i cant understand why the Israelis kill so many innocent people in Lebanon, Gaza & elsewhere, after2 of their soldiers have been captured, when they hold so many political prisoners in their jails, without trial. Also they have one of the strongest armies in the world backed by the US, against poorly equipped Lebanese & Palestinian fighters.
who are the real terrorists ?

"Who are the real terrorists?"

It's a depressingly long list - Blair, Bush, Olmert, Ahmadinejad, Nasrullah, Bin Laden, al-Otari.................

I saw Simon Jenkins on BBC World a couple of weeks ago in a lively debate, and he said that maybe all-out war was the only, and inevitable, option here, tragic as that would be. He may be proved right, alas. The panel in the discussion included "opposing" forces from each side, and Jenkins at one point said of the discussion that it reflected the wider problem, in that all it constituted was one lot of protagonists slagging off and blaming the other, issuing lists of preconditions and demands to the other, and opining that the other had it in their exclusive power to make the first move to stop the war. On that basis, he said, he saw little prospect of any cessation of hostilities - quite the opposite.

i dont understand why the Israelis kill so many innocent Lebanese & Gaza civilians after the capture of 2 of their soldiers, when they hold so many political prisoners in their jails without trial.
also they have one of the strongest and heavily armed forces in the world , backed by the US, agains poorly equipped fighters protecting their country. Why are they stealing more land by building an illegal wall thru Palestine ?
who are the real terrorists ?

The real terrorists are those in Washington who are pulling the strings; the people who are supplying Israel with the means to destroy Lebanon. What is more important is their purpose, why is Lebanon being wantonly and wilfully destroyed, is it to let the whole world see what might happen to them if they disagree with US policy?
This a war conducted by the US and Israel, in concert.

So because Israel holds prisoners it is ok for Hezbollah to do the same and fire rockets at Israel at the same time.

The days when Israel can attack its neighbours with impunity are over.

'Chilling' or 'inevitable'? If Israel (backed by the US) declares unilateral war on the rest of the Middle East what else do they expect?

Who are the real terrorists? Jenni, how much time have you actually spent in Israel or the middle east to form such opinions? Have you actually ever been there ? One thing that really gets my goat is everybody and their Uncle taking turns at criticising Israel when the vast majority of them have never actually been, have never met either an Israeli or a Palestinian, and know nothing or next to nothing about the suffering the Israeli people have to put up with on a day to day basis. People like the ones who picketed the Israeli cricket team last week in their visit to Scotland. Like the ones who demonstrate regularly outside Marks and Spencers on Princes Street. Are you really protesting against Israeli terrorism or are you just anti-semitic? I for one have lived and worked in Israel, I have many friends there, and I know people in Quiryat Shemona who have been getting shelled regularly for the last 10-15 years, yet no one in Lebanon, no one in the West, and no one in the UK was prepared to speak up for them or to take any action to stop it. I do not necessarily agree with the level of violence Israel is using in Lebanon, but can one of you people in the anti-Israel brigade please provide me with one credible alternative as to what the Israelis can do to defend themselves, to ensure their own security, to stop their territory and people being shelled from within Lebanon? I think you should stop blaming Israel, a country which is merely defending itself from direct attack, a country which stands alone amongst the enemies which surround it. Why don't you start blaming Hezbollah, Iran, Syria instead? Even better, why don't you blame your own country, who started the whole problem in the first place by partitioning the country in 1948, and who then exacerbated tensions in the middle east by launching a pre-emptive invasion of Iraq? It is absolute hypocrisy of the highest order for you people, living untroubled lives in this safe and quiet island, to pump on about Isra

Reading between the lines they are saying that Syria will fully support Hezbollah in their "war with Israel (but how? weapons, ammunition, the use of Syria to launch attacks from?), and the minute Israel retaliate there will be "most welcome" war in the Middle East.

It's beginning to become clear what Syrian policy for the area is; they would be more than willing to perpetuate the war rather than see an end to it.

I don't see how this current crisis can be resolved; except through the complete annihilation of the Israeli nation...

Israel (read Stern, Irgun, Haganah) is based on stolen land. There will be no peace until all stolen property is returned to the real owners.

