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Published Date: 12 February 2007
SIZE zero models were conspicuous by their absence at London Fashion Week yesterday following an outcry over bosses' refusal to ban ultra-thin girls from the catwalk.
As protesters gathered outside, the first three collections at the prestigious event featured models who, while very slim, did not look anorexic.

Organisers, the British Fashion Council (BFC), claimed that yesterday's launch vindicated their deci
sion to stop short of imposing a ban and instead ask designers to use only 'healthy-looking' models. But eating disorder experts were divided over the issue with some backing protesters' calls for stick-thin models to be barred.

The ongoing controversy coincided with a decision yesterday to reject five "too skinny" models from appearing at forthcoming Pasarela Cibelesas fashion show in Madrid under the organisers' recent pledge to bar overly thin women from the catwalk.

In London, Dublin-born designer Paul Costelloe's collection began the week-long show yesterday, followed by Caroline Charles and Ben de Lisi.

Following the event, BFC chief executive Hilary Riva said: "What I think we saw there were great models. Very tall, and there wasn't one of them which I thought looked... excessively thin."

Size zero, the American equivalent to a UK size four, is said by critics to be the same size as clothing for eight-year-olds. Concern over size zero models escalated worldwide after South American model Luisel Ramos, 22, died from a heart attack minutes after stepping off the catwalk during Uruguayan Fashion Week last year. Her death led to bans at shows around the world including Madrid, New York, and also in Scotland where the Edinburgh Fashion Festival barred excessively thin models in a move to promote "glamour, not anorexia".

After the BFC refused to follow suit Tessa Jowell, the Culture Secretary, hinted that the government might use its powers to impose a ban on size zero models at all British fashion shows. However, experts on eating disorders are split on the issue, which has led to the BFC setting up a task force to develop a voluntary code of practice for the fashion industry.

At the South London and Maudsley NHS Trust Eating Disorder Unit, one of the largest centres of its kind in the UK, specialists repeated demands for an outright ban. Lubna Mohammad-Dar, a senior psychologist at the unit, said yesterday: "If that is happening [designers using larger, healthier models] that is brilliant, but I still think the British fashion industry needs to step up now and take a ban into consideration, as I know New York and Milan have done."

Stressing the influence which skinny models and other famous figures have on ordinary people, especially young girls, she added: "It's not just models... but celebrities, too. They all have a big impact because they are all role models."

But Beat, the Eating Disorders Association which is joining the BFC task force, said a ban was pointless. A spokeswoman said: "A ban is not the answer. Size zero is not helpful, but seeing a size zero model does not cause somebody to become anorexic. It can be a trigger, but it's not a cause."



The full article contains 533 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 11 February 2007 9:30 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Anorexia
 
1

Media 1,

cape town 12/02/2007 07:00:49

So in otherwords they want to discriminate against the thin girls. Oh the joys of living in a world in which the fat, ugly,shapeless and no hopers suffer from inferiority complexes so huge they must campaign to stop all the beautiful, thin an confident people from living.

Shame on those ugly fat bugger sticker upperers!

2

gracie kelly,

stirling scotland 12/02/2007 08:46:46

As an average healthy woman, with average healthy daughters, no hang ups, but wouldn't mind being thinner we watch what we eat ~ not too many episodes of over indulgence and excercise (walk the dog ) ~ We don't watch our weights ~ we watch our sizes. If our clothes are too tight, we rein back a bit...till they fit again...it works. As for very thin people if they eat normally and are fit I see no point in banning them from the cat walk....We are as we are, thin, average and overweight.....Accept what you are.

3

paulr,

12/02/2007 09:03:20

Very true, we are what we are but remember very very few of these models are so slim naturally, they live on caffeine and diet pills to keep themselves that way, anorexia is not attractive or healthy

4

Brandon,

12/02/2007 09:09:06

Although I do believe a number of cat-walk models are in fact too skinny (borderline anorexia - or plain anorexic) - I don't think most women will be happy until we have "real women" on the cat-walks. (Real women is code for; size 14+, does no (or very little) excercise - and is sustained by cheap asda ready meals and Junk food...)
Its socially unacceptable to be a fit, slim, attractive woman today...

