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Excellent. Now people will be able to see some news which does not have a totally western bias; and will have a chance to see other side of the story. I wish they would put it on Freeview as well.
The Americans, and a few of their supporters and allies, won't like it of course, but they don't really like anything that isn't put out by Fox News or the Voice of America. So much for their much vaunted freedom of speech.
The elites here will work hard to make sure this is never widely available. If it finds a cable distributor, it will find an audience due to the high quality of the information, and will change the political dialog for the better.
#1 You have never been to the US if you think all the television stations are right wing. I doubt then you know anything about the Middle East and Al-Jazeera.Can Jim Krane enlighten us on Al-Jazeera's alleged links to a militant organisation called Muslim Brotherhood? Can Jim please tell us a little bit about Sue Phillips and her political views? This article seems to be sanitised and void of any real information!
#3 I have been to America, and, furthermore, I did not say ALL the American television stations were right wing, I was referring specifically to Fox News. So get your facts right and/or new glasses.
As for the Middle East, I have lived and worked there also, so I do know a little about it. If you are so anti-arab, as you appear to be from your statements, what are you doing in the Middle East? Then again, perhaps you are in Israel.
hey guga - I've got news for you. most Americans can't stand Fox News. I believe I've read they've lost much market share even.
In NAZI germany after the NAZIs took over the news media (1933) within 1 year there was a 50% drop in people reading the newspapers, people tended to ignore the whole media.
the same type of thing has occurred in America. People tune it out.
Here's how you can understand. The 'people that rule' are the people that rule. and the 'people who are ruled over' are the people who are ruled over.
Americans don't cause Fox News. They don't like Fox News.
#5 So, from your understanding, there are no right wing people in America. I suppose Bush is, to you, a trendy liberal.
I am aware that not everyone in America is right wing. I do check out such things as Prisonplanet.com and Tompaine.com.
However, the fact remians, someone is funding Fox News.
Guga - I will admit to you though that a lot of americans do like Fox News. and it is unfortunate that they do.
I tell you though that the entire US media is propaganda, not just portions of it. The only parts that are not propaganda are the obscure parts that very few read or view or hear.
In 1960 there were 400 corporations that owned 90% of the US media. In 1980 there were 50 corporations that owned 90% of the US media. In 2000 there were 6 corporations that owned 90% of US media.
and the proud flag-wavers actually cheer this.
here is a bible verse.
Proverbs 16:18 Pride [goeth] before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.
end of verse
In America there is a lot of pride. Nothing good ever came from the people in all of world history. Anything truly good was made by the one who made us, not by us. It takes pride to think otherwise.
Praise god that judgement is coming.
Amazing and exciting coverage indeed !!! People now really gets the true story in the middle east; about the crime against humanity by the USA and Israel in Palestine; Iraq and the rest of the World.
Besides BBC; CNN People in the World now have a choice to find out the source; cause and sufferings of the people.
Wish, a good staff work by the correspondents of Al-Jazeera through out the World will definitely make it a sucess !!
Guga, I made my respond #7 before I read your #6. I was not intending to criticize you in #5.
There are many americans who are just as you imply.
you know it is funny. There is a silent majority as Mr. Nixon alluded to in 1972. and this silent majority is against Fox News and Bush too.
#9 Fair enough Wally.
to Moazzem - I agree with you about Palestine and Iraq - that great wrongs are done there. Massive persecution.
But at the same time the Americans will not get this message from Aljazeera. The fellow in #2 from Portland is correct. This message will not be allowed in Amerika except for maybe 1-2% of the population. And also the fellow in #2 doesn't understand - cable providers are allowed to be cable providers by the state, they will not carry such channels as AlJazeera unless, as I said, they have very very few customers.
here is some good news from 2 bible verses.
Romans 2:9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
Romans 2:10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
end of verses.
It doesn't matter what our nationality is, our political affiliation, whether we say we're liberals or conservatives, what religion we belong to. We're going to be judged by our works. We have consciences that were given to us by our creator. From those consciences we know right from wrong. and we through our works will be judged by that standard. The one who made us can see what we have done. He is not deceived. Judgement is coming ... for all.