Israel is the biggest theft in history. With ample support of the British colonialists.

This article should be read in the light of the knowledge that Syria and Iran have concluded a formal alliance whereby if either is attacked the other will assist.
3rd WW here we come?
Jacob - I agree that people should be as objective as possible and although entitled to their opinions, should not state as fact that which is an opinion. I note you have experience of living in Israel, have you similar experience of an Arab country? Otherwise of course, it would be fair to assume you could be a bit one-sided? For the record I have visited both Israel and a couple of Arab countries and would generally agree with Jenni's comments, albeit she do not of course tell the whole story.
Davo - What about Israel agreeing to 1967 borders and the Palastinian right to return, as directed by the UN ages ago? This would satisfy enough of the Arabs to carry it through and would not entail the destruction of Israel. Of course this would entail Israel doing something revolutionary - committing a selfless act.

Truth be told, one persons freedom fighter is another's terrorist. A relatively weak Lebanese government has been unable to effectively control its own sovereign territory in the area around the border with Israel, and as a consequence has been unable to stop these "unofficial" attacks on Isreali territory.

So what to do now? Clearly the US backed Isreali's and the militia they are fighting are in a no-win situation. "Eliminating" Israel is hardly likely to inspire Israeli confidence in talking to their opponents, and the militia's sending rockets into Israel isn't going to materially affect anybody's territorial claims in the region.

What needs to happen is a fundamental recognition of everyone's basic human right to live in peaceful existence from both sides. Only then can there be true negotiations and, over the next gernerations, a true sense of justice on both sides.

What is clear for now, however, is that the militias and the areas such as the Gaza strip are impoverished, providing a breeding ground for the resentment which has spilled into bloodshed. The economic sustainability of Palestinian controlled areas of the Middle East is fundamental to a lasting peace - after all, if you have nothing to lose...

Building a wall in Isreal to seperate the Palestinians and Israeli's just isn't going to solve anyones problems - because it doesn't address the issues. If the Jewish run US government could see beyond its commitment to aiding its Isreali brothers in the Middle East, and could instead take a longer view at economic growth over the longer term across the region, then the impetus to fight might just well be lost. It happened in Northern Ireland as the Republic caught up and then overtook the North in terms of wealth.

And the arabs themselves have to find a consistent leadership with which the Israeli's can negotiate. The Gulf states are packed with Palestinians, Lebanese and Syrian traders who have com

It is not very hard to comprehend or to define what is the problem in this conflict. It is the ridiculous idea that violence solves anything. On top of that the idea that security can be obtained through the way of arms, also is equally hopeless. There is only one sure thing, like the old saying goes. Those who live by the sword, will perish by the sword. But what I am worried about, is not how many people are killed, - it is the ideologies and ideas that lie behind the killings. It is the way of thinking that perpetuates and sanction ruthless killing, nomatter who or where. This ideology is wrong, whether it comes from Israel or Hizbollah or whom- and whereever it comes from. All it takes to really stop hostilities is to lay down your arms, and stretch out your hands. I may be naive, I may be a fool, - but atleast I am a non-violent fool. I advocate pacifism and non-violence as the only way to truly win this. Take a look at Dalai Lama's current non-violent approach, it is far more effective than trying to kill whomever has something against you. Obsession and futility through a very limited and paranoid perception of the world, is the only thing sure to follow from warring. And yes, it is really okay if you disagree from this post. That is the point. If more people would disagree with eachother, and look at things from different perspectives, perhaps this conflict would never have started. Unilateralism from both the western (incl. Israel) side and the eastern (Arab) lands, are what perpetuates this, sadly. The kind of unilateralism that says: "Shoot first, - think second."

Andy, Argyll @ 9;

Agreed, Israel should adopt the pre-1967 borders, and abide by the UN resolution. There are a lot of things Israel could have done, and should have done, which might have prevented this current crisis.

However, they are by no means blameless. Lebanon were also required to disarm Hezbollah, remove Hezbollah from their land, and this hasn't happened. Hezbollah has received funding and backing from Syria and Iran with the intention of perpetuating the situation.

