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These figures are apalling.Sex education has failed.
Wear johnnies you little brats!!!!!!!
These quotes are appalling.Education has failed me.
This is nothing new. In 1983 in the Eastern General a patient following a hysterectomy made a rapid recovery as she had to keep out of the way of the girls boasting it was their 3rd or 4th abortion. The patients daughter had to tip foetuses down the toilet whilst training in the same hospital during the ancillary workers strike. Maybe if there was some cost involved to them they would think twice.
Yes Precious, the nassty Mario has failed to terminate us, hasn't he? We will bring our blog back and show him we are not afraid of him.
http://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=843032007
Why can't we talk about this idiot?
You scare me you really do.
Is it the same girl having abortions every day ?
This is nothing bad parenting letting their child to become vulnerable....
Ok - I agree these stats are shocking, but it is not better that they have the abortions than have the kids - after all we end up keeping them, and then they'll go up, have their own kids and round and round we go....
Oooh Paul, you're such a tease!
I've been posting Photies of posties on the Internude.
The saddest thing going on here is that somebody must have a wee text file or mail which they posted to themself with all these "hilarious" funny names.
Well done.
18.Three words: pot, kettle, black.
I'm confused. Can someone let me in on what's going on in the posts above?
Yes, sex education has failed. It needs to be far more extensive, more frank and open, and at a much earlier age. The Dutch experience proves that education results in well-informed kids taking responsibility for their own reproduction, whilst the ignorance-based approach that religious extremists like Cardinal O'Brien advocate are the cause of massive social harm and wasted lives as kids fall victim by being abusively deprived of information. The Evening News shouldn't give these madmen the oxygen of publicity for their hate-ridden views.
20) Sure can, buddy, I am on the trail of the quack doctor who was hired by a teenage junkie from Craigmillar to abort Paul Voltaire, but instead installed him in a fishtank, fed and watered him and kept him warm until he was big and ugly and opinionated enough to break out and wreak his terrible vengeance on the society that spawned and rejected him by posting completely vacuous nonsense on this site day after day until the evil Dr. Mario Hexagon got fed up with his salacious advances and since then the two of them have been locked in a bitter feud to dominate these threads with their bitter and twisted viewpoints which quite frankly bore the pants off me, but evidence is evidence, the only consolation being that in Edinburgh you can always find a good wholesome slice of cherry pie and a cup of damn fine coffee.
I think the parents are to blame. My parents were old school hard stance on matters like teenage/unmarried pregancies so put the fear of death into me not to be so bloody careless.
The problem is children having children and society going round in circles. Education or Abstenance?
I beleive in a womans choice but some of these young girls don't seem to care. It should be made more difficult to have an abortion rather than making it like nipping to the shops for a bottle of milk. There appears to be no repercusions for these girls.
IF you keep that up Special Agent , I might have to bring back BOB.
#21...and big bushy moustaches.Betcha can't wait to snog me, Paul!
I believe abortion should be available to all who need it.But I dont think it should a method of birth control. Encourage boys to use condoms and girls to go on the pill or whatever method they want. It should be openly and routinely discussed in schools. By specialist counsellors if necessary...often teenage mums themselves have some advice on the difficulties of having a child to care for, when you are still a child yourself.
#23 As I suspected. It was always going to be the most obvious answer. Well done to all concerned.
I have a joke...
Why shouldn't you wear Russian underpants?
# 22 Sally F.
Well said! The RC Church seems to think that a return to back-street abortions would be a good thing.
It's stubborn and nonsensical refusal to accept any approach other than abstinance until marriage is classic ostrich-like behaviour from a deeply reactionary organisation with a shameful record on child welfare.
Young adults need to be made aware of the consequences - and there are many - of indulging in sex at an early stage and the backward stance of the Catholic Church - in seeeking to deny children access to sensible and practical advice (without the usual guilt-laden slant from O'Brien & Co) - yet again marks the church out and a negative force in society.
