You can buy "Jesus dolls" from Christian catalogues over here. No Christian leaders complain. This to-do in Sudan isn't righteous indignation: it's some sort of collective paranoid rage that suggests very deep insecurities among certain Sudanese Muslims.

I really have no idea why any Western, freedom loving human being would even set foot in such a place to begin with. I'd think that any teacher would know that these people need to sink back into the dust because any thing they learn from the West, they use against the West to further there own ideals.

Thank goodness i wasn't a Golliwog they named.
If there is one ethnic group the Khartoum Sudanese hate more than the "whities" it is their black cousins!!!!!

Wonder how much aid the UK gives this country ?

Ah yes, more good news from the "religion of peace." Of course the worst part is we allow them entry into the Western World where they continue to preach hatred against non-Muslims and the west. When will we ever learn? They are very much still living in the middle ages. Just think of the fun once they acquire a nuke!

#6 bob

you better not do that or this might happen to the dog

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/international/muslim-t...

GET SEVERAL HUNDRED THOUSAND PEOPLE TO E-MAIL THE PRESIDENT OF SUDAN. THIS POOR WOMAN MUST BE SO TERRIFIED. TEACHER'S LIVE IN RAREFIED AIR SOMETIMES, SHE WOULD NOT HAVE DELIBERATELY DONE ANYTHING TO JEAPARDIZE HER SAFETY AND CAUSE PROBLEMS FOR THE CHILDREN.
LET US SEE HOW THEY REACT TO WELL SPOKEN E-MAILS FROM ALL OF US. SEND THEM TO THE PRIME MINISTER, LET HIM PUT THROUGH THE SOLID ONES AND SEND THEM TO THE SCHOOL OR THE JUDGES OR SOMEONE WHO CAN BRING THEM AS PAPER E-MAILS TO THE COURT, WHEN SHE IS TRIED. SHOUT OUT FOR THE GUTSY KID WHO IS STANDING UP FOR HIS TEACHER. IN A SOCIETY LIKE THAT, THAT TAKES LOTS OF GUTS. POST THE PRIME MINISTER'S E-MAIL ON THIS SITE, RIGHT AFTER MY COMMENTS, TO DO NOTHING WOULD BE A CRIME. WHAT DO YOU THINK? IS ONE TEACHER WORTH IT, EVEN IF SHE DID MAKE AN ERROR GOING OVER TO TEACH IN THAT COUNTRY, ESPECIALLY NOW. WAS THE BEAR GAY OR STRAIGHT? WHAT A WORLD, WHAT A SHAM.

This story has everything: cute teacher, adorable weans, good chance of a happy ending and - best of all - howling Muslim stereotypes.

It would be nice if the papers covered every miscarriage of justice carried out by dictatorships, but that wouldn't leave any room for X-Factor.

#9 There's a button on your keyboard with the words Caps Lock - try pressing it.

Anyhow, didn't the Sundanese consulate in London start back tracking yesterday? I heard they described the whole incident as "a storm in a tea cup over cultural differences."

I would imagine Miss Gibbons would feel that facing jail or the lash is a bit more than a storm in a tea cup.

Perhaps we should have equally drastic measures for preaching hatred towards the west - although to be fair we already have laws where you can be arrested for being even suspected of terrorism and then held for month in prison.

#11 It would appear that the Muslim stereotypes you mention have a basis in fact. If they would not be so intolerant and violent they wouldn't get such bad press. They really need to get a new PR manager.

This blasphemous infidel women should be grateful that the full force of Sharia law is not embarked upon her and her family for insulting Islam. How can Islam proclaim is religious views of peace and tolerance when it and its followers are subjected to constant attack from infidel westerners? Naming a teddy bear after the Prophet Mohammed – blessed be the name of the prophet – is insulting to Islam.

Send a gunship.
Load of hypocrites, was over there in weeks before they went dry and they were all poring over the white female tourists in the hope of easy pickings. Its OK if they don't adhere to the Koran but god (or whoever) help the christian if they don't.

It must be remembered that although some of us living in the Christian or Western world have attitiudes appropriate for the 21st Century, the Islamic world is still living in the 15th Century (1428). What were we like then? Unfortunately, it will be several years before the Islamic world has grown up.