The kingdom of heaven will be built here on earth. and there will be many brought into it. and there will be many prohibited from entering. the people will be separated.
praise the lord.
Why is the US FCC once again censoring the news? I consider Al-Jazeera a hostile media to the US but, the deceision to read it or not should be mine, not the US goverment.
#12 "Why is the US FCC once again censoring the news?"
Because there is no such thing as a true democracy.
can i have tavish scott's housing allowance ?l.It would make all the difference as my older son has left uni with debts of £20k and no job. i am self employed earning £30 but i have so much to pay for. will you support me on this?
#14 iain ... as for wee tavish, well, he's still claiming, but I'm sure he will be cashing his chips in before the SPCB fiddles a publicly acceptable solution to the whole expenses milking trip.
oh .. but theres an even bigger expenses scandal still to emerge from Holyrood yet ...
#14 I'll support you Iain, if I can have a wee slice too!Or perhaps I'll just target Home Robertson.
More news reprts away from Western media and US/UK foreign policy can only be for the good. Just as long as you realise Al Jazeera will have its own particular slant as well.
where is this new channel being broadcast from , London , I know but how do I get it, is it in the sky package for subscribers or free to view on the satellite . I think its great to get all views on the news especially the middle east.
I found it Channel 514 on sky , free to air
Al Jazeera is a welcome addition and will help provide a more balanced view of World events, particularly in the Middle East.
However, I object to the soor puss of Sue Phillips in the above picture.
Any chance of Telewest taking it up for free?
Let us hope that this venture establishes credibility and trust among the UK public. It is good to see that the likes of Frost and Omar will be seen on our news-screens again.
Its about as balanced with its "Views" as my mother-in-law is....its a mouthpiece 4 Al-Quaida...
Perhaps why US tv providers have shied away from tranmitting AJI was camaign that called it "the Terror television: The rise of AJI and the Hate America Media" http://www.stopaljazeera.org/index.html. However, thanks to the internet, people oin the US can get the news at http://english.aljazeera.net/News. BUT be careful Aljazera.com is NOT AJI.
Why is the woman pictured not veiled ? they won't like that in IRAN. Having said that, I will certainly be watching this station, great news!
At least its not muzzled by Blair or Bush like all the other English language channels.
#26 Richard
No news media channel, TV print or internet (including the Scotsman :-) is unbiased. The trick is to get your news from multiple sources and use your judgement. It always was really. Anyone heard of the Glagow University's Glasgow Media Research Group? They've been publishing stuff for the last 25 years about media bias. Their latest is "Bad News from Israel" - pretty interesting stuff about media bias.
If you don't like it, don't watch it.
Anyway, Alazeera had to make a some sacrifices to its original integrity (meaning being more commercial), so it's not the exact "super Middle East TV", but it is much better than others TV channels from and about the region.
Their online-news center and magazine offer a cleaner stuff.
http://www.aljazeera.com/http://english.aljazeera.net/News
Ha, I didn't know they're tring to ban it in USA. God forbbid Americans find about the slaughters in Iraq and Palestine from direct sources.
BTW, for those who don't know; all major USA media outlets (TV, radio, magazines, papers) are owned by about 5 enormous Corporations. They might have hundreds of channels, but there's no diversity of opinions...
28...always best to shop around,that way u can compare the stories,& the truth, or as near as, will be somewhere in the middle!...but to say its "fair &balanced" is a bit of a joke,would say myself, its as "fair & blanced" as Fox is.& we all know about foxy Fox!
#31
Well, to you it's biased, but you aren't the target audience. Fox News target audience are right wing australian multi millionaires with dubious business ethics. To that target audience, the reporting is fair and open.
#5--Wally-- GOOD TRY!!! FOX NEWS is the #1 network for viewership in America, bar none!#26--Richard--just where IS West Lothian??#13--richard--& # 30--dragomir--if you knew anything about America, you would know it's the "AMERICAN PEOPLE" that determine if a program is on or stays on the air. perhaps a little education on how our system works might help you gain a little intellect. just don't ask Wally, for he hasn't a clue.
