What if someone is just really ugly. I'm not being offensive. I'm just posing a possibility ... what if a person was just naturally ugly ... how would this scanner work with that??

#1 you are leaving yourself wide open for some ugly comments:)

#2. Probably ... but I think it's a valid question.

Happily, I am similar to Brad Pitt according to my partner and she is neither, dumb, deluded, blind or confused. You'll just have to take my word for it! :)

#3 I love you already. I was always crazy about Richard Widmark until Brad came on the scene:)

Most people instinctively have scanning built into their natural instincts. This is why we can tell the Alexanders are constantly telling us porkies and should not be believed.

Thats Natural Science!

I am gonna boak!

#6 Why? are you ugly! :)

#6- I can't stop laughing. I haven't heard or read that word in years. I was just teasing you:)

Can it be used to detect the glaikit or those born without gorms?

#9 They'd have to scan all of the New Labour numpty party to check that one.

Gordon is going to introduce language tests for jobs.

that will prempt against a lot of Glaswegians. What a place for a call centre.

Dampt cheek against Weegie call centres.

"Hullawtherr". "Whitdaeyewaant?"

Apparently, this will be combined with other technologies, allowing them to spot terrorists with genetic illnesses in our airports.

If you walk through any town you can spot them,you don't know what it is but apparently now we do

wow, 15 posts and no mention of the SNP - that's got to be a first

#16 SNP. There, are you happy now?

Is this the same as the bogus science that claimed it could tell crims by the bumps on their heids?
The poor sowels is the photie look like they could all use a good sleep.

Aye - phrenology.

Shame on Richard Sadler, using the words "normal" and "abnormal" to differentiate children with genetically inherited diseases or conditions. What is "normal", can he tell us?!!! If you suffered from one of these conditions, or were the parent of a child suffering from such a disease, would you like to be called "abnormal" or allow someone to label your child "abnormal"?

I know some people are using this article as a joke but I know someone with Williams syndrome and strangely enough to a fellow sceptic this person does look very like the picture. If Downs syndrome has distinct characteristics is it not possible that others do too. If this is the case with developments in fetal scanning in pregnancy there could be time to prepare the family and make provisions for help before the baby is born.

Just think Boy Wonder #3 - with this system they might have caught it in time - nobody should have to go through life resembling a file star

3....Is her name Angelina Jolie by any chance?...

11...I do not believe that Autistic/Aspergers people can always be diagnosed by their looks...I know a few people who are Aspergers, perhaps it is only their body language that gives them away...but then again, I think that also depends on the level of their condition..

20...I really hate this term being used in relation to children...there is something quite cruel and inhuman about it....it says something about human nature as it is quite devaluing....

Come back phrenology, all is forgiven.

The general standard of response to this article is really quite depressing. Presumably nobody sensitive or intelligent is reading this early.

It's got nothing to do with being ugly - it's about being able to identify sets of characteristics which tend to identify specific disadvantageous genetic conditions.
The reason for wishing to identify them asap is in order to provide appropriate help to the child and its family asap.

#1 - Handsome IS as handsome DOES. Think I'd give YOU a wide berth.

22. I don't think they said that they can diagnose in this way all conditions that it might be best for parents to know about. But there's no doubt that some such conditions are visible in the face. The US custom of giving Down's Syndrome people cosmetic surgery IMHO doesn't help them. If they behave as Down's Syndrome people do but don't look like it the behaviour is going to get misinterpeted - unpleasant or dangerous sexual situations or violence become more likely.

On a more general note - aren't our characters written on our faces anyway? We all have genetically predetermined traits - haven't people always been able to tell a lot about what other individuals are like just by looking at their faces?

Anything that helps diagnose serious conditions is a boon - as long as it is used wisely - problem is lazy public servants take shortcuts - witness the "Take free school meals? You must be thick" style of judging whole sections of society

This all looks very much like German 1930`s Science. Eichman anyone.

My son has Asperger's syndrome and is a very handsome chap.
He was always by far the cutest kid in the nursery and I have the photos to back it up!

Not sure about you, Brad - I can think of a few nicer looking guys than Brad without breaking sweat....
As to his character, well, now that's another thing - I think his behaviour speaks for itself!

Perhaps looks aren't everything and, as a previous poster said, it isn't good or bad looks that are the point anyway.

