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There's already a McDonald's on it.
a new base for new New Labour ?
Take me please. Or Iran can. LOL
#2 Scullion. Their quarter pounders would be half-pounders. Do they cost twice as much?
Maybe we might be lucky and get a visit from other "earthlings". It might make us all learn to live and let live here on the blue marble planet.
Faye, you are a Rock chick babe! lol
All that money spent on seeing a planet that just looks like earth.
Could they no just wander over tae the windae?
it's quit interesting that so much speculation surrounds this findings. but if we check this plant out and it has life, which it may, do we or are we ready to face the consequences of disturbing life on this planet. we would want to understand other life by even killing it ti under stand and not even thinking of how it may feel or going through, don't you think they may be the same or even worst.
why r u looking for life on other planets? and what r u going to do when u find it? can you people answer that.
#8 I see the pervert troll with an obsession about me is back again, with yet another pseudonym to add to the list.
Like I've told you before, go and get some good psychiatric help, before they lock you up.
AN EARTH-LIKE place which could be covered in rivers, lakes and oceans and may support life has been discovered outside the solar system.
Could it be they have discovered Glenrothes :)
A 'new Earth' 20 light years away
To think that earth homo-sapiens could ever reach this "new Earth" planet is nonsence and illogical
This planet is 120,000,000,000,000, miles in a straight line from our earth. That's 120 trillion miles to travel.
Our current spacecraft both Russian and American have max speed in space of 25,000 mph.
It would take 547,954 years for our spacecraft to reach the "new Earth" planet at 25,000mph.
Even if we could travel at 185,000 mps (1000mpc < than speed light). it would take 1,234 years to reach that planet.
Then how do you overcome the LAG time in communicating in space.
A message sent to the "new Earth" planet from our earth, and a response to come back to earth, would take 2,250 years, using radio waves traveling @ 186,000mps.
But before we could send a message , we need to wait 547,954 years at spacecraft speed, or 1234 years at 185,000mpc speed, for the craft to land on the "new Earth" planet.
As for fuel, even ion fuel, FORGET IT.
Lastly we need a craft to hold and sustain 100,000 women plus 1000 men all young and healthy.
They need to keep breeding and re-breeding for either 547,954 years, or 1,234 years .
But because of the limited capacity and food supply of the spacecraft, people must be jettisoned through the voyage.
So stick with your election and keep on squawking. Because nobody is ever going to land on the "New Earth" planet from here .
But wait a minute, all you religious fresks , why not speak to your GODS (dogs) and ask them how to proceed.
Hey my friends just arrive , must close . Going to fire up an fresh new Hawaiian spleef.
Have a nice flight
Galactic cannibal
I hear this planet has banned Rangers from playing there because they don't tolerate bigotry and sectarianism.
They have invited Celtic to play a testimonial against their all-stars.
I hope for the sake of that planet that it remains a bit of a trek to get there. Because the first thing man would do if he ever set foot on it would be to set about systematically wrecking it.
Lets hope the Americans are not first to inhabit the place as it will be nackered with MuckDonalds and churches or is one the other in America?
They can't even get the star right.Some reports name the parent star as mu Arae,others report it as Gliese 581.These two stars are in the constellations of Ara and Libra, in two entirely different directions!So don't start making plans to travel, until they've sorted out important details such as knowing where to point the rocket.
The Hubble telescope this morning reported seeing movement on the surface. A white object, with creatures moving around it dumping gas canisters and paving slabs.
Stick a Butcher's Apron on it. Colour it pink and declate war in the name of the Evil Brutish Empah.
Hibs could win the cup there?
I'm glad they've found a new planet -- I'm still sad & confused since Pluto was sacked....
A 13-day orbit??? That's gey close to its parent star, isn't it??
A Tanning Centre!!!!
Let's go. 20.5 light years is nothing! The way my partner drives her car, we could be there inside a fortnight! Anyone want a lift?? We'd have to share fuel costs though!
Planet labour!
