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Quote: Rapist denied parole calls it a breach of his rights...........Well obviously ridiculous....but why are we seeing a story like this EVERY day.Whats the real reason ?Its obvious to most that being in the EU is a no no for Scotland
One we get Independence, we should RESIGN from the ECHR.
Convicted criminals should have NO rights .... especially for crimes of THIS nature!!! Scum like this should serve every second of their sentence!!!
They're taking the "Mick" whilst in the Nick!
"Q: What impact has it had?
A: It had been expected to unleash a wave of contentious cases. That hasn't happened.
Recently, the convention has been invoked by prisoners claiming their rights have been breached by slopping out, being denied the vote and pre-recorded telephone messages."
If these issues aren't contentious, then what the hell is?
However, this latest one is just going too far. I sincerely hope that a rapist does not manage to get a hearing about his human rights allegedly being violated. What about the human rights of the woman he raped at knife-point?
For starters, what he did deserved a lot more than 6 years gaol. He should have been given life, as in for the rest of his natural.
What are we coming to when violent sexual predators are given light sentences, and then let out early. It's time wee Joke McConnell and his numpties woke up to the fact that the public deserves to be protected from such scum. Hopefully, after May, we might start to see some justice done in this country.
The ECHR was not meant to protect the "rights" of scum. They forfeited their rights when they committed the crime. If the ECHR is going to be continually abused, then it should either be scrapped or changed.
In a word, Laidlaw TOUGH!You did the crime , you pay for the crime,its that simpleWhat about the rights of the person he raped?
Despite the 'apparent' spontenaiety of these cases, the real culprits behind this string of ECHR challenges are here : http://www.lawscot.org.uk
These legal firms are simply too thick to coordinate all their cases at the same time, and with the Society's senior staff running around briefing just about anyone who will listen & stage managing the process in the background.. we get the resulting headlines ... and of course I suppose the Judiciary will be having a laugh at all of us too ... 'one in the eye for those reformers who question our authority' is the chant in Parliament Square these days.
The lawyers are out to make money, and business ... but please remember the control freakery which goes on behind the scenes .. and nothing is what it seems these days with the law in Scotland.
Heartly aggree with # 2. Criminals should have not rights at all. If they do the crime, they should do the trime. Throw away the key on them or send them over here & let them meet Bubba. Then he would know how his victum felt when Bubba is thru with him.
Put this dude in a cell with a big dude named "Buba" and then let him worry about rape.
#1the Eu has nothing to with the ECHR this was put together by the council of Europe in the 1950,s
Shades of yesterday's story i can't wait for the next installment,someone wants there bed from The Bed Shed and why not.
Castrate him then let him out of jail - he certainly won't commit rape again!
#1 - Yes why are we seeing more and more stories like this? People who break the law, especially serious crimes such as rape where the victim has been subjected to unthinkable pyhsical and mental torture, should have no rights what so ever.
Laidlaw - Buba's comi' te get ye!
It is too extreme to say prisoners should have no rights whatsoever (think about it), but certainly their rights should be very limited in consideration for crime/s committed.
Do not let this guy out - he serves a 6 year sentence? The woman he raped is serving a life sentence.
Shoot them all, no more complaning.
;-)
I took a friend to the castle yesterday, we visited the prisoner of war exhibit, there's an empty cell there... Throw him in... That's the kind of cell he should be in!
#11. Couldn't agree more.They should castrate all rapists and paedophiles then let them out early. This punishment would fit the crime, and would help with the overcrowded prison problem.
The prison sentences dished out to rapists and the like are far too lenient - I wouldn't hold up the American system as a beacon of righteousness, but they certainly know how to hand down the jail terms!! As for this guy appealing - I don't entirely blame him. He's stuck in prison with nothing to do so this is a bit of sport for him - it's the people who entertain his claims and then allocate/accept money to represent him that are the REAL culprits.
Johan You have two articles. One is rape I love that. The other is boring.Rapist denied parole calls it a breach of his rightsJOHN ROBERTSONLAW CORRESPONDENT
QUESTIONS OF CONVENTIONQ: What is the European Convention on Human Rights?
