Muslims are the new Jews

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2088-2404281,00.html

Amen!

France is probably the european country where jews feel the closest from 1930's Germany.
Attacks by arab-muslim youths on jews have sprung again recently. Since the dark years of 2000-2002 when jews (including children), jewish schools and buildings were attacked by young arabs all over the country, there has been a steady emigration of french jews, mainly to Israel, Canada and the U.S.
French jews consider that this country is not safe anymore for them and that the situation will get worse for themselves and their children.

Perhaps the Jews should try living life as a Palastinian in Gaza ....Lets Face it Germany has moved on but the Jews still play at "Victims".

1. Malcolm : -
This is the reason that the Jews need a nation state of their own. A country where their safety is guaranteed by the international body.

I note some peoples are saying the Muslims are the new Jews. This ignores the simple fact that the Jews never attacked their host country nor did they try to enforce their customs and laws on their hosts. Mostly they integrated and were an asset to their chosen country.

I don’t think the Muslims, with their rants and threats against our freedom of speech or their suicide bombers and demands for Sharia Law, can be considered in the same light as the Jews. The Muslim has rewarded our hospitality with murder and insults.

The current actions and inactions of the Muslims is giving rise to the Fascist right throughout Europe. Here in the UK, the BNP is now attracting members who only a few short years ago would have had nothing to do with this party of thugs - now normally sensible people feel they have no option.

I have been to Germany at least once per year for the last 30 years and have visited both rural and urban areas in West and East Germany but have never caught so much as a glimse of a neo-Nazi (although I have seen plenty of the great unwashed from the extreme Left and Anarchists in Bremen and Berlin) and certainly no thousands of SA men roaming the streets as in the 1930s. This may mean that I have been incredibly lucky or that the "problem" has been greatly exagerated by Knobloch and others for their own ends.
If things are so bad for the Jews in Germany then why does the Jewish population there increase through immigration rather than decline through emigration as it did in the 1930s?
If the NPD has been successful in recent German elections then that must represent a failure for the rest of the German political parties but their support remains miniscule and the situation in German is a million miles from what it was like in 1933.

#4 I couldn't agree more. Do the looney left not realise that their lax immigration policies and multicultural nonsense are creating the perfect breeding ground for the looney right?

Germany for Germans. Israel for Jews. Arabia for Arabs.

If you refuse to refuse to assimilate and insist on holding yourself out as a separate people and nation you should leave.

Read Theodor Herzl, that Lion of Zionism: EVERY nation has a right to its own state without meddling by alien peoples.

To the Jews I say: Arabs don't like it when Mohammed cartoons are published. You don't like it when the Diary of Anne Frank is burned. Both of you should either (1) get over it and assimilate, or (2) go home.

As long as utopian Europeans and Americans think they can buid a perfect world through socialism, any group like the Jews (or committed believers of any faith are in jeopardy). Totalitarians can't stand special relationships, and utopians are just totatlitarians in the bud.
Assimilation is not the issue for Jews: it's the right to be "different" while still respecting the civil laws. There is no evidence Jews are not respecting such laws in western countries. Muslims may be a different matter (sorry Paul).
Yet the Herzl quote should cause Jews to pause: for how can you justify one nation's ethnocentrism and deny others? If Jews can disposses Arabs in Palestine, why can't Germans or Russians expel Jews in Europe? If the second was wrong why isn't the first?

James, the success of the NPD (however "miniscule") does not necessarily represent a failure of other German political parties. The regional seats this party won was in Mecklenburg-Vorpommern, the Bundesland with the highest unemployment rate. The far right has a different platform than 60-70 years ago, surely, which is why the public should remain especially aware.

Even if the situation is not as grim as it was in Hitler's heyday, one cannot ignore the potential similarities in economic conditions which lead up to the German people fully supporting Hitler's dissolution of the republic. With the unemployment rate the way it is, as well as other structural economic problems, the question of right-wing extremism is one that must be taken seriously, since economic hardship tends to breed dissatisfaction and violence.

There is a persistent myth that Palestinians were dispossessed when Israel became a nation. First of all, there was no such thing as a Palestinian people or State. The area was called Trans-Jordan. Additionally, the Trans-Jordanian people that stayed along with their Jewish neighbors and the influx of Jews from Europe make up a large minority in Israel and enjoy rights that no other muslim in the Islamic world enjoys (e.g. right to vote, right to hold office, right to chose a religion THEY DESIRE, right to state their opinion with being beheaded). The ones that left were told to do so by the Islamic world which promised the anihilation of Israel and warned them to get out.

I find it disgusting that a lot of people in my country hold Europe in such high esteem-especially since there doesn't seem to be much of an interest in cracking down on those who would harm people of the Jewish faith, just because they are Jewish. I thought we-"as the civilized world"-were supposed to be moving beyond discrimination based on race or faith.