Ashy :"AN EARTH-LIKE place which could be covered in rivers, lakes and oceans and may support life has been discovered outside the solar system.
Could it be they have discovered Glenrothes :)"
Nah!That would be "An earth-like place which is covered in roundabouts, schemey housing and weird sculpture and which doesn't support intelligent life"
Quick - someone tell all the developers. There'll be a big need for office blocks, luxury flats and upmarket shops. AMA, Mountgrange, Trevor Davies please noe
Check the latest news it has oil and Bush wants it.
You`ll get yor 10p tax in the pound ,your pension funds free from being raided,your petrol cheaper,your fags and booze cheaper and none of the stealth taxes we`ve got because they haven`t got that scunner Broon.Send him and his gang off on the first rocket with a one way ticket.
Maybe open Tesco !
Maybe there would be room for Affordable housing?????????
My Aunt Mary used to say that there can't be intelligent life elsewhere in the Universe, because none of the supermarkets have branches there.
Toom
13 day year. I'd be 1347! Is that pensionable age there?
#15
On the contrary, I predict that mankind will go there because it is in mankinds nature to do so and mankind will find a way. Ultimately it is the only hope for the survival of ou species becuase if we manage to last long enough the earth will eventually be swallowd by the sun as I'm sure you know. Survival does funny things to people.
Irrespective of that though mankind will go becuase they are curious and driven by the urge to explore. Given enough time and resources there is no problem that is insoluble.
Oh yes, then there are other motivating factors such as greed, power, war etc etc. Together the light and dark forces within us will conspire to propel us fowards.
The argument you use is the same one people use against the loch ness monster. Ie it can't exist because there aren't enough fish in the loch to feed such a beast. How do you know it eats fish?
You make assumptions and put up a fake argument to tear down because you know the real one is unnasailable. Rather than argue against an unknown which most people are smart enough not to fall for, you argue against a selectively chosen known. Dirty pool old man, tsk tsk.
More correctly your argument should and can only be: "Given current technology making such a journey seems in my view to be impractical."
But then that really doesn't demonstrate your huge inteligence and vast knowledge of space travel does it?
What it does do is illustrate the limits of your knowledge of science, human nature and logistics and would leave people in no doubt as to eaxtly how much you _don't_ know. Which is, I imagine, rather the opposite of what you were hoping to achieve via your post.
ta ta
Well done #15. When are we going to realise that trans universal travel is beyond us for decades to come. We cannot even risk travelling to the moon with today's technology so even going to Mars is pie in the sky stuff. Another thing, with space ships costing hundreds of millions of dollars, yet housing only a handful, how , when push comes to shove, would we ever be able to leave the earth for another home. This is pure gibberish, another pathetic attempt to keep us interested in space. Ignore it.
When the Apollo 13 mission went into space, there was wide-spread anger that the coverage meant the cancellation of the Lucile Ball show. As luck would have it, mission 13 played out a little drama for the viewers. That's how fickle we are about space and they know it. Must be a budget debate at NASA coming up.
Why would anyone want to go to this planet?? 8 stone on Earth means 16 stone out there!!! NO thank you!!!
#3: No. That's too good for them. Maybe the moon might be better. I expect they'd soon cover it in air---hot air that is.
#15: "...100,000 women plus 1000 men..."
sounds great! When do I leave?
maybe we can't travel there but who is to say they have not been here???
Pots #40
They have been, and they are! Spot the increase in fatboys, lately??
The Vogons have probably destroyed the new Earth by now to make way for a "hyperspace bypass"!
It will never survive independently. (Scottish Labour spokesman for science.)
It's a planet Jim, but not as we know it!
sounds far fetched,ill give you that, but when i was a lad computers, internet,going to the moon,microwaves,actors for presidents,e.t.c.were beyond or way of thinking, i say keep trying, in a few years this planet of ours will be spent and we need to rent another.
#15 ...A message sent to the "new Earth" planet from our earth, and a response to come back to earth, would take 2,250 years, using radio waves traveling @ 186,000mps...