A: The convention was formed in 1950 by European states to enshrine fundamental rights, including the rights to life; to freedom from torture and inhuman and degrading treatment; and to a fair trial.
Q: What power does it give?
A: It allows people to lodge complaints for alleged violations of those rights.
Q: What was the purpose of the Human Rights Act 1998?
A: This brought ECHR rights into UK law and means people who consider their rights have been breached by a public body can have their case heard in a British court, rather than having to go to the European Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg.
Q: How does it apply in Scotland?
A: The Scotland Act 1998, which established the Scottish Parliament, says all laws passed in Scotland must comply with the ECHR.
Q: What impact has it had?
Recently, the convention has been invoked by prisoners claiming their rights have been breached by slopping out, being denied the vote and pre-recorded telephone messages.
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Now why the constitution etc come in the rapist files. He raped and got caught. If he would not have caught?
I think all the above miss that this is rape case. Not Saddam Hussen caught case. He has to be tried and convicted. This will take 12 years. The lawyers will have to collect the sperm and DNA and all that stuff includung the hair of the girl and match this with her history and the lost passport that was forged in Spain....or India..You see they have travelling to do as well. Lucky guys I mean the lawayers
Why blame the prisoner while it is the parole system that is the problem; it is cumbersome, expensive, and unjust. It would be helpful to know why this prisoner continued to feel angry about his victim; could there possibly be some collusion between the victim and the act committed; are we only hearing half the facts?
Finally, prior to the parole legislation coming into effect in 1968 the government asked the insurance company acturaries if they could produce a method of recognising those who could be given early release from their sentence and which could produce a high success rate. Based solely on prisoner's records those acturaries produced a questionaire consisting of ten questions that the main grade prison officer could complete in a few minutes; a simple, economical, and effective system that each prison could easily administer. Would you like to know what happened to this potentially beneficial system? Who then is the defaulter?
I never understood, why people get 10 or 15 years and they become released after serving 3/4 or so. Why??? If I get my Council Tax Bill, I have to pay it in complete and nobody comes and tells me about having to pay only just 3/4 of it. It is the same with anything else. Why send one to prison for 6 years and set him/her free after 4.5 years???If someone out there can explane the logic in that to me.. fine .But I think if someone is convicted, they should serve the time given!
At the end of the day the only phrase that matters is "Commit the Crime, Do the time". If Laidlaw claims he wasn't a Rapist, why did he not just bolt throught the door and tell the woman, so long lady? No he goes and rapes her and subjects her to a brutal attack. Yep stick him in a cell with BUBA.
#23- Great comment- I agree.
Just what is his rights have to do wirth anything.He raped a women at knife point ,where is her rights at and only 6 years Yes by all means release him but cut his dick off first.and let him get rape 5 or 6 times in a day
All rapists should be treated the same with two bricks thats would stop them raping again. But here we go again human rights who is putting this idea into the cons head other cons or could it be Lawyers they make a killing out of all this between them having to visit the prisoner in jail which he claims expenses for and how many cons does he see whilst at the jail. Will he claim travelling expenses for seeing each one ???? I wonder. Legal Aid is an easy way for Lawyers to make loads of cash.
What a strange, confused view some of the posters here have of the legal system. Idiots to operate a parole system, incompetent idiots to take up a case of human rights. However they were the same body to try and convict the criminal in the first place. Were they wrong there too?
It is everytime the same. The rights of them doing a crime are better looked after then the rights of the victims! A convicted Rapist has got more rights, and more bodies to fight for his rights then any of the women/chioldren he/her raped!
Passing thought.It seems that the legal profession are at least complicit in presenting these cases. After all, they get paid their legal aid fee win or lose and I am sure they have a good idea of their chances of success before they strt.Couldn't we take a leaf from their own book and have cases like this dealt with on "no win no fee" (legal aid). This would potentially make the complainant responsible for paying for his legal representation if he lost and, quite possibly the lawyers taking a gamble on whether they get paid or not.
If you can't do the time...don't do the crime. That simple.
This administration should be paroled. They should be allowed time off for incompetence.
