Feminism made British women unattractive to British men. Fortunately cheap air travel to Asia exposed British men to the more fashionable Asian women who were more than willing to take up the slack. Face it Brit Chicks, you've marginalised yourselves. Any British man encountering the better class of Asian women has got to be thinking; "This is like going to heaven without going through that distasteful process of dying." Of course for a few, 100% Caucasian children is a requirement written in stone, but that won’t be sufficient to divert the UK branch of the Caucasian race from the path to subsumption.

I'm hoping the post content increases in quality here when the lucid join in after resting their brains overnight. People who stay up this late are right smackers.

2. Jason I take it you are still paying for your mail order bride? Get a life!!

Bruce Leith, if your only answer to someone else's point of view is to insult them, you haven't really got an answer!

Feminism is dead for most women today, says its high priestess
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In my country the USA this so-called -feminism has been out of style for 40 years . So I read in the LA times.

Here in the USA the woman wears the trousers.
And the man lays on the couch watching Monday Nite Football eating Pizza and guzzling bud light .

DoHHHH !!!!!

GC

The problem with feminism is that it became associated with sexual liberation. But listen to some of the younger males talk about free loving girls today and it harks back to a proto-19th early 20th century view of women who indulge outside marriage as slags, tarts &c. Since the eighties Britain has acquired people from cultures whose views would very definitely not be sympathetic to the early ambitions of people like Germaine Greer. Some things haven't changed at all: industries such as the transport sector are still dominated by men and women themselves pressure each other to "fulfill" their natural being by having children. It's the money angle, with profit in ensuring women are obsessed with fashion, girly careers, and presentation rather than character, innovation and substance, that has taken the steam out of the feminist crusade. Ironically, the bias introduced into the movement by the likes of Greer has been its downfall.

there's a lot of serious folk out there. come on. it's monday morning and it looks like raining [hang on. that's the wife asking if i want my usual monday morning breakfast].

Well if we leave aside the nonsense rantings of Jason from Japan this could be a very interesting debate. There certainly has been a very clever, insidious campaign against feminism for some time now. Look at the sexualisation of popular music since the 80s as a perfect example of 'training' young women as to their supposed place in the world. There was also, as mentioned by a previous poster, a deliberate campaign to link feminism with lesbianism. The inference being if you were a feminist you must hate men and therefore be a lesbian. What rot - as for 'masculinism' sorry mate I hadn't noticed the same discrimination against men and therefore don't see what you point is unless of course you would like to fight for equal pay with women oh yes thats mean less money so I guess not??

What does she know ? she's only a woman.

To be honest though we now have at least one child bearing generation that have never known inequality really.

Girls and boys brought up with the same chancees and opportunity, guys with little knowledge of sexism, girls not knowing the gulf between the sexes.

I don't think it has led to an over feminisation of guys, they appear to be fairly normal (can't help genetics) and girls still appear to be nice caring people.

With that in mind, the story can be put to bed. The last of the mysogenists are leaving the building so can we please move on and stop harping on about inequality?

Nature and nature only, was to blame for the gap that existed between men and women. There used to be a time when men and women had specific roles, both respected the roles that each played and that was it. But because men were physically sronger, they took the dominant role in society and were the trend setters and innovators who built economies and infrastructures. Eventually, due to the change in the dynamic of social structures, women started to voice their opinions and demanded equality. They wanted a piece of the pie that the men had built, and rightly so, for without the support of women in their roles as mothers and housekeepers, there would be no structure to speak of. Today we live in a world in which women and men compete in business, and that is the way it should be. But the consequences of that change in dynamic will result in more broken homes, more anti social behaviour among children, there will be an increase in illiteracy, schools will suffer disruption from angry youngsters, the family strucutre will change from a mum and dad to a mum or a dad, there will be an increase in juvenille alcoholism, drugs and other distasteful vices. The family structure has been changed forever, women now play different roles in society and there is no going back. So whilst its fantastic that women are out there competing for positions of power with men, it will come at a price.

and in the alternative utopia this would never happen of course?, what is this? some Jehovas witness advert Mr Media? No two parent family with a stay at home mother bring up a juvenile criminal eh?Please open your eyes and realise that there are other reasons for the breakdown of society rather than mother's who work, how about drugs, alcohol, cultural influences, poverty and abuse?

Ah women! Doncha love 'em?

#15 Mary the goat: I agree, I am not blaming anyone, I am not suggesting that women stay at home and be mums and housemakers. I am all for women doing whatever they want in business, when they want. I am all for women being equal in every aspect of society. I am not suggesting women are to blame for anything.

I am simply saying, that nature intended that women have babies and look after the home front. Somewhere along the way that all changed, and women now serve a new role in society. Thats cool, but with that shift will come consequence!

