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Published Date: 15 June 2009
TALEBAN fighters have no choice but to hide among civilians while they fight foreign troops in Afghanistan and accept their families may become victims of their holy war, a Taleban commander has said.
Mullah Mahmoud, a Taleban commander in the Golestan district of Farah province, also said most Taleban fighters in Afghanistan were foreigners. He said 60 per cent were from Saudi Arabia, Pakistan's Punjab region and other countries.

US and Nato-
led forces have accused Taleban insurgents of hiding in Afghan homes in an attempt to increase the number of civilian casualties caused by air strikes by foreign forces.

"There is truth in this to some extent, but what can Talebs do? Should they just let themselves be killed by Americans?" Mahmoud said.

"When Talebs are part of that community and live amongst the people, when the Americans arrive, they have to go the house where their brother is, where their family is, so when (Americans] come to our house to kill us, they will kill our families, too."

A teacher in the time of the Taleban government, Mahmoud said he joined the austere Sunni Islamist movement six years ago.

"After the Afghan government was installed, I was compelled to join the Taleban because of its treatment of the people," he said.

Golestan is adjacent to Bala Boluk province, where Afghan officials say a US air strike in early May killed 140 civilians. The US military says between 20 and 35 civilians were among 80-95 killed and that the Taleban had deliberately hidden among local villagers.

"When the air strikes came, we did not feel pain because we know that when we start jihad we have to accept that our women, our daughters and children, may be killed in the fight," Mahmoud said.

"The situation in Farah is getting worse, in some districts the insecurity is so bad that Americans cannot move on the ground."

US and Afghan military officers have in the past accused Iran of supporting or arming the Taleban in the west, but Mahmoud denied the claims.

"So far, Saudi Arabia and Sunnis only help us," he said.



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  • Last Updated: 14 June 2009 9:48 PM
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2dogs in D.C.,

15/06/2009 00:45:55
But,our boys aren't hiding behind civvies.
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2dogs in D.C.,

15/06/2009 00:46:37
P.S.-Has your son deployed yet?
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Finlang,

Hong Kong 15/06/2009 03:17:40
Taleban "fighters" are nothing more than dictatorial bullying scum with no regard for their fellow human beings, ethnically equivalent or not. Their hijacking of what is anyway a religious nutterdom philosophy cannot possibly justiify indiscriminate killing of, and filthy treatment of, the worst sort. They are sick cowards and religious bullies. The dregs of humanity.
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Jim A,

15/06/2009 04:03:46
#1 Five, Hey China has no business having naval bases on the Spratly Islands, but they do, Mischief Reef is one of the bases. Eleven Bases at the last count. Oh and lets not forget the Radar site and listening post on Cuba manned by Chinese Military. How about the the naval base on Coco Island close to the Indian Navy's base on ther Andaman Islands. All a long long way from China.
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Finlang,

Hong Kong 15/06/2009 04:13:01
#7/8/10 (one and the same)

Same dreadful idiot who would qualify death and destruction as nice, as long as it wasn't on his doorstep. Same vile difference. Thanks Jim A #9 who sees the idiot.
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Finlang,

Hong Kong 15/06/2009 04:57:12
#13/14 sickman of 1000 IDs

"I think you need to see a physician in the near future or take some Valium."

The kind of puerile mind that writes that kind of filth is a serious case for treatment. Infantility in sore need of medical attention. But we all know who you are, Mr Sick Western-hater. What a sad sack you are. My life in China consists of joy and intellectual pleasure. A million miles from your bile-laden infantile sh?t, as also at #14. What a sorry sad hate-filled life you must lead.

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Jim A,

15/06/2009 05:30:09
#17 Five, who's dragging it off topic? your the one who came out with a statement saying the the US had no business there, kinda hypocritical for a country that has military personell outside of it's own borders while you assure us here that China stays at home and minds it's own business. Yeah right

As to the story it's self,it doesn't surprise me. I always knew the Taleban were a bunch of cowards hiding behind civvies, as DoubleDog, the Yanks aren't doing it, nor the Brits.

As for the Israel'Palestine debate, hey kick it off mate, I'll discuss it with you.

Way I see it is, your the one wants to get of topic because you don't want your beloved China held up to too close a scrutiny.
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Road Warrior,

15/06/2009 05:40:12
Why don't we all leave these fools to their own devices? Let them kill each other if they want. Who cares?

#16 Finlang
Can you please take your vile nasty remarks and post them somewhere else. I'm surprised the editorial staff here allow you to continue posting this filth.
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Jim A,

15/06/2009 05:43:29
Damn I answered your post #14 but the damn thing didn't post. Ok you asked for some Links.