Further, I have a hard time believing that if Israel complied with all they should that this "would satisfy enough of the arabs". Iran/Syria/Hezbollah have stated repeatedly that they want nothing less than the total destruction of the state of Israel, they want the Israeli/Jewish influence in the Middle East to cease.

I'd like nothing more than peace in the East; but all sides involved in the Middle East have to reach the same conclusion, before there is no one left to make peace with..

Davo

You hit the nail on the head when you point out that Iran/Syria/Hezbollah have stated repeatedly that they want nothing less than the total destruction of the state of Israel. This one will run and run, I fear, immediate ceasefire to the current fracas or not.

"I don't see how this current crisis can be resolved; except through the complete annihilation of the Israeli nation..." says Davo
And Jacob says,
"please provide me with one credible alternative as to what the Israelis can do to defend themselves, to ensure their own security, to stop their territory and people being shelled from within Lebanon?"
The answer to that question has been very clearly stated recently and for the past several years, Jacob. Both Palestine and Hezbollah want the multitude of prisoners set free by Israel. Period.
This crucial item of injustice is being ignored by those nations who are benefiting from the escalating daily violence on both sides. Those dickering over words right now at the UN who want shalom, salaam, peace... but not yet.
For the Palestians and those Lebanese called Hezbollah, who represent one-third of the elected government of Lebanon, theirs is that old Biblical plea: "let my people go".
Jacob, not living in or working in Israel does not mean people cannot have informed opinions about the situation. The Palestinians, both moslem and christian, have suffered for years under oppression from Israel. Going on a brief vacation to Israel gives that sorrowful experience to many visitors who bring it home. Many local Israelis also protest the harsh and unjust treatment of their Palestinian neighbours; just ask them. Thousands of Palestinians have their homes and orchards bulldozed while family members are kept with no chance of release in Israeli prisons for fear they will retaliate against Israel if let out. Don't the Palestinians have any justified "self-defense" to fight about? Why is this conflict only about the juistification of Israel and if anyone speaks out against it they are labelled an anti-semite? Just as in the USA anyone speaking out against the Iraq war are labelled (and in some cases, arrested) as "un-patriotic" and "traitors&q

Davo - There are few "clean hands" when the situation reaches war, is it has done here. There are the intransigents on both sides, however the key Arab players in this arena are the Palastinians, not the Lebanese, not the Syrians etc. I believe if the Palastinians can be satisfied and agree to peace than it would rob the others of any ligitimacy to pusue further.
Israel has had plenty chances to deal with a (relatively) moderate Palastinian leadership and must shoulder the blame for the position it now stands in - having to deal with Hamas. It drove the Palastinians to this extreme position. I am more optimistic than you, I think the Palastinians want peace, - but a just peace and that they would accept a "67" solution. I do not think any Israeli government would stand a chance of carrying it through though - they would appear to be more interested in brinkmanship, engendered by the ongoing, unblinking support of the USA and Israel's hitherto invincible armed forces.

Reading all these headlines and opinions, leaves one wondering if there is ever going to be a solution to the whole sorry mess.
Some cite, Israel shold not be there, it's on stolen land, unfortunately, it is there, pre WW2 there were jews living in the area, as were arabs, are the Palestinians entitled to a homeland, ofcourse they are, same as the jews, or I should say Isralies, ofcourse people eed to sit down and talk, trouble is, everyone has their own agenda, are they prepared to listen to one another?.
There are protest everywhere, about what Israel is doing, well sorry, I dont see any protests about Iran and Syria allowing weapons to pass through their countries and accross their borders, to what is essentially a terrorist organisation.
Is Israel being heavy handed in the way it is dealing with the situation? most probably,, it is not garnering any support from the normal man in the street, it is supplying Hezbollah with enough material to help with recruitment for many years to come.
IMHO a lot of this has to do with education, in the arab world, everything and anything is straight out of the Koran, the standard of literacy is probably in the region of 50%, and that is probably on the high side, so for any news to be delivered, it comes from arab television, Al Jazeera et al or from the local Mullah, sorry, but those people have a totally bias opinion, but the people believe them, in fact it's ot so much different than what went on in Europe at the time of the reformation.
Educate the people and they might see the futility of it all