Jo #11 - do you extend your moral outrage to muslims?

Mitch: Don't confuse the dropped match with the forest fire. The dregs of the old right are irritating, but not the threat to the Jews that are the radical Muslims or the Euro-topians. The murder of Theo Van Gogh and the shameful arrest of Ake Green in Sweden point out the dangers of both.
Utopia can't long tolerate those who won't share its vision. Let dead devils rot and fight the live ones. Focus on the threats to the civil rights of all who challenge the hedonistic socialism of the Left.

14 Long Island Mitch... Please we Euros do love your delightful Prez and the fact that the Towel heads have Kicked American Butt to the tune of about 30 000 Killed or maimed Americas Finest..(for no good reason as it turned out).. just show how ungrateful Towel heads are for US Enlightenment....

When I wrote Earlier this morning.. Commenting that the German jews should try living in Gaza as Palestinians.. The censor took his pen to it.... Let see if this one gets through.

Why was my post about the 1933 Jewish economic embargo of Germany removed, yet the ramblings of Mitch left untouched?

Is it now a crime to mention the embargo, Scotsman?

I'd rather be a german Jew than a palestinian Muslim.

Re: #1 Malcolm "Muslims are the new Jews." Preposterous! Moslems, especialy Shiite Moslems are the new Nazis. Wake up and smell the coffee Europe! the Moors are on the march again and your elected fools have left the back door open. Again!

I just love how all the Americans on this board are posting boastful messages about how Europe has gotten it so wrong whilst they have gotten it so right. What exactly is it about America that makes it a better place for a minority to live? In the US, wages, life-expectancy, poverty & just about every other societal measure remain markedly different based on skin-tone. I've even seen some Real-Estate ads that include % of black-people in the neighbourhood. It might not be the Jews who are suffering state-side but every other minority sure is.

Gareth:
1. Do the math: the "minorities" come here in such enormous numbers we have to build fences to keep them out.
2. Our immigrants assimilate. We don't have the fifth column pockets of discontent the Europeans have.
3. Europe, by its own arrogant stupidity, ripped itself to bits twice in the 20th century, and your country and mind saved their butts both times at the cost of blood and treasure. Now their low birth rates and demographic plummet threaten to destroy them again. Why shoudln't I feel superior?

#19 Gareth
"societal measures" as you refer to them are not measures of individual potential, they are politicaly motivated cherry picking. In the USA (unlike Canada) racial minorities have rights and political clout to protect those rights. Most minorities are far richer in the USA than their counterparts in Europe and Canada

Incidentally, (except for 1.5 million [mostly Jamaicans] in the UK) there are no significant populations of "black-people" to speak of in Europe. According to 2005 U.S. Census figures, some 39.9 million African Americans live in the United States, comprising 13.8 percent of the total population.

#14 -

I'm a Christian and I say it's very sad what is happening to the Jews (again) in Europe, but it is to the advantage of countries like the U.S. that welcome Jews. The Jews are a blessing to the world. They have given the world so many scientists, Nobel Prize winners, etc.

As far as the Jews in Nazi Germany - they were dis-armed. Christalnacht (sp?) could never have occured if the Jews weren't forced to give up their weapons. Of course you, as a former marine, could probably take out a few Nazis even unarmed... at any rate, this is the REAL reason for the 2nd amendment in the American Constitution - without the right to bear arms, it makes it possible for an evil government to disarm its people, which then makes them much easier to abuse.

Interestingly, disarmament preceded not only the rounding up of the Jews in Germany, but also the horrors in Cambodia during the Khmer Rouge.

Europe is building fences too, like yours, they aren't working very well. Europe did rip itself apart twice and I think on the second time learned not to do it again. Perhaps America needs to really destroy itself a couple of times before it'll realise that starting wars all the time isn't a good foreign policy. The US isn't immune to the "arrogant stupidity" you speak of, thats exactly what Iraq was. You shouldn't feel superior because through that complacency your presidents, like the incumbent, are going to do everything you presume is a European problem.

We know Jews have been suffering persecution from new Nazis. But what about Muslim persecution against Jews in Germany and France? Why is not this problem properly addressed? In fact, why is such Muslim persecution against Jews covered up?

As a human being I think this is all rather sad.
We are all playing into the hands of those who
wind up society for the ultimate plan of a new world order. Banning religion, Race, Civil rights etc.
Love & Compassion for our fellow human beings is
what these people can't stand. So spread it around.

We don't have to go down the road to destruction.
Some people are making money out of all our misery. Don't play into this trap. We all have choices
in life, think positive people. Like attracts like remember. Don't make this come back to bite all
humanity on the Bum like WW 1 & WW2.