Google earth is a good one, shows the bases up nice and clear, also take a look at this.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/war/spratly.htm

I don't suppose it has anything to do with the 7 Billion barrels of oil that geologists say lays in the area, a figure that could go as high as 20 Billion barrels.

Not to mention that strategically naval and marine forces on the Spratleys could deny access to the South China Sea not to mention being able to attack US allies in the area, such as Brunei, the Philippines and Thialand. China has already started throwing it's weight around in the region.
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Jim A,

15/06/2009 05:56:16
#19 Five "Nobody here is arguing that the Taleban are a bunch of cowards, but they're no worse cowards than your lot, in fact they are much braver"

Our lot aren't hiding behind civvies. first you say no one is arguing the fact they are cowards then you go on to say how braver they are, Posty, what a load of rubbish.

"it's no sicker than what your lot has done to both Iraq or Afghanistan, the way you're wiping out innocent civilians by the hundreds of thousands."

Posty, we ain't the ones walking into market places or places of worship with a bomb strapped on. where do you get the "you're wiping out innocent civilians by the hundreds of thousands."

You make it sound like guys are walking around committing indiscriminate murder everyday, that ain't happening and you know it. It's just more of your anti western stuff.

As for the Israel/Palestine thing, hey don't tell me what I did or didn't do, lets get on and debate it.

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Jim A,

15/06/2009 06:06:59
#22 Five, the Spratleys are nearly a thousand miles from China, so don't be telling us China stays at home.

As for the Falklands, yep I was there, don't remember any slaughter though, infact if I remember correctly the Argentine soldiers were the ones who gunned down a helicopter crew after they were shot down and were wading to the shore.

I also remember and witnessed their troops raising a white flag during the battle of Goose Green and then gunning down a couple of our guys who went forward to take them prisoner.

You have the gall to talk to me in the past about imperialism while China is on the March in the East and also in Africa and South America, of course your just making friends, it has nothing to do with natural resources of those countries.

China is no better than any other country on this planet, you'll rob those countries blind and when the natural resources are gone you'll discard them like so much waste.

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Jim A,

15/06/2009 06:10:48
Anyway, it's time for work now Posty so I have to leave. Anytime you want to debate the Israel /Palestine question lets have at it. Just name the time and place.
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Jim A,

15/06/2009 06:18:57
#25 Five, "So what do you call that shock and awe little demonstration then eh,"

What demonstration, what on earth are you talking about now.

"What do you call those unmanned drones indiscriminately wiping out anything and everything in their path, next thing I know you're gonna tell me that they are 100% effective and accurate and only kill the militants."

Posty drones aren't just used for attacking enemy forces for goddness sake.

Hey it shows were you stand though Posty, you think it's brave and right to hide behind civvies.

Hey I don't give a damn about what I said in the past. You want to debate it bring it on. Time and place please.

If you want to waste your time looking for a past post to score points with go ahead, it's no skin of my nose. But if you want to debate then debate. You keep avoiding any debate. I'm here, just tell me when and where you want to debate.

Ok I'm off, bye for now.
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VAR,

Zavelstein 15/06/2009 06:26:37
The Taleban were never the legal government of Aghanistan, the Northern Alliance was recognized by the UN (only Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and the UAE recognized the Taleban extremists). The Taleban leader cited just repeated their view that killing innocents is okay, even their own children. Had they turned over the Al-Qaeda culprits of SEP11 as the US asked, they would still be in power. BTW, China is a member of the Global War on Terror Coalition, and is pursuing their own version of the Taleban, the Uigurs of Eastern Turkestan. Of course the Chinese are much more humane, just executing them instead of depriving them of sleep as the "evil US" interrogators in GITMO do.
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VAR,

Zavelstein 15/06/2009 06:36:27
The increased military and economic cooperation between China and neighboring states has resulted in the repatriation and execution of Uighur activists who fled to those countries to escape Chinese persecution.

Oh, web links to support the above assertion that China is in the GWOT with the US/UK/NATO, etc:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_on_Terrorism
http://www.allacademic.com//meta/p_mla_apa_research_citation/2/5/2/9/0/pages252903/p252903-8.php
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/IH16Ad06.html
http://nus.edu.sg/NUSinfo/EAI/BB446.pdf
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Kenny A,

15/06/2009 07:10:38
I was disturbed but not surprised by this article. To put things in perspective the West should not be in Iraq or Afganistan in my view, the fact the West is I feel, is down to a mixture of finishing of what G.Bush Senior failed to do first time, Oil of course and some ill thought out plans to help the Afghans and destroy the poppys while setting up a strategic stronghold against both the former USSR and China. An ill fated idea if ever there was.