Er, no ! All electromagnetic radiation - from radio waves to x-rays - travels at the speed of light (approximately 300,000 kilometers per second in empty space). For a planet 20 light years away, a message sent using radio waves would take 20 years to arrive.
#24 - spot on. I was angered that the public was not consulted about Pluto's demotion. There should have been a referendum on the issue.
A wonder if the folk on this planet saw wee jack make an er*e of himself on Newsnight Scotland last night?
come 2015 this fellow will be kicked out like pluto. Whyare the NASA or Bush so cruel to the mateors and the Earth and the moon and the planets. See even the moon they hide some times and call this eclipse???
#46. Kool_Andy
Mr Trellis would liked to have gone but your post regarding the reduced flying time of only 20 yrs. with the 100.000 girls is sadly putting him off now..."so little time ..so many girls", he keeps muttering" DAMN!! and I thought I had got rid of him at last!Mrs. T
I think with the advancements being made in technology and science humans will have a solution to traveling great distances and having an infinite fuel source to do so. Look how far we have come in the past 100 years and how far we are pushing the boundaries of science. An alternative method could be to make use of objects that are already traveling around the universe such as comet’s or meteors perhaps.
If we could work out the trajectory of some of these objects and make a craft that could latch on to one then it would piggy back a ride for nothing. But until then we still have some time before we work out how to manipulate the universe in order to explore its great many locations.
The new world; we can always send scottwebb there to start the next generation of new world order and most of the polititians too, then they will have something in common.
if history is anything to go by, if we ever did reach them or vice versa one of the two types or earthling would destroy the other "less civilised" ones.
Maybe we have already been there! Obviously some form of time travel/warp/bend will be needed. With an exact point of reference from point A to point B with X, Y, Z coordinates and T factor (once we crack T) it may only take less than minutes to get there.
Never say it's impossible! Almost everything we do today and every day 'was' impossible 100 years ago.
Somehow we need to harness the power of the black hole and those forces which exist in space and under certain extreme conditions which technology can recreate as our capabilities improve.
Beam me over Scotty!
techwyrm
#55 Ah the moon. Bush reckons the US will return to the moon in 20 years !. Why not now, why is there no telescope or, by now, an observotory ?. We have never practiced construction or drilling for minerals .living on a planetoid surface for any amount of time should alsobe studied. What if we can't give birth in space. It's all just a pipe-dream.
NASA said they will use the moon in the future as a stop off on the way to mars. As one very funny stand-up comedian said " That's like announcing you are off to Australia but will be stopping off at the bottom of the garden.
Does it have a Starbucks?
#56 Techwyrm,would you concede, that compared to the 60's,our space travel technology has gone BACKWARDS,what with astronauts dying before they have left our atmosphere or while trying to attempt a re-entry. The Hubble telescope that we could not even position correctly , and is apparently too technical to repair ?. Probes that we spend years of research and millions of pounds on, only to see them crash into oblivion , having failed spectacularly.
How on earth does anyone explain the apparent success of NASA in space, during the 60's , when computers were in their infancy, compared with todays space program. In the 60's we were apparently playing golf and driving ahalf a billion dollar dune- buggy around the moon's surface. Today we regard it as a triumph if our ships can get off the launch pad.
Don't care for the name too much - Gleise 581 C. As we could have pals on this planet they surely deserve a better name!!
How about - the planet Snot, which would be home to a race called Snotters!! Maybe that would give new meaning to The Bogeyman!!
Any suggestions?
The Cooncil's already looking at the possibility of getting the contract fir a Tram system!
There are probably neds kicking about there already.
"Earthlike" is a bit of a stretch since it orbits close to a red dwarf which will have a high radiation level & double Earth's gravity. We wouldn't find it very comfortable. On the other hand if it has liquid water that gives good protection from radiation & gravity doesn't much affect floating creatures so we might find some alien fish.
It worries me that, given the level of intelligence (or lack thereof) in many of the comments, these persons are allowed to vote.