I have 2 sons I wont lose to any war. When men are
able to give birth maybe they will see things differently. God doesn't descriminate on his love for us. he loves all of us no strings attached. People
descriminate not God.

Think about what you want for our world long and hard. Our children don't deserve war and violence.
Be careful what you wish for because you just might get it , as they say.

there should be in Germany a "holocaust" museum in every street!

Re: #1 Malcolm "Muslims are the new Jews" - nice additional bit of mythology. Another bit is that the "evil Zionists" planned in advance to disposess and expell their Arab neighbors, who did not yet identify themselves as "Palestinians", being mostly migrant workers and "settlers". Consider for a moment the odds of a couple hundred thousand poorly armed Jews, lacking formal military training, being able to defeat combined armies of five Arab States (armed with tanks and artillery), not to mention Mufti's guerilla forces? The same Jews who were unable to successfully defend themselves for 2000 years? Arab leaders poisoned their youth with genocidal hatered and ignorance, which stemmed from supremacist elements of Islam, responsible for countless wars for over 1300 years, as well as most conflicts today. Arab leadership could not agree on much, except on Nazi-style extermination of Israeli Jews, right after Holocaust; but they lost, causing the Palestinian refugee problem, which they are currently using as a "moral justification" for destruction of Israel and her people. Jewish residents of Israel are forced to defend their historical homeland, because they have nowhere else to go. Existance of Israel is one of excuses for world-wide Islamist terrorism, but it is not the cause. The true cause is directly related to uncontrolled population growth in the Middle East, coupled with failure of their economies, as well as the totalitarian nature of their regimes. Similar conditions have always triggered wars. No easy solutions, except Muslims' having to reform and modernize their own societies, after Islamists hang themselves by a rope composed of their own hate, and inevitably become increasingly unpopular in their own neighberhood. This will not happen soon, nor will the victory be easy...

Bravo to the Scotsman for allowing the comment of ex-Marine Mitch, - comment 14.

Mitch feels frustrated as I do, at what seems to be an alarming weak and uninformed awareness in Europe of the threat to end all our freedoms and civil way of life.

The Scotsman sees an underlying truth in the view Marine Mitch forcefully outlines and bravely overlooks some of the intensity.

Churchill was a great scholar and in a short paper he wrote in school, he equated Muhammed with Ghingas Khan.

There was no attempt at any kind of slur. The fully researched paper merely stated an absolute truth that any careful scholar would arrive at.

Today*s Jihadist march must be stopped and we have no choice in the matter.

For us it is victory or death! We will not live in the prison of fudamental Shiia law, enforced by weekend hangings from local soccer field goal posts.

Put your Liberal emotions to one side for now and reaLIZE THAT YOUR BRILLIANT TONY BLAIR IS FULLY INFORMED AND PAINFULLY CORRECT.

Painful for you and I to face and admit, but mark my words, you don*t know pain until you come under the Jackboot of Al Qaeda or the Taliban.

Professional Media like the Scotsman are not free to use the direct and blunt language that Mitch and I use here as it could frighten the general public.

These are our informed opinions and as commentors we have the amateur freedom to express them in what can be termed a personally urgent manner.

I am no Marine, but rather an ex-RCN intellegence. = TG

On 9/11 World War III began. The war is between the Moslems, and the non-Moslems.
There are many similarities between this war and World War II.
- First, once again France is occupied by the enemy;
- Second, the scapegoat is the Jews,
- Third, much of Europe has been trying to negotiate with the enemy;
- Fourth, the League of Nations/UN has failed to avert the war;
- Fifth, Russia has been caught playing both ends against the middle ;
- Sixth, the US, UK, Australia, and Poland are among the first to see that the war has started (kudos to Italy this time for coming in on the right side and kudos to Poland for being ready this time);
- Seventh, a country with a deified leader in east Asia is helping the enemy (this time it's North Korea (kudos to Japan for supporting the right side this time));
- Eighth, there was a surprise attack on the US;
- Ninth, the enemy uses suicide attackers;
- Tenth, this war will probably end the same way, with a boom.
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Seems the comments are starting to stray "off topic"- the article is about the contention that life for German Jews of today somehow echos that of the 1930s.

To respond to Nicole #9, if the limited success of the NPD is down to the high level of unemployment in Mecklenburg-Vorpommern, then surely that represents a failure of the other political parties (the CSU/CDU, FDP and SPD have all held power to some degree since unification) to address the problems of the former DDR regions and to convince the electorate with the power of their argument. The SPD solution to the NPD problem was to try and ban it but, as was the case with the Vlaams Blok in Flanders, it would merely emerge under another name.

