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Hmmm, I thought if you were a prostitute in Iran, you were beaten, imprisioned, and/or executed? Wonder if this was a tunnel built by the Iranians to spy on the British?
""many still view Britain as perfidious Albion""""British imperial meddling""
they seem to be picking a fight guy's!!!!
pick your weapon!!!
#1 and #2 ... Or a plot by the USA to implicate the British Embassy for THEIR meddling???
2. sandy,
Hey Dude,
We u involved in the construction of 4 tunnels into the USA at Otay Mesa , SDC from Mexico.
You seem to know alot about tunnels and their builders,
And for U scholarly dude, the correct English is "choose your weapon"
Happy Cubie Day
GC
2 # sandy Sandy: a reasonable person defends what is good and rejects what is bad. Digging an underground tunnel by a foreign embassy in a foreign country is a shameful behaviour and contrary to diplomatic relations. Good is good and bad is bad .
does anyone believe a word that comes out of that country
Steve 1511 "does anyone believe a word that comes out of that country? what about the words that come out of UK and USA ? WHERE ARE THE WMD,s CLAIMED TO BE IN IRAQ ?
The WMD are in the Bekaa valley in Lebanon, guarded by Iran, Syria, and Hezbollah, according to satellite intelligence which identified truck convoys into Syria prior to the start of the war.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/970152/posts
Anyone could have built that tunnel. The Russians, the English and the Americans all had them, in profusion, in Berlin, for spying on each other. Of course, the North Koreans are good at the tunnelling too, and the Vietnamese built quite a few at one time.
Maybe it's just the truth that's being undermined.
"The lurid accusations will sound ludicrous to Western ears"
Not for those of us brought up on James Bond books. So where was the tunnel entrance? Come on Scotsman, finish the story!
8. entropentintersting story !!! Iran is guarding the WMD,s owned by Saddam , the numer one enemy of the iranians . Entropent , stop believing these great lies .
Could this tunnel have been built by one of the moles George Smiley often talked about.
entropment, keep taking the tablets, son!
No wonder that right thinking people conclude that Americans are terminally stupid!
Now that Tom has been found, the Tunnel Kings will just have to concentrate on Dick and Harry. Let's hope they make it to the trees this time.
"Of the 1,500 guests invited, only 200 made it inside the British compound, an oasis of green tranquillity on Ferdowsi Avenue. "
Why didn't they sneak them in through the tunnel?
Farzad,It has nothing to do with whether Saddam and Iran were enemies. The Iranians and the Russians are known to be building a strategic alliance, and it is the Russian Spetznatz who moved the weapons prior to the war. The Russians were destroying evidence of the WMD in Iraq because it was they who supplied Saddam with the technology.
This is information provided from a former Bush administration official, the deputy undersecretary for international technology security. He would have been in a position to access satellite and human intelligence. You may not believe it, but that doesn't make it untrue.
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/3/2/230625....
By the way, Mikey, you don't sound particularly intelligent yourself.
If the tunnel was leading from the embassy... who were they spying on?????
I hear Ambassador Adams will be performing his own motorcycle stunts for the film.
#5--Farzad aka Faramars---""digging an underground tunnel by a foreign embassy in a foreign country is a shameful behaviour and contrary to diplomatic relations""
any country with an Embassy in Iran would be negligent if they didn't at least try digging a tunnel, for escape...anything else, i'll defer to 'Guga @9'...
btw---off topic folks!!..Farzad, have any idea where FBI agent Bob Levinson is???...his family sure would like to hear from someone there as to his disappearance!!! no one will respond to their inquiries!!!
Look. My name is Mulla nothing to do with Mullah of Iran. I have no idea about the bridge or tunnel. But this is bad trade. Prostitutes in the tunnel or the tunnel in the prostitutes are bad sad news. Sir Can we have pictures? Thank you are very kind.
#16 - "This is information provided from a former Bush administration official, the deputy undersecretary for international technology security"
Oh dear oh dear oh dear, i didn't think there was anyone left in the USA that listened to the lies of the Bush family flunkeys. Most, but sadly not all, of the UK population stopped believing Blair etc years ago.
I think you have been munching on GC's shrooms, he'll be annoyed dude. Funny post though.
Iran is reasserting itself as a regional power. Part of this is to discredit the "imperial powers" of the US and UK. A claim like this would be part of this and largely for internal consumption. Dig a little further and see if you can find the story about the squirrels arrested for espionage. Britain was involved in two major "spy tunnel" operations in Berlin and Vienna in the 1950s, but it would be counter to basic security to do anything as daft as to connect the tunnel to the embassy. More likely, the tunnel was built in 19th century, never recorded, and forgotten about.