Sadly Isreal had one opportunity for peace and it decided to ignore it, that was the removal of Sharon from power and the death of Arafat. Rather than taking the step of seeking peace with the Palistinians, even if that meant partial talks with Hamas it went down the route of violence. After all Hamas, although a terrorist group had effectively ceased suicide bombings for the previous two years. If Hamas did continue causing problems then I would have fully supported Isreal and it actions after the election. Given the British experience of terrorism in NI, we should have been more active in encouraging dialog between these two groups rather than preventing it. Irrespective of how difficult it is for Isreal do keep in mind that it was the UK Tories who started the dialog with the IRA, even when many of them had also been victims of the terror attack in Brighton. I do not entirely blame the Isreali's but courage of leadership was needed, not one which pandered to fear and media pressure.

We then turned to the next chapter of the conflict, which was the kidnapping of Isreali soldiers, which was no doubt prompted by Iran trying to deflect world wide attention from its own nuclear ambitions. Isreal had every right to go after those responsible, but did not need to use such excessive force. Its short sighted policy has only served the interests of all those who oppose it and has even united the Christians and Muslims in Lebananon, something which was almost unheard of before. Also they totally failed to realise that Hamas is more than a terror group, it is also an integral part of the social infrastructure for many people through its provision of schools, hospitals and building projects. In essence it has bought many Lebanese people, who I am sure would rather have these facilities than not at all. Even if that means tolerating Hamas.

This is not all the fault of Isreal, the Lebanese govt has shown incredibly weak leadership and should have saught to enf

On 22nd July 1946 the King David hotel in Jeruselem was bombed.

Some 91 innocent people lost their lives on that day.

Jewish, Arabic, British and other lives were taken in that attack by the IGURN Jewish Terrorist Organization led I believe by Begin the future Israeli Prime Minister!

The Jewish murder and ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian people is typified by the brutal murder of some 250 Palestinian men, women and children in the village of Dier Yassim. Israel continues to carry out a policy of genocide against the Palestinians to this day.

This genocide of the Palestinians continues to this day despite the fact that Israel was established after the Jewish success in driving the Palestinians out of their lands and renaming it Israel.

The Gaza strip is the largest concentration camp existing in the world today!

Israel was born as a result of Jewish terror and the successful Jewish ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian people. The present conflict is basically a case of the Palestinian people doing to the Jews what the Jews have done unto them. This is why the democratically elected Hamas Government holds the view that it does. I am sure that the Lebanese resistance fighters are also exacting revenge.

Jewish tyranny has spread beyond Israel and now oppresses the people of Europe and Canada. Jewish people do not permit the populace of either Europe or Canada to exercise their intellectual right to critically examine what the Jewish people claim to be historical events. At the first sign of defiance of what the Jews force Europeans or Canadians to believe about historical events and the sceptics are imprisoned for failing to believe what their Jewish masters force them to believe on pain of a lengthy term of imprisonment.

In Canada the Cohen commission resulted in the enactment of the iniquitous Section 319 of the Canadian Criminal Code. Under this section a person can be prosecuted for a "Hate Crime&qu

Hey Jacob, does the fact that most of us in Scotland don't know Israel also mean our horror and condemnation of the Holocaust is equally invalid?

To restate whats been said-

A people has the right to exist.

Iran, Syria and Hizbollah want the annihiliation of Israel. Annihilation is wrong.

The palestinians have been offered the entire west bank and gaza. Israel just unilaterally withdrew from Gaza and EVEN NOW, Olmert discusses plans for disengagement from the west bank.

The palestinians want the annihiliation of israel.

The arab prisoners in Israeli Jails are Criminals. Some are murderers, others are theives, bombers, kidnappers. All of these prisoners have had fair and open trials. They are hardened criminals. We can no more ask Israel to free these prisoners than we can ask Scotland to free its prisoners who may be of Arab descent. This demand for prisoner release is patently absurd.