The economic conditions in Germany in 2006 are as far removed from those of 1933 as the economic conditions in Britain compared to 1926. Similarly the life of Jews in Germany today can in no way be compared to the persecution -by the state - they suffered in the 1930s. I think Frau Knobloch needs to get a grip as her comments merely invite ridicule in a state where Jews enjoy the full protection of the law (Holocaust denial laws have been the norm here for many years and far-Right groups are closely monitored bty the security services) and which is a close ally of Israel.

Shefali #22 I too am a Chritian (nominally at least) and I see the Jews neither as a blessing to the World or a curse. Like any other etnic group there have been the good and the bad Einstein and Miller counter balanced by the less attractive Trotsky and Bala Kun. During the Third Reich, there were relatively few firearms in private hands as totalitarian regimes are not keen on this. In any case, I can only imagine that armed resistance from Jews during Kristallnacht would have led to even greater bloodshed. Even today, few Europeans would welcome something along the lines of the 2nd Amendment - some of our American friends find it difficult to grasp that their percei

#30 James - In fact there are several European countries who have similar or even more permissive gun laws than the US. Austria is similar to the US, Norway Sweden and Finland are nearly the same, and Switzerland goes even further and issues an assault rifle to each law abiding man of military age. It is difficult to imagine that the Nazis would have succeeded in killing 6 million ARMED Jews. The fact is gun ownership has a marked affect on violent crime, it reduces it significantly. It makes the bad guys think twice. Do I have difficulty in grasping the fact that some Europeans still want gun control laws? No. I have accepted the fact that Europeans are incapable of avoiding war, and in fact are usually the historical root cause in most of the wars that we, the US, get dragged into. Did you ever notice that there aren't that many wars over here in the western hemisphere since the European nations were invited to stay out of our affairs?
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#31 Sean - regardless of the gun laws in a few European states being similar to those in the US, Europeans have a different outlook, different values and a different environment and the US way of doing things is not always what we want. I and many others are not convinced that a high level of gun ownership (particularly automatic weapons) is something to be desired or will lead to a decrease in violent crime (if someone breaks into my house in the UK and I beat him to a pulp, I would be charged with GBH. If I have gun in the house and blow his head off, then I face a murder charge as this is rightly not seen as reasonable force). Additionally I think your comment regarding 6 million armed Jews to be simplistic and in bad taste.
The US has never been dragged into a war unwillingly especially where it did not see some sort of advantage to be gained. If memory serves, it was "dragged" into WW2 by the Japanese and emerged from it bigger (with a few de facto colonies), richer and more powerful. Any help provided had to be bought from the US and Britain is still paying back its war debt. You may also recall that nasty skirmish the US had in South East Asia where, far from dragging them in, many European nations advised against intervention (French advice coming in the shape of a "don't do what we did" example). If you truely believe what you have written, then you obviously do not know the short, violent history of your own country too well. I for one am happy to stay well out of US affairs on a permanent basis provide they will reciprocate. Anyway, we are straying off topic again......

So, you libs finally got my message (post# 14) yanked, eh? That's alright, I'm not offended. I figured alan (or is it ahmed?) would whine enough to have it removed! what a Twit! I had a great opportunity to read and analyze what some of you wrote here. BTW, some of you are quite astute, others are lying like their future depends on the quality of their ficticious creations! Yet other posters show a virulent hatred of either my self or my country. Now about America... If you are not an American, you're just not gonna "get" it, you dig? I'm not bragging. I'm stating the facts, when I said yesterday that my country is the best, most honorable, decent and generous country in the history of the world. The problem, is that as a 230 year young country, all of the rest of the world looked at us and in fact, still judges us through the prism of their own historical and empiracal views and memories. In fact, the Frenchies amaze me the most. Those balless wonders actually think they are relevant in 2006. Too funny! Because of Napolean and because of their long history of associated human rights and land grabs (hahaha), they think they can cast a wide net of nose pointed up and indignant, moral platitudes directed at me and my mates here in the US. The Brits, Aussies, Italians, a few former soviet bloc countries and several smaller countries around the globe that believe in individual freedoms and a democratic form of government (including Israel), must realize ( I never understood why you Euro's never use the letter Z, but I digress!) that islamofascism must be located, closed with and ultimately, destroyed.This is going to be a long hard slog. Here's a little insight for some of you bleeding heart Utopian freakshows to digest; Bill Clinton could sell ice to Eskimos. he is/was a great communicator and very slick in his delivery. Our current president is not a good communicator. He can't even say the word nuclear without stumbling through it. But Bush has leaders

#33 - Thank you to Mitch for so many reasons why many Europeans are so uncomfortable with all things American. One does not have to be a liberal or "Ahmed" (I am neither) to disagree with this nonsence. The US is pretty far from being "best, most honorable, decent and generous country in the history of the world" (have any of these Americans actually read any of their own history?). It is certainly the most powerful country in the world but that is not exactly the same thing.
I think this post has nothing whatever to do with the article in "The Scotsman" (why are anti-European Americans reading a "European" newspaper?) so perhaps Mitch could find some other outlet for his somewhat disturbing thoughts.