5

Brandon,

12/02/2007 09:11:29

Also I should point out before I get flamed that I think very few models are fit/healthy people.
Being malnurished is not attractive...

6

Media 1,

cape town 12/02/2007 09:14:16

#4 Horrible Cankers: You will note that I only reserve what you deem to be cruel posts for threads in which the topic is so ridiculous it deserves nothing less than a cruel response.

Like the lady in number 2 said, you watch what you eat, gain a few here and lose a few there. If the fashion industry wants to use very thin girls then thats their perogative and it must be respected.

Like you said..SOME girls aged 9 refuse food because they feel over weight..So what? some think they are useless in class, others hate that they must wear glasses, others are conscious that they are too thin, others hate their plukes and some their freckles, should we ban all ads featuring a kid with freckles, or glasses or plukes?

Get a life

7

Sinnerman,

Another Planet 12/02/2007 09:33:18

My wife is a natural size "0". All this media hue and cry is doing is making it even more difficult for her to find clothes that fit. Even a supermarket chain (Asda) gets criticised in the press for stocking slimmer sizes. Instead of the press inserting the age of people as they used to do, why not insert their BMI? Then we'll see "fat b*****d want thin models banned..." Envy?

8

Brandon,

12/02/2007 11:35:18

Remember anorexia is a mental illness. And its more complicated than simply - models are too thin and therefore are causing anorexia in young girls.
Whats important is making sure young girls grow up confident, secure and happy people.

We're too self obsessed as a society. Status is everything and people aren't happy to just be themselves.

If a young persons biggest concern in life is how they look, then something has gone wrong earlier down the line.

9

JG,

Fife 12/02/2007 11:53:47

A stick insect with a bit of cloth draped over her shoulders is NOT a womanly shape. I appreciate many people could do with losing weight - I could benefit from losing a pound or two myself! - but we're not talking about healthy, slim young women here - they are emaciated and do not reflect the average size of women in this country (a size 14 - 16)

10

Brandon,

12/02/2007 12:16:24

We forget the human species is an animal. A couple of hundred years ago if you couldn't hunt for your food - or do a damn hard physical days work for your food you would starve and die.
The ideal body-type for a person is to be "slim" and "lean".
Just because the majority of people don't get sufficient excercise and eat unhealthily, doesn't mean we should accept this as being right.? a size 16 is helluva large - unless you are really tall. Its going to reach a point
Just because most women are size 14-16 doesn't mean thats right. It means most people need to put the big mac down, stop watching tv, and get more damn excercise... I realise I am going to be very unpopular for saying that, but I'm sorry its the truth.

11

JG,

Fife 12/02/2007 12:23:49

#12 Brandon
Not at all - you are absolutely right! I would like to be "slim" and "lean". I wouldn't want to be "skeletal" and "emaciated", though - in fact, a bit like these shapeless models!

12

Sinnerman,

Another Planet 12/02/2007 12:49:00

Two years ago my wife and I were invited to a wedding - so she needed to have a new dress. It took us all day to find a dress. Fortunately she not only liked it, but it was the only size 6 we had come across, and not a single size 4. My wife is neither skeletal nor anorexic, she has had 3 children. My wife wishes average sizes would get slimmer, then she would have more choice in clothes. She buys children's clothes but jeans are the wrong shape; she needs safety-pins to pull int the waist. Why should women now be demonised because of their dress size?

13

Anna,

Glasgow 12/02/2007 13:11:50

It seems to be inevitable that whenever this topic is discussed, some people talk about it as if it were a choice between models being emaciated or "fat". And some daft bloke always throws in that ridiculous argument that women who disagree with stick-thin models are doing so out of jealousy.

I know being overweight isn't healthy and that we shouldn't be promoting it, but I'm sorry, there is NO WAY that girls who are a size 10 should be thinking they are too fat. Not long ago, a size 10 was regarded as an ideal, and it was difficult to buy even a size 8 in lots of shops. Now it seems that size 10 models and actresses are being told to lose weight! This is what I find ridiculous.

