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I'm happy to see that the usual blatant anti-US bias so often displayed by Media in Great Britain, has been somewhat muted in this article.While it is nice to see this somewhat more "even handed" report, I am amazed that the reporter STILL doesn't put numbers and issues into context.He never mentions the FACT that the people inside Git-Mo ARE terrorists. Neither does he mention the scores of those released from Git-Mo, have been found DEAD on battlefields in Iraq and Afghanistan, after taking up arms-again, against NATO and Coalition Forces.
Rather convenient his not mentioning such facts, isn't it?
The article simply does its best to ignore the FACT of terrorism: that the Jihadists have as their goal, the murdering of us all and our families.
Your new PM has faulted right out of the gate: his Politically Correct knee-bending to Muslims and the Left, throughout Great Britain.Don't forget people, 48% of Muslims in Great Britain want to END the Rule of Law and Secular Law, and replace it with Islamic Sharia Law.
That is nearly 1 out of every 2 Muslims in Great Britain people.
When you walk down a street and you see many Muslims on the streets alongside you, don't forget to consider that almost half of the people you see; your neighbors, business owners, barristers, taxi drivers, housewives, school teachers, and religious clerics, want to do away with Secular Law and replace it with Sharia Law.
Remind me again of the definition of "extreme"?
Cheers from the Rockies.
"Remind me again of the definition of "extreme"?How about these:1-Americans who forget the rights of man that made their country great. 2-Defending the lies that got you into Iraq in the first place.Here's a site from an American publication that tells it like it is. Read it and edify yourself.
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/33266
Go and read an American paper that supports your terrorist president and leave us alone.
Being forced to watch the Discovery Channel; now that has to fall into cruel and unusual punishment. If only DC wouldn't mix metric and imperial measurement in the same sentence. Show them Baywatch; they'd confess to anything after that.
6. Scottish football ni mada kyomi ga aru
De do ghnothaich!
That's a professional news source you provided there ;-) "The Onion"
Now I know where you get your odd views. Do you belong to the same club as Wally?
This is just the Bush war criminal regime trying a bit of propaganda, to make out how kind and considerate they are to people they have kidnapped and tortured.
Moreover, now that the American justice system is finally catching up with Bush and his illegal activities, they are planning to ship a lot of these prisoners out to three new prisons in Pakistan, paid for by the Bush regime, so that they can keep on torturing them, but out of the reach of the American courts.
Roll on November 2008.
Throw #10 in the same club as Wally.
I heard that the prisoners at Gitmo can't get enough of the Harry Potter books. Some have expressed a desire to go to Disneyland and others have expressed a desire to remain in the U.S. and become Republicans.
they get deadliest catch cause they dont get footballer's wives.
be lucky they get any tv period
Scullion, I'm not sure if you're being serious or not. The Onion is a parody news source.
http://www.onion.demon.co.uk/theonion/other/babies/stupid...
#15-Dox- I think scullion is being serious, which is actually pretty funny.
I dont know why, but I like the "Deadliest Catch", but they should introduce a little humor into their lives by showing the Simpsons or Family Guy.
Thank Muhammed (PBOH) they hadn't been forced to watch Big Brother, Neighbours or Newsnight Scotland
Unclear why these prisoners, or any prisoners, are allowed to watch TV or have any other form of entertainment - except for tending to the healing of their daily lashings.
3. Neanderthal75
"He never mentions the FACT that the people inside Git-Mo ARE terrorists"On what charges? On what evidence?Is everyone in Gitmo a terrorist?
If i were imprisoned in Gitmo based on false charges, I would be sorely tempted to take up arms. I was not aware that "scores" had been released.. where are your sources?
"The article simply does its best to ignore the FACT of terrorism: that the Jihadists have as their goal, the murdering of us all and our families."Please do not display opinion as fact.
Can I ask did you support the war in Iraq?
America's version of Dachau, Auschwits or Treblinka
Has Neanderthal75 ever heard of "Evidence" or "Proof" or is he simply a throwback to Senator McCarthy and his witch hunts?
posted this before, but is it proaganda that the most common newborn boys name in the UK last year was 'Mohammed'...(including all 20 odd variations in its spelling)...?
It was second only to 'Jack'.