Again the Dutch (and Scandinavians) seem to do it better - ignoring the rants from the militant religionists.
#6. John 1. I worked in Gynae and theatres at the E.G.H during that timescale. My experience was nothing like you describe. I never came across any girl boasting about aborting their 3rd or 4th fetus, in fact the devastation and anguish the majority of young girls went through was what I remember most vividly. Most of them were an emotional mess, before and afterward, and pretty unlikely to be crowing about aborting their babies to the other patients. It was not easy to obtain a termination of pregnancy then, contrary to belief, as young women still had to seek permission from two doctors and the doctors in question were diligent in exercising the law, and took a very dim view of repeat customers. Your comment about the daughter of the friend having to tip fetuses down the toilet during an ancillary workers strike is graphic and sensationalist, and not the point. I think everyone would understand that the end result of a termination of pregnancy is horrible. If your experience is as second hand as you describe, I am not surprised you have limited compassion. You need to go back and look at the comment in the article written by the Caledonia youth group spokesman, someone who deals with this issue every day. You say 'maybe if there was a cost involved to them, they might think twice.' Before the Abortion Bill came in, there was a financial cost and back street abortionists filled a niche market. Would you like to see a return to that? It didn't seem to stop women having unwanted pregnancies even when there was a financial cost to them to abort. Until we develop a form of contraception which is 100% safe and without side-effects, there will never be an end to unwanted pregnancies, no matter how much we all wish it were otherwise, and no matter how much we wish our teenagers would abstain from sex, that ain't gonna happen either.
I used to like these comments boards when people actually wrote interesting points and/or actual comments on the article in question. It seems to have some a bizarre and completely unfunny series of jokes. Maybe I have no sense of humour.
But this issue is becoming a joke. Yes there is a total lack of decent sex eductaion in schools BUT that has been the case for years. My sex eductaion was woefully inadequate but only one girl out of a school of over 1200 pupils got pregnant in the whole 6 years I was there. So what has changed? Part of the responsbilty has to lay with the schools and the parents BUT I say blame the kids. EVERY teenager knows what a condom is, if they say they don't then they are liars.
That's me: bizarre and completely unfunny.I have no sense of humour either, ask Mario.
It's true, unfortunately neither do I.
One day my dream of a Dadaist Revolution will come true.
Now tell me about Russian Pants.
Two can play at that Mario.
I want to know about the pants.
#32.I agree, they are not being funny today. Sometimes they are a bit funny, this is an off day....they have had a few off days recently. They need MSN so that they can play together without cluttering up the boards because they are bored. It must be a slow day at the office. Is it a slow day at the office, boys?
#36I had a load of posts removed once and my fence fell down!!!
#39
'cos Chernobyl fallout.
40.I cannot give Paul my MSN address because he enjoys sexually harrassing me. At least this public forum moderates his language.
Ha ha ha Leathermashie. That is so funny!!! Well worth waiting for.
Never has a generation had so much knowledge yet done so little with it. No one would advocate going back to the good old days of locking unmarried mothers up for imorality (not so sure about Cardinal O'Brien on this point). Ignorance for this generation is not the excuse, complacency maybe and the simple fact that there are no real consequences to their actions, more likely. Maybe ignorance is bliss after all. But I for one would have hated to be tied down with a child as a teenager and would not have been a good parent. But I am not saying that this would be true for others as we are all different and surely it is the quality of parenting a child receives that is important to the child not the age of the parent. So maybe instead of focusing on teenage parents society should be thinking of good parenting full stop, not how old is the parent.
#43. Don't be coy. You love it!
Suzi , it a very slow day at the office.
It's also a very slow news day.
You know , the UK has had one of the worlds worst records on teenage pregnancies for years. YEARS. Now suddenly the Scotsman (or the evening news , its increasingly hard to tell which is which) cant think of anything to write about so they fall back on something about teenage pregnancies.
Up to them, totally, and if you have been living on The moon for the past three decades i guess it could be considered news.
So , type away about it and how you are going to solve it because we're all just DYING to know.
