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The question I have is this : is there anything that does not cauise global warming. We have to have trains, planes & automobiles to get around, ergo we have to have gas & oil to go in them.Human & animal farts cause global warming, as does belching & breathing. Veggies & fruit cause global warming. The winters get colder, so whats next that these idiots want us top give up. Oh, yea I know, its Bush & Blairs fault. If neither of them had ever been elected there would be no global warming. Right?
MORE than 160,000 householders in Scotland either own, or are planning to own, a patio heater - emitting 7,700 tonnes of a year.
• A jumbo jet flying between London and New York 37 times.
what ? it takes 160,000 households a year to pollute the planet when one jumbo jet can do the equivellent in 18 and a half return journeys to NY.
F*ck Me! them aircraft are some threat!
"The smoking ban meant people had to move outside, and consumer satisfaction means we have got to heat these areas."
Easy answer to that one. Scrap the nazi state ban.
Put on a sweater!
John#1,If we (the World) start taking action now then we can avoid the need for more draconion measures that will be necessary after 20 or 30 more years of business as usual. Increased efficiency, reduced consumerism and a host of other readily available actions can make a big difference now. If not, then I think you can say bye bye to many of the things you mentioned and lots more.
...and Jean, you're dead right. Cut out the holidays to Florida and you will probably halve your emissions for the year. That doesn't mean of course that you are then entitled to go and get one of these ludicrous patio heaters.
Nasty outdoor heaters. I'd suggest a traditional "bonfire" one could then burn all that pesky household waste and stop it going to land-fill!
If it's too cold to sit outside without a heater, then stay indoors simple.
It's been raining most of the 'summer' anyway.
Maybe if they allowed pubs and similar to have both smoking and non-smoking areas rather than this totalitarian attitude of banning everything; then they wouldn't need so many of these patio heaters.
Of course, the totalitarians and control freaks want to ban the heaters too; as well as anything else they can think of.
Incidentally, what's the carbon footprint of having troops fighting an illegal war in Iraq? It'll be a wee bit more than having 37 Jumbo jet flights to New York.
No. 9: Fred:- Absolutely, I cant remember the last time I saw "the sun drop below the horizon". These things seem crazy to me. If its too cold put on some extra clothing or more sensible, go indoors. Cant see the fascination with barbeques either. Cook food properly indoors and if its nice weather take it outside to eat. Better than charring the outside with the inside a luke warm breeding ground of salmonela.
#12God isn't education a wonderful thing.
Wouldn't know, didn't get one! ;-)
Never mind Dave you make me laugh, good on yeh.
Cheers! Have a good day. Better get on....
Well thats it lets call out the militia , the evil patio heaters must be rounded up and shot at dawn
When I visit my Aunt in Germany, she likes to sit out on the pation but will not buy one of these patio heaters. When it is raining, she has an awning that she can extent to keep the rain off. When it is cold, she sits outside with a warm jacket on (wheezy smokers take note). These things are an expensive and unnecessary "luxury", not really required.
@3
petrolhead - did you learn nothing about Godwins Law last time?
I have a theory that a good sweater is every bit as efficient at keeping you warm as a 12kW patio heater. Now, I would like Mr Mike Thornton to be the first person to demonstrate this in practice!
What an utter d*ckhead!
I already have one of the beauties and after reading this article I might just get another one.
Anyone would think that CO2 was some sort of pollutant which it demonstrably is not! Yet another busybody trying to curtail our freedom based upon some political non-science.
Wonder how many big Al has?
#10 Guga .... I had though by now you had outgrown your 'illegal war' tantrum. OK, just for the record, precisely 'what' is 'illegal' about this war? TY
#20 "Wonder how many big Al has?"
A helluva lot, going by his electricity bill.
#10 Guga II
Like your comment about the Iraq war. So very true.
#6 Big Nige
I'm baffled as to why you think they are "ludicrous"?
Just for the record, I will never give up my patio heater, never!!
Breathing also produces carbon dioxide and therefore contributes to global warming. It might be an idea if we all make a conscious effort to try breathing a little less!