#32--Iain--"FOX NEWS target audience are right wing australian multi millionaires with dubious business ethics" FOX NEWS target audience are logical, imaginative, educated, realistic, Democrats, Republicans, Independents, rich, poor, middle class.plus all the robotic viewers that left CNN, MSNBC, ABC, NBC & CBS. did i include EDUCATED???
#34--Richard-- HONESTLY!! i really, really meant to indicate FOX NEWS is the #1 CABLE network in viewership. thanks for reminder!!
Richard--it sure beat the britches off CNN & MSNBC!
#35 sandy
Stop letting the truth get in the way of my beautiful paranoid conspiracy theory. :-)
#35 Sandy
Actually, the problem with Fox News is not that it's a news channel, it's more of an entertainment channel, catering to the lowest common denominator of taste. (he said snobbishly in the manner of lord Reith)
It is for the most part, entertainment thinly disguised as news, which gives a superficial veneer of credibility to some (not all by any manner of means) of the more extreme views it espouses.
It also has to manage to make a profit, so some of it's offerings will be credible and realistic, which is the spoonful of sugar to make the right wing polemics go down.
#40--Iain--FMI--what news shows have you actually watched on FOX?
#38--Iain-- now everyone knows that there's a great sense of humour somewhere in Edinburgh!!!
#41
Sandy.
umm...Fox News Live,The Big StoryThe Fox report
and of course, their internet site.
why?
#43--Richard--not yet!! Iain gave his description of FOX NEWS w/out giving examples of shows he has seen. is that a "fair & balanced" way?
#44--Iain--nothing controversial, i just wanted to know from what programs you got your views. thats all.
You tell 'em Sandy. I personally welcome an AJI network in the United States. I would love it if more people heard their views on American policies in the Middle East and Americans in general. I don't believe enough Americans know our enemies. Those radical so and so's who would happily cut off our heads and bomb our schools. Remember though, that at the same time, they're the victims.
#47 Richard
Oh I dip into various news media, Fox, Sky news, the BBC, The Scotsman, The Times, The New York Times, The Guardian, The Irish Times, indymedia - even al-jezeera now I suspect, and various others as the whim takes me.
It's interesting how the same stories can appear with each news source drawing conclusions totally at odds with another, while using the same facts.
It's not something I do for every story, just the ones which interest me. Lest you think I'm suspicious and untrusting :-)
Mind you, if you want a real laugh, have a look at the Daily Mail.
#50 Iain
Sorry I meant #47 sandy
#44--Iain--"spoon full of sugar"
1-6pm--Brit Hume2-8pm--O'Reilly3-9pm--Hannity & Colmes4-10pm--Greta van Sustren(a liberal lawyer, taken from CNN) she's great. here's one you'll like. new to FOX, sat. night 9 & 12pm---MANCOW!!! he was a radio jock in Chicago.
i certainly accept your views, why wouldn't i, & i have my own, & they differ--so what!!
Richard--where did you say West Lothian is??
#53 Sandy
You said "i certainly accept your views, why wouldn't i, & i have my own, & they differ--so what!!"
Absolutely, I agree completely, if everyone held the same views, it would be very boring, if nothing else.
We should though, be able to air our views freely - we might - if not change someones elses mind - at least give them something to think about.
Best media news this century..
#51 Cheap shot. I wish I knew what caused that man to butcher those innocent Amish school girls, but I don't. The shootings in our schools are sad, frightening, and completely off topic.
31...was talking about Al jazerrra, being as "fair & balanced" (not) as Fox!
#50--Iain---"it's interesting how the same stories can appear on each news source drawing conclusions totally at odds w/another, while using the same facts" absolutely, & i have found this ,occasionally, on FOX. the public has the opportunity to e-mail any program, anytime for whatever reason. BTW--i forgot "CAVUTO" @4pm--this is a "must watch" show. it's a financial show.your right the best way is to read & watch & listen to all.
Al jazerra caters to flogging a story to death,graphic pics.designed to stir up the "rent a mob",& is of course a mouthpiece 4 Bin Laden!If we talk our daily dose of "news" from as many channels as possible & filter through them,truth can be found!