The claim that Israel is somehow "stolen" land is akin to arguing that England was "stolen" by William the Conqueror and the Celts and Druids have real claim to the land. People immigrate and emmigrate. Israel, like australia, canada, the U.S. and any more england, and france, is a nation of immigrants. It is a melting pot of heritage and history. So what if an Israeli's parent was born in Morroco, Iran, the U.S. or poland. Are they less legitimate people, do they not have the right to live where they choose? The so called "palestinians" have diverse heritages. Some hail from egypt, others jordan, syria, yemen. There is no greater legitimacy of any one people or another to a piece of land.

Those who will choose peace, deserve to have it.

The palestinians, hamas, hizbollah, syria and iran have chosen war. I have no sympathy left.

Olmert discusses some aspects of disengagement but in many cases is refusing to accept even UN policy and resolutions on the issue.

The mistake Isreal has always made is to use excessive force and restrictions, whether that be now or in Gaza etc. They simply never learn!

That said the Jewish state of Isreal is infinately preferrable to most if not all of the Islamic states in the region and elsewhere. It´s all relative.

Joseph..

There is a documentary that details what is going on in Palestine.. It should be called

Peace Propaganda & the Stolen Land..

You can watch it at Google Video:
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-78281237143849...

the truth of the matter is that Isreal doesn't want anyones input, approval, or agreement. They just want the backing so they can defend themselves in self defence. Is Isreal going to go in after this is all over and rebuild Leb?? No, they will leave that to the UN, the World, or the soft American government to do because they are just a poor 50 year old country that wants to live in peace..... Isreal never did appologize for blowing up the USS Liberty during the six days war, even tho they knew the ship was one of their allies.

Here's another Google Video for the Israelis to be proud of;
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=528638848744395...

Eveyone seems to be stuck in the same rut when trying to discuss this problem. Trying to attribute blame and assuming any of the factions involved want peace. Jim's got it right the US backed by the UK use Israel as a means to an end of maintaining instability in the region. Why else would the US support Israel to the extent is does with the billions of dollars, weapons and political pressure, unless it gets something in return. I just feel sorry for the people caught up in it on both sides.

The current situation between Israel and Syria reminds me of the Viet Nam war. The Islamonazis are attacking Israel with a protected base of supply in Iran and Syria. The stated and restated goal of Iran is the elimination of Israel. The current governments of Iran and Syria will never allow Israel security.

History shows war can actually solve issues. I expect a widening war. Israel will not be able to stop the attacks based in Lebenon without occupying most of it. I expect Iran to pull a Yalu river and enter the conflict directly. The elimination of the mulla's rule would also go a long way towards the pacification of Iraq and be a blessing to the people of Iran. Technically, a state of war exists between Iran and the US already since they invaded our territory in 1979. Thank you Jimmy Carter.

The UN is worse than useless. It needs to be ignored and has only made the problems of the region worse. It has aidded Hezbollah, instead of disarming it as required. Deplomacy only works after victory.

Oh, by the way, civilians do die in war. Ask your grand parents about the Battle of Britain.

They've not joined yet as they still remember the bloody nose they got in the Israeli Arab war some years back. If the US was not a backer of Israel it may well have been wiped off the map by now.
The way things are going the middle east will all be wiped off the map.

Israel should address the UN with a statement as follows: To any country or group that wishes to continue to attack Israel... I wish you to give thought to this one work... Hiroshima.

Wage Peace - You are very partisan. Israel can do no wrong eh? Your arguements do not hold up at all - how can you equate the jewish siezure of Palastinian land in 1948 with Celts wanting England back from William the Conquerer, what rubbish! There is the small matter of thousands of years which you Israel apologists seem to conveniently forget about when discussing the Israeli "homeland". That is it was someone else's homeland during that time. I am a Celt - I hereby give up my right to England, France, Northern Italy, Switzerland etc etc etc. Even if my distant ancestors used to own IT ISN'T MINE ANY MORE. - And Palastine wasn't the Israeli's either.
You say "I haven't any sympathy left" - you never started with any, China!

I think Syria wants Israel to attack her because she knows full well. That the populations in the other Arab states would force their Governments to come to her aid or risk being toppled.

Worst case senario in this conflict would be Israel being nuked by Pakistan. Thankfully Pakistan's nuclear warheads cannot reach Israel as told to her by Indian Intelligence.

