Well, interesting.

My edition of Scouting for Boys describes how to encase a hedgehog in clay and bake it in a fire but more to the point is the fact that barley bread is still eaten in Orkney and, I suspect, elsewhere.

Being a vegetarian, I don't see the difference between eating a hedgehog and say a rabbit or cow. They are all animals and they are made up of flesh and tissue which some people think is enjoyable to stuff in ones mouth. Personally I prefer a dead carrot or brocolli, but each to ones own.

#2 interesting, you say you are a vegetarian why not vegan???, do you eat only foods that are 100% free from animal products?

milk ......... calves are shot so that milk is not wasted on them, eggs very very very small % of egg production is completely humane and in any case a certain % of the layers have to be KILLED for biological survey to permit egg sales to public, fish, Oh to drown in fresh air!!, animal oils and fats used in biscuits, breads, sweets and other foodstuffs

Leather goods? wool, if it were not for lamb chops sheep would certainly NOT BE KEPT FOR WOOL alone,

The organic veges you eat do you KNOW FOR A FACT that the fileds they came from HAD ABSOLUTELY NO PEST CONTROL no rabbit snaring or gassing, no mole destruction.

When the fileds are ploughed do you know if the farmer carefuly relocates the hares, the ground nesting birds and the wee coorin timorous beasties?

You may try to be a vegetarian in mind but your food preference kills animals as well.

The Fly Fifer, Fife / 6:02am 14 Sep 2007

I hope that Scottishsponger thinks twice before opening his gob again! And next time he's guzzling on a milk shake he considers the poor calves that have been ripped screaming and bleating (do calves 'lo'?) from mammy's udders to be shot in the dead of night.

Morning Scottishsponger, a question? How do you know the carrot is dead? From my experience a dead carrot is one which is soft and going off. A nice fresh, crisp and crunchy carrot is very much alive, likewise potato, onion etc. Ever go into a barn full of stored potatoes ? You can feel the heat from them, you can feel that they are alive just waiting to burst and put down roots and up a stalk. This is very much life, so I suppose what you mean is that you don´t kill to eat certain types of life, well me too, I don`t eat humans, but pig, cow and maybe even hedgehogs, well that a different story.
Nice day to all.

Re Fish Stew - Carp weren't introduced into the UK until about 1540 so it is unlikely that our forefathers ever included it in their recipes

Nos. 2, 3, 4 & 5:- This is obviously a prickly subject.

Carper:- 1540? That would give plenty of time to fillet, cook and be ready for dinner about 8 o clock!

I was thinking more cheese and pickled onion mobile cocktail sticks.

Wow what a bunch of ignorant, un-educated morons we have on here today! To start with Fly Fifer, I am actually a vegan, but thought using that word may invoke even more lunatic ranting from the pro-death brigade and by defination veganism is a subgroup of vegetarianism. Therefore, I don't eat eggs, drink milk, or wear animal products of any description that I am aware of. Of course its hard to prove where everything came from, but I do try very hard. Finally your comment about farmed vegies. I actually grow all my own vegies in a vegie garden we have out here in Australia, its pretty easy, especially when you fertilise them with your own excrement from the enviro-cycle, they taste great by the way and are usually massive! Your last comment about my food preference killing animals as well is not only infantile and petty, but also completely incorrect, as I don't!
Rgeg, I don't drink milk, so would never indulge in any form of milkshake other than a soy milk variety so stop wasting your breath with pointless digs.
The Big Jocks comment is equally stupid, as everyone knows that vegetables do not have a central nervous system and until now no-one has proved that they feel anything when plucked out of the ground or eaten, so there is a (BIG) difference. I know I don't kill anything intentionally. The reason potatoes give off heat is due to their chemical make-up, same way you can power a light from one, not because they have a brain! Ha. I don't eat humans either, but don't see the difference to eating other forms of life. We don't need to eat meat in todays society, so the indulgence in it is purley that. Its not healthy, environmentally friendly or sustainable, and is the first step towards living a moral, ethical and sustianable existence on this planet. Now, I'm off for a vegie burger....

It takes about 10,000 litres of water to make one kg of beef. It only takes about 1000 litres of water to make the same amount of potatoes. The process of produing the tatties is far less damaging to the land.
The energy converted from those potatoes is far more efficient than the beef and obviously far less damaging to the enviroment. They are also better for our bodies and don't contribute to things like bowel cancer. Potatoes also taste better in my opinion are are so versatile, baked, roasted, shallots, croquets, chips, crisps, boiled......

When I was younger as part of a survival course I had to cook a hedgehog baked in mud it tastes not unlike pork worm omelettes are not to bad either when the needs arise. Well done the fly fifer on educating the Scottishsponger we will see if he/she becomes a vegan (give full conviction to their beliefs)

Good luck trying to find a live hedgehog these days, I haven't seen one for years since we were invaded by urban foxes.

Good for you Scottishsponger..