Well, it's a WOMAN teacher, that alone should earn her 200 lashes under this b@st@rd religion. If she was gang-raped be her accusers, they could have then given her another 200 lashes.

I would name my dog Mohammed, but it isn't a paedophile.

This is absolutely rediculous. No other description for it.

Who cares what a teddy bear is called? Call it Mohammad, Satan, God, Jesus, Thor, Venus, Woden, or even Basil Fawlty. Who really gives a toss?

To be honest, I would have expected this kind of thing to cause a politically-correct storm on these shores rather than the Sudanese government going off on one about it. I mean, hasn't Sudan got enough to worry about without bothering about trivia like this?

You show me one---just one Muslim that would be offended by naming a teddy bear after the Prophet Mohammad---other than the ones who are causing this rediculous situation.

It is stories such as these that reinforce my position regarding Africa and some other parts of the world.

This young woman is a teacher. A more noble profession would be difficult to come by. She trained in order that she could teach children, in the knowledge that her rewards in terms of money would be minimal. She then decides to teach kids in another country, a country in turmoil, a country in economic decline and hungry. A country with political problems, education problems, medical problems and every other problem known to man.

She is prepared to dispense her knowledge with these kids in the hope that she teaches them stuff that will improve their chances of success. A chance that may see some of them bettering the lives of them and their families in years to come. The chance to experience a more dignified life, the chance to travel and learn.

AND what happens? The authorities jail her for naming a teddy bear Mohammad. And why? because the prophet cannot be depicted as an image, which begs the question as to whether all the people around the world named mohammad should be killed for blasphemy.

Think about it again though. She is in jail because she allowed a teddy to be named mohammad. It is beyond the realms of comprehension. It is pathetic, it is archaic, it is sub human, it is primitive, it is a reminder that certain societies will NEVER advance and will NEVER contribute anything useful to the world. Which begs the question as to why so many of us try to help Africa and other regions like her.

It is a joke. I hope the young lassie is freed so that she can leave that hell hole to put her skills to good use elsewhere, within a society that is deserving of her knowledge.

Mohammad! What a joke........

Islam this, Islam that! this is not Islam, what You all are bitching about is An Islam that was invented, nourished and used by the USA to bring down the USSR and to keep N. Africa from becoming Europe's economic whore as Mexico became to the USA "it was the 1st Bush in late 70's and early 90's who suggested that" now that the job is done the Monster is loose can't be put to sleep and turning on it's masters. Be careful, very very careful for what you wish for.

My pet pig Mohammad couldn't agree with you more Media 1.
Isn't it fun xmas is just roon the corner, a run on christmas pigs called Mohammad, all with baby pigs as his wife of course.

Today is Wednesday. Wednesday is insulting to Islam. Under Sharia Law, Wednesdays are now cancelled in westerned countries becase minority religions feel excluded.

18. Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head

following publication of cartoons of Muhammed clearly illustrates that Islam does not subscribe to
eucumenical moral relativism so wishfully propagated
by Christians and most of our politicians.

There is only one God in Islam that is Allah,and Muhammad his Prophet

In Islam there is no contradiction in feeling humiliated when non Muslims criticize Muhammed and feeling righteous when reading Qur`anic verses calling for the killing of non Muslims.
A Muslim sees nothing wrong in claiming Christ is not the son of God, he is merely telling the truth as written in the Qur`an, but for a non Muslim to claim that Muhammed is not a prophet of god is insulting and humiliating muslims everywhere, because it just isn`t true.We have Muhammed word for it.
Again a Muslim sees no humiliation for anyone in
verse 5:59 of the Qur`ran that God turned people of the book (Christians/Jews) into apes and pigs. he believes this tale because to do otherwise is guilty of apostasy.

Who really gives a toss? Muslim do!

"Chinese" Gordon had the right idea about how to deal with this part of the world.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_George_Gordon

#13 Renfrew: True, they haven't exactly covered themselves in glory with this nonsensical charge.

#23 oder: Sorry to be a smartarse, but you've missed the point of Islam, which sees itself as in the same tradition as Christianity and Judaism. Mohammed is not their only prophet, which is why they say 'peace and blessings be upon him' every time they mention Christ.