Recognise this for what it is - a remarkable advance in science and a tribute to man’s intelligence and ingenuity! As another poster has said we do not know what advances in travel and or communication will be made in the future. It is not that long ago – early 19th Centrury – that is was thought that traveling at 30mph on a train would kill a person. Here we are 150 years later and man can travel almost 1,000 times that speed
It is the challenge to the precepts of Monotheism that I think will be the most interesting!!
I cannot believe that humans would be surprised by the discovery of another planet. In all that space the chances of their NOT being another planet like ours is about 10 trillion trillion billion to 1
I think that this research has been useful because it lets us know just exactly what is out there.
I have always believed that we (on this planet) are NOT alone on this universe because at the end of the day, our Sun (and I'm talking here about that bright yellow object in the sky (which is often rarely seen in Scotland due to our Scottish climate) and NOT a certain newspaper) is known by scientists to be just a normal star and there are billions of other known such stars in this universe as well as possibly, countless other such atars which are as yet, undiscovered by scientists.
Therefore, our Earth CANNOT be the only planet in this universe which supports life, and I believe that there are bound to be countless other such worlds which have yet to be discovered by our scientists who despite the advanced technology which exists today, only has a limited amount of technology to play with because as human-beings, we are biologically members of the animal kingdom and that means that like other animals, we only have a limited capability in terms of what we can actually achieve.
Somewhere out there, there will be an independent, Socialist Republic called Scotland which IS free from English Rule and also has a national football team which are the current world champions (for that planet, of course) and somewhere out there, there will be a football team called Hibs which wins the domestic treble every year along with the major European trophies, with Hearts either failing to exist at all, or existing only as a pub team.
Humans are just as fragile species as any other mammal or insect we should be grateful for having the ability to do things with our intelligence. The problem with space exploration for humans at the moment is the ideas and the design of what vehicles we use to get their. If you look at the designs of the American space rockets their fireworks waiting to explode. Why would you want to strap yourself to one?
The Russians managed to control their billion dollar Soyuz rockets and got into space ahead of the Americans. But why go to such extremes surely theirs a better way to escape the earth’s gravitational pull. And the reason the USA have failed so much in the past is they ve had too many cooks in the kitchen! so to speak. Imagine an essential circuit or power line that’s not fitted right human error! is to blame and bad design.
We are only on the beginning of space exploration and I think their will be a shift towards companies that will look to other means to get humans into space other than NASA. Their is an ever increasing field of science pushing back the boundaries of materials to make em stronger to withstand the most sever extremities. I hope we can stop building rockets and start to build actual spaceships! from these exotic materials. If we can make amazing cars why can’t we make amazing practical spaceships! with the right protection system and propulsion systems. It shouldn’t take a 100 men to screw in a light bulb.
www.newscientist.com is a very interesting site for new advances in the world of science
#64 Sanny-It is the challenge to the precepts of Monotheism that I think will be the most interesting!!
I am curious, as you seem one of the more intelligent people on this page, how exactly this discovery challenges the precepts of Monotheism? What are your thoughts?
can i just ask...... what is the universe? a big black pit of stars and planets made up of minerals and gasses etc? could it be that the universe itself is a part of something even bigger than what we know the universe today. look at it from a far and we are the tiniest wee speck that you could imagine. super wee! so why do we have such big ideas or think as a common human race we are bigger than the known universe. how do we know that the universe goes not rotate around something else. it would make sense as everything in the universe generally rotates around something else.
i know for a fact that as human beings we have the ability to tune in to a higher plaine, this will enlighten us in the future or when we die...... i believe we are 'tuned in' to our bodies. it is not 'us' that die but the body that carries us, our vessel. when that happens you will live an infinate conciousness, whether that means we are reintroduced to the human race who knows. notice i am not saying heaven and god etc. in that infinate concious state i believe we can go where ever we damn well like!
A good place for the green party to go and set up government. They can carbon offset their journey and they won't ever come back because they won't want to build an airport!