As for the WMD assertions: don't waste my time with bogus assertions. Iraqi WMD programs ended after DS 1, and any that were left have become unusable because they were dirty and unstable to begin with.
Disgraceful behaviour by British Civil Servants!!!
Hoor Meisters, the lot o' them!!!!!
Why would anyone build an escape tunnel from their embassy in a country like Iran? Hmmmm... Let's see... Anyone? Bueller?
I go along with # 1.. Maybe the tunnel was built by the Iraqis to spy on the British...makes more sense to me..and Stefan...that's a good one!!
But then as the Iranians have no qualms about invading other countries' embassies in Teheran the British decided to construct an escape route.
Farzad,
Our troops found dozens of WMDs immediately upon entering Iraq, as documented in the Duelfer report, which also told of the covert network of WMD labs which it said were producing chemical weapons at a low rate, either for research or terrorism. The insurgents rigged one of these WMD, an artillery shell with about a gallon of sarin nerve agent, as an IED used to attack a couple of our soldiers, happily with little damage. We've never stopped finding WMDs. As of a year ago, the tally was up to five hundred: http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewNation.asp?Page=/Nation/archiv...
General Georges Sada, former second-ranking officer in Iraq's air force, claims that WMD were flown out of Iraq before the invasion to Syria on fifty-six sorties by two Boeing 747 freighters. Also, there are many indications in captured Baathist documents that WMD have been buried. The hundreds of WMD found so far are obviously the tip of the iceberg. Iraq is about the size of California but it had two thirds the munitions of the US. It's going to take a long time, years, to search through all of it. Undoubtedly, hundreds or thousands more WMD are in those depots.
You do not know any of this because Iran censors the news to give you a warped and wrong view of the world, especially the US. No matter how smart you are, your opinion will never be respected when it is built out of the mud brick of Iranian propaganda. You need access to the free market of facts and ideas outside Iran to be taken seriously. You are hobbled by the mullah's insistence on controlling your press.
Likewise, you are being very gullible to believe your government's claim that the Brits have dug a tunnel out from under their embassy. Farzad, everything in and out of embassies comes by diplomatic pouch. There's no need to sneak anything in or out of a tunnel. You can drive it
#27 - Tantor - cheers for the link. So, 500 DEGRADED shells have been found. Well thank heavens we went in there then, they may well have been able to throw them at us if we went to Iraq on our hols. Can't really believe you are using an article like this to say Iraq had WMD. Better proof to use would be the UK and USA government records that lists the WMD WE SOLD THEM. The cause of the invasion was cos they were making horrendously dangerous WMD....looks like they were only dangerous to themselves. There are lies, damned lies, and then politicians.
Yeah, Boab, I guess I'm crazy enough to say 500 chemical weapons shells are WMD. Don't you feel kinda silly saying they're not?
You need to bone up on your history, too. Iraq developed its own chemical weapons industry, disguised as pesticide plants, using the immense fields of phosphates found in its western desert. They received no WMDs from anyone, not even the Soviet Union which would have sold them anything. And did.
Five hundred shells containing nerve agent manufactured in the 1980's and that has degraded to the point of being useless does not point to a current and credible chemical weapons threat. Iraq did develop a chemical weapons industry using predominantly European technology. It was not a very good industry and the qualities and quantities of materials were both poor and the UNSCOM program effectively dismantled it.
#29 Tantor - are you really for real? Really? Even USA and UK governments have admitted selling WMD to Iraq when we were all friends! And that pesky Rumsfield lad personanlly went to Iraq to meet Saddam to sell him weapons. Are you really for real? really? And nope, 5400 degraded shells, that could not be fired, cos they are degraded, but they could be thrown, nope i do not call them WMD. I could call them a waste of money though. And this debnate wi ye a waste of time. But it is fun. In a sad, oh me god they really believe this stuff sort of way.
27 # Tantor, Washington, DCHello my American friend. First of all thanks for your comment but: 1. my opinion is not built on Iranian propaganda. I have access to the free market of facts and ideas outside Iran. My favourite websites to visit are Scotsman ,Washington post , nytimes and guardian Not Iranian websites . I just repeat what millions of your countrymen/women say about US forign policy in the middle east . 2. WMDs in iraq can not be regarded as an excuse to start an illegal war contrary to basic rules of international law .if US is the true wmd fighter why it does not attack Israel which has nuclear bombs ? 3. I have not believed my government's claim that the Brits have dug a tunnel out from under their embassy. I am following the news related to this matter . if well documentary I will believe it otherwise I will reject it .