The prophet Mohammed has sex with dogs in white Baptist Churches and forces their underage young boy owners to watch. If you are a Muslim and consider that insulting, please copy and paste it to as many of your Muslim pals as possible. You’ll find them all outside primary school gates.

Is 'Opheera McDoom', the name of the supposed writer of this article, some kind of a joke?

This 7 year-old should be flogged. How dare he insult the prophet.

25. Boab, Glasgow

Sorry to be a smartarse, dont feel sorry Boab if you read again it wasn`t their tradition that I picked up on the verses above have no eqivilant in any other faith. Peace upon Jesus makes no impression on me anymore the other verse that says there is no compulsion in religon, but if you leave Islam thats apostacy and as you know a death sentence.
thats a good reason if you like living not to leave would`nt you agree? sounds convincing enough me to call that compulsive, However feel free to reach your own conclusion.

sorry should read "equivalent"

#30 I dunno oder, I thought every religion had a 'kill and maim the non-believers' clause. Except maybe Tibetan Buddhism - maybe they should have written one in before China invaded!

#26 Strict Ivan Jellicoe: the Prophet must have gotten the idea from yer maw.

#30:

There is one fundamental issue you are missing here. That of freedom of choice.

You choose to believe in the religion of Islam, which is your own personal choice.

Without wishing to start a protracted debate about religion in general, suffice to say that no-one has the right to inflict their beliefs on others.

Lets put this in perspective shall we. A 7-year-old boy called his teddy bear Mohammed. Seeing as Mohammed is a common name in the Islamic world, I would consider that to be a reasonable thing to do. The teacher also considered it a reasonable thing to do.

Regardless of who Mohammed is or what he stands for, at the end of the day, it is only a name. You would really have to be small minded to assume that because "teddy" is called Mohammed, then he is likely to be looked upon in the same light as the Prophet by learned religious people.

Hopefully this is just a storm in a teacup and will die away soon---with an apology from the authorities. Have things really come to the stage where the government of a country that is ravaged by crime, instability and insurgency is so concerned about the name of a 7-year-old's teddy bear that they have to go to these extremes?

32. Boab, Glasgow

there are? like to quote them?

#2

Tom

Is there room for orginised religion in the 21st century world?

Boab #32
How did you ken ma maw?

Findlay #35. If it was abolished then someone would reinvent it

Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,
you are correct there is no freedom of choice in Islam if I have created the impression to you that I am Muslim I apologise but I presented it as a Muslims see it.

"Without wishing to start a protracted debate about religion in general, suffice to say that no-one has the right to inflict their beliefs on others."

Correct! Muslim cant understand that once you have heard of Islam
how you can be anything other than Muslim.
personally I have no gripe with religion just Islam mainly because of its total lack of intolerance to wards anything or one who do not share their view they don't acknowledge any other than Islam.

the concept of the right to choose is a western concept not Islamic, defenders of Islam will tell you they have the right to choose yes you do! fail to choose Islam and Muslims are told kill the unbeliever so you do have a choice of sorts.
but as I pointed out in a previous post there is no compulsion in Islam but will kill you if you leave
that sounds convincing enough for the thumbs down form any person of any religion, faith or political persuasion.
the troubles with Islam is only just begun.
It is a matter or record that countries with a muslim majority, non muslim minorities have diminished while muslim minorty groups have increased in all other countries, anaylysts vary in their estimates from 50 years and onwards Islam will make up 50% of the world population.

There is one fundamental issue you are missing here. That of freedom of choice.

understand this freedom of choice is not a right under Islam, it is to you but these people dont share your values!

the Muslim states have not signed the declaration on human rights.. why? because they can only accept it if the is something similar in the Quran.

Have things really come to the stage where the government of a country that is ravaged by crime, instability and in

#33. The real flaw in your post is that it's based in logic, morality and common sense. Attempting to apply those traits to this situation and to the Govt. in Khartoum as a whole is an exercise in futility. Don't know if I paint the whole of Islam with the Khartoum brush. They are an evil group of Murderers. Not so for most Muslims. I hope.