Abortion is not a laughing matter and not something that women decide upon easily.I just wish that the "men" who seem to have so much to say on the matter would back off and leave the "choice" to women, the people that it effects.In October this year it is 40 years since abortion was legalised in this country and I do not think that anyone would want to see women having to go through what they had to pre 1967.When men are the ones that have children they can comment not before .
Of course, Teenagers also includes young women aged 18 and 19 who are doing nothing remotely illegal.
Keep your rosaries off my ovaries
Not what ? Dont be getting young girls pregnant paul !
Coy, unlike you and your multiple identities.
you are coy like a carp.
For the love of god, you're not starting up that blog again are you ?
Why shouldn't I?You loved it really. That much was obvious from all the comments you left.
I only left one once.
Nothing personal but there are millions upon millions of blogs out there and its no that good.
Whats Big and Small at the same time ?
A big Egg.
kids today are taught about contraception but often fail to use it which is daft,they could spare themselves a lot of heartache if they did,not to mention STDs!
Isnt it interesting how the wording of a headline can direct the thinking of those who read it. ONE CITY TEENAGE GIRL A DAY HAS ABORTION has led us to discuss and comment on many aspects of this article but has not highlighted the most important p issue. If the Headline had read DOCTORS KILL ONE CITY BABY EACH DAY WITH MOTHERS CONSENT we would be having a very different discussion. It is a fact that something dies during an abortion- what that something is is the most important question we should be asking. If the preborn is not a human being and not a member of the human family then no justification for abortion is necessary- lets just make the procedure as easy as possible and articles like this are unecessary- BUT if the preborn is Human and a member of the human family then no justification for abortion is adaquate and we should not be making it easy for one human being to take the life of another. If fact we should be making it so difficult that it becomes unthinkable. This does not mean that we do not care for young teenage mothers but that we also care for the unborn children of those mothers, and every mother. Abortion is not a good choice.
So why is having an abortion so much worse than having a child which they don't want, and in all probability grow up unloved and neglected. As for the cardinal, he can go back to rome, we got rid of his timfoolery years ago, and I for one would be quite prepared to take up arms to ensure we continue to lead our lives without papist meddling!
#66 Fud. This is 2007 not 1690. No-one listens to the church except brainwashed church goers. For you information, none of the churches agree iwth abortion. The catholic church have a strange stance agaisnt wee rubber sheaths.... very bizzarre but not bizzarre as your 'I'll take up arms' p1sh. Yer maw should have aborted you.
Do you think Paul Voltaire and Super Mario could get lost so we don't have to read all their s.... as it gets boring after a while
The main problem is lassies droapin' thir knickers.However, I am glad that some still do.
#69. In a nutshell! Lassies, keep yer knickers up! Look at the hassle you are causing everyone.
BTW, another problem is the price of condoms - £3 for two? what the feck is that? I can buy 100 huge rocket balloons for my wee son for that price.
#65. Gruntmacanadook
'Every sperm is sacred.Every sperm is great.If a sperm is wasted,God gets quite irate.' (Monty Python)
There's no point chewing over the ethics of the meaning of life and bringing the 'right to life' versus 'choice' out of the woodwork. The debate on this page is not about the morality of the issue of termination of pregnancy, but that of avoiding the issue in the first place. I would prefer entirely if I had never had to work in that environment as a nurse and I'm sure there isn't a doctor out there who enjoys carrying out terminations of pregnancy, so we have a vested interest in wanting women to be educated in the successful use of contraception.
#71.
Hope your wife is reading over your shoulder and takes you sound advice on the panties issue. ;-)
Also connies are free for teenagers on production of a C.card in Edinburgh. You can get them at chemists who are part of the scheme, and the card and condoms at 32 Cockburn Street, no questions asked. http://www.ccard.org.uk has the details. Of course, I only know this because I have had my sex education from my teenage children, as is right and proper! They think they have more to fear from me getting pregnant again, than them becoming pregnant as teenagers!