16 / This is information provided from a former Bush administration official
All the more reason not to trust it then ....
McGoonagle & Moab,
I have seen no statement by a reliable authority that has identified the WMDs found in Iraq as degraded. What I do hear are critics of America, especially the unhinged critics of Bush, who after sheepishly admitting WMDs were found, unlike their prior false claims that none were found, then hyperventilate that they were degraded to harmlessness. These chemical weapons were not so poorly made that they didn't kill thousands of Kurds in the Anfal campaign.
Chemical weapons made by the US before WWII are just now being disposed of and under very stringent conditions. The chemical agents remain deadly. Also, chemical shells fired in France during WWI are quite regularly found by farmers plowing their fields. Occassionally, they kill people on the teams that defuse them. So your invention that these Iraqi shells made in the 1980s have degraded into harmlessness doesn't pass the smell test.
Boab, the US did not sell Iraq any weapons to speak of, let alone WMD. The total amount of amount of products that the Iraqi military bought from the US amounted to a fraction of a percent of their total budget. The assertion that the US admitted to selling WMD to Iraq is a fabrication. In fact, Iraq made all its own WMD. It requires considerable torturing of the facts to make the case they came from America.
Tantor yer crackers man.
It is Iran claiming that the British built a spy and prostitute tunnel to their embassy in Teheran, not the Scotsman ,Washington Post, NY Times, nor Guardian. This is the same Iranian government which claims it caught spy squirrels on its border a few weeks ago. Only a fool would take them seriously.
Farzad, Saddam Hussein attempted to assassinate the elder Bush with a car bomb in Kuwait, refused to abide by the UN surrender terms and resolutions, shot hundreds of surface to air missiles at our aircraft patrolling the UN-mandated no fly zones, and put bounties on the capture or death of our military. If Iraq had done that to Iran, would you consider that legitimate provocation to go to war?
We don't attack Israel because Israel has not tried to kill Americans and former American presidents like Iraq has done. Quite frankly, your religious prejudice against Israel is backward. You should give it up and learn to tolerate other religions like the rest of the modern world. There is plenty of work for you to do in Iran to make it a better country before you start attacking other countries.
How many Bush administration (NeoCon) officials does it take to screw in a light bulb?
• One to deny that a light bulb needs to be replaced.
• One to attack and question the patriotism of anyone who has questions about the light bulb.
• One to blame the previous administration for the need of a new light bulb.
• One to arrange the invasion of a country rumored to have a secret stockpile of light bulbs.
• One to get together with Vice President Cheney and figure out how to pay Halliburton one million dollars for a light bulb.
• One to arrange a photo-op session showing Bush changing the light bulb while dressed in a flight suit and wrapped in an American flag.
• And finally, one to explain to Bush the difference between screwing a light bulb and screwing the country.
How many anti-American lefties does it take to make a coherent rebuttal based on facts and evidence?
I don't know either.
#37--Jenny21---this doesn't come close to the jokes you posted on the other forum..they were funny!!!
http://www.funnyhub.com/pictures/pages/scary-hillary-clin...
your choice for president???....frightening!!!
#38--Tantor---the number is there, but fast growing.last count? millions.. :o)
#25..is supposed to read Iran...not Iraq...wrote to fast...sorry
Tantor
--The assertion that the US admitted to selling WMD to Iraq is a fabrication. In fact, Iraq made all its own WMD. It requires considerable torturing of the facts to make the case they came from America.--
Considerable torturing of the facts? Not so....
"The administrations of Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush authorized the sale to Iraq of numerous items that had both military and civilian applications, including poisonous chemicals and deadly biological viruses, such as anthrax and bubonic plague."
""It was a horrible mistake then, but we have got it right now," says Kenneth M. Pollack, a former CIA military analyst and author of "The Threatening Storm," which makes the case for war with Iraq. "My fellow [CIA] analysts and I were warning at the time that Hussein was a very nasty character. We were constantly fighting the State Department." "
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A52241-2002Dec29...
"Ted Koppel of ABC Nightline reported the following, however, on June 9, 1992: "It is becoming increasingly clear that George Bush Sr., operating largely behind the scenes throughout the 1980s, initiated and supported much of the financing, intelligence, and military help that built Saddam's Iraq into [an aggressive power]" and “Reagan/Bush administrations permitted — and frequently encouraged — the flow of money, agricultural credits, dual-use technology, chemicals, and weapons to Iraq.”"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran-Iraq_War
You honestly didn't know about this?
WMD
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4169107.stm
US - Iraq Survey Group gave up looking.