24) Don't worry about it, I've given up. This generally happens with responses to scientific matters, people who have little understanding of science, wish to state an opinion on scientific matters, as they do with most subjects but mask their ignorance behind misplaced humour, without giving any thought to the benefits science can bring. It's still a case of eccentric boffins researching into things untrained people feel uncomfortable with, and don't think they can understand. I write this full in the knowledge that I will be accused of lacking a sense of humour, by those who know no better.

#10 Guga II, Why when you already know the answer????

Miss Lorry Driver, you beat me to it, really is not the appropriate term. Oh i've come over all pc, most uncomfortable.

Okay, own up. Who amongst us have elongated faces and protruding ears?

Boy Wonder.....

#34. Why are you asking me? How would I know? Is it your husband/boyfreind/dog or is Charlie Windsor on these forums to escape Horsey for an hour or two?????

#33. File star? Got me there, mate!!

#24. Take as wide a berth as you need. People with big bahookies tend to need to. Go on a diet ... eventually you'll be able to take slim berths!

#3. Sorry HC. While my partner says I look similar to Brad, she is nothing like Angelina Jolie. As far as I'm concerned, my lady is in a class of her own ... but there is a similarity to Diana Rigg in her Emma Peel days.

Yowza!!!

26. Dancer, Edinburgh

My niece has grown up undiagnosed with Fetal Alchohol Syndrome.
http://www.nofas-uk.org/PDF/BMA%20REPORT%204%20JUNE%20200...

She is actually quite pretty but has very low self esteem.
This condition is caused by the mother drinking during pregnancy and is incurable.

When she was born the nurses joked that the baby's good colour was due to the amount of red wine her mother had drunk the night before going into labour.

Behavioural symptoms include: inability to relate to groups or to maintain friendships, disruptive behaviour, inability to relate to the results of their own actions, dishonesty, inappropriate sexual behaviour, tendencies to substance abuse, poor money skills, and low self esteme. Quite a 'cocktail'.

This poor girl has gone as far as her teens before being diagnosed inspite of repeated sessions with the shrink, and being excluded from several schools as a result of her disruptive behaviour.

At one point it was suggested that she might have some form of autism, which can present in similar ways to FAS.

Her parents have split up over her behaviour and to this day her mother has no idea what her binge drinking during pregnancy has done to her daughter.

Had we known about the facial characteristics of this condition, or the condition itself for that matter, then huge bouts of misery all round might have been avoided.

It's all well and good having a laugh but this kid is now pregnant to a man with prison time for domestic abuse and violence to a previous partner and child because, as she says, he was the best she could hope to get.

She hasn't got the faintest idea what she's been doing wrong and her parents have been driven to their wits end wondering why inspite of all their efforts their daughter is out of control.

If this was a boy it would be easy to label

Please explain why it is offensive to use the term "abnormal" when talking about something that is actually anatomically an abnormality? That's taking PC to ridiculous levels. It is an abnormality. That's the term. What would you say instead, chromosomally challenged?

If it was one of my boys, I would be pleased about the potential to save their life, not pedantically whining about the use of a correct term. It's not derogatory in any way, these conditions are caused by an abnormality. End of.

24. MA
Spot on!
see #36 above.

This sounds like another phrenology to me...

39. sazz, Edinbra

Would you say Downs Syndrome was phrenology?
Check the link to FAS.
http://www.nofas-uk.org/PDF/BMA%20REPORT%204%20JUNE%20200....

I have no idea but I'd be willing to bet that an awful lot of those 'wild' kids running uncontrolled about our streets could possibly have some degree of FAS and might be able to be given help if the condition was recognised by the syndrome's typical facial characteristics.

37....Emm Dee...Then I am to assume that you are in the fortunate position that it is not one of your boys...perhaps if you were and someone in the street were to say...'Here look at that kid...he must be abnormal by the looks of him'...it might be a different story...

Or perhaps you also find it 'normal' for children to use the term 'abnormal' towards other children...it is after all, acceptable is it not?

I have no children...maybe some other parents might like to comment on this?

Yes it is the correct label that is used, but even labels are changed..ie 'Handicapped' to 'Disabled'...I cringe when I hear the term 'Handicapped' as I think it sends out the wrong image and message re disabled people.