The Taleban should just be glad "Mad Mitch", and his ilk are no longer in action as this tactic would not get far. I am not in favour of civilians becoming casualties as it is wrong in the extreme and while serving many moons ago saw a bit to much of it.

The bottom line however is human shields only last for so long, either the shield gets fed up and bites back or they get killed, when in this case Uncle Sam drops something big that goes bang on their heads, a sad situation for innocents.

I am surprised at the fairly massive American style approach is still being adopted. IT DOES NOT WORK. A move towards smaller target forces is long overdue, a good example is the conflict in the Yemen, similar terrain, similar people to an extent, that worked.
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15/06/2009 07:18:22
31 Five Alive,

Cant argue with your points except the stay at home bit. China is a fair bit expansionist, all know about Tibet, but few about Akachi Chin in India, (occupied), demands for control of Arunatchal Pradesh (India) and never part of China. Taiwan, got mixed views on that but as the original Formosans are basicaly extinct its an open issue.

One thing for sure China settles matters it wants quickly but perhaps not always correctly. Worked both for and with Chinese for a fair while so that is my humble viewpoint based on experience.
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Kenny A,

15/06/2009 07:33:30
34 Five Alive

It was no accidental war, it could have been avoided but Thatcher needed something to keep her in power.

Also to be remembered is the population are British and the Falklands have never to my knowledge been part of Argentina. Now Argentina itself is basicaly composed of Spanish, Italians, and assorted Europeans with few "native", populations left.

The fact the Falklands are closer to Argentina than the UK is immaterial. When in the Falklands I got a very strong impression the locals did not want to become Argentinian but just wanted the status quo to remain.

As an ex- service man I take exception about the slaughtering comment, it is not justified, rules of engagement have always been strict. China is not seen as peacefull at all sorry to say.
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Media at One,

15/06/2009 07:39:41
It is the same thing in America -
They create war and then tell the families of the soldiers that their kids could be killed on the basis that power is important.
Then when the kid gets killed they send a few men to the door, they offer false hugs and facsimilie letter from the President and then leave to get on with their lives whilst the family of the deceased must endure a life of pain.
And then tomorrow the men in glasses visit another 40 homes and embrace devastated mothers.
And then there are the kids on the enemy side of the line who get killed, but hey, that is collateral damage so no need to worry!
Terrorism, it comes in all shapes and sizes.
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Kenny A,

15/06/2009 07:47:38
6 Media 1

A good post, the only thing I could add is the job of going to the door is very hard. I am Scottish and we had to approach with our hat under the arm, the families knew the news before they opened the door.

Perhaps not all the hugs are false as when you see a family you have known for years how can they be.

America, I do not know their protocols.
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oder,

Scotland 15/06/2009 08:49:43
Night Watch,Helmsman

"I think it's safe to assume that Elderberry and Finland are the same person with the same hatred."

you`ve got room to talk? jock H Republic of Scotland!
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Cisco Kid,

15/06/2009 15:55:15
It looks like the Taleban are now upsetting everyone. I suppose their next target will be the Pakistani President. Their chances of success there are very slim.
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mike - across the pond,

hey posty... 15/06/2009 18:12:05
so your chinese troops go nowhere uninvited?

care to comment on Bhutan?
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Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 15/06/2009 21:01:09
Whitecaps in #15: you said that anyone who defended the Taliban was sick in the head. The history is that US CIA and Pakistani ISI together created the Taliban in the late 1970's. Prior to that there was a preceding Islamist group in Afghanistan that also received US aid. US money flowed to the Taliban from 1979 until when the last installment of US taxpayer money was given to them in August of 2001. By mid-October of 2001 we'd overthrown them.

I'm sure there was black covert money given to them, but much of the aid money was approved by the US Congress.