I don't believe models should be size 16 just because it is the size of the average woman, but neither should they be size 4 or 6. What on earth is wrong with this world when size 10 is suddenly regarded as too big?

14

Mrs Numpty,

Sussex 12/02/2007 14:03:24

Please don't forget short larger women have difficulty in finding fashionable clothes

15

AJ,

Fife 12/02/2007 14:08:43

Canky,

How about a daytime chat show, you could dae that nae bother!!!

Yer posts above, which destroyed Media Wan, were the most informative, erudite, succinct and eloquent comments yet to appear in the history of Scotsman message boards! You nailed the issue!!

You're no that Lorraine Kelly...are you?

16

Swilly Tisher,

Loch Maree 12/02/2007 14:42:34

The skinny models who disgrace our catwalks should be made to help clear the great Cadbury chocolate recall.

17

Lanna,

12/02/2007 14:54:56

Hi Horrible #9, Agree with AJ, Excellent post!!!

18

AJ,

Fife 12/02/2007 15:13:36

Hi Lanna,

How's sunny California today? Have you got tickets for the Oscars yet? Will you be wearing something off the peg, or a creation as worn by one of these wee model lassies?

19

Lanna,

12/02/2007 15:36:06

Hi AJ, well, it's sunny!! ;) Did rain a bit the other day, but ya'll would probably say, ah that wis nothin!

Can't be bothered with the Oscars AJ, and forget those silly fashion models, it's flannel shirts for the ranch or California casual!!

20

AJ,

Fife 12/02/2007 15:39:27

Lanna,

Have you ever fallen aff yer horse?

Do you wear chaps and spurs?

How about pistol whipping pesky varmints?

21

Lanna,

12/02/2007 15:48:58

AJ, now you know what I wear when I ride ma horse...and, remember, I only wear ma spurs when the critter is particularly ornery! ;)

Pistol whippin, nah, but there's nothin like a confident female, esp one who doesn't bother with this fashion slave unhealthy thin nonsense

22

AJ,

Fife 12/02/2007 15:57:17

Lanna,

Fanatastic Lanna, my imagination is now running riot!!

But the chaffing must be hell!!:))

23

Media 1,

cape town 12/02/2007 15:58:56

So you people who agree that skinny models should not be used are basically saying that skinny is wrong?

In otherwards your discriminating against skinny girls because they make you feel fat?

What a shame, get of your ass and do some excercise then. Or maybe stop eating pies, crisps and drinking a gallon of wine a month.

We are humans and we all have varying degress of eye likes and dislikes. If I see a huge cadillac parked next to a sleak looking sexy Ferrari then my senses are immediately drawn to the Ferrari. Its the same with fat and thin, some will like fat and some will like thin, but most will like thin.

What if we begin using heavier models and move toward a time in which FAT is good. Does that mean that employing fat models should be seen as wrong?

Get a life!

24

JG,

Fife 12/02/2007 16:03:15

#25 Media1
No, fat is not good - neither is skeletal and anorexic. Both are extremes. The Michelin Man look is not appealing but neither is the idea that you could count some of these model's ribs across the room. Slim and healthy are good. A woman should have a bit of a shape - looking the same from front as you do from the back is not normal.

25

Joanna,

Cambs, England 12/02/2007 16:10:20

There are a great number of gay male designers and that is one of the main reasons that catwalk models have the figures of teenage boys. No breasts and no hips.

Gay male designers like the androgynous look and they decide what goes on the fashion rails.

26

Lanna,

12/02/2007 16:16:24

Yippee-kay-yea, AJ!! ;)

JG, I agree, slim n' healthy, fit n' trim...healthy eating, healthy amount of exercise...the fashion industry is about making money...and it's a shame girls are starving themselves to look like their 'fashion heroes?' ...did you see the movie "The Devil wears Pravda"?

Hi Joanna, now there's an interesting point!

27

Illusionsaregrander,

12/02/2007 16:19:27

Good job #9. I couldnt agree more. I also want to add that while anorexia may be a mental illness, just generally feeling like you dont measure up to the barrage of extremely beautiful and surgically enhanced women the media presents is not. It is just the natural outcome of women being held to a standard of beauty more unrealistic to that men have been held to in the last century or so.