Islamification does not come about via bombs, more a creeping cultural softly softly approach until its all too late.
correection to 23 - the SECOND most common newborn boys name....
3. Neanderthal75.
Please reveal the source of your "Facts".
Opinion even if it is held by many is not fact.
Now off you and and get your knuckles bandaged
People commit suicide in prisons all the time. Here and abroad. I fail to see how this is indicative of their being abused.
I don't watch TV here, because you have to pay the biased, bigoted BBC to do so.
Comment N2:
Muslim can not eat Shellfish!! it shows how much you know about the religion.
When no one is proven guilty in gitmo, watching TV is not going to make things better.
The only difference between a democratic country and Terrorists is the rule of law and due process of innocent until proven guilty. When a country stoops to the same level as the terrorists, there is no hope for any of us. This is what differentiates Britain from the US.
@27
agreed Saladin,
when the UK tried to impose detention without trial it was quickly done away with, allowing (lost count now) 5 or 6? of about a dozen alleged terrorists the ability to abscond.... and who are now at large.
yup, thats what makes the UK great.
#3 neandethal75:
"He never mentions the FACT that the people inside Git-Mo ARE terrorists."
Really?
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/article26185...
"Neither does he mention the scores of those released from Git-Mo, have been found DEAD on battlefields in Iraq and Afghanistan, after taking up arms-again, against NATO and Coalition Forces."
You have proof of this assertion?
"When you walk down a street and you see many Muslims on the streets alongside you, don't forget to consider that almost half of the people you see; your neighbors, business owners, barristers, taxi drivers, housewives, school teachers, and religious clerics, want to do away with Secular Law and replace it with Sharia Law."
Population of Scotland:
5.06 million
http://www.scotland.gov.uk/News/Releases/2002/09/2323
Muslim population in Scotland:
42.6 thousand
Muslims currently make up make up 0.84% of the population in Scotland.
http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Publications/2005/02/20757/53570
Rather convenient YOU not mentioning such facts, isn't it?
3. Neanderthal75, Rocky Mountains USA
(Assuming you are not on a P*** Take)
"He never mentions the FACT that the people inside Git-Mo ARE terrorists. "
---How many have been 'arrested'?---How many have been charged?---How many have been convicted?
---Facts?
---What percentage of these people have been released without charge?
---If the USA had an invading army within its borders, would anyone who fights against that army be regarded as 'Terrorists'?
"The article simply does its best to ignore the FACT of terrorism: that the Jihadists have as their goal, the murdering of us all and our families."
---Really? That's the goal of "Jihadists'"?
"Don't forget people, 48% of Muslims in Great Britain want to END the Rule of Law and Secular Law, and replace it with Islamic Sharia Law.That is nearly 1 out of every 2 Muslims in Great Britain people."
---Really? Where did you learn that? Funny that I know muslims in the 'uk' and NOT A SINGLE ONE OF THEM wants the imposition of Sharia Law.
---BTW: What is Sharia Law? When and where did you first hear the name?
THere are 40 million Muslims in Europe, 8% of total population. Even going by your ridiculously biased figures that gives us 4% of the population of EU want Sharia Law. WHat are they going to do? Create a coup with 4%? Where? In each state withion EU? Or the whole EU all at the same time? A revolution with 4% mandate?
Assuming you are on the level with your fears, I would suggest that your fears are a)based on propaganda and misleading information, b)absurd and c) rascist.
TSW2
On the same time zone!
#30 Finnking II:
"WHat are they going to do? Create a coup with 4%? Where? In each state withion EU? Or the whole EU all at the same time? A revolution with 4% mandate?"
Aye, would be a bit of an up hill struggle!
"Muslims make up 0.84% of the population in Scotland"
Here are a few facts1) The biggest terror threat in this country comes from Muslims.
2) Those involved in 7/7 and most of those involved in recent arrests are home grown British Muslims, as opposed tom recent migrants.
3) It only takes a couple of wrong 'uns to cause serious disruption and, potentially, serious carnage.
4) Trouble with Islamic expansionism predates Israel/ Palestine. Go and google "Hindustani fanatics" if you want evidence. The Ottomans were trying to create a caliphate in Europe until 1683, siege of Vienna.
5) Parts of the Koran are unambiguously violent and disparaging about "Kuffrs". The usual response is "so is the Old Testament", ignoring the fact that Christianity and many of the rules governing our society are inspired by the New Testament.