First Virgin flight is booking up fast, get your tickets people!
Am I the first one to get my "Virgin" ticket
36. Mong basher /
you wrote:Dirty pool old man, tsk tsk.
Hey Mong -man I am not an old man I am 27.
You got that 100% wrong like the rest of your rant
Thank you Galactic cannibal
I don't think so. The name is wrong,and the. understanding is most certianly wrong . NGC 5194 is meaningless,but M 31 is not.M104 .Blue grey,and with stripes.An enigmatic sphinx!
46. Kool_Andy / 11:35am 25 Apr 2007
You are correct , it is 20 light yrs.
I got the speed of radio waves @186,000 mps which is above your approximation @300,000 kps
hey we had just started on a hawiian spleef , that is my excuse for the error. a VERY LARGE ERROR I might add.
Have a nice day
GC
No doubt Bush will not like their politics, and will send in the great and glorious 101st. to show them the error of their ways.
24 Why did Disney sack PLUTO????? was he eating all GOOFIES bones??? Incidentally. Nobody could land on this new planet our passports only last 10 years, how would we get them renewed. If we landed would it make us some of the much reviled illegal immigrant syndrome????that would mean deportation, so logically it would be a waste of time and money going in the first place.!!
55. Reading Public, Wisc/
given the restrictions of our current scientific knowledge we annot reach "new Earth" planet.
The titanium wall (brick wall) has more than one barrier.
How to pass the speed of light ?.
How to sustain the species during the voyage ?
The original 100,000 girls/women and 1000 boys/men would have to be jettisoned after 18 years into the voyage. If they all start out at age 18.
The spoace craft would need adequate space to house the new born 100,000 girls and 1000 boys until they breed at 18 years and look after the new brood for another 18 years.
Bottom line no one on board is allowed to live passed the age 36.
The above assumes ( a bad thing to do) illness does not impair the breeding and growing periods, through the centuries of travel over 120 trillion miles in the blackness of space.
Hey Einstein come back...we need you !!! Hawkings is moving in the direction of "out in left field"
Galactic Cannibal
Everything weighs twice as much as here on earth. Oh my Gawd. I have enough trouble with my weight as it is. What I need is a planet with HALF earth's gravity. On top of that a 13 day orbit - just think how quickly Christmas comes round again and the January Sales.
Hey U Scottish squawkers start thinking . Stop squawking, read on
'Smart dust' could blow open secrets of the planetsCRAIG BROWN ( crbrown@scotsman.com)
SWARMS of minute computers the size of dust particles that are light enough to be carried on the wind should be used to explore other planets, British scientists said yesterday.
Using nanotechnology, the devices would be pinhead-sized microchips wrapped in plastic sheaths, the shape of which could be changed using a voltage, allowing them to change direction and surf currents in the planets' atmospheres.
The idea is the brainchild of Dr John Barker, of Glasgow University's nanoelectronics research centre, who has presented his detailed proposals at the National Astronomy Meeting in Preston.
If put into practice, hundreds of thousands of the "smart" particles would be packed into the nose cone of a space probe and sent to the planet intended for investigation. They would be released into the atmosphere and guided into target where the sensors would analyse information and pass it back to the mothership.
"The technology is already in place but it has been looking for an application," said Dr Barker. "By communicating with each other through wireless technology, the devices would be able to work in 'swarms', holding formations even in strong winds."
Plans for landing "smart dust" on Mars are still in their infancy, but it could be a possibility within ten years.
Though the cost of the particles would be minimal - £1,000 to create 100,000 is Dr Baker's estimate - the scale of getting the project off the ground would be expensive:
"You have all these various elements of technology existing, but it would be a cross-disciplinary project. Getting them to all work together to deliver them to a planet surface, you're talking about millions, billions of pounds."
Professor Colin Pillinger, profes
I think there could be weapons of mass destruction on it: I call for a U.N resolution on it to be radioed in to give them one month to comply.