Will be interesting to see as time goes by, how involved they will be by covering the continuing Genocide in Darfur Province,strange how such mass killings can take place without it being front page news on a daily basis!Gaza is indeed an awful mess,but compared with whats going on in Darfur, its small beer indeed!Lets see their "Fair/Balanced" reporting on Darfur!
#49--Chuckster--thanks! the problem w/al jazeera is we won't get it the way it's done in other countries, & that is what we need to see. we'll never get the real al jazeera here.#57--Chuckster--don't mind # 51--Richard, he's a wanderer & until he finds out where West Lothian is we must be gentle with him.
#61 cool
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/5279ACD2-D8AE-4040...
sandy,
You're right about what's show on TV in USA is just what Americans want.
Violence, racism, celebrity controversy, cars, religious bigotry, sex scandals and how to have sex(but only if you buy the selected products of course), at least that's what it looks from outside the box, over here in Europe, and I'm sure in Canada too.
For once I agree with you that that's how TV works in USA.
Which leaves the question... "What kind of people would want to watch such crap??"
Oh, if that's all he wanted...http://www.geo.ed.ac.uk/scotgaz/councils/region29.html
Actually, though the school shootings in the US are off-topic, strictly speaking, the point is that Americans (esp some posting here) can be fairly arrogant and ignorant about their unquestioned (by them, at any rate) superiority over all others in all things. So these wee reminders that the picture ain't always so rosy in Murka stings a bit...
Those hoping for more balanced reporting of the middle east are living in cloud cuckoo land in my opinion.
Its all too fashionable these days to portray Israel as the great satan and to portray the palestinians as whiter than white despite their support for terrorism. The palestinians are largely responsible for their own suffering evidenced by the fact that they elected into government a bunch of terrorists. Both sides are wrong and commit atrocious acts at one time or another.
To me, al jazeera is just a mouth piece and apologist for muslim extremists and terrorists.
#64 Dragomir
Religious programming, children's education, clean humor, science, technology, art, vintage American programs, do it yourself shows, the cooking network, and too many more to mention.
The United States has a huge variety of programming. I don't like it all, but what's popular gets aired. Obviously there are some of us who enjoy other types of programs than the ones you mentioned or they wouldn't be aired..
And that is how it works here.
#66 maestra Things aren't so rosy anywhere. America is being criticized, and we're defending ourselves. Arrogant? Perhaps. Ignorant? The United States holds no monopoly on that (esp some posting here).
Sandy Pandy - Bill O'Reilly is a proven liar, i mean publicly proven by way of publication which he has not challenged. Is he fair and/or balanced?
BTW - i think i know who you work for...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6100906.stm
#67 Oliver F, UK,
"To me, al jazeera is just a mouth piece and apologist for muslim extremists and terrorists."
So said the Israeli apologists as they watched FOX...lol
People like you have long pockets and short hands.
#68--Chuckster--how right you are. i have access to 71 analog stations, 516 cable/digital stations & 22 all music stations. there is a lot of "crap" on some but i have the choice to watch what i wish. i believe some of our stupid, mindless reality shows are British imports. i especially like the "midsummer" movies on the Biography ch. & Poirot. both British.i couldn't possibly watch al jazeera, unless we get the real version, & we won't. i like your response to #66--well put!!#69--Malky--what publication are you talking about??
#70--binny-- "people like you have long pockets & short hands" be careful your "mindless intellect" is showing!!
#50-IANA-try washingtonpost.com-it ain't fox for sure..
#74--2dogs--doesn't al jazeera own the Wash. Post?
#69 - do you work for these people Sandy?
#71 -Al Franken published a book and flat out called Bill O'Reilly a liar, many times, in big letters. No matter what you think of his politics (personally, i don't care about his politics) he challenged O'Reilly and O'Reilly conceded that he is indeed a LIAR.
Binny #70
I arent an israeli apologist and I dont watch fox news either.
I criticise the israelis where they are wrong and the palestinians where they are wrong. At least I try to be balanced unlike most who swallow the whole palestinian propaganda and dont see both sides of the story.