The whole insult to Islam thing is crazy, but Islam has a hive mentality, not affording the individual freedom to ignore an insult. I ride the subway, so I get insulted nearly every week in some way shape or form. The only way this will pass is for free societies to continue to follow the Danish Model. When they learn over the years that these insults mean nothing to them or their faith, then they'll grow past this pseudo macho bs. Oder, subways are insulting to Islam.

have you ever looked at muslim art....

all geometric... no people shown anywhere...

ever wonder why?

that would be because one of the basic tennants of the islam faith is "no graven images before me"...

same as christianity... just they take it to the whack-a-doo extreme... WAY farther than any christian ever did... which is what this whole teddy bear thing is based on...

little muhammad better close his trap... another tennant of islam reads something like "you cant bring shame to islam"... and if THIS doesnt bring shame to islam... but then again islam HAS no shame... little muhammad may get the next 40 lashes....

the teacher will probably get the lashes... not because she deserves them... but because she is CLEARLY a westerner, an infidel... has clearly corrupted little 7 year old muhammad.... and brought shame to islam... and thus by islamic law clearly deserves it...

Silent wars are the most effective - they are done through birthrate over long periods of time. Many religions of the world preach the benefits of having large families - this includes Islam. The Western world (original populations) has shifted away from religious teachings, and the birthrate has dropped exponentially. Long-term, the makeup of the overall population changes, and with the change comes new laws to benefit the larger populations. (Class warfare is the same thing - ie. Venezuala.) In a democracy, majority rules - regardless of who that majority is. If Satan himself populated the world with his followers, they would rule and the minorities would have no say. Check the birthrates in your own countries - many have large increases in immigrant populations. We may not see it in our lifetime, but at the current rate it will happen.

39. Stefan, NYC

When they learn over the years that these insults mean nothing to them or their faith, then they'll grow past this pseudo macho bs.

I would like to think your right! but Muslims follow the holy Quran and it is the immutable word god and cannot changed ,unlike the other faiths who can move on and progress Islam is stuck in the 7th century! subways are insulting to Islam.

yes agreed! but who uses such ways?

This is a glimpse of the future of the perils of teaching in a U.K classroom in Birningham in about 10 years.

According to Government stats that city will have a Muslim majority by that time.

Constructive genocide of the native British people has been a priority of successive British Governments since the first wave of our oppressors arrived on the Emperor Windrush in 1948.

Europe is just as bad, you can be impirisoned for daring to disbelieve what your Jewish oppressors dictate you will believe is history.

It is a criminal offence there to exercise the intellectual right to critically examine the details of the Jewish theology of the Holocaust.

Asian Gods including the one on the cross are intolerant gods and do not permit freedom of thought.

Democracy, the concept of free speech and enquiring thought were universal gifts from Pagan Europe.

Return to your roots.

#43

It is not a criminal offence to critically examine the holocaust but if you would like to sit down and listen to my grandads story about when his unit got to Belsen then look at the facts.

#34 oder - Didn't you go to Sunday school? The books of Kings and Samual in the Old Testament are all about slaughtering rival religions.

I don't know much about Sikhs or Hindus but I know that one lot carry a dagger at all times and the other worship a four-armed Goddess of destruction. No mistaking her for a teddy bear!

#20 how is this America's fault?

It is indeed the fault of Islam. There is no rational basis for lashing someone for naming a teddy bear.

#43 the jews and many others were indeed massacred by the National Socialists.

#46 Boab, (PBUH), wasn't it also Sihks that took out Indira Gandhi? Oh well, time to move to the next stage of this conversation.... The 'Court' in Khartoum has formally charged Ms. Gibbons with offending Islam. Breaking news on the wire.

#46 Boab:

Are you talking about a Christian Sunday school?
Christians need the New Testament since we have no benefit from the old.

The Old Testament is between Noah's sons only: Shem (Jews), Ham (Arabs), and Japheth (Armenians).

46. Boab, Glasgow

34 oder - Didn't you go to Sunday school? The books of Kings and Samual in the Old Testament are all about slaughtering rival religions.

of course! I did Boab! without putting to fine a point on it! hardly the equivalent of the killing verses in the Qu`ran that are practiced today!