# 66 Allan
As an atheist I find much fault with the RC church - and also disagree with its position on a range of moral issues.
If I were a Christian I would doubtless have serious issues of a theological or doctrinal nature with the RC Church.
You, however, display all the attributes and knuckledragging charm of the brain-dead sectarian bigot.
Why don't you toodle off and play with you bowler, white gloves and big drum - and leave this difficult thinking stuff to those better equipped to participate.
You, Sir, are a complete (orange coloured) tool.
Its all very well & good saying that the kids should know better & they should but at the end of the day mishaps do happen, then the girls left in a possition of faceing raising a kid who they dont want and may very well resent for the rest of their lives, or having an abortion and trying to go back to normal life. Having hopefully learned a valuble lesson on safe sex and hopefully only sleeping with partners who are likely to stay around if they do decide to keep the child. Do these men still excist btw?!
There are many teenaged mothers out there who are good mothers and do the best by their kids but unfortunatly there are also a lot of young parents as with parents in general who should have their kids taken off them by social services.
In some ways it might be nice if these unwanted babies were born then put up for adoption to families who cant have kids however theres not much chance of this happening & the effects on the child who was put up for adoption would be potentially detramental as they would know they were unwanted & no kid needs or deserves to feel like that!!
At the end of the day no one in society wants little kids who are unwanted running riot in the streets taking drugs, raising hell & reproducing all because their mothers cant be bothered to care for them & teach them right from wrong!!
Abortion denies the most basic of human rights the right to life. People may say it should be the woman's choice because she is most effected. Bullsh*t, the person most effected is the one being murdered, and these babes deserve the option to live. Should another person's stupidity/carelessness be a death sentence for an unborn child? Why is it that the woman's movement has come to embrace death???
Most people consider it abhorrent that Indians and Chinese choose to abort females and wait for a male child to carry to term. I choose to think that abortion for any reason is an awful choice. Adoption is far more humane, but it is an inconvenience.
I find it particularly disgusting that the tissues of these dead babies are used in research. In many cases they are sold for a profit to universities and other research facilities.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3031800.stm
Sally Fairweather - well said
#77 ConstantineYou're obviously a bloke then, eh? Do you really think a woman just nips down for a quick abortion in her lunch break - out for a drink and a laugh with the girls later, no problem! Where is the father in all of this? I think the men should be made to pay for these children some of them go about spraying all over the place. Punish them too - you father 5 children, you pay for them. Maybe then they will take some responsibility and start using condoms like responsible people do.
As i have said before on this issue was that the young girls can get themselves alcohol and get drunk very easily that's just one issue,, the next being, when the government stopped handing out dole money to the school leavers, unless you attended higher education,ie , college,,so the young girls got themselves preggers, a house,free home contents,, push chair,rent paid for and a big fat giro every week,,crisis loans for parties, more young girls getting pregnant,more home to single parents, more parties, more young girls getting drunk, more everything, i could go on and on,, and apart from all that they have no self respect, so in other words they are all just little slags,,,,, end off....
79 JG, Yes I'm a man and it's no crime for me to have an opinion about this. I agree with you. Where is the father? A father of five that can't or won't support his children should be pilloried.
Where is the father's consent to have this done? That is a good question. If the consequences are to be shared so should the responsibility for making the decisions.A father and mother should both be in agreement. I believe that would cut abortions down dramatically.
"nips down for a quick abortion " I neither said nor implied that. It is a horrible experience for any woman. Contrary to some previous posts I believe that women would go to great lengths not to go through with an abortion, but they don't see the alternative (adoption). Besides from what I've read it's a terrible burden to place on a young lady's shoulders. I feel great sympathy all women who regret that one decision.