Sandy # 72 Amen. Couldnt agree more. When attacks become personal it just shows a lack of ability to debate and argue the issues coherently.
are you from Texas?...
#76--Malky--what did O'Reilly lie about???? please don't make me read frankens rag for the answer!!#77--Oliver--re-72--you hit the nail on the head!!!
#79 - read Frankin's rag - you won't appreciate his politics, i found it somewhat tedious at times, but read what he says about O'Reilly et al....it'll be an eye opener for you.
The point ultimately is - how can O'Reilly remain on TV when he is a proven liar? Anything he says cannot be considered accurate, reliable and/or supported as per the lies highlighted by Frankin.
One or two things on o'reilly from webland.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCDkC-Ce56M
http://mediamatters.org/items/200603200006
http://www.netscape.com/viewstory/2006/06/29/olbermann-sk...
http://sylvesterblogcom.blogspot.com/2006/03/leave-oreill...
Will the English speaking Al Jazeera also be airing live executions, with people having their heads hacked off on camera? Or is that for Arab audiences only?
Agent Sandy,
I did not say that Fox wasn't perhaps the most popular cable tv news station. I said that most people dislike Fox. and that is true. Most Americans have a contempt for Fox News. That is not to say that they also like ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN. most Americans dislike them all, but dislike Fox the most.
They're all garbage. they're all propaganda too.
In the 1970's a CIA officer testified under oath to the US Congress and said in public hearings that the CIA was engaged in compromising the US media. He said that at that time they had 450 major mainstream journalists under their influence.
Sandy is insane to say that the character of American tv is as it is because Americans demand it to be so. It is that way because the providers desire it to be so.
Sandy would have you believe Americans want smut in their homes. That is not true. All that pro-homosexual propaganda - right down Sandy's alley. what do you expect from a bush bot.
Sandy Pandy - if you are a government official (work for the government in any way) then you ust identify yourself when asked to do so.
#69 - awaits an answer.
#82- Arab or Texan audiences only.
Sandy Pandy - are you part of the pentagon unit outlined in this BBC article?
Do you work for the government?
wawa wee wathat certainly stopped agent pandy in her tracks!
here's why many people outside USA love Aljazeera:
http://www.aljazeera.com/cgi-bin/conspiracy_theory/fullst...
and a very good site:
http://CNNexposed.com/
#84--Malky--can i trust the links you send? virus?#83--wally--your just REALLY twisted, so i'll not respond.
People,News is the Governments propaganda of what They want you to believe. So whats True? I can have a right wing tell me one thing or a left wing tell me the other. It's your personal point of view and what you like to watch. O'Reilly is funny, Oh, I guess that makes me a government worker also lol. Personally CNN bores me to death so I don't watch it. Why does everyone try and over-analyze America and what we watch. Get over yourselves.
Because of the foreign policy your government has...
Sandy, i wouldn't dream of doing something nasty like that to you or to anybody, i'm actually offended you even suggest it.
Just check Al Frankens book out the library.
Do you work for the govenrment? Stop dodging the question.
#93 So you believe every American agrees with what our Government does? Believe this one statement: Americans do the best they can do in the time of crisis whether we agree or disagree. We are fickle on who represents our government and if we do not like this representative we vote on it. With this said of our recent elections. America is split down the middle with left wing /right wing agendas.
follow the lemmings!
Beating a dead horse shall I say.
malky
What does it matter if sandy works for the government? We live in democracies and she is entitled to her viewpoint whether a government worker or not.
#98 - Yes, Oliver, but is it her opinion or is she a propaganda agent for the much hyped unit referred to by my link into the BBC?
I guess some people find it interesting that this unit is targetting the scotsman.
Malky #99
While I find the creation of the unit interesting I very much doubt that the CIA/Pentagon unit is targetting the scotsman. No offence to the scotsman, or our interesting debate here, but I hardly think they would see it as important enough for them to get involved in.
Yup! Just bow to it, you are not allowed to critisize Al jazeera they ( Mooselims) will be offended, that's journalism the" mooselim way" fair and balance"reporting. The "Anchors and reporters to be"' are gonna be the" highest paid" workers in the media world.