Who carries out this today? Christians? were? Jews?
were? any other faith? were?

yes! only the religion of peace and tolerance have failed to move away from the 7th century.
and Boad as a Christian I didnt follow the old testament! and you cannot show me killing verses in the christian faith that are followed today there are none, the difference between Islam and christianity today is the right to choose, not allowed in Islam and the other is the ability to change e.g. from the old to the new testament, unfortunately the Quran cannot change and adapt to the modern world and because it cannot change or compromise our troubles with Islam are set to continue.

49. Stefan, NYC
yes it was her bodyguards but from what I recall it was political not religious!

#45
Malkster

In Germany, Austria et al it is a criminal offence to express any doubt about the Holocaust even in a private letter punishable with imprisonment.

Any conclusion resulting from a critical examination that does not support the Jewish oppressors version of events is criminal.

Under such conditions a critical examination of the facts is not possible in those countries.

Critical examination means among other things unristricted access to the unconverted.

Your Grandfather would not be a neutral witness as he was exposed to allied Jewish generated propaganda and his view of what he saw would have been affected by this subtle manipulation of his mind by the Alied anf Jewish Propaganda machine.

Your grandfather would have been there after the alleged event.

Did he witness a Jew being gassed or did he only listen to the verbal reports of the Jews he found there????

Hardly neutral witnesess, they were interned as they were prepared to undermine the democratically elected government headed by Hitler

The joke at Nuremberg:

The IMT operated under a set of 28 articles the following articles are of relevance:

No.19: The normal technical rules of evidence do not apply.

No. 21: Proof of the evidence of "facts" presented are not required.

Justice or joke ???

#52

How about the piles of bodies? the sick and emaciated survivors. Hollywood couldn't create that type of deception today never mind the jewish prisoners in 1945. Belsen had not been evacuated when the Allied troops arrived.

#52

However I do agree that the fact people are not allowed to express their opinion about the subject anywhere is extremely sad. I disagree strongly with your opinion but I would defend your right to express it.

#52 Odin: If you deny the holocaust existed, please come out and say it so that we can ignore the rest of your posts. You're not a Burzum fan, are you?

#51 oder: There's plenty of peace and love in the Koran too if you look for it (I'm feeling all smug because I found this the other day):

The Disbelievers

In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful.
[109.1] Say: O unbelievers!
[109.2] I do not serve that which you serve,
[109.3] Nor do you serve Him Whom I serve:
[109.4] Nor am I going to serve that which you serve,
[109.5] Nor are you going to serve Him Whom I serve:
[109.6] You shall have your religion and I shall have my religion.

The muppets in charge of the FCO should be ordered to withdraw the UK ambassador now, to suspend all aid payments now, and for sanctions to be imposed if she is found guilty.

A gunboat should also be sent to the region.

Meanwhile, the FCO are probably trying to work out how much cash it will take to bribe Sudan to release her.

> The UK is the 2nd largest bilateral humanitarian donor to Sudan. Since April 2004 we have given over £275m to Sudan (over £145m to Darfur). The UK has committed £114m in aid to Sudan for 2007/08. <

(UK Department for International Development, 28 October 2007)

Just tell them that they can whistle for the promised £114m until all charges against Ms Gibbons have been dropped and she has received a full apology.

Ah, now I get it.

Because the UK has had the temerity to try to tell the Sudanese government what to do in Darfur i.e. stop murdering innocents, this is a warning shot against the UK.

So, the FCO will mumble platitudes while bending over and taking it in the a**e from Sudan yet again, and the UK will scale back its condemnation of Sudan.

Meanwhile the Sudanese governement will lament what is happening, but plead the independency of the judicial system and that they cannot interfere. Gillian Gibbons will be found guilty, but will be pardoned by the merciful Sudanese President. We gullible fools will all fall for it, the murders in Darfur will continue, and the UN will resume its chocolate teapot mode.

Cannot oder and his ilk put a sock in it? Do we need their self-serving sermons and sermonettes and apologias and tiresome verbiage?

That woman will not get justice because she IS a woman in a Muslim country with a deplorable human rights record.

We know what the Koran has to say about women and most of it ain't pretty at all.