Well said Jimmy...Nuff said.
Boy this is going nowhere fast. Your flogging a dead horse gentlemen just agree to dissagree.

If You want some food for thought look at
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# 34 Jimmy - To answer your question, the reason I and some of my compatriots read and comment in The Scotsman, is because we care about Scotland and the Scots. I for one was born in America, but my family comes from Wigtownshire and I have relatives there. We are members of Clan Grant, and I have visited Scotland several times and I hope to visit again sometime soon. Scotland and America share a great deal culturaly and many Americans have Scottish blood. Infact there are more people with Scottish blood and Scottish surnames living in America than living in Scotland. We even have a Highland Games annual event here in Orlando. I hope that answers your question.

#32 James - I think what Europeans fail to understand is that because Europe repeatedly drops the ball, America has to take up the slack (to mix metaphors) otherwise Europe ends up in danger and comes crying to us. America would be overjoyed if Europe would manage their own affairs without us. The trouble is Europe is dysfunctional and in denial that its foreign policies are strategic failures and its domestic policies are self-destructive in a cancerous sort of way. We see this, we tell Europe this, but Europe continues to repeat the mistakes of the past thinking that they were not mistakes. The only reason they were not fatal, was because we stepped in to prop Europe up after it began to fall. Are you saying that we should mind our own business and let Europe hang itself? That would be heartless, but then I guess that is the difference between Europe and America, Europe can be cold and heartless and we can't learn to be like that.

Also, #32 James - You said, "I and many others are not convinced that a high level of gun ownership (particularly automatic weapons) is something to be desired or will lead to a decrease in violent crime..."
What would it take to convince you and your fellow doubters? When a law was passed in Florida allowing virtually any law abiding citizen to carry a concealed semi-automatic hand gun or revolver (there is training required), the violent crime rate dropped by 20% in the first month and continues to drop. This may seem counter intuitive to most liberal minded people, but the reason is, criminals usually don't want to die, and either leave looking for easier victims elsewhere, or give up on their crimes. Occasionally the stupid ones end up in the morgue. Because this is a mandatory concealed carry state, it means that even those who don't carry are protected because the bad guys don't know who is armed and who is not. Did the liberal fears of a statewide version of the OK Corral materialize? No they didn't; law abiding citizens did not become murders just because they now had the means to protect themselves. The peace was not disturbed.
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#38 & 39 - I for one would be quite happy for the USA to leave Europe to make its own mistakes in both foreign and domestic policies; we really can't afford US style "successes" like Vietnam, Iran, Somalia, Iraq etc.... We neither need or want your "help" as it comes at too high a price.
As for gun ownership, the level of violent crime in Scotland is seen as high but is not at a level that would necessitate arming all of our citizens. What might seem to work in Florida is not necessarily what is required or desired in the UK.
In spite of our shared Scottish heritage, we appear to have nothing in common and, as Alex suggests, we should agree to disagree.
Disappointingly, there seem to be few comments relevant to the story (read the terms and conditions) and too many off-topic posts mainly by non-Europeans.

Hey Jimmy,
Chill out dude. Alex too! Look it: You can continue to rant and rave about it all you want and some of your arguments do have merit (indeed, my beloved country, the United States of America has made and continues to make...serious mistakes that we try to learn from in order to "be" Americans),but the realization (again with the Z's, ha) that ultimately it will be the U.S. that will charge over the hill when you're down to your last round and help you kick some ass. Ass that needs to be kicked but cannot be, because you socialist minded Euro's keep minimizing your defense/military budgets and raising your social/entitlement programs to the point that america "HAS" to come over and kick ass for you, or else you will be doomed. Why argue with flawless logic? Why try to put America down? Why not help? Don't you have nationalistic pride? Aren't you still a man, or has the fem/euro/social/left/anti- everything American, culture you grew up in, deballed you? We have a second ammendment. It works for us. Our Constitution is awesome because it takes human nature into high regard and was a very forward looking document. Don't lecture me about history. I am certain you will lose any debate! I too have firearms in my home. If someone violates me and my family by the act of breaking in while we are home; they will leave in a bodybag. I know that you are not as well trained as I am (four years in the Corps...OOH-RAH), but you should still have the ability to protect your valuables, your home and most importantly, your family! I read a great book, More guns, Less Crime, written by John Lott, a senior research scholar at the school of law at Yale university. The book explains the culture and the understanding of crime and gun control laws, far better than Sean, Anthony or I can. As far as reading your Scotsman goes, it was linked to the Drudge report. Drudge is an American icon, reporting on all sorts of news stories. Perhaps you might want t

Final post from me... I am also from Scotland. I just happen to live in Australia. Still have a West lothian/Lanarkshireish accent.
Don't laugh James it's not my fault.