#20 . . .
Normal is a statistical number that can be measured in which the majority of subjects fall. Abnormal are, in this case, those that fall outside (above or below) those statistical numbers. What makes a person "abnormal" is where they fall in the measurements. There is nothing offensive about it.
If you have the slightest bit of education, and I guarantee you the parents of any of these "abnormal" children have an education they probably never wanted in a topic they never dreamed of, you would understand that and the meaning of the word. I doubt seriously these parents worry about semantics when their children are having problems that could easily be addressed if diagnosed properly.

Please no longer allow your desire for political correctness (a concept enforced by Hilter and other demonic leaders, by the way) to muddy the importance of this discovery. 90% accuracy is HUGE and should not be overlooked for of fear of "insulting" someone with a single word. Get over it!!

#37
OK, Emm Dee - if you happen to have feet which are longer than anyone else your age, or you have some other "anatomical" difference, we will call you abnormal. Wouldn't you be offended?

There's nothing "PC" about pointing out how these poor children might feel when they understand what they are being called. Yes, they may well be "chromosomally challenged". Calling them "special" is a far kinder thing to say when referring to such individuals than to call them "abnormal".

And to answer your final comment about it being one of your boys, I do happen to have two sons who suffer from one of these conditions mentioned in today's press. We did not have the opportunity to determine early on in their lives what caused them to have learning difficulties and a host of other problems. Nevertheless we would not change them for the world, nor am I "whining" about the use of a correct term. Such comments ARE derogatory, pure and simple. In spite of their difficulties, our boys are far nicer people than some of those who commented on this article. How many were school bullies?

Thank you #24 and #30.

41. Horrible Cankers esq
Curved spine is abnormal.
No philtrum is abnormal
Deformed fingers is abnormal.
Normal is normal not normal is abnormal.

If you are uncomfortable with that then you are the one with the problem.

Whatever label you care to use then kids and cruel individuals will use that term and it will become unacceptable.

Spastic is now a recognised term of abuse as is spaz and not for polite conversation.
I remember collecting for the Spastics Society as a kid, putting little envelopes through letterboxes.

Even 'challenged' is now becoming unaceptable in some circles.

Bottom line is that it's not the words themselves but how they're used and those using them that are offensive.

PLEASE!! Do not insult our collective intelligence when your article includes AUTISM as if it is a genetic disease!? The meteoric rise in Autism in the last 30 years suspiciously parallels on a chart with the same meteoric rise in infant vaccinations, but according to the the great pharmas of the world this has nothing to do, one with the other. Well, as they say, YEAH RIGHT!!!

But it is the condition that is being called abnormal, not the people. People can be very cruel, it would be vile to point and say that someone was abnormal, but I don't see how it is offensive to say that someone has an abnormality when it is being used in a clinical context. The article does not state that it can identify abnormal children, it can identify conditions that arise from abnormalities.

I think "special" is incredibly condescending. Terms are only offensive when used offensively. By using the correct terminology it defines the condition and allows understanding. Understanding leads to acceptance.

I worked with RNIB for a couple of years and while the PC brigade refer to "visual impairment" those who have this impairment refer to themselves as "blind", the supposedly offensive term.

And yes, I have children and they have been screened for certain abnormalities. I didn't get upset when they tested for these abnormalities, I was concerned by the results. Had they said that either of my children had abnormalities, it would be the condition that concerned me, not the name.

41 Horrible Cankers, esq, & 44 livilion; the problem with 'euphemism', the technical term for calling something something else for reasons of niceness or PCness, such as 'challenged' for 'disabled' for 'handicapped' for 'crippled' or as over here in the Land of the Free 'person of color' for 'black' for 'Negro' for 'colored' person' (!) is that as soon as people figure out what a euphemism means, you have to change it! The week after homosexuals adopted the term 'gay', the leading school playground taunt across our land became 'Gay!'

My neice has Aspergers...her parents are aghast at the suggestion that she is 'abnormal'...it distances her even further from other children and sticks a label on her that may inhibit her progress in life...she is already very shy and timid...if she were to realise that she was 'abnormal'..what damage could that cause to her fragile confidence?

Anybody who is totally normal is abnormal! (And probably very boring.)

As for ugliness, according to the research I have read, we are hard-wired to regard people who look as if they will produce physically healthy children as beautiful. So maybe nobody is just ugly - the ugly have defective genes. But but lots of them might have brilliant brains.

#45 there is no link, the person who suggested it has been discredited. If you look at all the facts, the meteoric rise in conjunction with vaccinations is mythical and it remains true that giving a child a safe and well tested drug is far safer than giving no vaccination or a less well tested one.