Scotchfilly - you are incorrect about Americans. You said that people can be sure that Americans will vote the way they think/feel on issues. This is false. Most eligible voters do not vote in Ameica. and this is very much unlike other nations where large majorities do vote. In America, we've had a strong dose of the democracy ideology for a long time. and the people know in their guts that it doesn't work. Hence, they don't vote.
Also, you should be aware that it is both the left AND the right in the media that is propaganda. They march in lockstep on the agenda of the people that rule. They give us superficial differences to argue about, get upset about, steal our attention and give us grudges. Then they punch our buttons to activate our grudges to get us to do as they please. All the while they keep us ignorant of the big things we should know.
National Review was started with CIA money. MS magazine was started with CIA money. New Republic was started with CIA money. Air America is propaganda.
Wally - enough of your spewing.... you speak as though all Americans are of your mind-set. If you did not use your given right to vote, then you have no right to complain or moan. The bible scripture has little effect when it is mixed in with babble such as yours. Please do not use the Holy Book to make your point look relevant.
Wally #101
I realise I am being a bit pedantic with the following but it is an important distinction: people who do not vote are by very definition not voters. Those who do vote, I believe vote according to their feeling/beliefs and what is important to them. This is not to say that those people who dont vote aren't important.
There are a huge number of people who do not vote. Not just in america but in parts of europe and the uk also. I believe this as a result of apathy towards politics in general and politicians more specifically. Many view politicians as dishonest and corrupt. I dont see this getting much better any time soon.
I agree with shari #102 that those who do not vote cannot logically complain or moan.
I actually watch this channel and yes it is biased but then so are all the rest. I believe I am clever enough to see through this and make my own mid up this was in the main due to my upbringing. I have followed the same path with my kids and hope they too question the spoon fed news and form their own views.As far as USA I have been there many times and love it and it's poitive view on things. But most times I find the TV of poor quality and closed in mind. But that is explained above by the many posts from US contributors.Don't let anyone ban a TV channel simply educate your children to question all facts.
Shari in 102 - that is really cute. I don't think much of the democracy ideology and as a result you advocate that my freedom of speech be shut down. maybe you should vote NAZI instead of DemoPublican. I'm sure that would fix the whole world.
wally = boo-hoo. Your breaking our hearts. I never said a work about your freedom of speech being shut down. Funny, when you have nothing useful to say, you spew out Nazi crap, as though that is going to hurt my feelings, boo-hoo. Since you do not think much of demoractic ideology and you are surely no a repulican by the sounds of your anti-american speach, maybe you can make room for all the thousands trying to make a life (legally) in the United States of American. Seems as though it must be pretty nice here since nobodies trying to leave and many are trying to get in.......they may appreciate what God gave them a bit more than you.
Oliver F in 103 - let me respond to you and show you the logical consequences of your thinking.
First, I never said that I did not vote. yet you've assumed that I do not vote and that therefore, any comments I make are illegitimate. I have voted in all of the elections my adult life up until recently. Doesn't all that previous voting give me the right to speak according to your logic?
I did not vote in the recent election. In that election I had a choice of nothing but pro-war and pro-fascist candidates. Why should I vote?
Let's take an example. In 1993 the US government murdered about 85 people in Waco, Texas. One of those people was a 14 year old English girl who was sitting on her bed in her room with her mother & sister when a US Army helicopter flying above shot hundreds of bullets down into the building she occupied and one of the bullets hit the top of her head and killed her. The helicopter firing the bullets was video-taped doing so by local tv and shown on local tv as well. According to a US government spokesperson and as reported in the Dallas Morning News the helicopter attack was done to create a diversion to make it easier to arrest an individual on weapons charges. When the UK authorities investigated this girl's death they said that it was murder and they wanted to prosecute. Isn't it true that according to your logic the UK authorities were illegitimate in their complaint - because they did not vote in US elections and therefore their complaints are illegitimate?
Neither the republicans or the democrats have sought justice in the murders of those people in Waco, TX. Why should any of us support them? And what is the real difference between the two parties when they both march lockstep together in support of murder?
