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This must be a mistake! The holier than thou Chirac, has hopefully dug himself a hole that he can't get out of.
arrest chirac & villepin & by all means, confiscate their white flags.........
Sandy, #3,
When have either Chirac or De Villepin surrendered?
I know it must be fun for you to humiliate the French, but I hope that you can take it as much as you can dish it out. After all, we haven't been winning many wars lately. It's only a matter of time before the Chinese (or whomever) joke around about how the West capitulated to Islam.
This post came out sounding harsher than I wanted it to, but when you make derogatory comments you actually insult all of us (Americans.)
I always wondered where he has been hiding the bribes he received from Sadam.
I feel compelled to apologize for "4. wicked_grey's" comments, she/he has no right to attack Sandy or others for expressing their views. She/he must be a liberal as they only like hearing views from one side.
The French are a sorry bunch for supporting someone who took Millions in bribes from Sadam to denounce the USA and vote against going into Iraq.
#5-constellation- Same here. I guess he should have hid it in a swiss bank like kofi anon did.
Dammit! Are there NO honourable honest politicians anywhere???
6 what about all the other un members who voted against invading iraq . were they all taking bribes ?
#9 No
Chirac,Blair,Berlisconi are all nothing but crooks and should be dealt with accordingly.
The French electorate accepts that French politicians are corrupt, both raising money for their parties (a way of perverting democracy as in the UK and elsewhere) and for personal enrichment. The French electorate isn't naive. De Gaulle's Foccart circuit was a standing joke. But the link to French international policy is much looser or non-existent. French national interest takes precedence over personal enrichment: cash for oil scandals did not push Chirac to reject the Anglo-American invasion of Iraq. It was supported by the vast majority of French who thought it illegal, badly planned and aimed at increasing US dominance in the ME and the rest of the world (See the Wolfowitz Doctrine). In general French scandals consist in bribing order-givers to obtain commercial contracts, as was probably the case in recent UK scandals whose prosecution Goldilocks, of current three bears fame, deemed not in the national interest. In France we get the impression the English (Scots?) refuse to see what they don't want to see or maybe just lack courage when faced with systemic abuse of power.
Excellent article by Susan Bell.
Would that English/Scottish prosecutors showed the same courage.
#4 weird u should say that im mates wi a guy fae beijing studying here and he says while wescoff at the human rights, etc... they scoff more at our cultural genocide- being sold out to islam by people like chirac and his ilk
12. Toast
Don't lump Blair & Berlisconi in with what Chirac & Kofi did to water down the huge bribes Chirac & Kofi took to help change public opinion.
#4--wicked_grey----lighten-up!!
#6--constellation...:)
#10--big big fun---probably!
No, four if you think we lost "Nam or Iraq then qualify. Our MILITARY didn't lose the war. It was the extreme left wing and the major media that lost Nam and are doing their best to lose Iraq.
As for #18 it would be more correct to say that Chirac and Kofe changed public attention to hide their corruption.
In either case corrupt politicans are the biggest danger to any democracy. #13 Take off the rose colored glasses corruption is corruption and the citizens of France or any country should not tolotate it. Think maybe that the French citizen was more nutural at first (waiting for more facts) but you were brainwashed by a corrupt leader. Don't take corruption as part of the process, change it.
Well of course his payoffs from Saddam Hussein could easily account for that amount.
He looked and sounded like a sleazeball; now we know he is one.
#21 You did lose the war in Vietnam. Remember, John Wayne wasn't really there. Movies aren't real.
Japan?-- but Chirac is naive. Our own Binky Scudderbumps, aka "Big Turnip" (the Arkansas traveller, 1993 -2000), keeps his 9-figure stash with Marc Rich in Geneva (courtesy of Red Chinese military intelligence, via Charlie Trie of Livermore Labs [warhead developers in California]).
In office, Chirac, Clinton et.al. may "prosecute the Prosecutors". As private citizens, their partisans embrace inertia, blaming the messenger until ill-gotten hoards become simply undeniable.
With Pericles, America's Hamilton, Madison and Jay (Federalist Papers) declared that absent "good men" no democratic republic can survive. We may accommodate incompetents and fools, but once the sellout rot takes hold, vaunted patriotism becomes mere sham. (See Axelrod, "The Evolution of Cooperation".) Where Chiefs of State are "in it for the money", tumbrils roll.
Having fingered Chirac and Clinton (who romps with us yet), how grasp such nettles? No Council of Elders, no Praetorian Guard will long resist avarice, deaf to siren songs of unchecked power. Virtue itself defaults to zero... pint of the usual, and so it goes.
23. Guga II, Rockall
Whatever happened to the first Guga?
3. sandy, USA
"confiscate their white flags"
It could be the worlds largest "White Sale"
"I don't know why people are surprised that France won't help us get Saddam out of Iraq. After all, France wouldn't help us get the Germans out of France." —Jay Leno
#23 I agree. Whether caused by the military, media, government or will of the American people, the outcome in Vietnam was not favorable to the US. Therefore I, too, would call it a loss.
The question that never gets asked to the people who cheer it, however, is whether that loss was good for the people of Vietnam and the rest of southeast Asia.
(Hint: Google "Boat people" and "Killing fields.")
"I would call the French scum bags, but that, of course, would be a disservice to bags filled with scum."- Dennis Miller
"You know why the French don't want to bomb Saddam Hussein? Because he hates America, he loves mistresses and wears a beret. He must be French"
"According to the Pentagon today, secret surrender negotiations are now underway with key Iraqi military officials. That's what the Pentagon said: We're in secret negotiations, so for God sakes, don't tell anyone. ... What we're doing basically is giving these key Iraqi military officials instructions on how to surrender. See, this is where we could have used the French." —Jay Leno
"French troops arrived in Afghanistan last week, and not a minute too soon. The French are acting as advisers to the Taliban, to teach them how to surrender properly." —Jay Leno
Check out this French Military Magazine !!!
http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/images/blpic-fren...