#18 James
I hereby require you to list all appliances that you own. I will then audit the list and let you know which items I consider to be a luxury and therefore unnecessary, and you should then promptly get rid of such items.
Please do this without delay! Thank you.
#25 continued
I have just undertaken a similar exercise myself and find to my horror that I have an unnecessarily large carbon footprint by inadvertantly having 2 copies of Fleetwood Mac' album Rumours, an unused Lonely Planet guide to Slovakia and a never-to-be-used, Easy-to-Carry, one chord per page Guitar Chord book (as edited by Jake Jackson).
James, please advise what course of action I should take in order to remedy the above. I shudder to think what effect this is having on the ice cap atop Mount Kilimanjaro!
Here we jolly well go again! Seems the "I f*cking well couldn't care less what happens because nobody else f*cking well matters, so I'll do what I f*cking well want to, and f*ck everyone else!" brigade, principally represented by Dave from Barra, are in good form this morning!
Patio heaters :- the reserve of aspirational tos^%#s usually.
Talk about fighting a losing battle! - trying to heat outside
Go inside or put a jumper on folks.
#27 Major
I sense that you don't approve of civil liberties. So what is your preferred political philosophy?
Dave from Barra
Your well F$*&ING eloquent aren't you pal?
I can't really imagine someone in Barra sitting oustide with a patio heater!
Nothing you enjoy more than sipping a double frappe mocha choca decafe skinny latte whilst holding your heater with the other hand as a Hebridean gale tries to blow it over?
Please! - spare us
Please help me with this concept of the patio heater.
When I first saw them advertised I couldn't believe it. Is human activity contributing to global warming? Let's just gamble and chuck a load of heat into the air to find out. Put on a jumper, or a coat? No - I'd prefer to burn money.
I can't help but feel that future generations facing energy shortages will look back on us with our patio heaters and the like and hold us in contempt.
And as for pubs - surely it's better to have a smoking room inside rather than have people smoking at the doorway or around outside heaters as we have at present?
You made me laugh connaughtboy!
#34 thanks
#34 What's your opinion of patio heaters?
#32 jennifer
You may have hit on something good there. If we ban patios then we will effectively banning patio heaters. Two bans for the price of one. Perfect!
19: GM
Your constant references to Godwins law just go to show how little you know or care about freedom of choice.
5 months to christmas, great, can´t wait . santa, snowball fights,pressies.............
#38 Conan
Add immoral to illegal for me please!
Patio heaters? Pah, old news. I was in New York when the summer was uncomfortably hot. People there have outdoor air conditioners. If we get the patio heater and AC unit both on full blast then we might create a zone somewhere in the garden where the temperature is just right.
One to throw in here. I believe you create less of a carbon footprint by continuing to run an old un eco friendly car than that created by building a new eco friendly car. Any thoughts?
Why is everyone so against carbon?
@39
no, it simply demonstrates your lack of ability to put together reasoned, evidenced, rational statements.
Reverting to 'nazi' comments is ample evidence of that - hence Godwins Law is invoked.
(oh and the fact that you dont believe smoking kills anybody)
Is it because it is black?
Ban them!
#29
Alas, you sense entirely WRONGLY, ConnaughtBoy. Civil liberty is a wonderful, totally admirable concept to be defended at all times, and you will certainly find me on the front line.
What I find particularly depressing, and my civil liberty to comment on critically, is the contemporary attitude of personal greed, instant self-gratification, and downright selfishness, the constant "me, me, me" moaners who flaunt this as "civil liberty".
I remember being taught that liberty brings RESPONSIBILITY, old chap - there's an old-fashioned concept!! I sense that you feel liberty supersedes responsibility. Where do you stand on that?
#48 Major
I would describe myself as a Libertarian, defined as follows:
"Libertarians believe in, and pursue, personal freedom while maintaining personal responsibility. Libertarians strongly oppose any government interference in their personal, family and business decisions. Essentially, all should be free to live their lives and pursue their interests as they see fit as long as they do no harm to another."
That pretty much sums it up.
I don't think that my patio heater breaches the above in any way.
Look at the picture closely. That is exactly the same make as my heater, however mine is finished in a rather attractive hammerite bronze rather than the gaudy stainless steel finish shown above.
