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Published Date: 15 June 2009
DOCTORS are set to grill 100,000 Lothians patients over the next two years on drinking habits – in order to meet targets on counselling alcoholics.
GPs will be told to ask a range of patients about how much they drink as part of routine surgery visits, as NHS Lothian is expected to find 24,000 people to be subjected to "interventions" in two years' time – ten times the number currently receiving
counselling.

It is understood that anyone who attends for a GP appointment displaying some health concerns – such as weight gain – which could be attributed to alcohol, even as a secondary cause, will be quizzed.

The proposals were welcomed today by alcohol charities, but politicians and patients' representatives have warned that "interrogating" or pressurising patients could drive them away.

Conservative health spokeswoman, MSP Mary Scanlon, said: "There are many ways of tackling the high level of alcohol consumption in Scotland, but I think to put the onus on a doctor to interrogate patients is not the right way forward.

If patients were to get nagged or interrogated every time they went to the doctor, that may actually have the opposite effect."

Margaret Watt, chairwoman of Scotland Patients Association, said the move is on the "right track", but added: "Patients have their human rights and it's up to the patients whether they want to answer the questions."

Health chiefs said they were recruiting for a health promotion specialist to oversee the interventions while a training programme for nurses is being developed.

As part of NHS Scotland goals, it is then hoped beyond 2011 around 12,000 people a year will be subject to the voluntary measures – which initially includes one-to-one counselling but can then move into stricter treatments if necessary.

Tom Gard, a spokesman for UK Advocates, a lobbying group on how to deal with the alcohol problem, said screening should be the first of many steps the Scottish Government takes.

"Anything like this is welcome but it has to be followed up properly," he said. "If someone's dependency on alcohol is causing them real problems then treatment has to begin immediately and the true level can only be discovered by a liver test."

NHS Lothian board members were told: "We are currently on target to achieve 2,359 brief interventions in 2008-9."

Reams of statistics lay bare Lothian's battle with alcohol. More than 100 cases of alcohol poisoning every month are treated at the area's hospitals, while children as young as 12 are being given counselling for alcoholism. In all, the alcohol abuse problem costs NHS Lothian £6.3 million a year.

Conservative councillor Alastair Paisley, who sits on the city's licensing board, said: "Perhaps those who do have a problem will be a bit hesitant and embarrassed, but generally speaking testing is good."





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  • Last Updated: 15 June 2009 9:26 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Alcohol & binge drinking
 
1

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 15/06/2009 12:39:16
More nanny state rubbish
2

Ecto,

15/06/2009 12:50:58
The proposals were welcomed today by alcohol charities, but politicians and patients' representatives have warned that "interrogating" or pressurising patients could drive them away.
Make your mind up either its good or it's not good!! Anything that reduces binge drinking is worth while doing.
3

Big bob 79,

15/06/2009 13:00:21
GP practices have been recording patients alcohol consumption for years, nothing new here.
Why not report the fact that the government now pay out cash for GP surgies to record everyones ethnic catagory?
what this has to do with our health?
4

alfonsa pedrosa,

embra 15/06/2009 13:36:26
If they come to see me they better have a carry out.
5

Mince Pie Supper,

15/06/2009 14:52:24
Getting a grilling at the Doctors, it's enough to drive you to drink.
6

Fi,

Edinburgh 15/06/2009 15:02:34
#3 Your racial origin has a lot to do with your health. Rates of some diseses, eg diabetes, are higher in some ethnicities than in others.

So keeping track of this means that GPs can target tests, advice and check ups for these diseases at the patients most likely to be affected.

By monitoring and treating diseases early, it takes pressure off the NHS by reducing accute illness and admissions to hospital.
7

totally indecent,

15/06/2009 15:09:07
Utter b0llocks. You are lucky if your GP can keep track of what day it is.
8

reincarnated,

Edinburgh 15/06/2009 16:18:21
True conversation with a doc (female) during a company medical examination last week :-

Doc " What exercise do you take?"
Me " Not a lot nowadays, although I do play a round of golf twice a week"
Doc " You really should try and get some regular exrecise"
Me "Well its just the golf nowadays"
Doc "Maybe you should try, say, swimming or perahaps a good walk"
Me "I play golf twice a week"
Doc "Now I'm sure that you could find the time to leave the car and perhaps walk to work or to the suoerkarket?"
Me "OK I'll take a walk".

