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Trump stresses resort's 'national importance'



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Published Date: 08 May 2008
DONALD Trump plans to stand firm on his claim that the "national importance" of the social and economic benefits from the development of his £1 billion golf resort in Aberdeenshire must take precedence over the "adverse" impacts on the environment, it emerged yesterday.
A statement of case, lodged by the Trump organisation in preparation for next month's public inquiry, makes it clear the tycoon has no intention of moving his championship golf course away from the fragile sand dune system at the centre of widespread
opposition to the controversial scheme.

The back nine holes of the course would be built on a third of the Foveran Links, a protected natural heritage area on the Menie estate, designated a site of special scientific interest (SSSI).

But the document also reveals the Trump organisation is willing to enter into an agreement which will cover a contribution to affordable housing, education facilities, community facilities and off-site road improvements, should the scheme be backed by Scottish ministers.

The document states that the Trump organisation backs the conclusion of a report to Aberdeenshire Council by the authority's head of development management and building standards.

The report stated: "The view of development management is this is an occasion where the social and economic benefits are of national importance and these override the adverse environmental impacts."

Mr Trump will be called as his organisation's main witness at the inquiry.

Evidence will also be led on the need to cross-fund the resort from the residential development – which includes a 450-room five-star hotel, 500 residential homes and almost 1,000 timeshare apartments – and to explain "why the golf course cannot be relocated" to avoid the SSSI.





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  • Last Updated: 07 May 2008 10:08 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Donald Trump
 
1

Stepford Nat,

08/05/2008 00:10:30
He wants us sooo bad! And why not, especially with brill Alex in control? Not to mention Red Wensdy in meltdoon.

2

Claire Dunbar,

Edinburgh 08/05/2008 07:57:21
I'm not a fan of Salmond, but I think he did the right thing in this case.

When the oil runs out, what future is their for Aberdeen? We need as much investment as possible.

I think a lot of the anti-Trump sentiment is the usual Scottish bleating and moaning, negativity about anyone who has got off their a**e and done something useful.
3

Slioch,

Scottish Highlands 08/05/2008 08:00:07
So, still no compromise whatsoever concerning the SSSI.

This proposal is basically a hotel and housing complex, in an area where no-one a few years ago would have dreamt of building houses, combined with a golf course that will destroy at least a third of an SSSI.

In a country that valued its heritage, this proposal would stand no chance of being accepted. If in the end the government gives Trump his way, they will have demonstrated Dylan's aphorism: "Money doesn't talk, it swears."
4

Melly,

Sussex 08/05/2008 09:10:29
Widespread opposition? where`s the widespread opposition coming from - a few knuckle draggers and straw chewers.85% of those in the north east are for this developent, where have you been Frank?
5

Arfur,

08/05/2008 10:13:40
Aberdeenshire and Scotland need this development.

People go to Ireland before Scotland now on golfing holidays because they have expensive developments like this. This is the home of golf FFS.

Over 80% of Aberdeenshire want this to go ahead. The only folk that dont are the stone age thinking tree huggers.

6

McGinty,

08/05/2008 10:16:57
Perhaps the people of the North East are in favour of this. I wonder what the opinion polls would say for the people of Scotland as a whole. Perhaps it's just as well that it was called in for a public inquiry. If Trump refused to accept the democratically elected body's decision (albeit questionable one) and refuses to appeal, he's fortunate that it went to Holyrood. However if it's rejected at a national level, my guess is he'll lose all sympathy.
7

Nomada,

08/05/2008 11:26:27
For the information of Arfur #5 and others, those he describes as 'stone age thinking tree huggers' (I assume he refers to those who are concerned about the impact on the SSSI) have no corporate opinion on whether there should be a development at Menie, but rather they object to the development in the form that would destroy the SSSI and other wildlife in contradiction of established national policy.

I imagine that Arfur would include me in the 'stone age thinking tree huggers' (how wrong he would be!) and I can assure him that I don't care if Donald gets to build his Trumptown, as long as it is in line with national and local planning policies. As it stands, the application is not (or not unequivocally) in line with the policies on development on SSSIs. The PLI will determine that and other matters, not the assertions of Melly #4 and others on the support there is in the NE among folk who mostly have not the vaguest clue about the real issues.
8

Guthrie,

Edinburgh 08/05/2008 12:13:29
National importance? Bilge. WE've got loads of golf tourist resorts. They built on at Kinkell Braes by St Andrews, a few years ago. I don't recall hearing it was a roaring success.
9

John Blackley,

Florida 08/05/2008 14:54:56
Instead of yakking on about who's in favour of this and what characteristics are exhibited by those against it, watch this:

"Evidence will also be led on the need to cross-fund the resort from the residential development".

Somewhere in here is where The Donald may pull a trick and the taxpayers of Scotland may find themselves poorer and The Donald richer.