The ECHR was set up to ensure that no state could ever again carry out acts of inhumanity such as those in Nazi Germany. Commendable and, after the holocaust, very necessary.However, the brilliant premise that people have 'rights' with which the state cannot interfere or deny has been used by lawbreakers, supported by unconscionable lawyers, to defend their unlawful acts or behaviour.This is an affront to the memory of those whose treatment and death was the incentive for the ECHR.The Scottish parliament, advised by a politician lawyer, rushed headlong into adopting the ECHR before Westminster did - presumably to show how modern-thinking they were. Did they not stop to ask themselves why the civil servants in Whitehall were advising caution before adopting the Convention? No; just get one over the English, that'll show them. Within weeks there were claims for a variety of breaches of 'rights', including the legitimacy of temporary sheriffs, the rights of drunk drivers etc.What a fiasco and what a travesty of the rights of law-abiding people.
I agree with post 33 - Mad Hatters Tea party and total incompetence!! I do not see how a guy who was in the community problem free for 2 yrs could pose more of a risk 12-18mths after return to prison - are they saying he was released into the community on bail when it was not safe for the public?
#27 I agree with your comment about treating rapists with two bricks. If this was applied to all sex offenders and not just rapists there would not be the necessity to have a sex offenders' register. There would also be a reduction in anxiety when one of these creeps moves into your area.
Scotland has an appauling high nos of miscarriages of justice. The forthcoming Lockerbie, Nat Fraser and other high profile cases are going to make us the laughing stock of the world on the back of the Shirley McKie and barbaric prison conditions claims fiascos. Rather than dot the i's and cross the 't's it is one mistake after another. A guy has protested his innocence and will not admit to the crime just to get released. Would you admit to something you say you did not do? Then the PBS insist upon his participation in rehab programmes. It is illogical to insist upon participation when you have no data whatsoever to even know if this rehab works so how can you impose this? To not even exercise the duty of care bestowed upon them by the general public to be diligent and follow due process is farcical. It is more than apparent from the most recent judicial review that Mr Laidlaw has a case to answer in terms of the failure on the part of the PBS to excute matters competently. Perhaps like the last judicial review this will be hushed up and not available via the scots courts website?! It is about high time the PBS started to get their act together, move into the 21st century and follow the procedure executed by England to avoid any loop holes and the decision process is not subject to legal challenge.
Whether he is rightly convicted or innocent has no bearing here,since that is a seperate issue which already has been tried,he has been convicted and unless he can provide evidence which challenges the courts findings and jusitifies a re examination of this new evidence,then he is guilty in the eyes of the law, and in custody where he rightly should be.His human rights are those which we afford to all people who are convicted of a crime,(ie a roof over his head and three square meals )and his entitlement to parole is in my view non existent under any circumstances.He was tried sentenced and he should repay his debt to society(and some would argue depriving him of his livelihood is getting off lightly)so he has nothing to complain about as far as I am concerned.Many have said it and they are correct.He is a convicted rapist.Sod his rights!Parole is a contradiction of the sentence by its very existence. Good behaviour in prison has a number of points which seem to be overlooked too readily.Theres limited scope for misbehaving whilst in custody (or at least there should be)plus anybody offered a reduction in sentence if he behaves for a while will always do so(unless a complete loony) and will emerge to re offend again.SCrap parole,punish them,and if anything increase the sentence if he does not respond!The law abiding citizen has rights,one of which is to walk the streets without being threatened by law breakers> thats why they were sentenced and thats where they should stay until the sentence has been served.End of debate.
decent hard working people cant aford lawyers, there fore the crooks that qualify for legal aid are taking the p### out of the system. All the courts need to do is follow the local gov, protacol and drag any greavences by these conn artists over 5 yrs or more and by that time they will be ready for getting out anyway, or better still bring back hanging and that would save the tax payer,s a lot of money over the year,s.and get rid of the politicaly correct do gooders as there policies have been tried and tested over the yr,s and consistantly never work apart from creating a cushy job for themselves. then again thats the reason for ther existance in the first place. This country is finnish at least the conns will have made enough money through litigation along with the crooked lawyer,s to abandod the country when it goes under while the rest of us will have to wollow away in the mess caused by our failure to remove the instigator,s of our predicament at the ballet box for several year,s.