Are you saying that my country is sick in the head?
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Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 15/06/2009 21:18:23
Finlang and others: I think there's a fundamental mis-understanding among some posters. You see the Taliban are not coming to America and bombing American soldiers who are at home with their families. It is the other way around. US military kills them and their families in their homes. In many instances 90-100% of the people who die in these attacks are non-combatants. They don't do it to us. We do it to them.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article6493665.ece

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/may/28/british-pilots-afghanistan-thermobaric-weapons

http://www.pulitzercenter.org/openitem.cfm?id=1523

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/22/20090508/twl-uk-afghanistan-phosphorus-exclusive-bd5ae06.html

http://news.scotsman.com/world/Italians-kill-girl-12-.5230948.jp

http://www.scotsman.com/world/Fifty--civilians-killed-.5237234.jp

http://www.presstv.com/detail.aspx?id=75528§ionid=351020403

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008-11/06/content_10313627.htm

http://www.the-peoples-forum.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=6517

http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?c=Article_C&cid=1225200841100&pagename=Zone-English-News/NWELayout

http://www.counterpunch.org/cloughley10222008.html

The US has also paid Pakistan to attack its own people. There are 2.5 million people who have fled their homes over this. Is there ever a time when the pro-war westerners on this page will stop and consider whether all this killing is justified or if the entire effort is not a positive thing?



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Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 15/06/2009 21:33:19
When I was a child I witnessed it when US military informs a wife of her husband's death. I lived in a community where 100% of the homes were occupied by wives & children of US servicemen in the vietnam conflict. I witnessed an olive green US Army sedan with 2 NCO's in it dressed in their office uniforms and driving at 5mph. I followed them. I saw them go to the door. The woman cried as soon as she answered it. They went inside and finally came out 20 minutes later. The woman ran across the street to her friend's house who was my friend's mom. She cried and cried.
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Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 15/06/2009 21:43:54
I wish I could see Five Alive's posts. They're all deleted.

He seems to have created controversy by saying that China's military stays home compared to the US. He's right, there is a world of difference between the US and china in that the US sends troops and intelligence operatives too all over the world. Panama, Haiti, Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, Serbia - each one of those countries was attacked in a completely unprovoked manner by the US just since 1989 and in each country the ruling regime was overturned except in Serbia where we merely took about one third of their country from them after killing 2,500 people mostly civilians for no reason whatsoever. The US has troops in over 70 countries. By comparison China has only a very small number of troops outside of China and they are not generally doing anything. Anyone who can't agree with this is a person who does not recognize reality.
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Flash Gordon,

Everywhere 16/06/2009 04:00:59
#15 Whitecaps
Wally is in fact correct to point out that the USA (CIA) and Pakistani together created the Taliban in the late 1970's. You need to go back to school and study your history.
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Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 16/06/2009 04:29:31
Thank you Flash in 52 for that.

Contrary to Rosie's Opinion to criticize the government is not anti-American. the government that fails to represents our interests & values is anti-American instead.
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Wally,

Psalm 137 (USA) 16/06/2009 04:48:23
Like a watchman on the wall I look and see and warn my fellow Americans, it is not my responsibility that they do not heed my call.

During the revolution we had 'liberty trees' where news was posted in the forest on very large old trees. The people would travel in the forest and read this news. Though the newspapers in the cities were occupied the news still got printed & spread. Rural newspapers printed what they could and it spread via a network with very little money involved. The people looked for the news from such word-of-mouth networks fed by the Liberty Trees' postings. Today by contrast everybody plugs their minds into the mass media and thus is unable to get news from outside that source. They don't represent us, but someone else. That is why I take my tag-line from Psalm 137.

Six large corporations own virtually the entire mass media of the US. The Americans are foolish to presume that these 6 corps are sympathetic to them. They own the mass media because they bought it. The laws were changed to allow a near-monopoly to be concentrated in so few hands.

I also think the special delusion we have as a people is described in 2'nd Thessalonians chapter 2 verse 11. I don't like to say these things. Psalm 137 does not describe happiness. Delusions are lies and of the enemy. However, jesus said in Matthew 24 that though these things must come to pass, we should see that it not trouble us.

To my fellow Americans I caution that ‘pride goeth before the fall and a haughty spirit before destruction’. That is in proverbs of course. We should not think so highly of ourselves. And we should know that our nation will be knocked down as we are not having a good influence in this modern era on this world. Listen to the prophecies that tell us that god will listen to the cries of the poor. When those cries reach a certain level god will release the plans made at the beginning for the end of this era of the nations. The poor today are under g
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Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 16/06/2009 04:49:37
The poor today are under great persecution in places like Cairo, Indonesia, Phillipines, Bengladesh, India, Thailand and many other places. The time will come when there will be action taken on their behalf. At that time the greatest trouble ever seen in history will come to the earth. We should be humble and wait for that time. Unfortunately, it is foolish and arrogant to even think that we will stop this beast ruling today by democracy type actions. Not in the cards friends.
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Brunette,

16/06/2009 05:50:05
All these families becoming victims in this fruitless war where no one wins.

 

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