Any way. I do understand Mitchs' right to defend his home in the State that he lives in. I understand The Euro way of life which is simmilar to Australia. I'm glad however that we all are different & need to keep our selves protected according to what is deemed right in our home lands. I do wish that we had a "real" Zero tollerance on all crime.
Our laws are too leanient on criminals. That's all
I have to say guys.

Mitch - The good ol' US of A needs us Europeans more than we need them - when the US Military Moloch salies forth in search of World domination, it is always good to have a few European nations in tow to give a little legitamacy to bring democracy US style at the point of a gun to a desperate World. Otherwise, why, with a huge population and a military budget in billions of dollars, would the US want or need any help from Europa.
You don't have to be a pinko/liberal/ban the bomb/save the whale/utopian/pacifist (did I miss anyone out?) to be out of step with th USA. There are a good number of nationalists across Europe (including myself) who do not see a love of their country and Europe as being compatable with support for the US.

I hope I have not been "deballed" by living with European culture any more than serving in your pale imitation of the Royal Marines has lobotomised you. Actually we are becoming over-run with Americana because of US cultuaral imperialism (something that annoys the French the most). I have 26 years service in the British military and thus have a bit of "training" but I still do not feel the need to keep an arsenal at home to protect my property and family even if this were legal. By and large, house breakers in Scotland don't come "tooled up" with firearms (a blade is the weapon of choice for the Scottish ned of today) and some decent home security usually puts off all but the most determined and professional. US gun culture is another American import we don't want. Finally Mitch, no from what I have read, I don't really want you as a friend and if I am down to my last round and see you coming over the hill, I will be in two minds what to do with that last round.

Alex, like you I am posting for the last time as there seems to be bog all posted here by the "US gun lobby" about the article which appeared in the Scotsman and I don't think the idea behing the "post your com

James - Re: "In spite of our shared Scottish heritage, we appear to have nothing in common". On the contrary, as any non-Scot blooded reader has probably already noted, we are all of us fiercely protective of our respective territories in the face of encroaching unwanted intruders, with me, it is my country, my home, with you, James, it is your culture and your newspaper's commentary. Had you been born in the USA, I am sure you would be proudly displaying your American flag across the back window of your Ford pick-up truck. No offence intended. ;-) Cousin.

I would also say that this commentary is in line with the story, because the issue discussed was should the Jews fight back against oppressors or just let the chips fall as they did in WW II.

Jimmy Would you believe that I lived in Livingston (Carmondean) in the late 1970's. Spent most on my lif up in sydney (Liverpool) & Near Picton, the on to lovley Canberra which is a lot like scotland including 4 seasons in one day.

#43 Jimmy - Yes, there is greater Americanization happening in Europe, but the reverse is also true (Euroticization?) and some of us gun nuts are not too happy about it either. We get tons (tonnes) of your TV here now. Loaded down with lots of sex and drugs it is. Bad for the younguns it is. We don't want our kids thinkin 'bout havin sex or smack when they should be studyin their NRA manual and fillin sandbags.

What does this have to do with the story, it just goes to show you that you don't have to be anti-Semetic to be a right-wing radical. OOH-RAH Mitch.

ooohI know i said i wont post any more stuff
I am justenjoying the cat fight guys.

And they say us girls are bithcy ...meow...Hissss
Isn't time up yet on this item ED?

#44 - Sean,
No offense taken - sensitive souls should stay clear of controversial debate. I have no problem with Americans defending their homes and country (just have a problem with the way they go about it) but I have no desire to be dominated by the US any more than I wanted to be dominated by the old Soviet Union. The US Government may see Britain as a close ally (assuming they give our feeble little island a thought at all) but the slavish obedience of Blair to US policy is not supported by a large portion of the population.

I don't see that the Jews are particularly oppressed and thus do not need any further protection than they enjoy already. Frau Knobloch, in common with many Jewish leaders, exaggerates the "problem" with neo-Nazis (itself a defamation used to smear nationalists in Germany) for her own ends. Far from making supportive comments like Petra Pau (not that we can expect much from this odious unrehabilitated Bolshevik harpie), German politicians should censure Knobloch for her ridiculous statements. However, most lack the courage to criticise Jews under any circumstances. In any case, the German Verfassungsschuetz is most diligent in monitoring and, on occaision, suppressing far-Right activity.

Jimmy.
What the hell are you saying,
pal and why do you have such a huge chip on your shoulder? "Unrehabilitated Bolshevik harpie"? Dude, scrape of the resins and change the screen already!

If anyone can decipher what Mitch has written, please help.