Rape is a bit like murder, the most difficult one to commit is your first.So the state has a responsibility to protect it's citizens from, headlines;CONVICTED MURDERER SOUGHT FOR MURDER WHILST ON BAIL.
CONVICTED RAPIST HUNTED FOR SEX ATTACK.
Offences against the person should be a priority over those against property.
Re #7. He does have rights: the right to not starve to death nor freeze to death. Beyond that, I agree with you, but don't think you go far enough. Us women should have the right to see scum like this Mr. Laidlaw castrated and then released, unable to harm people again! Even if that HAD agreed to have sex as he claims, she always had the right to change her mind, and him pursing things beyond her changing her mind IS rape. Suck it up and deal, rapist!
Every one in the jail,s innocent thats why there in there Its the public that are guilty for listening to and putting up with all this crap for year,s and year,s still wollowing in the same old ceasepool.
what about the human rights of the victim? what about the human rights of her son? This guyhas already been free for 2 years of his sentence. When will it stop? What about my human rights - my right to live my life without fear of attack from people such as them?
Maybe if he had been younger and had a budding football career he never would have seen the inside of a cell...wouldnt want to ruin his future football career now would we? Oh, but sorry that one only FILMED what police thought from the evidence was certainly a rape so I guess that somehow makes it better. Seems to be a question of who actually gets convicted in the first place.
I agree with #2 and #11. Stories like this anger me.
The ECHR was brought in for a good reason. The sort of cases reported here means something is wrong with its implementation. People are rightly annoyed with these sort of cases but we have to be careful that we don't undermine our own rights in the process.
I cant honestly fathom where the Scotsman are going with these daily stories on legal aid.
The Record, a few weeks ago, did a sting on a lawyer who was bribing clients, and whom the Legal Aid Board took off the legal aid list this week ... action, rather than words .. quite a good sting that was - but there are plenty more in that stable.
Are we going to have some editorials next week condemning lawyers milking the taxpayer & encouraging clients into 'controversial cases" which attract the legal aid big bucks and taking some action on it, a la Record style ?
I think not.
Clearly, there are also people on this board who feel strongly about the case ... well, there is a solution to this.
Focus your effort & your feelings on this issue. If you feel the public interest is not being served by the way the legal profession are milking the legal aid budget with these cases - contact SLAB & the Scottish Executive to express your feelings.
The Scottish Legal Aid Board are here : http://www.slab.org.uk The Scottish Legal Aid Board44 Drumsheugh GardensEdinburghEH3 7SW general@slab.org.uk
As for the Executive, well we all know where they are located.
ECHR - these cases are more to do with, as many of us know, opportunistic greedy & ulterior motivated lawyers seeking to twist & exploit such legislation for their own ends & their own pockets. ECHR has actually done a bit of good for us, but there are forces at work which dont want anyone to have a bill of rights and be subject to detention or arrest without explanation at any time.
The more this sort of lunacy occurs the more one is given to compose "ideal" solutions for this sort of sub human. Perhaps:
Put all rapists in a confined yet free society so that they may perform their desires on eachother. They choose to live, when free, by the survival of the fitest rule, so the stronger will take the weaker and justice will be done.
Do the same with each catagory of criminals that have defiled innocent people for their own personal ends.
It might be an invitation for some but surely a deterant for most of the cowards.
Number 17 - - - - I don't know where you get your information but certainly in the state of Minnesota there is no justice. One gets a slap on the hand and told "don't do that again". Any rapist should serve full time and be castrated. The victims are all serving life sentences. The perpetrators of violent crimes should get the death sentence in a lot of cases or at least, life meaning LIFE.
?????Give him the two bricks punishment?????? Castrate him??????????????? Rape is like Murder and he should be executed?????
Rape used to be treated like Murder and the Death Sentence was meted out to those convicted, even those convicted on the spurious evidence of a "wronged" woman.
But why do I, normally a hard liner on all criminal matters, have a sense of unease over this case? No witnesses, no physical evidence of violence - only the "victim's" accusations?
But having worked for years in the criminal justice system, I know from experience that there are many wrongly convicted people in jail - you only have to look at the number of successful appeals against conviction.