#46
I think if you read the article, it says "The differences in the features of normal and abnormal children are often so subtle..." That definitely refers to children as being abnormal, not their conditions.

A child who is told he is "special" will respond far more positively than one who is told he is "abnormal", don't you think? Then again, if you haven't been in that position, you wouldn't have a clue..... I am not an advocate of political correctness, I am merely a mother of two very special sons. There, I've said it again.

Count your blessings, Emm Dee.

Emm Dee....
'It's not derogatory in any way, these conditions are caused by an abnormality'

I find your thinking to be naive in the extreme

'if it was one of my boys'

well it is one of my children.... at age 29 she has striven all her life to prove to the world that in spite of her physical and mental abnormalities she is actually 'normal'. Having suffered horrendous psychological bullying (not to mention the physical bullying) because she went through the state education system labelled as a 'special needs' child, she is now a very successful legal cashier, inspite of having left school (and home!) at age 16, never having passed an exam in her life.

She still has her 'abnormalities', but woe betide anyone who every intimates that she's in any way 'abnormal' for she has formidable strength of character and will leave them looking for a hole to crawl into after she's finished wiping the floor with them!

It most certainly is a derogatory term for those on the receiving end of others ignorant insensitivity.

Remember when you were a teenager perhaps? And just having spots on your face made you feel like a freak? Well imagine that feeling magnified about 10,000 fold, and knowing that unlike spots, your difficulties are going to be there for the duration of your life.......
and that everytime a new boyfriend enters your life you have to start all over again plucking up courage to tell him about your hidden abnormalities, and about how you are not all you might seem to be and why you've never been able to know what it's like to feel fully like a normal female....and that just the half of your difficulties....

then give thanks every day of your life that you aren't similarily 'abnormal'!!

#52

Well said! Hope something got through to those who can't or don't understand.

Oh......... how many times to I need to say that there is a world of difference between referring to an abnormality and referring to the person as abnormal???????????????????

That is where PC goes nuts. Of course it is wrong to refer to a person as abnormal, but it is not wrong to refer to their chromosomes as abnormal in a clinical sense. As someone said, "normal" in this case is measurable.

lol Mrs LD...

as I've always taught my daughter...

what happens, happens.....but how you deal with it is everything! And.... life isn't fair... life just is...and how you deal with it and what you put into it, is what determines the quality of your experience of life.
;)

Ok, rephrase that sentence, the one that quite clearly refers to "children with an genetic abnormality" when it says abnormal children so that it doesn't sound idiotic. Normal children = those without an abnormality. It doesn't advocate pointing at anyone in the street or excluding them from mainstream education, it defines them simply as children that have a condition that is not present in what is measurably "normal".

That is entirely different from treating someone as different or lesser or in any way "abnormal" as a person.

Let's not forget that 'normal' is only quantifiable by its relation to the 'abnormal'.. neither of which are fixed in stone anyway...
so without 'abnormality' there can't be even any semblance of a so called 'normality'
which is kinda like saying that the 'normal' need the 'abnormal' in order to be 'normal'
so I could extrapolate that to saying that without the 'abnormal', normality would cease to exist,
so taking that one stage further....the 'normal' owe their existence to the 'abnormal', and,
as such, the 'normal' owe the 'abnormal' a rather huge debt of gratitute, and should give thanks for the 'abnormal' in life accordingly
:D

'Normal children = those without an abnormality. It doesn't advocate pointing at anyone in the street or excluding them from mainstream education, it defines them simply as children that have a condition that is not present in what is measurably "normal". '

What is measurably normal? How does one define the parameters of a 'normal' child? If a normal child = one without abnormalities, what are the parameters for abnormality?

Who decides? the parent? the child itself? the neighbour? the teacher? the doctor? the theologian? the statictian? the govt? the security sevices maybe? Maybe a collective concensus depending on the prevailing educational or socio-economic or theological trends? Heaven above! What a minefield... who would venture their sanity in trying to decide?

And then... what place left for the wonderful eccentrics who add colour to life, or the somewhat 'not quite normal' artists like Van Gogh or Rothko.. or Beethoven ...or for the 'not quite normal' scientists who give us so much more from the world of science, like Einstein who was so dyslexic he had to have help to do all his basic maths before he could get to the pure abstract maths at which he was a whizz, and the innovators like the 'not quite normal' president dyslexic Abraham Lincoln? And Helen Keller, Douglas Bader etc etc etc

LONG MAY THOSE BLESSED WITH DEVELOPMENTAL, GENETIC, OR AQUIRED 'ABNORMALITIES' OF MIND, BODY AND/OR SPIRIT CONTINUE TO BE BORN AND THRIVE!!