Of course, we're so PC we can't actually say any of this - we can't confront Islam and encourage a reformation as happened in Christianity 400 years ago. Our police even have to divert their resources into searching old grannies for bombs on the Tube so as not to cause offense to Muslims.
As for the US - sure they tend to think might is right, sure they back the Israelis to the hilt, and yes - all of that is very irritating and unfair at times, but at least they:a) Know what they believe inb) Will fight to protect itc) Don't delude themselves that the world is full of nice people who ultimately share their values.
GET A GRIP! WAKE UP!
32. thatscottishwoman 2
It's yet another ill thought out propaganda soundbite that folk use to justify their own prejudice.
Also the idea that 50% of Muslims want Sharia Law is simply wrong.
How's the illness? Better?
33. Turku Bentu,
It's interesting to note that what you write could easily be applied to the radical Muslims (less than 1% of muslim population):
As for the Lunatics (on all sides!) - sure they tend to think might is right, sure they back the extremists to the hilt, and yes - all of that is very irritating and unfair at times, but at least they:a) Know what they believe inb) Will fight to protect itc) Don't delude themselves that the world is full of nice people who ultimately share their values.
You know what I mean? The same argument can be used by the other group of lunatics in our midst.
20. paulr
You should be ashamed of yourself for aing that comparison. You must be a troll.
29. thatscottishwoman 2
The liberal rag the independent is sugar coating the term terrorist and calling them "Sudanese journalist" to make the weak minded feel sorry for those killers. Why do you and Wally have a hard time providing links to credible sources? .
I'm the first to criticise those who are apologists for Saddam - however some of our American freinds are ignorant of what is going on in Guatanamo Bay.
In any case if they arte so convinced that these people are dangerous then why not try them under the laws of the country they are from?
38. Taking a Bigot's Money
Finally a poster that has been to Gitmo, please tell us everything you know.
#33 Turku Bentu:
Yes, I know my history.
Yes, I am familiar with the myriad fables, fairy tales, holy books. None of which I subscribe to.
No, I am not as signed up member of the PC brigade.
No, I don't delude myself that the world is full of nice people who ultimately share my values.
Radicalism is not limited to one faith or race. As Finnking at #35 rightly states there are more than a few groups of lunatics in our midst. Let us deal with them, rather than demonising a whole section of our society.
#34 Finnking:
Exactly.
Much better, building up my strength for the forthcoming festivals:-)
#29--TSW2--"Gitmo detainees return to terror""
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/09/24/terror/main6454...
it's an old article, so i hope it works...
i agree, when making such accusations, a link should be provided..
BTW..how are you feeling?
#42 Sandy:
Thank you for the link. My point exactly. Seven is hardly scores.
I am much better now, thanks. Wish the brain fog would lift though!
#39
Decide if you think this is the right way to treat someone has not been charged with any crime:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/65/Camp_x...
http://graypantherssf.igc.org/guantanamo.html
http://www.time.com/time/photoessays/guantanamo/3.html
Also try reading what Colin Powell (not exactly a liberal) says about Guantanamo.
#33--Turku Bentu---i'm in agreement w/your post w/one exception.""c)don't delude themselves that the world is full of nice people who ultimately share their values""
the world sure surprises the h@ll out of me every day in reading how so many countries are so criticle of the US, yet many do not afford their citizens the same rights as we have....i know they don't have that 'democratic Republic' thingy, & 'Bill of Rights' & our 'Constitution', but basic human rights such as *living free, speaking freely should be a given, but alas!
Whilst the US may have what appears to be "democracy" in place I would not be too smug - a president elected by just over 25% of those eligible to vote does not give room for comfort. Moreover, have you ever seen a poor politician in the US? Money talks and in a democracy that is a very dangerous thing.
#44--TBM---
www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/eibessential/illustrating_absur...
Did you notice that the article refers to people being "interned" at GBay.
So, Scotsman News, when the next journalist is held against his/her wishes with no charges etc would you please refer to these people not as 'held' or 'captive' or 'kidnapped' but "INTERNED"!
Amazing.