Can the telescope identify any Irish theme bars on the new planet?
15, dude! u need to get out more
9% Growth Party proposal for a Scottish X-Prize Foundation to encourage new technology of all sorts but particularly space development.
The scientists can't get anything right. It takes more than liquid water to sustain life as we know it!
it also takes barley and hops and fermentation and a wee bowl full of peanuts!
The Mother Goddess says we can't have another planet till we clean up the mess we've made of this one.
As for the trip? We don't need ANY guys, technically - just a sperm bank. . . . . .
Since it's in the Goldilocks orbit, I think we should call it that. Goldilocks!!!
I think its great thats there is a "new earth" and I think we should be trying to find a way for our future children to be able to see it in there life time and meet new beings that can teach us to keep this new planet alive like we cant this one we already have.
I think that its great that there is a "new earth" and i also think that we should be trying to find a way for our future children to be able to visit it in there life time and try to find beings to teach us how to care and keep the "new earth" alive the way we can't the planet we already have.
I should think that Galactic Cannibal who uses Hawaiian Screech (or whatever) should have no trouble with something like 'warp speed'. We must treat this news seriously; this wee orb just might be where Heaven is! Or Hell.
Has it occurred to you they might be worse!! They could exist like the trailer trash in America or live like people from Lumphinnans in Fife!!
Your children could end up being eaten by greasy haired, lard arsed aliens. Maybe resembling George Bush, but with eyes that are further apart!!!
You earthlings make me want to puke. Youare not fit for purpose, that being life.You make light of that which you can never understand. You trivialise that which is incomprehensible to your worthless intellect.You have life by accident, know now that project Sol is a failed experiment.Now understand this, 186,000mps is the same as 3X10^8kps both are an expression of the speed of light merely in different units. If an object is x light years away then if you travel at the speed of light it takes x years to get there except for a couple of small points. Firdtly it takes an inordinately long time to accelerate up to C and an equal amount of time to decelerate. Secondly the faster you go, the smaller you get until at C you are a massless sub atomic particle and such anobject cannot control a space ship even if it to is a massless sub atomic particle.So my dumfounded little probationers, askyorself what is the point?There are of course a number of alternatives one is travelling at a relativistic speed which would still sustain life, this would take longer and would not be possible for you as you would destroy each other before you got there.another is to send an automatic mothership carrying a large gene pool for humans, plants and animals which the shipcould activate upon arrival, you might stand a chance of surving long enough tototally screw up your new home, but I doubt it. Then again you could find an appropriate wormhole and catapult yourself through it using a superstring, but I doubt you would survive hyperspace.Lastly you could pray to one or all of yourdeities, but this one won't be listening.Your Einstein once said God does not play dice, he was right God is the dice, and you lot lost the game, big time a long time ago. In fact it was a complete and utter waste of time for you to climb out of the primordial mud I used as a latrine.Oh I almost forgot another method, bu
Arthur,
Have you ever been to Saltcoats?
Actually, what Einstein said was "Raffiniert ist der herr Gott, aber boshaft ist Er nicht"
another planet to trash and distroy after this one. We should clean up our act first. However send the nasty critters like gwbush and all his pals first on the first spaceships , at least we can take out some of our trash. Perhaps our planet can have a chance to survive the natural changes in the future, and clean up the mess created by those of the military industrial complex.
95. Pictus, Lake of Shining Waters
The Mr. Gott is refined, but he is not malicious
Hey Pictus dude .Please stick to English.
Auf wiedersehen
what the hell - send the whole military industrial complex - maybe THEY'LL know what to do with them. . . .
#15 - please read "Jaunt", by Stephen King, I believe. "It is ooooold in there".
"Raffiniert" cannot necessarily be translated as "refined". More like "intuitively calculating"? There's really not one word that would bring the meaning of "raffiniert" into the English language.
93. Arthur, Hyperspace void
you wrote:"So my dumfounded little probationers, askyorself what is the point?"
Hey dude stop getting so excited.