#53, #54

Malkster,

The bodies are the result of the organism called Salmonlla Typhi. (Typhoid Fever)

The British pioneered concentration camps in South Africa, some 29,000 Dutch women and children died in those camps and the British were accused of murder by the interns.

The British, like the Germans had hospitals in the camps

Why waste precious resources in wartime if your purpose is to kill your source of labour.

That does not make economic sence.

Zyklon was an attempt to control the lice that carried the infective organism from person to person.

There was no food even for the germans at the later stages of the war.

Why does the truth need laws to force you to believe it ????

Boab #56. SOunds like a good 'live and let live' verse. But what they need to have is a 'turn the other cheek' rule when it comes to insults to their theology, if they're ever going to get with the modern day program.

#60 Yup. No justice for a women in these societies. A 15 year old girl hung in Iran for crimes against chastity. A women sentenced to 200 lashes for cheating on her husband, by being gang-raped. On and on.

# 56 Boab:

In the Bible there is no indication that God is religious.
Almost the first thing in the Bible is that men are created in His image.
Therefore only Atheists are true believers.

#62 Right enough, Stefan. In fact the Sudanese would be a lot more reasonable if only they got college degrees and went to work in IT rather than sitting round starving in a war-torn dictatorship. (Sorry, sarcasm is the lowest form of wit ...)

I was appalled to hear about the rape victim in Saudi Arabia too, but that story didn't make it on to our front pages.

#63 Trond: I'm going to go off and think about that one. Later everyone!

The madness of religion exposed once again in all it's superstitious ignorance and bigotry.

Let's bin religion.

Has workshy Odin not got a job to do?

#66, well, let's bin Islam, anyway. It seems to cause far more trouble than all the rest put together.

#6-Bob-Seems it's way beyond time to take a stance against these nutjobs. Unfortunately, they have their sympathizers.

#51-Oder- Excuse the complete ignorance of those who compare islam to other religions. I was also brought up catholic and NEVER was I taught to kill or behead anyone who didnt agree with my religion, or who has made fun of my faith, or who draws cartoons of Jesus or God, or who makes a film about catholic men, etc.. True ignorance of those who compare christianity to islam, especially when it comes to the treatment of women.

And so it came to pass.

Teddy, a very cute prophet, came unto the Muslim world and the Muslim world fell prostrate to the floor and immediately started to kill each other to prove who among them loved Teddy best. For Teddy was indeed very cute.
And Teddy sayeth:
come unto me but do not utter my name for ye shall know death:
And the Muslim world said, still very much prostrate, 'Ye o lord! We will die because we believe in Teddy and we will kill and subjugate the whole world because you are indeed very cute! '

And Teddy said unto the Muslims, 'Unto me ye belong - do not covet my honey for it is mine! '
And the muslims sayeth - 'ye! The honey be holy and any infidel or schoolteachers caught taking from the honey will surely die!'
And Teddy said, What is the meaning of all this fuss?
And the Muslim world sayeth unto Teddy, still prostrate, we knoweth not what we do but for you, oh great Teddy, and no amount of humiliation is enough for us. Oh Teddy, we die for just a cuddle: come and give us a cuddle'!
And Teddy sayeth,' Oh go on then..."
And they cuddled.

Unfortunately not all children's stories have happy endings - too many silly Adults believe in them and will certainly die and kill for them.

Philosophy is questions which may or may not have an answer
Religion is an answer which can never be questioned
Blind faith is legalised slavery:
Religion relies on the abuse of children to survive
Who today will turn their children over to this?
Fantastic ideas require fantastic explanations
Fantastic explanations require fantastic evidence

Islam is really an insidious political movement masquerading as a religion.

56. Boab, Glasgow

congratulations Boab! however the question is not islamic love and peace thats the problem,its what to be believe?

you said

Qur`anic verse

[109.6] You shall have your religion and I shall have my religion.

Qur`anic verse 9:5
when the the four forbbiden months are over , were ever you find the polytheists, kill them,seize them,besiege them,ambush them.

