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Brown sees no need to reduce abortion time limit by month



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Published Date: 26 February 2008
GORDON Brown, the Prime Minister, last night insisted the abortion time limit should not be reduced, putting him directly at odds with David Cameron, the Conservative leader.
Mr Brown spoke out after Mr Cameron called for the time period in which a woman can have a termination to be reduced from 24 weeks, possibly to 20.

MPs will be able to vote by conscience if the issue comes before parliament as part of the Human Fe
rtilisation and Embryology Bill.

It is expected that members will try to reduce the current 24-week limit by tabling an amendment to the proposed legislation, which could provide them with their first opportunity to vote on the issue since 1990.

The Prime Minister's spokesman said Mr Brown had "always made clear that he thinks we should be guided by the best medical advice on this".

He said: "At the moment, the key organisations in the medical profession are not pressing for a review in this area.

"For example, both the British Medical Association and the Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists have said they do not believe there is a case for changing the time limits. The government has no plans to change the law on abortion."

His backing was welcomed by the Pro Choice lobby, who also insisted there was no scientific evidence to suggest the age at which a foetus becomes "viable" had decreased.

Louise Hutchins, campaigns co-ordinator at Abortion Rights, said: "In addition to that, women's needs haven't changed and I think all politicians should be putting women at the centre of the debate and consider their needs."

However, the Pro Life Alliance claimed Mr Brown's view "flies in the face of public opinion on the issue of abortion time limits and also medical opinion".





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  • Last Updated: 25 February 2008 10:10 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Abortion
 
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26/02/2008 00:16:31
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26/02/2008 00:19:10
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lou from niagara,

Niagara Falls, Canada 26/02/2008 00:37:20
I am always astonished that with all the methods of contraception that women still chose abortion in the numbers that they do.
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 26/02/2008 00:42:06
This is chronically..'SICK'

GORDON Brown, has NOT got a clue on this subject!

Its..SICK..Just..SICK!

A Baby at even 20weeks is fully formed, has hands feet, maybe hair, has eyes a head and is alive!

She/He is a being already, mummy would feel them kicking and this Baby is already learning!

Its NO Less than, permitted Murder!

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Roberta Burns,

26/02/2008 01:19:24
20 weeks sounds about right - long enough for the mother to make the decision and the medics to assess her and the foetus' condition.

4# Charles I understand your anger, but it still must be the choice of the mother and the advice of medical professionals that take priority.
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 26/02/2008 01:36:40
Roberta Burns @#7,

Its NOT anger, but complete sadness!
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26/02/2008 01:49:38
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 26/02/2008 01:54:09
Brown the Clown get him out!
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W Smith,

Middle East 26/02/2008 03:11:42
Son of the manse who lectured us on the 'values' that he learned from his parents.

Don't worry folks the muslim terrorists will never face the death penalty in Britain - thanks partly to those won't ever use the word 'innocent' to describe the unborn child.

Any chance of a 'human rights' lawyer defending the rights of the unborn child?

Or are they to busy defending the terrorists at Guatanamo Bay?

The SNP and Lib Dems were supporting the Guatanamo prisoners just weeks ago by protesting outside the US consulate in Edinburgh.

Where are they now?
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Maximus,

Roberton 26/02/2008 08:44:49
#4, and related responses: The problem with tackling arguments against abortion from the point of view of the unborn child being "fully formed" at x weeks, is that you enter into an argument based on when does this cluster of cells become a human being. Linked to that of course is whether or not those children born with disabilities could also be considered to be "fully formed".

I find the strongest argument against abortion to be related to the fact that human development begins from the moment of conception. This is scientific fact.

As such the unborn child, regardless of age has a right to life. As difficult as it may be for the mother to accept - that child is not her body, it is dependent upon it just as it will be following its birth.

Related to this, of course, is the need to support all those involved in bringing up the child. Abortion cannot be seen as a quick fix - sometimes the fix involves many people, lots of time and a lot of love. Is that so hard?

A review is necessary, but I would hope that the starting point is different, otherwise those, like me, who oppose abortion, will continue to be frustrated at the short-sightedness of those in a position of government.
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Miss H,

26/02/2008 09:27:05
Given advances in medical science I think that the limit should be reduced. The problem is that any debate about abortion brings out the fundamentalists. If we could have a rational discussion about reducing the limit within the context of accepting that abortion exists and will continue to exist that would be helpful but I am not holding my breath...
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Miss H,

26/02/2008 09:29:32
3 men have a little something to do with it as well you know!
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 26/02/2008 09:31:46
Maximus @#12,
Totally Agreed.
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Methalions,

26/02/2008 09:35:06
#5 AM2

Agreed
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Maximus,

Roberton 26/02/2008 09:48:40
#13, but why should we accept that abortion should continue to exist? It's a quick fix, with huge consequences that don't appear to be fully appreciated some.