So maybe, just now and then, let's have a little less confidence in our criminal justice system and a bit more restraint when condemning those found Guilty.
#11 Erse. Castration simply doesn't work as the rape is in the perpetrators mind. Chopping off his testicles doesn't remove the desire and if he can't use the normal article - a bottle or stick would be just as likely to be used and cause much more damage than the original tool.
re no 50 can you tell me how often is there a witness to a rape also the woman in question would more than as not been to afraid to put up any sort of fight. I take it if you were in her place you would have fought him off even if you got brused and battered in the process. If a woman is willing to have sex then changes her mind and says NO if the guy goes ahead then that is rape. I know there are some wrongly sentenced to prison but when you have worked in a prison they are all NOT GUILTY or so they say.
Here is a recent proceeding to consider:
Convicted Child Molester Gets 800 YearsBy Associated PressSat Feb 10, 2:25 AM
SAN JOSE, Calif. - The former roommate of one of the nation's most prolific child molesters was sentenced Friday to at least 800 years in prison for sexually abusing three boys.
Fred Everts, 36, was convicted last year of molesting the youngsters, ages 3, 9 and 11. He was sentenced to 800 years to life.
Police discovered the crimes two years ago while investigating Dean Arthur Schwartzmiller, who authorities say may have molested hundreds of youngsters over decades and kept detailed logs on the children.
Schwartzmiller, 65, was sentenced in January to 152 years in prison for abusing two 12-year-old boys. He and Everts had met in prison on earlier molestation charges and eventually moved in together in San Jose.
Steve Fein, who prosecuted both men, said Everts admitted molesting about 40 children, including his 3-month-old biological son. He asked for the maximum sentence of 1,175 years to life.
Everts' sentence was compounded under California's three-strikes law because of two felony convictions in Oregon in 1993 for sodomy and sexual abuse on his young stepson.
In asking for leniency, defense lawyer Steven Woodson asked the judge to disregard the previous two felonies and consider his client's admission to the crimes and cooperation with investigators.
The legal system let the victim down very badly in this case. He ought to have received a separate, consecutive sentence for each act of violence, and on each act of rape.
The only right a convicted felon has is to be incarcerated until he is no longer a threat to anyone.
Legislators, are you listebning? Can you hear me now?
Folks, it is not only the your side of the pond, where there is more concern for the criminal, than the victim . Example; a young woman dissappeared.There was a search for days.Her bones were finally disscovered in a culvert. Blood found in the house, and on some of her boyfriends clothes resulted in murded charges against he boyfriend.Her boyfriend addmitted he HAD KILLED HER.BUT he said IT WAS SELF DEFENSE. She came "at him with a knife" and he accidentlaly killed her defending himself(blugeoned her to death). "He then "panicked" and hid her body in the culvert.The Judge(stupid ba$tard) said this created a doubt that he had killed her deliberatly . AND LET HIM GO SCOTT FREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Rwe: # 50. Put the shoe on the other foot and imagine that it was you that had been raped. Would you then plead in court for your sodomiser because there were no witnesses and you just had to be fair or suffer from 'unease.'
FYI - sewing mail bags cannot be counted as working for the legal system.
Restraint? Very funny, and I though Chick Murray was dead.
If David Laidlaw wants sympathy. He'll be sure to find it in the dictionary between sh*t and syphilis
Is it not time that the issue of granting legal aid to some of those prisoners in Scottish jails be reconsidered - or at least run past a panel of non-lawyers who can bring some commonsense into the whole thing. This is the 2nd case in two days where some criminal is allowed to pursue litigation from a prison cell.
Re: No. 22. The phrase is:"Though the wheels of God grind slowly,Yet they grind exceeding small.[line forgotten!]With exactness grinds he all!"