Keep a close eye on this man - whether you're for or against his plans.
10

dido-bendigo,

Scotland 08/05/2008 15:44:35
Sally forth varlet!

First he wants to walk away,
then he wants somewhat to stay!
Next he pleads we are in need,
will stand up indeed to plead!
Our chance to buy a little bit?
Our heritage? Who gives a sh*t!

Nearly 1,000 time shares! There lies the nub! His need is greater than that of our countryside. Away to Ireland ye character destroyer! See if they will have wool pulled over their eyes! Ford for MP!

11

Andrew BOD,

Aberdeen/shire 08/05/2008 21:04:52
"A statement of case, lodged by the Trump organisation in preparation for next month's public inquiry, makes it clear the tycoon has no intention of moving his championship golf course away from the fragile sand dune system at the centre of widespread support to the controversial scheme."

Just wanted to correct the second paragraph.
12

response,

Syd 09/05/2008 00:05:44
Enough said tell him to p*** off.
13

overton,

balmedie 09/05/2008 07:04:25
7 Nomada,08/05/2008

Again we have an objector trying to undermine this project and insult the views of the majority of electorate in this area.

What exactly then, are the real issues here?

Since when did you, Martin Ford and Debra Storr really care about the small portion of barren, wind eroded dunes at Menie?

It seens that you would be more than happy to have the dunes ravaged by ramblers and a local 'fly tipping' so called 'fisherman' but you don't want a development that will benefit the whole area without really affecting the dunes (except to stabilize them locally).

No one really goes to these dunes although lots of people pass up and down the beach and will continue to do so when the development is complete.

Why the continued objections by Lib Dem councillors without sanction from Aberdeenshire Council or the people who elected them?

There are agendas being worked here that have nothing to do with the 'dynamic dune system' and more to do with a procedural ego-trip by Martin Ford and his pals.

14

Nomada,

09/05/2008 07:54:46
Overton #13 asks: 'Since when did you ... really care about the ... dunes at Menie?'. Answer (not that it is of any relevance to anything, nor really any of your concern) - for the past 40y or so.

Then he asks: 'What exactly then, are the real issues here?'. Answer - look at the papers for the PLI if you want the whole story, but as I indicated in my other post at #7, there is (at the very least) doubt about the fit with national policy on developments on SSSIs, and acknowledged lack of fit with the local plan. There is also substantial concern at the way the episode seems to have ignored proper practice. We have rules in place governing the proper treatment of planning applications, and if these are breached we have anarchy.

And he writes: '... without really affecting the dunes (except to stabilize them locally)'. As has been made clear frequently, the whole scientific interest of the SSSI is that the dunes are *not* stable. What is so difficult to understand there, Overton?

And please don't keep banging on about the support this has in the NE. Even if you are right, nothing in this country is decided on the basis of popular opinion alone. What you seem to believe would be 'democracy' is really mob rule and chaos.
15

overton,

balmedie 09/05/2008 12:26:46
14 Nomada,09/05/2008

I said earlier that it was a procedural ego trip by Martin Ford and you obviously agree.

Clearly you think thet the economic development of this area can be decided by 'experts' like yourself and Martin Ford whilst other Aberdeenshire planning disasters which have been addressed correctly in terms of procedure can be quietly ignored.




16

Richard Taylor,

Aberdeen 09/05/2008 12:56:31
Spot on Donald. Let's get this built.
17

Nomada,

09/05/2008 15:44:10
No, Overton #15. I think that the economic development of this area can be decided by the PLI which will examine all the issues, local and national (remember that our Great Leader has said it is of national importance), and not just consider the self-interested, ill-informed, parochial desires of the Balmedie loons and quines.
18

overton,

balmedie 09/05/2008 15:56:36
17 Nomada,09/05/2008

Well that's you sorted Balmedie out - remember and mention that the next time you're in the White Horse Bar and see if you get a polite politically correct anwswer.
19

CASEY PURVIS,

WEST HILLS 09/05/2008 18:40:45
oh yes ---- money money money money. gee how did scotland ever get along without triump and money money money.
oh that's rite. we are a great country and always have been. being given money will only destroy us.
casey purvis
20

Andrew BOD,

Aberdeenshire 09/05/2008 23:27:05
Nomada

You are ignorant, conceited, disrespectful and haven't the slightest chance of blocking the development using arguments like this:

"The PLI will determine that and other matters, not the assertions of Melly #4 and others on the support there is in the NE among folk who mostly have not the vaguest clue about the real issues."

Then you take the biscuit by saying:

"And please don't keep banging on about the support this has in the NE. Even if you are right, nothing in this country is decided on the basis of popular opinion alone. What you seem to believe would be 'democracy' is really mob rule and chaos."