Its like Lions, there is a strucutre, but if the female lions decide that they are going to seek better rights and eat before the males, then there will be consequence, and the young will suffer the consequences. Simple really, there is no blame though, its life.

Not a lot of women posting on this forum are there?

Women my age don't want to be associated with it, men my age despise it, It'll die with the generation who created it.

No 19 so you read the same way I read, thank you
I mean the president of India is a lady but the workload and the economy etc is run by the prime minister. So what is the lady's role? I do not know about this. Reminds of other part of the world in Arab a land where there is a kingdom and the parliament is made up of the family. But there is democracy. Bet on that KSA is Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. A kingdom but USA says it is democracy. So I am not surprised at the lady doing the none posting today. May be they are in the supermarkets trying to buy the lipsticks made in China.

I think fay weldon shouldn't worry her pretty little head about difficult things like political struggles. its mens work at the end of the day.

but seriously, theres very little feminine about feminists. i think people like fay weldon have through their 'feminist' struggle actually lost sight of what is sexy and beautiful about being female. and in exactly the same way the men that allow themselves to be controlled by feminists have lost all their masculinity, and therefore anything natural and beautiful about who they are too. whats wrong with yin and yang? the attraction of opposites? male and female? fay weldon and her ilk have made the world a boring, sterile and fruitless place.

Women CAN be feminine and sexy AND still be able to do it all and have it all. If you want a job well done do not send a man to do it. A truely liberated woman would NOT want to be equal to a man (men have caused most of the world's problems) except for not receiving equal pay, Men want to destroy by causing wars while women want to nuture.

# 14 If you take your remarks from "Will result in more broken homes,more antisocial etc".scroll down and read the rest.
Unfortunately it is no longer in the future.
All you write is firmly here with us already.
I don't think it can all be laid at feminism door but I'm quite sure that it was a major contributer.
Interestingly enough #1s comments were very near the mark.
When I lived and worked in Singapore and Indonesia,frequently the moan from females coming from the UK,and other feminised societies were they couldn't get a boyfriend.
The UK men were much more attracted to the far prettier more petite much less opinionated Asian girls,and the local men felt intimidated by their generally aggressive and overbearing manner.
One of their main downfalls if they did get a date with a local, was insisting on paying half for everything.
To a Singaporean it was that she was suggesting he didn't earn enough to entertain her.
A terrible loss of face
She would then be bewildered as to why no follow on date materialised.

Sorry not #1 #2s comments

'feminism' ...another rubrik used by the authorities to drive a wedge between people.

The women who entertain this twisted 'ism' really don't have an i.q. worth metioning.

I was not at that talk – so can only comment on the report, but I do not agree that feminism is dead in Britain. Like other prejudices (racism, anti-gay and ageism) sexism has gone underground and still exists as an insidious threat to any women’s success in life.

I firmly believe that the original misogynists existed out of sheer ignorance and they really did not know any better and their views were pretty entrenched - many of the old misogynists are literally dying off, or just accepting what are new truths for them.

The danger now is that the new misogynists are here and I think are more dangerous than the old misogynists. They know the score and know how to work the system. I unfortunately witnessed a ‘new misogynists’ in action when he recruited a less experience male over a woman (of childbearing age) who was retuning to full-time work after her first child and a period of part-time employment. He cited that part-time employment only counted as half the amount of experience. Therefore, it all looked above board on the equal opportunity form.

I don’t believe that not all men are B*^t*r£ misogynists – I am married to a part-time house-husband, and I now work for an organisation that allows flexible working hours and working at home for all.

I think most reasonable people agree with the original premise of feminism: Equal opportunity for men and women alike. That goal has long since been achieved in the West so what are women moaning about?

If your biggest cross to bear is the relative position of the toilet seat or the imaginary pay gap, your movement has run out of useful things to say. This must be why modern feminists seek to portray all men as rapists and abusers. Keep the base loyal by whipping them into a frenzy of fear and hate.

Media 1 is correct. Men dominated in every society that pre-existed this one because men were stronger, better, faster. We built the world in which women could finally be equal. And then we allowed women access to the world we built. For this, we receive women's contempt. Maybe radical Islam is not so far off base after all.

In my opinion femanism has a long way to go. Equal wages for the same job, equal opportunities for employment to name but two. Many women prefer not to have children and work, so why should they have to accept less. In almost all walks of life and employment the differential is easy to see.

#30 Biker: Woman should not accept less, but with their change in roles, we must accept the consequences it will have on society. I said it before, if female lions began seeking more rights and more equality it would throw things into chaos, and the young would suffer the consequences, thus ultimately the entire species would suffer.

#29 Your comments, and the facile ones of shool boys #s 2, 11, 16, 20, 27 show that there is still a need for feminism.