Dragonhead #20 hits the nail on the head.My experience with both US Military and civilian systems shows me the differences in post releaes outrcomes. In the case of Military justice the recivitism was incomparable to the civilian systems I have worked in. The reason is very simple. In the Military system of justice ie: Navy/Marine Brigs, prisoners were held accountable and punished with no "good time" and were disciplined when necesary. I never saw any physical punishment in three years of working in a military prison environment. Inmates were held accountable and punished in a variety of humane ways. I, like Dragonhead did not see prisoners returning unlike what I saw in civilian life as a corrections officer.In the US, 86% of releases return to prison in two to three years. Holding people accountable for criminal behavior is vital and fundamental for a free society to flurish. Letting criminals out early in order to avoid overcrowding IS the crime. Labor battalions, supervised community service, a sense of shame, public ridicule and just plain common sense is critical in order to keep the lunatics from running the asylum. #57 is far more elequant than I could ever be.
david laidlaw has been tried and found guilty of rape. No remorse shown no thought given to the victim who shall be traumatised for life through this sex maniac. He has no rights and is in the correct place ie the gaol. Only pity is that as part of his "treatment he has not been chemically castrated. That way women could feel a lot safer from such ogres.
As far as wanting out earlier rather than later this is simply a ploy by a lawyer lookin for a quick buck.
This guy got into trouble in the first place, by letting his "wee heid" do his thinking. Certainly it is only the "victims" word against him...BUT should he have gotten off? If he recognized reality, and showed he was" contrite"(whether he really was, or not)...he would probably be OUT on parol NOW.If he lacks common sense ..let him stay for his term.#18 Firozali A. Mulla....your PhD is in LAW, right?
When are we going to see a justice system that looks after the victims. Its time theses people were locked up untill they show remorse and then earn their way through a system that will start with hard work and work up to re-education before they are even considered for parole
You are a rapist, you don't have rights.what they should do is castrate you.
No-one except the two people involved can know for certain what happened in this case. Most of the people posting here are barbarians.
The victim of this rape will never forget what happened to her as long as she lives.Her wee boy was in the next room, for God's sake.Did the rapist think about Human Rights as he performed the rapes?
Castration would not solve anything for this b@stard nor or the other rapists and paedophiles either in or out of jail.They are of no use to society and ought to die.
43. black_dog / 1:52pm 10 Feb 2007 What about my human rights - my right to live my life without fear of attack from people such as them?
Spot on Black Dog !
65. IWright, Edinburgh / 7:06pm 10 Feb 2007 Most of the people posting here are barbarians.
No, they just hate seeing this kind of crap on a daily basis !
In the US the 14th amendment to the constitution gives people the right to a grand jury hearing on what they are charged with prior to a regular trial. Should the evidence suggest that a crime has been commited, then it is sent to a 12 man/woman trial jury.
What about the human rights of the victim? Why has our legal system become so obsessed with the so-called human rights of criminals? This man should be in prison for the rest of his life and parole shouldn't even be an option. He has ruined a woman's life and who says if he's released he won't do it again....
Castrated or impotent rapists continue to rape. They simply use weapons which can be even more dangerous, like screwdrivers. Rage at having been castrated is added to the hatred they already feel for women, whom they now blame for their castration or impotence. And like men who sexually abuse children, rapists can control themselves for years if they think it will benefit them in the long run. Incidentally,only about 3% of those accused are convicted, and women know how hard it is to prove rape, and how awful the judicial process is to face, especially when the outcome is likely to be that the woman's account proves nothing, and casts doubt on her integrity.
Does he not mean the European Courtship Humping Rights? If he's still cock led at his age he should be getting bromide on the NHS
May I suggest that these scumbags be taken on board a ship, into international waters,and flogged without mercy.What remains of them should then be dumped into the ocean......oh please! please! disregard the last sentance.The poor fish !the poor fish!
Having said that (no, I'm not a LibDem} campaigners want conviction percentages for alleged rapists upped. Would this be regardless of the truth? He doth protest his innocence. Is he?
So, a bad man does a nasty thing to a person and is imprisoned. Then, when they don't consider letting him out HALF WAY through his sentence, it's a breach of his rights? What about the rights of the person he's wronged?
Stories like this shouldn't even be in print. They bring attention to these idiots, and the idiots, who also happen to be hardcore criminals, need to be ignored. They've been taken out of society for a reason, after all.