Petra Pau is a Member of the Bundestag for the PDS. Her previous job was a full-time officer of the Free German Youth Pioneers, the East German youth organisation responsible for the indoctrination of East German youth. She found herself out of a job with the dissolution of the DDR and joined the PDS, the succesor Party to the SED; essentially the Communist Party in Germany full of people for the oppression (and sometime the murder) of their fellow citizens. Her extreme Left-Wing views go some way to explaining her enthusiasm for the monitoring of Right-Wing extremists.

Her support for Knobloch's statement indicates little more than a desire to demonise and, eventually, eliminate (the PDS and certain elements in the SPD support the banning of the NPD) political opponents by other means.

Jimbo,
So, Petra Pau is a Member of the Bundestag for the PDS! That explains every damn thing!!!
Why didn't you say so in the first place? Now I gotcha! (NOT) BTW, I meant to say "scrape off the resins". Sorry about the confusion. Scrape "of" the resins does not make any sense at all, so at last you have won your first argument with me, my new euro friend. And about that friendship, irregardless of your callous and over smug initial answer, trust me, you DO want it. Americans like me will ultimately be tasked with the saving of a totally unprepared Europe....again!
Cao for now, dude.

Yankees........no sense (of humour).........

#48 James - Re: "...I have no desire to be dominated by the US any more than I wanted to be dominated by the old Soviet Union." Quite frankly, for a small strategic country like the UK, being dominated is inevitable in this day and age. The UK chose correctly in the last two wars when it rejected Germany, and the Soviet Union. The current apparent choice, namely between the USA and the EU, is a not a strategic reality, since the EU is not a serious strategic player. The real current choice for the UK is between your cousins in the USA, and the murderous hoards in the Empire of Islam who are raising a domestic fifth column right under your obliviously tolerant noses. Islamists are the antithesis of tolerance once their numbers reach a critical mass, then suddenly those who refuse to convert to Islam must die or be driven from the land as is happening in Africa as we speak. The EU lacks the will, the might, and the cohesiveness to fight off an enemy as zealous and well organized as the Islamic militias. The future of your island is in play, the enemy is massing in your cities and towns and training their youth while you slumber, they are infiltrating your vital command and control nodes, your transportation and communication hubs, your legal and constabulary bulwarks, and finally your power and food distribution systems. They are attempting to take your land by stealth and attrition and directed low-level violence. You are living in 1934 Nazi Germany, only this time you are playing the role of the Jews. Don't wait until the ovens are hot and the brown shirts mobilized to realize that you have a problem. See your enemy and plan for his attack. The Adolf Hitler of Persia has issued his warning to you. Take him seriously. Keep your passports and visas current, make friends in America, Australia and New Zealand. Toronto is nearly lost already. Be ready.
(click on my name above to read more about "Londonistan")

#53 Sean, truely you do not understand the peoples of this island if you think they will happily allow ourselves to be the 51st state or the USAF advanced aircraft carrier.
Perhaps it is a lack of knowledge of history (indicated by this and your post #29 - it would have been difficult for the UK to "reject" the Soviet Union in WW1) that leads the US to behave in such a rash manner so often and in so many places. The EU is still in its infancy but has the potential to be a powerful block and counter-balance to the bully that is the USA. The UK was indeed allied to the US for part of WW1 and WW2 but the cost of that alliance was high for us as, especially during and after WW2, Britain was effectively "asset stripped" by the US as the price of their support. Many in Britain (and in France) recall the lack of support from our gallant ally during the Suez crisis in 1956. The stab in the back in 1812 when we were fighting Napoleon is a bit to distant to be relevant, however it is an early example of the Americans trying to "liberate" a population i.e. the Canadians who really didn't want American style liberation (or expansion).

If Britain has a problem with Islamic extremists at home then we will deal with it without US help, which is part of the problem rather than the solution (we do have our own intelligence agencies, Police and Armed Forces which are, for the time being, not subordinated to your own). Your comparison with 1934 Nazi Germany merely invites ridicule and the sweeping generalisations of your post will leave readers (if there is anyone left reading this so far has it strayed from the issue of the article) in many parts of the UK bemused. Scotland itself has a small Muslim population and few of them are Islamist Zealots so I feel we are a long way from the domesday scenario you describe.

#54 James - well, I suppose the USA's very existence can be attributed to "asset stripping" on the part of England prior to our Declaration of Independence so from our point of view England was due a pay back in 1812, besides there is that little incident of burning the White House that crops up, but we have forgiven you all for that. I don't recall anytime that the USA ever sacked London, so we shouldn't delve to deeply into who owes who for what. Anyway, I was not advocating that the UK should become the 51st state, just that it not put much stock in the EU being a better protector than the USA is, not that the UK can't fight off an attack, but I think it would be good if we were both on the same page when it comes to who is the enemy. I understand that Scotland's Islamic population is small, however the power center of the island is situated in London (which has a large Islamic population) and Scotland is currently still part of the United Kingdom. It may be wise to consider full independence for Scotland so that she can decide her own policies on immigration.