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=VIjanhKqVC4

Meet your meat.

Had a Roman recipe book years ago ... from Past Times in Edinburgh. Some of the recipes were great and that's how I met my partner ... at a Toga Party with themed food. I was Marcus Antonius, she was Livia ... and we got together through arguing over how to make Pancakes with Milk (Ova Sfongia Ex Lacte).

The Romans tended not to throw anything away and used all of the animal for various dishes.

#1 Navvy: you can't be serious. Surely [ten points will be lost to the first one to say: "don't call me Shirley"] the hedgehog would struggle its way out of the clay ?. Anyway I've never met anyone who could eat a whole hedgehog.

Scottish sponger,

Our bodies have alwats been designed for meat eating, you cannot get annoyed with people who are following their natural instincts to eat and enjoy meat!!!

always sorry

15....Boy wonder..and then after their disgusting debauchery they would trip off to the vomitarium and hurl their wonderful food to the floor...

Is it not the case that the human digestive system is poorly equipped to deal with cooked animal flesh??

They still eat raw horse meat in France...'Tartare' they call it...and donkey sausages..

#6 Don't talk carp. I think you'll find that the common carp was introduced by the Romans, who had buggered off well before 1540. (Incidently, I'm no genealogist, but I'm pretty sure I've had a few forefathers alive since then.)

10# Scottishsponger.
Actually, I think you'll find the correct term is Vegbianism. You're a Vegbian. And trust me, veggies do have souls. I know. I see dead veggies!

Diet wll ultimately be dictated by where you live. For example, it's quite hard for nomadic tribes of he sahara and sub sahara to growcrops in what is a desrt and b virtue of thier existance i.e. NOMADIC they cannot grow crops but ea meat istead.

Likwise, muh of Scotland is a desert of peat bog and heather. Not very suitable for gowing crops.

Think people, especially the urbanites.

Scottishsponger, Horrible Cankers esq,

Interesting video, a sad testament to certain aspects of human nature, but, not a reason to change our eating habits as omnivores........

As with most fanatical organisations peta show the extremes, and, the ignorant take them as gospel. Pun intended.

#19 -

"A popular misconception is that the Romans made use of a room called a vomitorium for the express purpose of vomiting between meals to make room for more food. A vomitorium is actually an entirely unrelated architectural feature – a passage situated below or behind a tier of seats in an amphitheatre, an exit through which the crowds could "spew out" at the end of a show."

The human digestive system also copes with vegetables badly - kernels of sweet corn, for example, can pass straight through. Amazing what you see when you look...

31. Montford's Jaicket

"The human digestive system also copes with vegetables badly - kernels of sweet corn, for example, can pass straight through. "

I have no doubt you recycle them!

#19. HC ... sorry no vomitorium ... we usually went on to the final item on the menu ... the orgy!! :)

Why was the recipe for roast hedgehog omitted?

24....ah but they are gospel mate...one of my brothers friends worked in an abattoir...the abuse the animals (living sentient beings) received is deplorable...I could tell you some but what would be the point cos you aint interested...long may PETA keep exposing animal abuse..which leads to prosecutions...and people being sacked (hopefully)...I would prefer it if these animals were treated with respect and compassion before they went to their deaths and cannot shrug it off as easily as you do....they are after all ending up in your belly and sustaining your life...we should at least be ensuring their welfare until their deaths. Is that really too much to ask?

31...Interesting about the vomitatium...I rather liked the original idea of Roman debauchery but there you are...we live and we learn....dont see the problem with corn kernels passing right out though...if it aint blocking it aint shocking...and personally...I prefer not to look....puts me off my grub..know whit I mean?

Aren't these the very same recipes that podgy Essex-bloke TV chef Jamie Oliver has used to reduce the demand for school meals by 30% in England ?

well yes, veganism holds the moral high ground, tell that to the myriads of carnivorous lifeforms on this planet and see if they care, P.S. and ask them if they buy Fairtrade. Morality does not come into this, suffering IS life, there will NEVER be life devoid of suffering, so enjoy living in the fantasy of holier than though land mr/mrs Fairtrade man/woman.

Well i just had to post the above cause of the prats that bring decrepid morality onto the subjrct. R.I.P to you all.

Get it right up ye.

In reply to "Methalions" (above), Oooh i ett a spongecake last night and it screamed, last night i ate a jammy dodger and it cried out for it's bairn. ha, ha , ha, the jam ran down my jowl like blood and i laughed as it screamed.

GO AWAAAAAAY!!!!!

The coriander in the recipe got me. Indigenous for 2000 years bc to scotland, perhaps?

We are omnivors for a reason, for God's sake. (That's except for vegetarians - a new age invention)

The only reason the veggie brigade exists is because of prolonged peace and an abundance of supermarkets.

In a war situation when we're all all getting back to our survival diet they'd be the first to want a mouthful of animal stew.

That's because all vegetarians are biological omnivors.

Human vegetarians, that is.

Its called choice.