This sort of case should also not end up in the courts. They are a waste of money and time for everyone and a drain on state resources.
i spent many years in prison for a crime i did commit.i never squealed about it and i think i got off light. in the old days i would have been hung.in the nick we had our own system of justice,if a paedophile or sexual molester came our way he was usually carried out feet first.they are the most hated by any crims,after all we have our relatives on the outside and we are not there to protect them.forget the ECHR they know nothing about justice,let this scumbag be handed over too the people,let them decide and carry out the punishment.
#2One we get Independence, we should RESIGN from the ECHR.
Don't make me laugh once Scotland gets independence it is going to get even worse.The SNP have every intention to signing away Scotland sovereignty to the europeans and you say get out of the ECHR.
What do the folks in Loanhead and district think about David Laidlaw getting out of gaol. It must give a feeling of fear and insecurity to know that a rapist will soon be allowed to prowl the streets looking for his next victim. Where is the justice that permits such perverts back into society with no consideration for the victims (and potential victims).
Jeez the number of people who spit their vitriol without thinking about what they are saying. This reptile can claim whatever rights he thinks he may have under the ECHR. It doesn't mean he is likely to be successful. In fact the parole board's decision not to allow parole will be upheld because there is no legitimate claim under human rights legislation in a case like this. To all of you who are making your morally outraged statements about the ECHR, I hope you do not have to be in the situation where you have to seek its protection. The fact is that it protects us all in a world where the scrutiny of the state is all pervading. For those of you who do not know the contents of The Human Rights Act, it states clearly that the rights of criminals can be infringed if there is a public protection issue evident. Because pondlife try to expolit it does not make it a bad Act. The fact that the media misrepresent the facts in a number of cases does ot make it a bad Act. The Act is not a prisoner's charter and the more people feed into the media hysteria with ill conceived comments, makes the world more unsafe for us all.
I seem to remember a Scottish judge whose favourite saying was"Aye, yer'e a clever chiel but ye'l be nane the worse for a hangin'Time you had another.The sooner the Scot's get out of the ECHR or whatever it is the better.There should be no Parole, full sentences should apply and no comforts like TV, phones etc.We had a couple here who raped and killed young girls. He was found watching Porn on his cell computer.Fortunately he committed suicide. Lengths of rope should be standard supply in each cell.
the solution - sentence him to twice as much time as is normal then when they let him out in 1/2 the time
he will have served what should have been the proper sentence. if time incarcerated is the proper sentence for such evil
I just hope, for the safety of the general public, that they keep him in.
If he is incapable of empathising with his victim then could he be transferred to a secure psychiatric unit on the grounds of illness and danger to the public?
#19 Friozali.
Hey Frio,Wots dat PhD mean .
Here in S.Cal it means Piled High in Dung
hey hey hey
Ave a nice day
some prisoners (rapists; child molesters; murderers) should not be eligible for parole
#83 Galactic Cannibal ...........Piled High in Dung? Here in Canada`s frozen North , that ONLY applies.... IF IT IS A "LAW" PhD.
#50 I'm with you on this. I'm usually a burn'em at the stake kinda guy, but it is unsettling that someone can be sent to jail on the word of an alleged victim. Unless there's convincing forensic evidence of some kind, this chap could be a simple sap, not the knife-wielding villain we're told.
BUT HERE'S WHAT REALLY GETS MY GOAT DAMMIT. If a false-accuser succeeded in having me sent to prison for something I didn't do, (1) I would certainly continue to maintain my innocence, (2) I would damn right be angry at my accuser, and (3) I sure as hell would not meekly submit to attending mind-numbing Politically Oh-So-Correct courses. These were the three key reasons given for refusing to grant him parole.
In other words, if perchance the guy's innocent, he gets another year in the slammer because he continues to proclaim his innocence.
No matter - I reckon no one is still following this thread at this hour.
(1) we see stories like this so often, because they are the ones the Scotsman decides editorially to run with. They give much less attention to the day to day denial of basic human rights, which the poor of this country are forced to endure on a regular basis, and with access to theoretical rights in practice blocked.
Among the rights which a convicted rapist has is the right to expect a fair sentence. Whether or not this criminal cherishes such a right, the rest of us do. It is a disgrace that such people are being released halfway through their sentence. The reason for this is because of our overcrowded jails - nothing to do with whether or not they are ready to re-enter society as reformed individuals- which this 'low-life' clearly is not.