For without them, society let alone the arts and sciences would not be as they are.

I can see how this would be a great tool which could speed up the diagnosis process in people with genetic abnormalities (I'm referring to the genetics here as abnormal, not the people). It shouldn't and won't be the only tool, but would give doctors a better direction in which to focus their attention. That would be a great benefit to parents and children who need answers in order to start treatments and/or therapy in a timely fashion.

As for the causes of Autism, I think time will show that there are many causes......genetic, vaccinations, and pollutants in the environment. We eat all kinds of things that are in/on our food. Our air is polluted with many dangerous things. Water supplies are so polluted with so many chemicals and medicines in it that it's hard to label it water. The human body was never meant to take in so many chemicals, and I truly believe the pollution is the cause of many diseases including Autism, Alzheimers and other senility related diseases, cancer, Fibromyalgia.....the list could go on and on. Autism is not the only disease which has "bloomed" in recent years.

There is no mention of Autism in this article - they are talking about Fragile X - which can have similarities to Autism, but is not Autism - Some kids get misdiagnosed with Autism when it is really Fragile X and vice versa.

"more common conditions such as autism" - Autism should not have been used here - many (actually most) people who have Autism look the same as any other typically developing person.

Eejits!

#40

I hope #20 doesn't have a child with a disability!

"I doubt seriously these parents worry about semantics when their children are having problems that could easily be addressed if diagnosed properly."

DO YOU?

YOU MAY BE SURPRISED THAT PARENTS DO WORRY ABOUT SEMANTICS - AFTER ALL "ABNORMAL" IS STATISTICALLY 5% OUT OF THE NORMAL BELL SHAPED CURVE OF NORMALITY - ABNORMAL IS THE MOST DISCRIMINATING WORD EVER USED TO DESCRIBE A CHILD/PERSON1

WHY DON'T WE JUST SAY ATYPICAL?

#42 SORRY

£)#
No Arthur, but maybe intellectual snb.

Interesting comments.

I have a friend whose mom drank too much and he has widely spaced teeth (I think this is one of the traits of fetal alcohol syndrome). His father died likely of drug overdose, he told me. He's so intelligent I told him I would pay for his Mensa test if he wanted to join. (He's an orphan essentially and still poor.) He may have some health problems that he needs to address while he is relatively young. This article reminds me to get looking into nutritional help. Some people have obstacles from their birth. The proper application of science can help them deal with their situation.

It's long been my contention that all people have facial features that separates us into certain groups. Not necessarily groups of illnesses but distinct genetic groups.

Scientist should try to use this machine to divide society into sub-groups based on facial similarities and then test the groups of people to see what else might be similar; IQ, tastes, personalities, skills, athleticism etc... This might open doors for all types of cures or future predictions of health.

Yes, #65 - I have heard about your contention. I was at a truck stop outside Van Horn, Texas, last month and that was all they were talking about - Wolverb's Theory of Facial Features.

I think you're on to something, here.

Maybe you should submit it for peer review and see if the Lancet or the NEJM might pick it up?

You never know, there might be a Nobel Prize in it for you?

Everyone could use an extra $1,000,000 - even in Texas.

#58 being deliberately obtuse and completely missing the point...

Normal in this case CAN be measured, because chromosomes are a known entity. Deviating from the norm can be classed as abnormal, because that is the basis for diagnosis and treatment. The sociological implications of being "normal" or not are not exactly relevant when diagnosing a condition. Not classing it as abnormal is treading a very fine line before not treating someone because that defines them as different.

The points you make are extremely valid from the point of view of understanding, acceptance and society, but I'm sorry, this is the sort of attitude that causes serious problems. Noone here has suggested in any way that these children are lesser in any way, that they should be treated differently at all. It has merely defined something that may be wrong with them in an attempt to offer treatment and a better quality of life. If that's offensive then the world's gone bananas.

Would this work with horses? Why the long face?

#58 SEEing
#67 Emm Dee

What a bonny baby, the nurses said her lovely colour must've been due to all that red wine her mother and aunt put away on the night her mother went into labour.