Hope you approve!
#49/#50
How interesting and illuminating - a bit like your splendid-sounding patio heater! I must admit to the naughty thought, though, of agreeing with a previous poster who characterised patio-heater owners as aspirational tos^%#s usually - it certainly made me, with my simple sense of humour, laugh. I'm sure, however, that you are an honourable exception to the general rule.
So I take it, that although Man is a social animal, you don't believe in the concept of "society"? You're not really Margaret Thatcher, by any chance............are you?
#38 Conan. I heard you were dead. Have a wee read of some international law, including the transcripts of the Nuremberg Trials.
#49 connaughtboy -
I would never argue that your libertarianism should interfere with your right to have a patio heater(after all, it might be a breach of your civil liberties - god forbid!)
Just a wee thought (please read the EEN article again) it might, just might, be doing some environmental damage...............but then again, who cares what possibly happens to future generations, or indeed our own if the speed of change feared by some respectable and eminent scientists is a reality, when "civil liberty" is obviously the only, or certainly overruling, priority?
#25. connaughtboy - "I hereby require you to list all appliances that you own." - Very sorry but I cannot submit to the whim of every nutter I come across on the internet.#26. connaughtboy - "James, please advise what course of action I should take in order to remedy the above" - Neither do I normally give free advice to smart arses, however, perhaps you should stand in the next election for the Publican - Freedom for Patio Heaters party.
#12 These folks need some straight talking from the Smeatonator. This is Scotland, we work hard and deserve our hols.
Tell these stars and Al Gore' types to stop jumping on their private jets and telling us all how to live. They can afford not to worry about all these green taxes but what aboot Joe Public whose working hard to keep these folk in their riches?
Talk about stealing from the poor to give to the rich.
"Braziers. " A large metal container in which charcoal (or, more environmentally damaging coal) is burned.
Painful attire.
Just more bollocks from the 'CO2' brigade.
The oceans of the world produce over 90% of all CO2, banning patio heaters would not make any difference whatsoever.
How about banning bonfire night then?, oh my god, imagine how many noxious fumes are produced on Nov 5th?!?
If someone is willing to pay to run a patio heater then let them get on with it, it's their money.
They'll be campaigning for corks to be put up cows arses next..
AAAARRRRRRRRGGGGHHHH!!!!!!
GM:
Go and read some more of your propaganda. I'm sure you'll be a lot happier than living in the real world.
My comments may see unreasonable to you because you don't take the trouble to think for yourself and reason things out.
Anyway, who wrote godwin's law? You? It would be fitting if you did. It's just an irellavent set of hypothetical observations.
I suppose that given the inclination I could come up with a similar "law" that was totally irellavent and claim that it suited you to a tee. The thing is, I can't be bothered. It's not worth the effort.
#57 "The oceans of the world produce over 90% of all CO2"
They also absorb more than they produce. You can't say that for patio heaters.
Having never used a patio heater, I'm intrigued. They look totally stupid (opinion). Are they really any more effective at heating than lighting a fire?
2. Miss Jean Brodie / 12:43am 25 Jul 2007
You wrote.
No thank u, I have a 26year old girlfriend
Respectfully
Galactic Cannibal
#57
Just more bollocks from the "Problem? What problem?" brigade?
Evidence for some noticeable and potentially alarming changes in climate/weather patterns, never previously recorded to the extent they have manifested themselves all over the world, appears to be growing and growing. But never mind, let's just carry on with our lifestyle, make no modifications to it at all, keep our fingers crossed, and condemn as a crowd of completely loony hypocrical nutters and extremist agitators, who want to bring crashing down the hard won liberties of our capitalist consumer society, all those who might genuinely be increasingly concerned by what is happening.
Climate change? What climate change? These are just manifestations of weather! OK, so can some clever person, and I know you just want to, explain why these are happening, and assure the rest of us that there are no irreversible "tipping points" which may change the climate/weather (you choose) in a manner potentially disastrous for future generations, if not for those of us alive at the moment?
Oh, I can be SO naive and easily led that I'd love to hear why I needn't bother my pretty little head about all that nonsense.