Sandy
Hi. "Land of the free"? You tried growing cannibis in Ohio? Walk to work naked? Form a Communist Party? Publicly asked decent and obvious questions about 911? (ask about the level of radiation around the Pentagon after 911! Puleeease! DU not used by Boeing for that type of plane! Oh, go on, ask your local senator about it! Put a letter in your local paper asking why radiation levels were up that day! Try it!).
Land of the brave: Yup, like anywhere else, mind you: Martin Luther King (killed), Zappa(dead, sadly), JFK (killed), Cynthia McKinney (ostracised),......Brave people go against the mainstream view. ("Daniel" etc)
#48--FinnkingII---
http://www.cpusa.org/
49. sandy
Thanks for that, Sandy. I stand corrected on that point. Do you get the broader point I ma makingthough? The difference between "Freedom" and "Freedoms"?
Did you read through the CP site?
If they're guilty, they should be made to watch the Paris Hilton News on a continuous loop. But let's have some f'n due process.
Finnking. Land of the free fluctuates from State to State. In Manhattan for instance, growing (or smoking) your own wouldn't raise much of an eyebrow. In Virginia they jail mothers for serving Beer at a 18 year olds graduation party. Probably like any country, the higher the education of the populace, the more open to discourse, of any sort.
TSW. Glad you're feeling better.
#20 Paulr. Moron.
#35 - I agree with you that the US holds its beliefs fervently - it's the point I was making, and it's a good thing! For all its faults I'd rather have burgerking and the Disneychannel than Sharia law. Secondly, american "opinion" and foreign policy is moderated by democracy, the Behaviour of Islamists or the leadership of Islamic states is not, and Islamism is the enemy of democracy or secularism.Also, how can you say that fewer than 1% of muslims are radicalised? - where did that figure come from, and how do you define an extremist? Other studies show 48% of UK Muslims want Sharia law. Some people might say that was quite extreme.
As for you # 40 thatscottishwoman "Yes, I am familiar with the myriad fables, fairy tales, holy books. None of which I subscribe to. "How ironic that someone who refers to religious beliefs as fairytales would also prevent us from questioning the values of Islam, instead saying that all religiouns or ideologies are expansionist and potenitally dangerous. Perhaps you'd like to estimate the current threat level to this country from catholic, jewish or humanist fundamentalists? No? Why? because there isn't one? Why is it that the ONLY countries I can think of where there are serious, powerful groups trying to establish a theocracy are Muslim countries?Come to think of it, why is it that the only extant theocracies I can think of are Muslim theocracies (and no - the vatican does not count - it has a population of about 300 people and is basically a big church)?
yet according to people like you, we can't actually say that Islam appears to have an agenda and values quite different from those we hold dear here. Ultimately I believe that's a very dangerous thing. It means the low grade, sullen, festering disaffectation which ultimately produces, nurtures and encourages people who wish to blow themselves and others up is never confronted or challenged in any meaningful way - nothing is ri
29
Interesting statistics I had a discussion recently with some of the Neonuts about the name Mohammed replacing John as the most common name in the UK in less than a year. So unless these Mohammeds are actually baptised in Christian churches I think it may be a wee bit o an exaggeration to say the least. I wonder what pish they are going to come up with next?
3
Yer well named. I dont think I need to add anything to whats already been said except you need a parental lock on yer PC.
42
I wonder how many innocents in Gitmo are actually being converted to the cause while serving there.Lets face it an innocent man in Gitmo is going to be pretty susceptible to anti US and Western sentiments dont you think?Its quite possible that Gitmo is becomming the biggest terrorist recuiting camp in the world.
@53
Jack was the most common name, Mohammed was second last year...
baptism has nothing to do with it, but if you like I will point you to the relevant government site and you can see for yourself?
pish? no.facts? yes.
source - 'The Times' using official statistics from The Office of National Statistics...
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article1890354.ece
Keep your head in the sand mate - creeping islamification is happening and you covering your ears and eyes wont make it go away.
#52 Turku bentu:
"As for you #40 thatscottishwoman.......". Slap.
As for me, I did not say that Islam should not be questioned or challenged. I said: "Radicalism is not limited to one race or faith. As Finnking at #35 rightly states there are more than a few groups of lunatics in our midst. Let us deal with them, rather than demonising a whole section of our society." I do however, think that all organised religions are potentially dangerous to the individual, and society, in that they can remove the will or ability to look beyond the "teachings".