Why not promote a different vision?
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Joanna,

Cambs, England 26/02/2008 11:08:24
I agree with Miss H at 13 - I would like to see the time limit reduced to at least 20 weeks for abortion.

I also agree with those who say that life starts from the moment of conception, however, I think there are situations where abortion should be allowed. I am, however, totally opposed to quick-fix abortions which seem to be used as an exteme form of contraeception.

In an ideal world the suggestion which Maximus @ 12 has put forward would be great... but we do not live in that kind of world. We would end up with even more neglected and abused children than we have already, if we stopped abortion completely. We should be more concerned about the chilren who are already in the 'care' system than those who are unborn. It would be nice to think that all children are born into loving homes but we know that is sadly not the case. Who knows how many more destroyed childhoods we would have had if abortion was not allowed.

Grim old world isn't it?



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A McBay,

Edinburgh 26/02/2008 11:27:23
Perhaps we could lower the rate of abortion if better access to contraception was provided?

I think of last week's intevention by Cardinal O'Connor in sacking the board of a hospital in north London. It had permitted a GP's surgery to move on to the site, and the doctors there, the evil swines that they are, were helping women with family planning. Though it is partly funded by the NHS, St John & St Elizabeth's is a Catholic hospital, which forbids doctors from prescribing contraceptives or referring women for abortions. The cardinal says he wants the hospital to provide medical help that is "truly in the interests of human persons".


Seems to me the Catholic Church wants it all ways - no to contraception, and no to abortion. Time for another Enlightenment, maybe?
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megz,

glasgow 26/02/2008 11:27:53
i actually agree with AM2 for a change, 20 weeks is more than enough time.
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Maximus,

Roberton 26/02/2008 11:32:42
#18 Joanna ... the task is not an easy one. But I cannot see how we can promote a caring society on one hand and yet destroy life on the other.

Surely a caring society will make provision for all children, it will promote life at all stages, we will be there for each other. A simple message.

To think otherwise is to limit the vision, and start to make allowances because we assume some things in life are unavoidable. We always seem to think in a defeatist way - keep fighting for heaven's sake.

I cannot agree that it is a grim world. It is a hard world to live in sometimes but why dent someone the right to see everything that is good in the world and the chance to make it better?



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Joanna,

Cambs, England 26/02/2008 11:43:19
Maximus

I'm not a total cynic and I would love the world to be the way you would like it to be. I don't think it will ever happen though, I seem negative I know but you only have to look at this newspaper today and the article about the Jersey children's home. It has been reported that the abuse and cruelty inflicted on those children may go back 40 years. If the case in Jersey was an isolated one then maybe I would feel differently, but sadly it is not, there have been too many abuses of children in care that we know about. How many have there been that have gone unreported?

Basically what I am trying to say is that I think we need to make the world a better place for abused and neglected children who are alive now, for some of them the world is a very grim place indeed. As far as the time time limit on abortion goes I think it should be lower than 24 weeks but should not be stopped altogether. I really believe that to stop abortion, completely would result in even more abused children and more unwanted children ending up in care.

I do wish your suggestion could work though :)
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Maximus,

Roberton 26/02/2008 14:50:51
#22, Joanna - Me too. Perhaps one day.

I'm glad you think this. I agree that so much needs to be done for children across the world who are living in squalor and who are vulnerable. But I maintain that we cannot support life for one group and destroy it for the other. A culture of life applies to all.

The vision needn't rely on existing support structures. In fact any vision should work from a blank canvas. They need a total re-think.

Again difficult I know, but not impossible.
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A McBay,

Edinburgh 26/02/2008 18:23:08
"I agree that so much needs to be done for children across the world who are living in squalor and who are vulnerable."

Surely we should be preventing the numbers of children born into such deprivation by a more enlightened view of contraception than that currently advocated by some religious groups?

Last September, Maputo Archbishop Francisco Chimoio
accused European condom makers of intentionally trying to spread AIDS in Africa. According to Chimoio, the condoms being sent to Africa are first contaminated with HIV “in order to finish quickly the African people.” It is estimated that one in six people in Mozambique is HIV positive. While the comments have earned attention, ridicule and reprove worldwide, I believe the Vatican has been silent on the subject, failing to publicly reprimand the archbishop or even denounce his accusations.


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Eve,

Scotland 26/02/2008 21:08:31
Brown doesnae appear these days to see the need for much......!

I definitely think the abortion laws should be tieded up.
I would never hold any grudge against any women who decided to have an abortion. In certain circumstances where they is risk to health or rape cases then it highly understandable.

BUT the thing is the unborn baby is alive, a living thing which should be given the right to live. I'm a great believer in fate, if you find your self pregnant then your suppose to have a baby. If the baby is unfortunately miscarried then that life was unfortunately was NOT meant to be. BUT with abortion, your messing up the whole natural protocall of life.
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 26/02/2008 21:26:49
Eve @#25,
Well said.

 

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