[109.6] this implies tolerance of other`s religion,
similar to what was said previously about compulsion
there is no compulsion in religion also a Qur`anic verse.

ex- muslims

Bukhari 009. 083. 017

Allah`s apostle said the blood of a muslim who confesses that none have the right to be worshiped but Allah and that I am his apostle cannot be shed except in three cases;
for murder, a married person who commits illegal
sexual act and the one who reverts from Islam (apostate) and leaves the Muslims

Bukhari 004.052.260

Ali burnt some people and the news reached Ibn Abbas who said "Had I been there in his place I would` nt have burnt them, as the prophet said
dont punish (anybody) with Allah`s punishment
No doubt I would have killed them, for the Prophet
said If someone, a Muslim discards his religion
Kill Him!

Impressive religious tolerance here eh!

Whats going on here Boab ? see any Takiya going on here?

60. TimW1234, Ottawa, Canada

well if you dont approve of the subject you have a number of choices, use them!

70. American, USA
Agreed!

Is nt it about time we all read Stephen Hawkins book, the God delusion?

#74-nurse-Seems stephen hawkins has a good reason not to believe in god.

74 :
Read it
Try Sam Harris :
A Letter to a Christian Nation
or ' The End of Faith
or Try Christopher Hitchins:
God is not Great
Or Thomas Paine: 'Age of Reason'.
they are all good and show these religious nutters up for what they are: intellectual cowards who cannot believe they will die one day. That's the nub of it.

Mohammed married a nine year old, robbed, raped and murdered. Should we expect his followers to act with civility?

well I never said anything about whether the art was aesthetically pleasing...

and when you come to understand the fanatacism that drives the art... it certainly loses some of its aesthetically pleasing qualities.... doesnt it?

#73 oder: I don't deny that there are fanatical elements in Islam. But all the Muslims I know tend to be too busy with jobs, families etc to bother with hunting down and slaying the polytheists! That's the difference between Muslims living in the nice, liberal UK as opposed to brutal, war-torn Sudan.

#70 American: There's actually a lot of scope for equal treatment of women in the Koran. Again, our perspective of Islam is slightly skewed by countries like Sudan and other post-colonial hellholes. Your experience of Catholicism would be somewhat different if you'd grown up in Larkhall (Google it).

#79 No offence to anyone who grew up in Larkhall! In fact one of my best friends ... oh, forget it.

dear all,

Thank you for your concern. I note with some interest that many here seem to think that Islam is a bad religion or, at least, in some way worse that others.

It amazes me that the Scotsman delights in placing such articles in their newspaper but only if it's about some muslim country not controlled by the USA nor one whose brutal dictators have tea with that dear old queen of yours.

They also fail to mention the serious devotees of extreme views called the Northern Alliance; those people so fantastically brutal (while supported by the USA) that the people of kabul actively welcomed the Taliban.

Could we please have more articles on the Christians who bombed our drug company, resulting in the massacre of thousands of our kids? You know, the sort of Christian brutality that tends to make people shift towards other such radical lunatics?
Thank you.

dear all,

Thank you for your concern. I note with some interest that many here seem to think that Islam is a bad religion or, at least, in some way worse that others.

It amazes me that the Scotsman delights in placing such articles in their newspaper but only if it's about some muslim country not controlled by the USA nor one whose brutal dictators have tea with that dear old queen of yours.

They also fail to mention the serious devotees of extreme views called the Northern Alliance; those people so fantastically brutal (while supported by the USA) that the people of kabul actively welcomed the Taliban.

Could we please have more articles on the Christians who bombed our drug company, resulting in the massacre of thousands of our kids? You know, the sort of Christian brutality that tends to make people shift towards other such radical lunatics?
Thank you.

Anyone who chooses to live and work in an Islamic hell hole surrounded by the brain washed followers of 'Allah' deserve all they get.

200 lashes followed by a damn good pebbling (slightly less harsh form of stoning).

#14 Strict Ivan

What an igmo, try getting a life! You Islamic Findamentalists truly are ignorant and illiterate. if naming a "Tedy Bear" Muhammud is sacrilige, then perhaps you should not name any of your fellow countrymen by that name.

Let's see, if a man called Muhammud goes out and rapes ten virgins, shouldn't he be castrated for defiling the name of Muhammud? Oh, I'm sorry, the virgins were Christian so he will be hailed as a martyr.