Iraq Survey Group----
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Iraq_Survey_Group
A quote from the ISG's Duelfer:
"Prewar Movement of WMD Material Out of Iraq, stating "ISG judged that it was unlikely that an official transfer of WMD material from Iraq to Syria took place" but also acknowledging that "ISG was unable to complete its investigation and is unable to rule out the possibility that WMD was evacuated to Syria before the war."
"Iraq’s remaining chemical and biological physical infrastructure does not pose a proliferation concern".
These nuggets were added as addenda to the report. The US press seems to have missed them.
You care to retract your comments?
Tantor at 34---"I have seen no statement by a reliable authority that has identified the WMDs found in Iraq as degraded."'
You have now seen the statement by the CIA appointed head of the ISG saying it.
Retract?
Tunnel--------
Big deal. Here's how the big boys do it;
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/low/europe/1202741.stm
http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,4465...
34. Tantor, Washington, DC
Are U another one of those mind conditioned red neck members of the GOP.
My condolences if you are Dude.
But knowing your tribes mentality, you don't give a damm . Just like your leader the idiot Pres Bush.
Fortunately for my country the U.S. Bush is finished , now just a lame duck, but an evil duck..
Happy Red Neck day dude
Child in Time,
Your cites do not support your false contention that the US supplied Iraq with WMD but rather are an example of the torturing of facts that I mentioned. It's true that anthrax and other cultures were sold to Iraq as part of an agricultural exchange program but these cultures came from the American Type Culture Collection, which is a research collection which sells samples to labs around the world. The ATCC is not a germ warfare lab nor are its cultures WMDs. Any research lab can buy them online.
Your feverish claim that such cultures were used to make Iraqi WMD is bunk. And, of course, there is the sad fact that Iraq never fielded a biological weapon of any kind. How can the US supply Iraq something it never had?
Child In Time,
Your quote never mentions anything about any WMD being degraded, but rather that it doesn't run a proliferation risk, ie that it is not being transferred to a third party. You see, the way references work is that they have to address the point you're making. When you are trying to prove Iraq's WMDs were degraded, strive to find the word "degraded" or its equivalent in your cite.
GalacticCannibal: "Happy Red Neck day dude"
Racism is not a rebuttal, dude.
#27 what are you talking about finding wmd's all the time in Iraq? If that was true Boosh and co. would be screaming this at us. You are a liar and a fool.
Lot of troll's here I C.
I wouldn't put it past the brits to build a tunnel. And as far as the comment about taking the guest's that didn't go to the b-day party through the tunnel,its a secret tunnel you genius.
Good for them! It beggars belief that people here are parroting the WMD chant at other countries-have they not heard of Porton Down?Do they not know of Britain's vast arsenal of WMD's being deployed against people like themselves in Afghanistan and Iraq?The guilty culprits always pointing the dirty finger away from themselves.Why on Earth do we continue to support Israeli interests with our money,weapons,time and attention?The British Foreign Office always have been spies and xxxxxxx working in underground tunnels and queen liz. is a xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxx along with her M15/6 Vatican,IIFR,CFT,Trilateral,WTO,IMF,Bank of England fellow pirates.
Tantor,
Never before have I wanted to (register and) reply to something like this, but you sound like the rarest of things: an intelligent Republican. Are you PJ O'Rourke?
So, here's one for you: the Pres admitted Iraq had no WMDs. He said it. If you say they did and they hid them (prove a negative, anyone?), you're not actually agreeing with the official line any more than me.
And if 'they' know all that stuff is in the Bekaa valley, there would be no reason not to go there, right now, and claim the final moral victory with the world's press watching. No, it ain't gonna happen.
The point is real simple. Even if Iraq had WMD, would they have used them against us? Apparently not. The proof is that when we invaded, tens of thousands of invading soldiers didn't die from the damn things. We invaded... they still didn't use WMDs... well, maybe they liked us too much...
...or they never had them. Not as if that's some 'crazy rumour'. Was Saddam a t***? Yes. Was he a threat? No.
Unless you had a vested interest in oil and petty religious racism, of course.
Mark M
PS. Israel is better than many of its neighbours, true. But not as much as it likes to think. Were it and Switzerland to swap places, everyone would get along just fine. (And it most certainly has attacked US personnel, albeit with Presidential approval, as you well know: USS Liberty.)
#54 Mark, forgive me for butting in between you and Tantor, but I have a question. I can find where Bush called off the search for WMD, conceding we had found none, but I can find no source for a frank admission that there were none. He has insisted that the invasion of Iraq was justified in spite of not finding WMD, but that is a little different than what you assert. Do you have a source I could check out?