We are familiar with the reasoning behind E =mc² .
Have a nice marginal day
In my opinion, humans on this world would have to be 2 1/2 times bigger than we humans on the planet Earth; due to their doulble gravity.
dang it ! Just when we get all set up with a vacation spa, here come you Earthlingeres. Is there no place safe from you, or do we have to Zapp !! another one. By the way ! Wanna buy some ocean fron acreage, ? DCheap ! You wilol need zport. Your scram jet shows definite promise. Just don't let Ivan get it.
I think Einstein used the word 'raffiniert' in the figurative sense which has been translated as 'cunning'.Ergo, "The mister (with a flourish and chuckle to GC) God is cunning, but He is not malicious"
As anyone who has taken a real estate seminar knows, property doesn't become valuble, or purposeful, until Donald Trump decides to build a golf course adjacent to it. And the last I heard, The Donald, was taking a pass on this planet.
yes.. getting there would be difficult.. seeing as going the speed of light, like previously stated is impossible even with all the energy in the universe. BUT! going near speed of light isnt impossible and it wouldent take thousands of years to get there... Going the speed of light it takes 20.5 years soo going half the speed of light it takes 41 years. this is acceptable seeing as half the speed of light is attainable.. but not for a long long time the fastest speed weve reached is less than a thousandth the speed of light soo yeah.. humans arnt going anywhere near this one soon. but hey at least there might be life on mars and europa! :P
And by the way no one seems to know the speed of light so ill list it in all fashons in empty space of course :)
299,792,458 Meters Per Second
186,282.397 Miles Per Second (thats a decimal)Roughly 1 foot per nano second if you care.
and for those who cant do conversions
299,792.458 Kilometers Per Second
OK SO! to the person who up top said since when is the speed of light 186000 mps its 300000 kps... if it hasnt been said by anyone else ...you just made yourself look rediculus... its the same speed. if anyone else has anything wrong to say id be glad to tell you why your wrong.... Truthfully I could careless if we land on this planet or not.. ill be in my late 50s by the we get a radio transmission back.. IF we get one back... and thats if we sent one now... FOR NOW! im putting all my hopes into one day colonizing mars... Europa is cool but they have liquid nitrogen lakes there and i dont like swimming. :P
#85, Reading Public. You look forward to the next 40 years with the expectation that new means of propulsion in space will be developed which would make a 20 ly trip possible. Please understand that the past 40 years has only refined technologies that Dr Robert Goddard used in the 1920s. Ion engines, which are low thrust devices, were also reduced to practice more than 40 years ago. The specific impulse of chemical and electric engines are at best 3000 seconds. A journey to the stars requires an Isp >30,000 seconds. Physics does not offer any sensible options for research toward achieving this target.
#110...I could name several ways that physics would allow space travel beyond the amounts you are talking about. Of course none of them are possible now!
If they were than this planet would be well within ourreach.
First!Well start off simple..
Nuclear Fusion Reactors. Simple enough. Just got to figure out how to contain it. Enough said.
Zero point energy... Or the energy thats contained in a vacuum. All vacuums have energy. It is the energy that pulls matter into the vacuum. Being able to harness ZPE would mean a huge advance in technology. In fact ZPE has been thought to be the only possible source of "free energy". In fact it's not. How does this vacuum get there? It takes energy to create a vacuum. In turn the vacuums are full of Zero Point Energy. The way that I suggest using it to create a propulsion "engine" would be to create some sort of zero point field that would interact with a accelerated massive object to create inertia.. almost like being sucked into a vaccume that has no walls.. So imagine being pulled by something thats always infront of you and is constantly accelerating. Once again this seems like free energy. but you have to first create the vaccume. I guarentee nothing is free :)
Finally... Hyperspace... Simply the belief that there are more than 3 spatial dimensions. Some think that these "extra" dimensions could provide a pathway to another point in space that would be faster than going the speed of light. Although you would never actually exceed the speed of light.. You would infact get there faster. Imagine you are on a giant ball and you want to get to the other side. You can walk over it, around it, or through it. Which is the fastest way? Through it. The chord from point A to point B on a circle is short than its arc. Simply put. The universe is "round" and the theory of hyperspace travel proposes there is a dimension in which you can travel throu
BTW I KNOW what the things I put didn't exactly sound sensible solutions.... BUT they are more sensible than trying to fly there with the pee shooter things we call space craft.
