouldn't be very different in Britain.
57

The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 11/03/2008 17:35:12
#60

Yes, the problem stems from an absence of discipline in the home and a combination of your suggestion of parents being responsible for their offspring's actions until 16 AND some form of National Service might help to stiffen backbones all round.

We spend enough on wars that are going nowhere so why not invest a fraction of this in tidying up our own back yard. It doesn't necessarily have to be a military service, but there does have to be the discipline element so participants know they can't just do anything they dam*ned well like as some do at the moment!

 

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