Let the good times (continue to) roll!
59. Selgovae, Scottish Borders
you wrote:
Are they really any more effective at heating than lighting a fire
Yes they are, if they have a quality parabolic reflector and burn natural gas.
They are a dime a dozen here in California expecially in Northern Cal. where temps are lower.
respectfully
Ah, our wonderful American "cousins"!
Insatiable gas-guzzlers to a man and woman, and still the highest carbon-based energy consumers in the world.......................God bless America!
#63 GalacticCannibal
Thanks for the information. We usually use a brazier (dustbin with holes) and experiment a bit with arranging the not-so-perfectly parabolic lid. The advantage of course is that you can burn your rubbish and fag ends at the same time. (It also looks pretty stupid. But my kids tell me so do jumpers.)
"5. Big Nige, Arizona / 5:58am 25 Jul 2007 John#1,If we (the World) start taking action now then we can avoid the need for more draconion measures that will be necessary after 20 or 30 more years of business as usual. "
Bollocks. This whole story is scaremongering and #1 has it spot on.
I notice that you live somewhere where it's always burning hot.WHy don't you just sunbath in Death Valley for 93 hours and save us all a load of trouble?
'A third of people say that they have not personally seen any evidence of climate change and 60% of people say that it will have ‘little or no’ impacts on them personally. However, when asked how much effect it ‘will have on future generations’ the response reverses- 89% of people say a lot or a great deal.
What is interesting about this is that people are far more confident about these future impacts than they are about the science itself or the evidence that it is based on. So people’s confidence in the reality of the problem increases the further they can push it away.'
Interesting...
'Diesel Jeans new advertising campaign provides yet more evidence that we could slip from a refusal to acknowledge climate change to a form of blasé reactive denial that says “big deal, bring it on”. The worldwide advertising campaign called “Global Warming Ready” which carries the byline “Yes life is going to be a beach in the future”, shows models in beachware against a background of flooding, heatwaves, parrots in St Marks Square and that familiar warming cliché, penguins on icebergs. See the ads….
This is clearly the kind of cynical advertising that we have come to expect from clothing companies desperate to differentiate their products by generating controversy- in the past Diesel ads have recommended chain smoking and drinking your own p**s.'
#66 Itchy
AHEM! If #1 is "spot on" (!) how can it be that winters have been getting progressively WARMER in this country rather than COLDER?
Please explain. That'll be nothing to do with global WARMING then. And yes, predicted patterns of stronger winds (remember last winter?) and wetter weather (nothing to do with the disastrous flooding of extensive parts of England , then) seem to substantiate certain parts of this theory.
But it's ALL scaremongering, designed to undermine our comfortable lifestyle.
But let's just bury our heads in the sand, simply ignore that awful Al Gore's "inconvenient truth" and pretend that nothing of the kind is happening.........or indeed could POSSIBLY happen.
Interesting to hear the comments in the national TV news from a number of the unfortunate victims of the widespread flooding in England who appear convinced their plight is related to climate change/global warming.
Poor deluded fools..........don' t they realise, according to some of our poster experts, that this is bollocks, scaremongering, a great global conspiracy etc. ?
#64--Major Puffin-Stuff----our goal in life is to please folk like you!!! so i'll keep my gas-guzzling, great big wonderful Yukon & my outdoor heater..
"Oh say can you see.........."etc,etc
Ah, the American Dream! A nightmare for the rest of the planet..................
Recent research from British Gas predicted that increased sales of gas-fired patio burners to pubs as a result of the smoking ban would see carbon emissions from the pub heaters alone rocket to 160,000 tonnes of CO2 a year, representing almost ten percent of the annual reduction the UK needs to meet its Kyoto commitments by 2012.
Dougie Douglas, Brisbane
Shut it! Typical stereotypical balderdash from the ignorant and uneducated.
Patio heaters are bad! Whoooo feking hooo. So I suppose the massive and failed government initiative to have gas powered cars is bad too even though it was done in an atempt to curd CO2 production?
Total pish, tosh and nonesense.
curb even. Sorry, had lemon curd on my toast this morning.