My comment about rejecting the Soviet Union referred to the Cold War, not WWI. 1934 referred to the Nazi build up to WWII. Anyway, don't think in terms of WWII when it comes to the tactics of an Islamic invasion, think Chechenya or Kosovo. On top of that I have a pet theory that the Iraq war was not Bushes idea, I think Tony Blair and MI6 talked Bush into invading Iraq, that is the reason Blair supported the war. Iraq was created by Britain so it was her baby when it went sour. Not having a sufficient land army to invade, we happily obliged our ally. What say you to that theory?
I knew that my post would be met with some disdain, however I am convinced that it will ring in the ears as events begin to unravel in Europe. My motivation for posting it is serious, and since you don't know me, I can understand a certain amount of reluctance to believe a strangers prediction. Howeve

#55 - Well you can stop asset stripping now as, apart from Gibraltar, Tristan d Chuna and the Falklands, we have little left for you. By 1812 it was Britain rather than England and, if memory serves, the US invaded Canada and was promptly repulsed by a smaller force of British Army and Canadian (including former Americans) Militia soldiers. Sorry about the burning the White House thing but you did ask for it....... The more recent Suez back stab is still a source of resentment for some especially coming so soon after WW2. Why trust an ally such as that? Is it any surprise that Britain left you alone to suffer your own fiasco in Vietnam? To bad for the US as the Malayan campaign showed we were quite good a these tricky jungle insurgencies.

Please note that Scotland is a country within the United Kingdom and has its own Parliament and laws. The power centre is indeed still London but there is a world of difference. In theory, independence for Scotland would be great but the current crop of "numpties" masquarading as politicians in Ednburgh would be more likely to allow greater immigration of all and sundry.

I only agree with your "pet theory" in so far as i don't think the Iraq invasion was Bush's idea but rather the " string pullers" in the US. Certainly not Tony Blair's idea as he follows the US lead rather than lead himself. Besides, the US does not do favours for allies but, like most countries, operates from a position of self interest. The US invaded Iraq because it thought it was good for the US nothing to do with helping allies or spreading democracy or any of that crap. The increasingly beligerant policies of the US will continue to alienate many Europeans especially the constant and unquestioning support for Israel no matter what it does. One more reason for not wanting to be allied to the US; some of your other allies have too much blood or their hands.

#56 James - Ah, yes Palestine, another British creation (map under my name above). The Balfour Declaration. The partition (along the Jordan River). I recall that Trans-Jordan (Jordan) was originally part of Palestine and when the British pulled out, the Jordanians tried to annex the eastern (Jewish) half of it with the help of the other Arab nations. The pull out and ensuing war in 1948 speaking of backstabbing. Wonderful decisions that brought us great benefits in the 21st century.
The "invasion" of Canada was really just a dispute over the placement of the border with Maine. The Canadians got half of what they wanted. Anyway Britain neglected Canada, so I wouldn't really call it British at that time. It was a big deal over nothing. To this day the Canadians control an enclave of land on the southern side of the St Lawrence River, something that makes no sense, but they had to have it.

#58 - The days when "Perfidious Albion" painted the map red are long behind us and we are reduce to supporting players now that it is the USA's turn for a shot at World domination.
Again your view of the recent "Palestine" history seems to be much influenced by Neo-Con pro-Israeli "Weltanschau". The terrorism of the Stern Gang and Irgun against the Arabs as well as the British (it was far from a one way street) contributed greatly to the inevitability of the 1948 war. War was what Begin in particular wanted war as he did not want to settle for a small Israeli state and wanted something bigger where all Jews could settle. Unfortunately (or fortunately if you are a Zionist) the Arab armies wern't up to the job and the only competant unit on their side was the British-led Arab legion. The British made the mandate for Palastine but after 6 years of war and an Empire to police, it didn't have the resources to deal with the Palastein situation adequatly. Perhaps we should have given the job to the US as they had far greater resources and were "fresher" having only really joined battle in 1942.

The short lived invasion of Canada was nothing more than an opportunistic attempt at US expansion whilst Britain was occupied fighting the French. The war achieved nothing as, luckily for the US, Britain's main effort was eleswhere. If the full resources of the empire had been thrown against the US, it might have got a bit nasty, more so than a few burnt buildings in Washington. I think the war means more to the Canadians than anyone (in Britain it is all but forgotten) as they see it as the time they stood up to the Americans and started to forge a common identity.

It is the Suez thing that bugs some Brits the most (a bit before my time but I remember the really "old" guys in my unit when I started my military service were involved), when the US threatened sanctions against us and the French (not sure a