How about the truth about the capture of the israeli troops,was it not so in the first reports that they were in fact captured INSIDE lebanon?

And how about the big picture that nobody seems to consider?
That of the murder of rafik hariri.
Sure, the syrians were soo stupid that they killed him,getting the "international community" to call for their withdrawal from lebanon.
How convinient for the israelis and americans,
to fill the vacuum now...

Next stop iran?

I think that if Israel faces total annihilation they will ship there people out of Israel, drop several nuc's on syria, iran and a few other regions... Just to "hook a brother up" after all aren't all extremists in the fast lane to Alla? They'll just arrange the meeting sooner rather then later...

I just hope that when muslims pray they pray that the US hold Israel at bay.

I was under the impression that Syria already is in league with hezbollah

#18 Stephen
Hezbollah attacked Israel first.

What are the dreams of the Hezbollah, versus the dreams of the Israelis? Who has a better dream for the future in the middle east? One is a Suicide Society that dreams of strapping bombs to their children, storing weapons in hospital nurseries, cutting off human heads and shaking them in your face, then running to the computer to joyfully watch IEDs blow up human beings of all races and religions (on the numerous websites of their brothers).
The other group dreams of sending their children to the Olympics, sending them to college, sending them to summer camp, protecting them at all costs from debased predators that preach genocide and plot global destruction.
World leaders of Non-Suicide Societies should ask the leaders of the Suicide Societies to snap out of it, and stop dreaming of nuclear armageddon and join the world community in taking care of their people, all people, including their women.
The Free World needs to convince the people of the Non-Free World and Suicide Societies that our dream is a better one, and to help them start dreaming of a better life. The Nazi's and the Kamakazi's were suiciders, and it is a dead end job with no future.

Frankly I don’t know how anyone can be critical of Israel’s posture. Not only have they being provoked but also attacked by known terrorist that have NO concern for civilian lives. Hezbollah is clearly responsible for ALL civilian casualties on both sides. The indiscriminate barrage of TOUSANDS of rockets directed at civilians fired at Israel is more than enough for anyone, with a half of a brain cell working, to realize what kind of principles Hezbollah holds. Furthermore, Syria and Iran are fully supporting Hezbollah and it is a known fact that both countries want the total annihilation of Israel and both patronize, support and finance global terrorism.

Actually this is a tremendous opportunity to inflict a mortal wound on terrorism and I would hope that both Syria and Iran are dealt the same hand as Hezbollah. If Hitler was stopped immediately after the invasion of Poland there would not be 6 million + Jews massacred. By the way, Israel HAS NOT FORGOTTEN and I hope they never will.

To all that complain about Israel.
What country in the world has and let a terrorist group in their country be fully armed and even have a place in the government? Imagine if the ETA would shoot hundreds of rockets into France and in addition having 2 representatives in the Spaniard goverment?

To all that say that Israel is taking land.
What does Hezbolla cares? Lebanon is not even their country and they are taking it hostage. Hezbollah are not Lebanese, they are just fighting in a country that is not even theirs. They are taking an entire country hostage.

To all that complain about ISRAEL. Why didn't they complain when during Lebanese civil war, Hezbollah killed hundreds of fellow Lebanese, Christians and Muslims. Who complained then?

Hiroshima

Israel will prevail when hizbollah is lead to despair and when the free society of Lebanon acts together in disarming the rest of hizbollah's wolverines.

In any war there is collateral, in this case it is Arab children and mothers. Nobody wants this kind of loss on their conscious, and nobody is gladden by it. What is unfortunate is that Hizbollah is firing rockets from the backyards of residentual areas, and they are storing their weapon artilleries inside homes. This is a most unfortunate thing but one cannot pinpoint precisely every militant person and distinguish them from regular persons, some of which have been reported delivering missiles to the enemy. One must also understand that the civilians while innocent, are not all that naive at the same time. Instead they are apathetic to Hizbollah.

But I am not a soldier or politician.. I am just a Jew, and I have given up on the world. We live in an undoing world that is constantly alienating itself from G-d. What I know is that I shall defend myself, my family, my land, my faith, and no matter what one thinks or says, G-d willing, I have the right to defend myself. As far as world opinion,
I have learned many things about the world, history, and eventually one just gives up on caring what the rest of the world thinks. They either worship us crucified, gas us, assimilate us, or spend a lot of time talking about us.