All of the three major world religions have radical groups, all intent in furthering their cause. As with radical Islamists let us deal with them rather than demonising a whole section of society.
"I think the whole concept of gitmo is highly questionable, but you better remember, before launching into an anti-american tirade, that the guy who made possible the murder of nearly 3000 US citizens was living the high life as a personal guest of the Taliban. You better think about whose side you'r on"
I agree Guantanamo is highly questionable. It is a gross contradiction of US fundamental rights and values. This is why I think it should not have been established in the first place.
What anti-american tirade?
I am not on anyone's "side".
Here's a programme I found on the net. It might make interesting viewing not only for Guantanamo prisoners but probably all americans. Might be interesting for we Scots as well considering the Brown-nosing (or should I now say Broon-nosing our Westminster govt does to bush and haliburton (oops, sorry, Mr Cheynie)
http://movies.crooksandliars.com/Countdown-SpecialComment...
#22 paulr
paulr said:
"Has Neanderthal75 ever heard of "Evidence" or "Proof" or is he simply a throwback to Senator McCarthy and his witch hunts?"
Paulr, I have a question for you. I don't know where you live so for the sake of discussion, let's say it's in Great Britain. Doesn't make any real difference, this is just for the sake of discussion. During the Battle of Britain, many German aircraft were shot down over Britain and the crews that managed to parachute to safety were captured. They were then incarcerated. Not one of them got a lawyer. Not one of them had to prove beyond a shadow of doubt that they were German air crews. What's up with that? Were the British criminal in their treatment of these men?
Axis of weasel Salmond responded to the 9/11 atrocities, where innocent Scottish people died, by saying"Islam is one of the world's greatest religions".
John Smeaton response to the terrorists at Glasgow Airport is "come to Glasgow and we'll set about you".
Johno you are a REAL PATRIOT MATE!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCqprbH7mrg
re 49: Land of the free? you jest, sir. Have look at the film recommended in my posting 58 and you might just change your mind. But being possibly an american bigot who, no doubt, believes that the US has a God-given right to rule the planet, you probably won't bother.
#14. scot yank, usa
Scot Yank. Is that Cockney rhyming slang?
#60 W. Smith
Thanks for the link. Couldn't understand a word, but caught that, 'we'll set about ya' part. Nice. I notice that he didn't wait til the terrorists lawyers had arrived, didn't wait til he consulted the Geneva Accords, he just 'set about' the terrorist.
TSW, Paulr, Finnking, Boyce et al should be on here demanding that John be arrested for assault.
#61 scotnat
Not being an American you don't realize that you have posted a video from Keith Olberman. Why stop there? Just quote directly from Chairman Mao's Little Red Book. No real difference.
56
Ok xxxxxxxx if you like statistics how about these apples.
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/specials/babiesnames_boys.asp
from 2002 right through to 2005 the second most popular name was Joshua yet we dont seem to be a Zionist state as yet.Are you therefore suggesting that there is also a creeping insidious movement of Zionists within the UK? and if so what do you suggest we do about it kill all the first born as the Bible suggests?
#15 & #16Ho-ho, art thy enemy is ignorance.I was going to start by saying, "It's not?" but that sarcasm might escape you.However, this satirical paper does make excellent points in true ironic style.
#66 Boyce
So John Smeaton has a "blood lust"?
The SNP are showing their real colours now!
Salmond's friendship with George Galloway. Bill Wilson the communist is one of the SNP's MSPs.The union jack is the 'butchers apron', etc, etc.
I have argued FOR independence but I don't want to hang out with the likes of you or Salmond.
Bye bye.
69
Aye and good riddence.
Nomad
That is actually a very good point (WWII POW vs GitMo "guests" , seriously.
First thoughts (I must leave soon - so quickly)
1. Geneva Convention2. They were not regarded as criminals nor terrorists.3. Name, rank, Serial number.4. tacit understanding that one country's POWs would be looked after well if reciprocal....5. Fighthing in an actual war.
no?
Must go. Later.
Apart from to say that there is nothing wrong with the Wee Red Book by Mao. Great read. Try it.
Post 74 is not mine.
This sad man of a troll simply went through the process of registration using the name and location as one 'name'.
THe Scotsman needs to do something about this. Please be aware.