Would that be General Elections for example. Or the election for Rector of Aberdeen University. Discount public opinion at your peril. Hire a PR firm like your friend. They might tell you to put forward a more positive, engaging image. Trying to win some hearts and minds would be a good tactic. Otherwise, you have no chance.

The real argument, and you know it, will be whether the development will be seen to be overwhelmingly in Scotland's National economic interest, enough to build part of one of the courses on a small section of the SSSI. The least important part of the SSSI. (Was there not another SSSI in Aberdeenshire that was to be subject to development not so long ago? Clashindarroch was it?)
21

Andrew BOD,

Aberdeenshire 09/05/2008 23:30:49
CASEY

Hotel California springs to mind.
22

Andrew BOD,

Aberdeenshire 09/05/2008 23:34:13
johnABZ

The PLI reporter has confirmed that the identity of the developer will not be considered at the inquiry.

PS There are a few "arrogant tw@ts" on this thread.
23

Andrew BOD,

Aberdeenshire 09/05/2008 23:47:08
As far as houses are concerned, the two North East councils said recently that they would have to build 70,000 new houses in the two council areas over the next 20 to 30 years if they wanted to compete economically with other Scottish cities. They stated that some of these houses would definitely have to be built on green belt.

Now these could be built by Scotia, Stewart Milne, Chap, Gladedale, Bancon, Royal Park, Malcolm Allan, Barratt, Wimpey or even TRUMP.

Bearing in mind the proposed new roads infrastructure for the A90, the AWPR, and a possible third Don crossing, Balmedie looks a good bet for further residential development.
24

Schot,

12/05/2008 19:35:05
The Trump proposal is the equivalent of a Spanish golf course without the sun rather than a traditional course. Golf tourists come here for the traditional courses, not for some Trumpton USA, so I have a better proposal for the First Minister. Open up Leith Links, the home of golf, as a golf course again. Put up netting around it to prevent balls smashing windows, and reap the revenue rather than let dodgy corporations detroy the rest of our tourism.

According to the Scottish Government website, golf tourism only earns £66 million of overseas spending which is dwarfed by the total tourist benefit of £4.4 billion. Most tourists come to Scotland for a romantic notion of wilderness, wildlife and natural beauty, they don't come hear for the weather or the developments. It is a reasonable assumption that more tourists would be put off visiting Scotland by this ongoing developments like this than would be attracted.
25

overton,

balmedie 13/05/2008 07:07:54
25 Schot,

No tourists come to Menie atall.
26

Debra Storr,

Balmedie 13/05/2008 13:26:52
It's good to have confirmation that TIGLS is still unwilling to compromise. Why would the "total loss" of this almost unique mobile dune system is worth 9 holes of golf (out of a total of 27)

And as for national importance, the Scottish Government call in didn't call dare it that.
27

Andrew BOD,

Aberdeen/shire 14/05/2008 00:13:46
Cllr Storr

On the 20 December 2007, after being asked 54 questions by MSPs about the Trump call-in, John Swinney had this to say:

"The purpose of call in on this occasion is to provide enhanced scrutiny of a planning application which raises issues of national importance and has been the subject of widespread public interest".

He definitely said "national importance".

You also say "It's good to have confirmation that TIGLS is still unwilling to compromise." Does that mean it would have been bad if he had compromised? I thought your own position was one of wanting the development only not on the SSSI. Has this changed?

It was also good, this morning, to have confirmation that the resort will have up to 5000 temporary or permanent residents at any one time. This will inject a huge amount of cash into the whole local economy, not just the resort.
28

Andrew BOD,

Aberdeen/shire 14/05/2008 00:24:13
Schot

Read the detail about the planning application and you'll see that Trump wants to make the golf courses as traditional and natural as possible. Nothing like a "Spanish golf course".

Your second point merely enhances the potential opportunity for golf tourism in Scotland. This is the home of golf and our friends from the USA and Japan know it.
29

Schot,

14/05/2008 15:42:50
I didn't know that Andrew, I thought one of the selling points was that the course would be unique in Scotland. Why doesn't he just buy one of the existing courses if he has the cash ? Developments shouldn't be allowed on any SSSI. In the Nederlands you are forbidden from walking on coastal sand dunes as it is so damaging to them.

Golf tourism could undoubtedly grow, but the assumption that won't affect other tourism negatively is wrong. Eco tourism is a bigger market and building on the countries most important natural sites isn' going to encourage that. The environment is what is unique about both Scotland and the area as a destination - I've holidayed in the area and wouldn't want to if this goes ahead, I could just go to Fife for landscaped fakery, the wind is less chilly. We are also the home of football so why not sell Trump Pittodrie ? A German tourist once told me he came to visit all the great Scottish football teams 'Glagow Celtic, Glasgow Rangers and Glasgow Aberdeen'.

 

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