By the way, PJ O'Roarke is no Republican. I'm just saying.
Steve, was it Iran that said that Iraq had WMD? Us calling them liars is like the pot calling the kettle black.
Whether the story is real or imagined is irrelevant. What id you expect political Iran to do?They took The American Embassy in 1979 and in response we launched the Iran-contra; They blew up the Marines and we withdrew and opened talks with them; They blew up the Khobar Tower and we balmed it on ghosts; they supported Bin Laden and we invaded their worst enemies and happily handed over those countries to them; they are killing American in Iraq and Bush is blaming Pakistan!!!!;They abducted 15 British sailors and we meekly surrendered and balmed the Wahabis of Saudi Arabia who support the Madrasas!!!! .THE Iranians understood the message: every time they do something bad to us, we do somthing bad to their enemy. Do you really expect them not to lob insult on us. We are jilted lovers dying to get a glimpse of friendly Iran. Iran is playing hard to get and will get you for all you are worth. We deserve it.
As a Veteran who helped to give you the freedom you now enjoy and then went to Palestine, I am pleased that Iran or anybody else is helping Hezbollah as we veterans are well aware that there will be no peace in the MiddleEast as longas israel exists.
That the boys in our F.O. would be interested in prostitutes in any country is nonsense!
Our public school lads stand behind each other on this one.
For the state of the Iraqi chemical weapons, you may want to read what the Iraq Survey Group said.
The chemical weapons that the US is disposing of are not from before the Second World War. VX wasn't even identified as a chemical weapon until the late 1950s. They were made between the 1950s and 1970s. They were stockpiled, so they were purified, in the case of the nerve agents by distillation (not a trivial task), stabilized with reaction inhibiting chemicals and stored carefully in non-reactive containers, typically in refrigerated storage units.
During the Iran-Iraq war, Iraq was making chemical weapons about as fast as it was using them. There was no need to worry about purification and what was going into a lot of the shells was basically a mildly purified reaction mixture. From your thermodynamics you surely understand that a mixture of reactive chemicals will continue to react as long as there is some energy around, and things will happen that you don't necessarily want.
Nerve agent quality was so bad that Iraq gave up making GB to fill shells. They would partially fill the shells with one precursor (DF) and just before use a lad with a watering can added the other component (isopropanol) to the shell. The GB was made in the shell in flight. Quality was never that good and many exposed Iranians were saved by treatments that fell well short of NATO doctrine for the treatment of nerve agent exposure.
entropent:
I'll give you two scorching admissions-of-earlier-lying-through-his-teeth for the price of one. From a rare Bush news conference, August 21 2006 (click and grab any sentence and Google it, you'll soon find the whole thing). My emphasis added:
QUESTION: A quick follow-up. A lot of the consequences you mention for pulling out seem like maybe they never would have been there if we hadn't gone in. How do you square all of that?
BUSH: I square it because imagine a world in which you had a Saddam Hussein who had the capacity to make a weapon of mass destruction, who was paying suiciders to kill innocent life, who would -- who had relations with Zarqawi. Imagine what the world would be like with him in power. The idea is to try to help change the Middle East.
Now, look, I -- part of the reason we went into Iraq: was -- the main reason we went into Iraq: at the time was we thought he had weapons of mass destruction. IT TURNS OUT HE DIDN'T, but he had the capacity to make weapons of mass destruction.
But I also talked about the human suffering in Iraq, and I also talked the need to advance a freedom agenda. And so my question -- my answer to your question is, is that imagine a world in which Saddam Hussein was there, stirring up even more trouble in a part of a world that had so much resentment and so much hatred that people came and killed 3,000 of our citizens.
You know, I've heard this theory about, you know, everything was just fine until we arrived and, you know, kind of -- the "stir up the hornet's nest" theory. It just doesn't hold water as far as I'm concerned. The terrorists attacked us and killed 3,000 of our citizens before we started the freedom agenda in the Middle East. They were --
QUESTION: What did Iraq: have to do with that?
BUSH: What did Iraq: have to do with what?
QUESTION: The attack on the World Trade Center.
BUSH: NOTHING, except for it's part of -- and nobody's ever s
# 6
"does anyone believe a word that comes out of that country"
.....I take it you refer to the USA.
Cyril...The Jews were around long before Hezbollah, Hamas, and any other terrorist organization, which includes Islamofacists. They have been on that land unless exiled for over 5,000 years.The truth is, there will be no peace as long as Hamas, Hezbollah, and any other terrorist organization exist whose charters clearly state that their purpose is to destroy Israel.So Cyril in NZ..wake up to reality.