Check out the French Army Knife with the "Pop-Up White Flag"
"#21 You did lose the war in Vietnam. Remember, John Wayne wasn't really there. Movies aren't real."
Actually we didnt. Read a book. The VC was destroyed as a fighting force, the North army was pushed back and decimated. It wasnt until the US left Vietnam and the US congress cut off South Vietnam that the North Vietnamese army re invaded the south, overwhelming the South Vietnamese army. You are entitled to your own opinion, not your own facts. No one other than you mentioned John Wayne or the movies.
Chirac using his bribe money to play puppet master.
http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/images/blpic-chir...
Arrest him for what? He has not been proved guilty of anything yet. Personally I can't stand the yellow bellied socialist coward but he has his rights until proven guilty.
Why do people like #4 always have to misdirect the subject of conversation to their favorite hobbyhorse: hating America?
Dear Mr. Wicked: Please focus and try to pay attention to what the adults are talking about at the moment. The anti-American articles are elsewhere and await your valuable input.
The question about Chirac only begins with the Japanese deal. This is a man who has had his hand in every till, including the coupons for oil from Iraq. The great irony of the Iraq war is that the ideologically blind Left accused the United States of waging war for oil, but it was Russia, France, and China who benefited from the secret deals.
#24,Pyrthroes, Your text book college kid answers may make you sound smart, but you've faltered.NEVER, EVER, EVER EVER, would there be a such thing as a "democratic republic" The federalist Papers in fact are the direct result of a conflict of interest between 'democracies' and a "republic". The United States of America (of old, before 1913) Was a Republic, and with it, the 'mob rule' democratic principles were rejected in whole. In fact the word democracy Never appears in the US Constitution, and the Federalist Papers compare and contrast the ideas between a republic and a democracy. US citizens of old were pretty smart, but today, they've been shamed into believing that they are 'democratic'. democratic means corporate driven mob rule, and was not the form of govt. chosen by the founders of the US. In fact, You will NEVER find the term Democratic republic in the Federalist Papers because they are opposing ideas...(i think i'd said that before) anyways, Mankind is unable to rule himself, and that has been shown time and time again. Mankind dies, and therefor is unable to sustain a just system of government for more than a wisper of breath. blah blah blah....
saddie...thanks for the laughs...and they are good. Your links are hysterically funny!!Thanks again
Sandy, #19,
***Lightening up.***
Seriously though, you never lose an opportunity to diss the French! They're not as bad as you think ;)
Michael K, #41,
"Why do people like #4 always have to misdirect the subject of conversation to their favorite hobbyhorse: hating America?"
Actually read the post before you comment: I was posting about needlessly insulting the French. Of course, you only saw what you wanted to see. I'm proud to be an American. Too bad you're ashamed to tell us where you're from.
44. wicked_grey
Why must you always be so nasty and negative?
#44--wicked_grey----you must admit the "white flag" thingy is pretty darn funny:)
**saddie**........great fun!!:o)
Sandy, #46,
I admit nothing! You can't make me!!! :)
Saddie, I was viewing one of your great links and found this one of Chirac!!!!
Another great one!
I always find these sort of comments amusing.
Suppose we reverse the situation. Suppose the Vietnamese had invaded the USA. After inflicting 1,000,000+ casualties on us, they had disengaged. Afterwards, sthe Vietnamese went on to new heights of power and prosperity, and the USA collapsed, and 20 years latter was begging the Vietnamese for help in adopting Communism?
Would you argue then that the USA had won the war? On what grounds? I sense a double standard in your standards of victory and defeat.
As for whether the USA 'lost' the war in the field or in public perceptions, the definitive answer to this comes from the Vietnamese leadership themselves. General Giap, who is I will grant you one of the finest commanders of the 20th century, stated quite clearly in his writings that he had been defeated in the field, but that it had never been his strategy to obtain (an impossible) military victory, but rather that he could obtain the illusion of victory and this perception would ultimately amount to the same thing. Don't take my word for it. Read your history. Or did you not learn in school that real history is the study of first person history?
The USA won anyway, despite the best efforts of traitors here at home. The people who lost when we retreated were the Vietnamese people themselves - the ones who had trusted us and the ones who blinded believed that they were fighting for some utopia which thier leaders lacked the ability to actually bring. They had fought for a misguided ideology against an enemy that had no desire to rule over them if only they would not ally themselves with our enemies. They fought in a losing cause made all that more tragic because after they lost, the only power that could actually help them fled that responcibility. So, they had to suffer through long dark years that didn't actuall
OH, and France says that they are a republic....Hahahahahah...fooled again.....if only people would open eyes, and insert view, and stop opening mouth and inserting twinkies, then maybe they wouldn't be fooled into thinking that there is a difference between any man-constructed effort to rule others.
I guess this means we can once again drink French wine...but this time to celebrate!
Like my old friend says..."Politicians are the best money can buy" ....
Seems like liberals are the same the whole world over.
Let him eat cake
I have been to France,I haves seen all the parisites
#40 no in France I think the burden of proof is innocence (not guilt)....therefore on their shore it is 'guilty until proven innocent'.
Chirac is typical of the liberal Elite. Always claiming to be for the little guy or working man but in the end they believe that only they should be wealthy and everyone else peasants. It's the same with the liberal democrats here in the US. Chirac is nothing but a crook who should be in prison.