And why should all those who oppose murder be told that they cannot speak about it?
I could give you many other examples equally dramatic.
The democracy ideology is a failure
shari in 106 - you need to repair your ability to think logically. in 102 you were saying that I had no right to speak. And in 106 you denied saying that you'd said this.
I'm glad you mentioned the immigration issue as that allows me to demonstrate my point. Polls show that over 80% of the Americans want the overall level of immigration to be reduced. Yet the Heritage Foundation which is the #1 think tank for analyzing legislation before Congress and actually the most important resource for advising Representatitives and Senators about the content of legislation under consideration has analyzed the legislation that President Bush and many Republicans supported recently and concluded that this legislation would result in 100 million new immigrants legally in the next 20 years.
I am sorry Shari - but the Americans do not want 100 million new immigrants in the next 20 years. Yet Bush the fascist supports such legislation. You democracy ideology is stupid and foolish. It does not work. It is dysfunctional.
Deuteronomy 30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, [that] I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
It is our creator who gives us freedom. It is not the democracy ideology or any other creation of man that does this.
Wally #107
Re-read my posting. Nowhere did I say that you do not/have not voted. I simply stated that:
"those who do not vote cannot logically complain or moan."
Of course that doesnt include international incidents. The discussion was about american domestic system ie democracy.Although, its going off topic a bit, you did mention an old US v UK incident. The whole issue of english v us extradition is quite a minefield actually as we have given the US far too much power to extradite our citizens. The so called "natwest three" being a prime example.
They have been extradited to the US for crimes allegedly committed in the UK, against a UK bank with nearly all of the witnesses in the uk . Yet they have been extradited to the US and charged without any evidence needing to be shown due to a treaty that has been largely one sides up until recently. All because of the fact they sold part of a company to enron and they undervalued it. Natwest ( a british bank) was the company that lost out yet its being prosecuted in the US. Farcical in the extreme.
thank-you for explaining to me about Natwest. you are correct. It is farcical in the extreme the way the law was prosecuted by US in that case.
and you are correct that you did not say that I should not be able to vote. You kept the discussion civilized.
'Common Law' was a great idea and a great achievement. In America that legacy has been squandered massively. It is special interests and private interests who matter. the public or common interest means nothing.
No doubt Al Jazeera is not perfect. But they should be allowed to speak in America and world-wide. Believe me, the propaganda forces in America will squash them.
Shari accused me of being anti-American. I am not. I am pro-American. It is the United States that is anti-American.
Wally #110.
YOu were welcome to the information about the Natwest three case. It will be interesting to see how it turns out once the case reaches a full trial in the US.
I do try hard to keep discussion and debate civilized as I believe you do also. I have strong and passionate beliefs. I freely admit to being opinionated and I make no apologies for it *laughs*
Yes I wholeheartedly agree that al-jazeera is not perfect. I think I have my made my feelings/beliefs about that very clear in previous posts. I do, however, agree with you that they have every right to be allowed to be heard in america. It may be useful for further debate and understanding. I trust you when you say the propaganda forces in America will squash them.
As for your being anti-american I dont feel that well qualified to comment other than the fact you strike me as someone who is sincere in their beliefs and you seem to care a great deal about America and what goes on there and how you are perceived around the world. Seems pro-american to me.
#87--Malky--i'm sorry if i offended you. i checked the link & read the story & it was news to me. no i'm not some covert spy agency web site watcher, as a matter of fact i'm a retired waitress. this can't possibly make you happy! #99--Malky--why would the Scotsman be a target?
Scotsman, what happen to my last comments about Al-jazeera? Are you biased? you only published comments against US media? So, we are not allowed to critisize Al-jazeera because you have mooselims around you? So,That is fair and balance?
This is a very one-sided news report, in that the wonderful world of Al-Jazeera is well presented with none of its controversy.
I believe in a free press no matter how slanted or false, but I fail to see why there is so much rejoicing with the coming of this broadcast channel. I suppose the extremist element needs its own voice as well as anyone, so once again the UK proves itself to be the ultimate in multicultural societies. Bravo.