I doubt whether anyone is really in favour of abortion but most people can understand why it happens, and would not condemn a woman who made the incredibly difficult decision to have an abortion. It's not a black and white issue. I studied Christian Ethics as part of my BD at New College and don't have all the answers...I doubt whether anyone has. What I do know is that women do not seek abortion lightly, and will have agonised over their decision. As a practising but very frustrated Catholic, I feel the Church needs to look at how it has treated women over the centuries. Augustine demonised Mary Magdalene by identifying her as a prostitute when there's no evidence in the Bible to back this up. Women have been treated as second class citizens and denied equality of ministry. I think if the Catholic Church had women priests then some women who were thinking about abortion would feel more able to talk to a priest. My heart goes out to any woman who has had an abortion for whatever reason.
I think chico #48 says it all!Abortion is "ABSOLUTLY" not a procedure, that anyone should joke about!It is a Death for new life, and unless you are a Robot or something, it will leave an emotional scar, to all "WOMAN" that decide to have an Abortion!It takes "two to tango" I don't see any Males on here saying "sorry I didn't mean to get you pregnant"As usual, even in the year 2007 woman dont get the respect they deserve, Abortion or not!
Agree with #13. So many young girls have one child after another and the people pay for it. And are are terrible mothers who should have been forced to have their tubes tied. Then again, why can't the girl who makes a big mistake , finds herself pregnant and is not ready to have a child have a legal and SAFE abortion?Adoption is not always the best option. some girls are far too young to go through childbirth, others not emotionally able to give the cvhild up for adoption yet can't take care of it. A never ending battle that will go on for years and years.
#81 ConstantineAnd that would be fine if everyone was at least someway moral - but they aren't. In established relationships I would hope that the couple concerned WOULD discuss their options but many of these pregnancies occur as a result of foolishness on the part of one (or usually both) of the people concerned. Under those circumstances it is invariably the female who is literally left holding the baby and daddy clears off. 21st century or not, there is still a stigma that goes with an unattached girl having a baby.
86 It's a tough issue, and not one that will be resolved in a Hootsman forum. :-)
I do believe that everyone should at least be given the right to life. If more options were open to the girls there would be less abortions. Counselling, talking to prospective adopting parents, and forcing fathers to take at least financial responsibility for the babies would all be a step forward. If more men knew they would be held responsible they would be more reserved about spreading their genes around. I think that many of the girls just don't see any way out of the fix.
There is no doubt a stigma in being 15 and pregnant. Single and pregnant isn't nearly as difficult as even 20 years ago.
The more liberal the parents the more sluty the daughters and their are many anti-American comments posted on the International pages from people from Edinburgh so that means their are a lot of liberals in Endinburgh, hence more sluty daughters getting abortions.
The problem is obviously either a lack of sex education or a poor sex education system. Time for Scotland to adopt the Dutch model for sex education in schools. In typical Scottish fashion we dont want to talk about it until its too late.
Funny the Scotsman would publish these alleged statistics on the same day the head Papist is THREATENING Scottish politicians and thereby threatening the very political system.
88. Dennis M.
I've been to Scotland several times and they are almost as loose at the girls in Spain.
#89.That post was nothing but verbal vomit.
#91.You should be so lucky.
#88, 89 and 91I sincerely hope you have your own teenage daughters one day so that we may sit in judgement on you when the inevitable happens.
MORE teenage girls in Edinburgh have had abortions carried out than ever before with an average of one a day now going through the trauma.
Er, "trauma"? Would the reporter also describe middle aged men having heart surgery in the same terms?
Pathetic.
Well its good to see how seriously this article is being treated by the vast majority of posters! I think I have spotted about 5 half decent comments you know the ones that don't talk about Scots girls being slutty and keeping their knickers on etc etc. Wells lads hows about the notion of it takes two to tango so why don't we start saying Scots boys should keep their wee man in their pants and then there wouldn't be such a problem. As for our American pal suggesting that abortion should be made so difficult that it won't happen anymore. Well my friend I suggest you rejoin your pals in LaLa land. The only alternative to safe abortions are unsafe, backstreet abortions. Oh but of course it is women who would have to pay the price for that so I guess thats ok then - hawf wit. No one likes the idea but it sure beats the he** out of the alternative.