Unless we can break all the rules and get there (and back) reallyreallyreally fast, I think it won't work. Everyone thinks of space exploration as a brilliant, daring adventure - but it looks more like generations of humans confined to inappropriate, cramped, dull, mechanical environments to me, with the hope -at the end- of 'terraforming' a planet for another far-flung generation somewhere down the line. Who would undertake this misery this except, say, prisoners who thought they'd be facing worse punishments at home? Or had no choice? There is always talk of 'terra-forming' other planets to support humanity when we've destroyed our environment here - but all of those schemes seem more difficulot that RE-terraforming our own planet and saving the environment for our progeny.
Earth is the only home we have. Better get to work on saving what's left.
#15 GN
Thats why we are all clubbing together to get you the first available ticket plus a few bob extra for weed to keep you in your normal befuddled state.
#111 Sean taylor
If you want to do experiments inside a vacuum, try using GC's head
GUGA
WHY is that #8 troll obsessed with you?
Are you so stunning that men and women go weak at the knees whenst merely espying your semblance of the form divine?
We don't need to go 20 light years . We know how to design large habitats in space (called O'Neill colonies). The cost of building the first one would certainly be greater than that of occupying Iraq - after that you have a production line going. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O'Neill_cylinder
Rama lama ding dong!
!THE PLANET HAS GOT A NAME!!"Olaf"!Diverse Websites and a few madias in austria are reporting that the "super earth" has got a name now. It's named "Olaf".Ultimately there is a consistant name for the new discovered planet.
#111, Sean Taylor. A nuclear energy source, such as a fusion reactor, is merely a heat source for a thermodynamic cycle of some kind. Engine fuel must still be available for acceleration, and its storage is prohibitive for a long journey.
Zero point energy is pseudoscience. Many, if not most, fans of this type of thing are right wing free market capitalists, yet they fail to understand that the marketplace has already voted on such schemes.
Hyperspace stuff is science fiction, and now-a-days not even very good SF. One thing that folks fail to understand is the domain where multiple dimensions may have meaning--quantum level size, not people size.
We are stuck on this planet, and we don't have much time left. Enjoy but be nice to your neighbor.
We may be stuck in this solar system though I have considerable confidence that some form of FTL transport which now seems as improbable as flying was to Columbus will happen.
However we are not stuck on this planet. We could, with no unforseeable technology, build enough O'Neill colonies to house many billions.
114. The Wizard, OZ / 9:20am 26 Apr 2007 #15 GN
Hey wizzie dude,Suggest an alternative.Should we start guzzling Scotchs whisky, German beer, French wine
And stagger out of a dingy Glasgow and start fighting and stabbing others.
Or vomit in a out-of-order grafitii covered phone kiosk.
Or fall in the Glasgow gutter untill policeman plodd arrests us.
Or go to a foot ball match and create havoc and kill people.
Hey dude Oh yeh,the masses of LEGAL drug users are a great role model for us limited Illegal drug users.
Cheers
Jonngmaster like I said previously that was once thought about people on continents with all the science they could use going 60 miles an hour was just a story tale. neither you OR me or anyone else on this planet for that matter have even scratched the surface of what is possible as far as ways to move off this planet. Zero Point is more than a pseudoscience it really exists We have yet to find a way to make it useful im not talking about free energy or anything like that im talking about using magnetics to control a miniature black hole or a portion of subspace to create a vacuum or at least something that would act like one to create a power energy source. There are hundreds of ways to do it... in this day we could not get them to work though. I'm sure one day a light year will be what 1000 miles once was.