Advertisers count on this feeling of not being "good enough" to create demand for their products, which of course they claim will make you gorgeous. For those who say that advertising does not affect you, I say you are mistaken. I could only find data on total spending for advertising in a year for the US in 2004, but the sum is outrageous. They pay that because it works.

http://www.itfacts.biz/index.php?id=P2163

And #9 is right, having come close to maximising their ability to milk feminine insecurity for profit, they are happily moving on to the men. Skin care and other "beauty" products for men are one of the hottest markets going in that industry. Lots of men are already running about with gel in their hair, eyebrows waxed, etc., I wonder if as #9 says man-orexia is next.

28

AJ,

Fife 12/02/2007 16:22:39

Aw no Joanna, you're opening the can o' worms...big time!!!

29

Media 1,

cape town 12/02/2007 16:24:49

NO WOMAN is forced to look like the girls in the beauty magazines.

If a beauty magazine makes you feel fat then dont BUY the facking thing.

For goodness sake, get a bloody life.

30

Media 1,

cape town 12/02/2007 16:38:43

#32 Horrible Cankers: Ok so your only concern is the health of the models.

Why did you not say so?

31

AJ,

Fife 12/02/2007 16:44:13

Hoo aboot Kirsty Wark? Canky, ir ye Kirsty Wark?

32

JG,

Fife 12/02/2007 16:48:10

#35 AJ
Be serious - could you REALLY see HC going on holiday wi' Jack McConnell? REALLY?

33

AJ,

Fife 12/02/2007 16:54:24

JG,

Aye, you're right! That was way aff the mark!

HC is some one famous though, I can feel it in ma water!!

How about Rab C's wife - Elaine C Smith!!!!????

34

busybee,

USA 12/02/2007 16:54:45

It's not a great feeling to see 12 year old girls stop eating because they think they're too fat when they're just going through puberty.
I think this could be a very positive thing. There may be a few exceptions, but if it helps out the mindset of our children, all for the better than.

35

AJ,

Fife 12/02/2007 17:05:12

Kirsty Gallagher?

36

Media 1,

cape town 12/02/2007 17:07:58

#39 Horrible: I have no need to get worked up, the beauty magazines offer me the eye candy I and most other men like. Gorgeous women with stunning bodies. On the occassion in which exceptionally skinny lassies are depicted wearing new creations then the creation is the centre piece NOT the girl. Deal with it, its called art.

If your feeling fat then lay off the pies girlie...

37

Lanna,

12/02/2007 17:08:21

Scaramouche...song please!

AJ, agree with ya, HC is someone very talented, and no doubt famous

HC, nope no Stetson; aye yeh, Vaseline a'fore, or Cloverine Salve eftir.... :)

#29 Illusions, I think the term for this new man is...Metrosexual. Right about the adverts affecting us, esp impressionable children/teens

38

AJ,

Fife 12/02/2007 17:10:04

OK HC, am kind of gled! You're like a blank canvas to work on!;)

Elaine C Smith is 33.

39

Joanna,

Cambs, England 12/02/2007 17:18:38

"Elaine C Smith is 33."


AJ..... getaway.......... more like 53!

Media 1 ..... glad to hear that you prefer the 'glamour' models to the catwalk ones. I was starting to wonder if you were into the teenboy look favoured by so many of the male designers.

40

Illusionsaregrander,

12/02/2007 17:27:36

#32 No chance of Media1 having an already slim daughter. That would mean that he had found a woman willing to sleep with him, surely the self esteem of women hasnt degraded that much, has it?

41

The 'Menace',

Edinburgh... 13/02/2007 20:02:54

,,'Gaun!!' Horrible,,,Good 4 you,Hen..rattle Yer
cage,n,tell them..Aw the Glesga' mob'll back
Ye-up,Honey!!,mind ye' the Scotsman?? no a loat o' folk,n,there read it..,n,noo! Lobby Dosser's no-in
the Record...Whit they readin!!,,Staun'-up Love!


 

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