9

Teofilio Cubillas,

15/06/2009 16:42:12
#6 Correct about racial origin. A large number of home-bred white Scots are malingering wasters, pandered to in their idleness by gullible or disinterested GP's who hand out sick lines like confetti.
10

Snails dont like curry and chips,

Edinburgh 15/06/2009 19:38:30
A gross intrusion on civil liberties - any doctor that asks me these questions will be told to take a hike!
11

Voldemort,

Edinburgh 15/06/2009 21:04:54
Why is there a Target ?

Surely just giving councilling to those that need or want it is the way forward ?

I suppose that would be far to much like common sense for our control freak government ! I mean if the councilling unit isn't naturally busy enough they might have to fire some the over paid 'pensioned up' bloated office workers that administer such schemes - god forbid they may even save some taxpayers money !!
12

loosehead,

Edinburgh 15/06/2009 21:25:06
Reminds me of the old adage that you`ve got an alcohol problem if you drink more than your doctor.
13

One-man-bucket's older twin,

15/06/2009 21:37:15
Given state intrusions into our privacy, and the implications of employers and insurance companies getting access to our medical records, anybody who admits drinking a lot to their doctor is asking for trouble.

If you're asked, just say no!
14

JC1,

Glasgow 15/06/2009 23:17:17
#6 Fi -that would be a good idea if the aim was to target certain ethnic groups for health interventions. Unfortunately, this is just a paper exercise to keep the statistocrats happy, and is flawed because the definition of ethnic group is 'what the patient identifies themself as' so I could legitimately identify myself as a Mexican under this scheme
15

The real dracula,

15/06/2009 23:34:18
What some of you dont get is that there a lot of conditions where hidden alcohol is the reason.

Many cases of depression , stomach complaints , headaches , nausea, stomach and back pains , frquent falls are just a few I can think of. The Dr isnt gonna give you a full blown telling off but they wil be able to understand whats wrong with you.

There are many patients who say they dont drink much alcohol however there is one part of their liver function test that tells us otherwise , their GGT. People are better just to admit it and try the reducing treatment that might be suggested.

Depression is badly affected by increased alcohol. as many of you know alcohol is a depressant.

Yes people will be advised to stop or cut down but its not the nanny state , the only person it really affects is the person with the ill health !!!!!
16

Janie,

porty 16/06/2009 00:20:17
12* thats hilarious but true! i mind going to the doc with stomach probs and he prescribed some meds...he even said you 'can drink a bottle of wine on top of them, they are brill' LOL
17

The real dracula,

16/06/2009 08:30:03
So the ones who attend the Dr asking for their HELP think they shouldnt be asked about alcohol , even tho it plays a big part in a lot of symptoms. How then is Dr supposed to make you better ?? Your alcohol excess doesnt affect the DR it affects YOU.

You dont have to be an alcoholic for alcohol to make you unwell. And as I said before if you lie it can be picked up with a liver function test on your blood , how embarassing is that if you are caught lying.

And whether Drs themselves drink too much is neither here nore there. They are individuals in their own right and its nothing to do with you . The Dr isnt coming to you to ask for help to make them better therefor you have no right judging them.
18

Big bob 79,

16/06/2009 10:40:30
#14 completely correct, the data is NOT used within doctors surgies its just plugged in to get the payment.

#11 Why is there a Target ?
Simple since 2003 the goverment pays GP practices against targets they set. Gone are the days a doctor was payed by the amount of people on his list. Now its how many blood test and blood pressures are taken, or recording an ethnic status....
This is why when you see a doctor for the first time in a while, he/she will take your BP, height, weight, smoking status, and alochol intake
This may benifit you BUT in reality its ticking a boxes so they get paid!....




 

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