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Battle for Afghanistan 'close to being lost' says Ashdown



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LORD Ashdown today warned the international community was "pretty close" to losing its battle for Afghanistan.
The peer, whose candidacy to be UN envoy to Afghanistan was blocked by Afghan president Hamid Karzai, said more needed to be done by the Nato-led alliance.

His warning came as Prime Minister Gordon Brown flew to Bucharest in Romania today for Nato's biggest summit – urging more countries to send fighting troops to Afghanistan and facing a row over the alliance's expansion to the east.

Both Mr Brown and US President George Bush are keen for more of the 26 Nato members to send combat troops and provide additional support in the battle against the Taliban.

Lord Ashdown warned: "I'm not saying for a moment that we have lost in Afghanistan.

"I am, however, saying that we are getting pretty close to it.

"What we really need here is a clear international strategy."





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  • Last Updated: 02 April 2008 1:31 PM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Afghanistan
 
1

yockel,

02/04/2008 19:16:46
Presumably a clear international strategy will need a clear reason for being there.
2

Neanderthal75,

Rocky Mountains USA 02/04/2008 21:11:03
Hello Yockel,

I take it that you've heard of a little group called the Taliban? Perhaps you've heard of how they ran the country? Did you hear about how they provided a safe haven for Al Qaeda and allowed that group to use the country as a base for attacking the USA, and thereafter as a conduit for travel between Pakistan and Afghanistan?

Perhaps you've forgotten 07-07-05? Al Qaeda helped recruit and radicalize the young British Men who carried out that operation.

The Taliban is not yet destroyed, so unless you want more Underground bombings, more attacks at Glasgow Airport, and more Madrid Train bombings, we (the West) must defeat/destroy the Taliban, so that we can concentrate on destroying Al Qaeda.

Whether you're willing to admit it or not, whether you try and make nice or not, the Jihadists are determined to carry out the command of the Prophet Muhammad, to conquer the entire world (through violence, treachery, economic blackmail, etc., whatever it takes) for Islam.

It doesn't matter if you want to believe that fact or not Yockel: 'good and faithful' Muslims believe it, because they can read it in the Noble Quran and the Hadith (both of which are the Sunna, the holy writ of Islam).

I'm here to tell you that it matters not one bit to good and faithful Muslims, whether I'm an Independent Conservative or you're a Moderate,Liberal, Socialist, or Rad Left Anarchist, to THEM we are the SAME.

The sooner you understand that fact, the sooner you'll get a handle on the serious problem we are facing.

Cheers from the Rockies
3

CombatVet68,

New Babylon 02/04/2008 21:54:55
#2 Neanderthal75

Your point is well taken and I concurr with you on most of your argument. However, men have no heart for war, at least not in the west.

The focus of power is presently in the western nations, led by the United States. However, in a short time, the power will shift to the Russian and Arab nations. The middle east conflict will continue to boil over, affecting everyone. The western civilization does not have the heart nor the resolve to fight evil men. When they pull back, they will be decimated.

Russia and it's Arab allies will amass a great and horrible army with the intent of destroying Israel and capturing the wealth of oil and other minerals in this region. The United States will not be a factor in dealing with this onslaught, quite possibly because it too will be decimated.

After the slaughter of these invading troops, the power will dramatically shift to Europe. Approximately 85% of the armies of Gog and Magog will be utterly destroyed. At this point in time, the stage will be set for the appearance of the Anti-Christ and his false prophet.
4

American,

02/04/2008 22:56:13
#3-combat-"western civilization does not have the heart nor the resolve to fight evil men"--Only the liberals in western civilization dont have the heart or resolve to fight evil men (I do believe osama said the same thing).
5

The Pict.,

03/04/2008 03:38:32
# 3 the usual garbage from the born again evangelicals.
There is no God or Magog. Revelations is utter nonsense that no one in his right mind would give a tuppeny d..n about. Perhaps you can explain why your jewish bible calls for the destruction of Israel? Come on let's hear it combatvet. Tell us about YOUR armageddon.
6

Neanderthal75,

Rocky Mountains USA 03/04/2008 06:46:59
Hello Pict,

Your ignorance abounds sir. The OT is rife with prophecies, and anyone with an open mind can confirm that many have been proven to have come true.

I doubt that'll make any headway with you; you'd rather hate instead of have and open mind and actually ask questions.

A pity really, you're placing yourself in the role of a Neo-Brown Shirt, rather than a man of intelligence and inquiry.

Cheers from the Rockies
7

Biker,

Ayr 03/04/2008 13:20:58
Neanderthal. I read your post with incredulity. Who armed the Taliban in the first place. The US. Tjhe same US who were happy to be pals with Bin Liner when he was fighting the Russians in the area. If the Russians could'nt accomplish the task, what makes you think that the coalition can? Besides where is the proof that Bin Liner was supported by the Taliban, as I remember most of that was conjecture by the CIA and MFI. Can you point me to a link please?
Combat Vet. Not sure that I agree wholeheartedly with your sentiments anout not having the heart for fighting. Most people would fight tooth and nail for what they believe in, that does not include illeagal wars driven by egotistical maniacs. That also includes the UK by the way.
8

Neanderthal75,

Rocky Mountains USA 03/04/2008 20:36:19
Hello Biker,

Tell me something, were you asleep during your education or did you merely not go to school?

Have you never read Bismarck, Clausewitz, Caesar, or an any extant authors, such as John Keegan (who writes more a less academic style format)?

Have you never read Churchill (Winston), or any of the hundreds of treatises from those in the know who survived WWII? They include soldiers, airmen, diplomats, politicians, sailors, et al, all of whom were intimately involved in the 'goings on' during that global conflict.

My point is this: in order to hold your point of view enunuciated in post 7, you would have to be either completely ignorant (never having read ANY of the authors mentioned, or the strata of informed authors in the categories mentioned), have been born under a rock, or be wholly imbecilic (ie, a member of the Rad Left, Social Progressives, or Politically Correct Crowd).

Geo-Politics are NOT static, just as nations make decisions according to Realpolitik, not from a 'wish list' of the Rad Left and other mindless Theorists.

Decisions which are made in one decade and which make perfect temporal sense, make no sense at all a decade or two later. Why? Because politics, leaders, and nations, CHANGE. Policies which were once utilized are done away with, laws are changed (which directly affects policies), politicans lose offices once held and their opponents take over-and yes, CHANGE POLICIES.

The changes in one country directly or indirectly affects many other countries.

Did your civics/social studies instructors fail to convey this real world concept to you?

I would urge you to read some of the authors/categories I mentioned above, but I doubt you have the desire to actually learn: your mindset would seem to preclude the ability to modify your views based on new evidence.

If I'm wrong on that count, I'll be a happy camper. Should you actually choose to read some of the listings I've provided, I'll jump for joy (actually, I'll
9

Neanderthal75,

Rocky Mountains USA 03/04/2008 20:37:00
Hello Biker,

If I'm wrong on that count, I'll be a happy camper. Should you actually choose to read some of the listings I've provided, I'll jump for joy (actually, I'll hobble around a little faster than normal, as my body no longer allows me to actually jump without pain).

Cheers from the Rockies

 

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