Mum's the life and soul of any party, she doesn't let being pregnant stop her from enjoying life. Pregnancy's not an illness you know.

Everyone's just wondering how do we get the wee one to join in the company, isn't it odd that she never crawls but just slides along on her backside?

A pretty wee girl but you can't chastise her because two minutes later it's as if the conversation never took place.

She's lovely but look at the state of her spine it's 'S' shaped, sideways, and now it's also protruding.
What must she be getting teased like at school?
Apparently Princess B has the same thing, lots of young girls suffer from this but the doctor's not sure what to do about it.

You know she's been excluded again for bullying at school and at home you can't get her to talk, she's so shy.

She's been sent to the doctor to find out why she's misbehaving.

They can't understand it, when asked what she thinks of her parents: she hates her mum, no explanation:
she hates her dad, no explanation.
'Usually' kids will give you chapter and verse on why everyone is so unfair.

What can you do she's mixing with a bad lot at school, and now things are starting to go missing from the house?

It's not like she's from a poor home or she's been denied anything she ever asked for.

What do you think of that? the specialist looking at her spine was just an ordinary doctor who knew nothing about spinal deformities. All these years wasted.

They're finally going to put her into the Sick Kids and put metal rods to hold her spine straight, here's hoping it works. The poor thing is in awful pain with that back. She never complains.

Now she's been excluded from another school and she's getting mixed up with drugs an

# 6 or anyone else that might know.
Whats a BOAK?

Good oppertunity to expand my word power here.

phre·nol·o·gy [ fr? nóll?jee ]

noun

Definition:

study of bumps on skull: the study of the bumps on the outside of the skull, based on the now discredited theory that these bumps reflect somebody's character

WOW ,,I guess you might be in trouble if you got checked by this modern marvel after a good knock down drag out at the Bar (pub) huh? ,,,,,,,,,LOL

#70 Puke

To number 6 ...I just had the best laugh about a word I have not heard for a long time...boak....you are toooo...funny.
To number 70....Boak mean to want to be sick....but to hear a Scot say it...it is hilarious....I should know....I am one...but a transplant to the USA...
Love to read all these comments from ma ain folks....

Has anybody seen the movie "Gattaca?" I didn't actually read all the comments, so I don't know if anyone else referred to this. Every time they come up with a new way to label people, I think about this film. (Uma Thurman, Ethan Hawke, Jude Law?) It was a good film. I get queasy about this kind of thing. I live in America, where the entire medical system is run by Godless pharmaceutical companies, and even more Godless insurance companies, who only heal people for PROFIT! This kind of labelling can be really harmful. What if kids are misidentified as being challenged in some way? I guarantee you that these "worst case scenarios" always happen sooner or later. For God's sake, just don't share this information with insurance companies!

#72 & #73
Thankx Ya All,, Now I understand. Same as,,,
Barff, Up-chuck, Blow chow.

Ya All gotta admit I really catch on to this technical stuff pretty fast.

LMAO

Why do people always assume medical developments will be used for evil or elitist purposes? The purpose of identifying these conditions is not so that the children can be marked as genetically impure, it's so that they can receive the relevant treatment.

Is there a general consensus that we should all pretend that these conditions aren't there so that the child "feels" normal? Is that not incredibly cruel? If you deny that they are different, how do you explain that they can't do things, or that they're sickly? Surely if the child can say "I have X", a name, something to identify that it's not just that they're lazy or stupid, that they can get help for it makes things easier for them, for the condition doesn't go away. I don't believe they are going to be stamped with "abnormal" and not allowed to integrate, they will merely be aware of their condition and thus have access to any treatment or assistance they may need.

It's because you're special dear.
What does special mean mummy?

I think this is a great medical idea. I am totally for it but, and do not read me wrong, it is a darn good thing computers and these programs were not available for Hitler and his cronies!! It is too bad but things for good can, in the end, be adapted for a wrong cause. With this being said let us not lose track that with progress advantages will always outpace disadvantages.

To Boak is not to Barff, Up-chuck, Blow chow...it is the pre-barf, the pre up-chuck...it is the gaggin' or 'dry-boak' before you say hi to 'Hughie' or 'Ralph' - just to get things straight!

Double scotch, Richard Widmark, yes, and I am straight male.
This is different then from phrenology in being true,I take it.
This should help the youth.
Would we have early detection to help people in other ways!