You people demand that we of the west demonstrate tolerance, but you show no tolerance at all. Sadly, you are blinf men being led about by blind men. Unfortunently, you prefer to remain blind and biggoted.

To incarcerate someone merely because a little boy choses to name the class teddy bear Muhammud is a sign of deep paranoia, religious fanaticism, jealousy, and total illiteracy.

It's quite obvious that your mommy failed to give you a little teddy bear of your own to play with named Muhammud.

Just take a mental note right here igmo! When your aunts, uncles, brothers, and other fellow Islamic radicals gather together with Russia to invade Israel by ambush, you will see the power and anger of the One true God! And Muhammud is not His prophet. For HE will fight for His chosen people, Israel! You can take that fact to the bank and draw interest on it!

For the record Boab! I dont have a problem with Muslim per se, Islam is equally bad to Muslims as it is to non Muslims.(women included)The problem for all Muslims is that the read from the same book the Holly Qu`ran and no Muslims dare question it, to do so is punishable by death.
So Osma bin Laden kills non believers because the Qur`an tells him to do so, yet the so called moderate Muslims say that the people carry out such attack are are unIslamic... Ok Islam has away of dealing with the un Islamic , do you remember the writer Rushdie? for his un Islamic ways they put a fatwa on him, the Iman`s can if they so desired do the same with all Muslim terrorist the question why don't they? or is it just filmmakers newspapers and other western targets.
your answer is in the Qur`an there is no justification
for a muslim to kill Bin laden for he his doing as commanded kill the unbeliever, which Muslim will go against the Holy book, so all Muslim are fundamentalists, in other words the have to obey the Qur`an. and that why they won`t do anything about him and his kind. Nice talking to you Boab keep up reading your Qur`an

As-Salaamu aleikum!

#79. And there it is. IT over war torn dictatorship everytime!

#86. Oder. It's the classic 'pick the fight you can win' move. Fatwa on Rushdie, no problem. Fatwa on Al Queda, problem. It's like the District Attorney going after the grafitti artist while turning a blind eye to the Gotti's, (Peace be unto them). You only pick fights that are easy to win and make you look tough at home. Never ones that may cost you friends or fingers. Mullahs, Imans, they're cut from the same cloth as any politician. They make the stands that will strengthen their base.

Editorial Note: I'm in no way implying that the Gotti family (PBUT) is involved in anything out of the ordinary. There's no such thing as the mafia. Also, I know this analogy has holes in it.

Oops. Previous post addressed to #85.

#82 Mohammed the Teddy Bear: genius!

#85 oder: We don't agree, but cheers for the sentiment! I'd never heard that phrase before.

#87 Stefan: Well put. And I think I'll start tagging (PBUT) after anyone's name when they're either very nice or a real badass.

#86. Oder. It's the classic 'pick the fight you can win' move.

Yeah good eh! pick it up reading the Qur`an!!

#89 It's always best to be safe, especially when referring to figments of the Justice Dept's imagination. Like the Mafia. (see your #64, lowest form of wit). Have a good night. Cheers.

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The Western nations must band together...stop the aid, issue sanctions until this woman is released.
I also think a moratorium on immigration from this area should exist and they be told their quota is filled.

As a matter of fact...there should be no more immigrating from Muslim countries to western countries, and those here should either assimilate, dress in western style clothes (like we have to dress like them in their countries) or go home to their repsective countries.
Harsh? Insane? Who cares.. PC is going to kills us..and if passing dress codes is the only way to make them leave...I say do it!!!

Can you tell..I'm angry?

94. Lynne

Sudan has done itself a lot of harm with this action, the ordinary people will pay the price.

Spineless Brown, our criminal leader, will do nothing.

She will be spending 15 days in jail...and no flogging (thank G-d)..and then to be deported..

weeshooie1.. thanks for the eye opener.. hope many people read it..I am sendig this off to all my friends.

As of today she has been moved from where she was being held...because the "good people of Sudan" didn't want her to be harmed by thoses masses ouside the jail.

These people are insane..mass religious hysteria..if they had any sense, or compassion..that woan would be on the next plane out with "time served"..she has been there 15 days already.