Actually I think women are now largely aping men in the workplace and as stated above now have to do two jobs instead of one and though they have more opportnities and choices, are worse off in many ways.

Feminism is about changing the way society is strcutured and this means challenging many male dominated ways of thinking which have not only given us wonderful technological advances but also war, profit and greed dressed up as competition and the dominance of material obsession and technology based solutions over more useful community oriented values and societal based solutions.

Feminism actually needs to generate a third wave becasue we need more of it.

(HardTruth #1) got it right. we live in a capitalist world - a world unjust, cruel - but - delivering the goods - and it's the goods we want. a pet beef i have is that - not only did the trade union movement fail to make inroads into the pay for women - they endorsed, upheld - whatever you want to call it - pay inequalities - particularly in the public sector. those involved in seeking to right gross injustices use e.c. employment legislation - case law coming from the european court. chat on feminism is the privilege of the middle-class. x

#22. "Men that allow themselves to be controlled by feminists have lost all their masculinity". I thought the oestrogen in the water had ensured everyone was feminised. And that's why men are less likely nowadays to maintain the stiff upper lip?

But, seriously, how many women can conduct a deep analytical conversation? And if there aren't that many, is it not because they are not encouraged to be critically minded. And do women philosophers get the same news coverage as men ? Or are they only associates of successful men? (Qv. Wittgenstein's secretary was a woman , but who recalls her as a philosopher outside her immediate family, students, college and friends?). If Stephen Hawking was a woman, would he be so well known? These are areas where women may compete, but they are certainly not set as a 'significant other' example for the younger generations.

The problem with women now a days is that they are no longer fighting for justice in the law, pay structure, or otherwise. they seem to be fighting each other. This is one area where equality with men is something they have achieved but should not have. All the fashion industry with its clothes, cosmetics, etc, is aimed at women competing with each other. Their opinions of each other are a far more brutal slave master than any man they ever faced. If you don't have sisters or have never heard how women treat each other, you have no idea what I am talking about. Women are far more controlled by other aggressive women than they ever were by men. Women are so controlled by their peers that they don't realize that a model who has the body of an underdeveloped teenage boy is not attractive. But they strive to it blindly in order to feel adequate, and not for men, but for the acceptance of each other, which will never truely be granted to women fairly and respect them for what wonderful things they really offer in the personalities and talents. I find it ironic that at a time when women are largely ruled by each other, that the most unrealistic image demands are imposed on women.

#32 (Paul). You are an example of what feminism has done to reasoned, principled argument. Your failure to address any of the arguments raised is not disguised by your little ad hominem remarks. But since we're going there, grow a pair.

Equality would be a good idea then maybe women could have kids and careers-what did women get from the feminist movement-the right to drink themselves stupid & engage in meaningless sex with bewildered men? The glass ceiling for most remains unbroken and while we are no longer living in the 1950s, there's still a long way to go in this country at least.

yes there definitely is still a great need for feminism.
in the west ie; america, the female of the genders is now recognised for their foray into debauchery with and without drug use.the paris hiltons and britney spears of that world are famous for excess of wealth and no accompanying brains. this duo frequently flaunt their sexual wares and experiences to the planet.the definition of the word slut is shown in the dictionary as pictures of both these famous or infamous women.
what is required is that the stupid men in power
realise the value of women in our society.
their principal function is to nurture the future.

Hark what is that I hear? - why it is the 'Tarzanist' foo o' vodka beating his man boobs.

Radical Islam, Radical Feminism, dont hold with any of it, you generalise and make stereotypical misogynist comments and expect to be taken seriously? Stop polishing yours and then maybe, but just maybe, women may like you, if that's your bag, floats your boat, lights your candle or puts the zap in your zipper,

"We did this" and "We did that", yes, but just think of all the other things that we didnt do pal, like say for example, giving women the vote, including them in politics, paying them as equals, seeing them as individual human beings instead of property. The root of the problem goes further than these issues that women have now achieved and if you cannot see that then you are all mouth and trousers, as my lovely bidey-in would say.

Woman have come a long way in the West but still have some distance to go, attitudes do not die out overnight - as for the rest of the world, some women are still chattels, property and just slightly more valuable than a goat.

Radical Islam? what a numptie!

If the good Lord had intended women to be the same as men he would have given them willies and the reasoning behind why we should not go to war.

Can't live with 'em, can't live without 'em!

Tell that to all these Thai and East Asian women that have "found" a man from Europe.

Women's feminist problem was that they were not careful what they wished for.

Dear Ms. the Goat,

Your compaint seems to be that after Western men built a civilization in which women could be equal for the first time in history, those dastardly Western men did not give women equalilty fast enough.

Worth noting that modern Western women are better off than any women at any time in any place, at least by feminist standards. And Western women are the most castrating, unpleasant on the planet. Something about the more you give the less respect you get . . .