I know how everyone in europe is all upset, just imagine how we feel. Hey I have an idea. I think what the entire middle east needs right now the most is for every Christian person in Europe to hold hands, hug each other, and pray for peace in the middle east, and tomorrow by sunrise I will be sharing a bagel with Nasrallah. Only, I won't disclose what I shall put in the ingredients, its a special Halal additave that causes our muslem friends to halucinate that they are in bed with several virgins.

With reference to Ian in #8 "Israel is the biggest theft in history. With ample support of the British colonialists."

Actually, the land theft that took place in Europe (Germany, Poland, the Check Republic, Austria, Russia, Romania, Slovenia, and France - to name a few countries) during and following WWII is significantly larger. I don't see any of these countries offering up the land that was stolen from the Jews in the same historic era that established modern Israel. Then, of course, there are the financial assets that were laundered and stolen by the Swiss. Denmark is the only country whose citizens protected the property (and animals) of the Jews who were forced to flee. The Danes facilitated the safe escape of their fellow counrtymen and welcomed them back after the war.

I'm not taking a side in the current conflict except to say that there are very few European nations that do not have blood on their hands in terms of the creation of modern Israel.

The bottom line is that if Israel had weapons and no other nation in the Middle East did, there would be peace. If Israel had no weapons and the other nations did, Israel and her people would be destroyed. Judaism is not an evangelical religion while Christianity and Islam are. Jews want simply to be left alone.

This entire incident was orchestrated by Iran in order to draw attention away from failed talks regarding aims to curb Iran's nuclear ambitions. The Israeli soldiers were taken on the eve of the disbandment of those talks.

Try, just for a minute to put away personal feelings of prejudice and be logical about the situation. You might also, then consider the size of Tibet (approximately five times the size of Israel) and re-evaluate your statement regarding (post WWII) land theft.

to RAM, I concur. I have several muslim, Kurdish, and Druze friends from Lebanon who despise Hizbollah. While they are not fond of Israel either, especially for land-grab tactics, they partly understand the need for Israel's security defense. They also argue that their nation will always be unstable as long as Hizbollah remains or as long as the Shia stronghold tries to gain control over the entire country and turn it into an Irani regime. Lebanese are great people and like Israel, they need a break too. Maybe when this war dies down, I can go skiing there in the winter again. The only place where one can get Arak spritzers, coffee, absynthe, and sheesha at the same time while sitting on a cold mountain top.

Erin, precisely.

An allied conventional force, regardless of technology and state of the arts weapons, is at a tremendous disadvantage when facing worldwide terrorism. An indisputable example is the situation now unfolding between Israel and the terrorist group Hezbollah. Israel forces are by far larger and superior to Hezbollah, including a magnificent air force. However now going into 4 weeks of constant engagement and fierce bombardment they seem to be quite ineffective in eliminating the threat expeditiously and without a large number of civilian casualties. The results of Israel’s response, although perhaps totally justified, has brought about criticism from most of the civilized world justifiably so.

Terrorist organizations have intelligently developed tactics to overcome and defeat conventional forces and have to a great extent succeeded. Guerrilla Fighting along with using the civilian population’s infrastructure and a worldwide “ghost network” among other tools such as funding etc. creates a tremendous if not unsolvable problem for a conventional war & intelligence machine. The results experienced beginning with the invasion of Afghanistan to the present conflict of Israel and Hezbollah should be enough to rethink the strategy.

The Viet-Nam experience should be a lesson not to forget, basically all US military might was totally incapable of defeating the communist strategy along with their Guerilla Tactics resulting in a complete military disaster for the US with an incredible cost of lives on both sides. That was almost 50 years ago, now terrorism which by nature is closely associated with and supported by communist and leftist regimes has mutated into a “deadly well hidden virus” with no vaccine at hand and the military solution alone will never kill the virus without killing the host, meaning the annihilation of the population of the Middle East.

There is no easy solution or formula to winning the war against terrorism. One thing is f

Part !
Subject: An Open Letter To The World
By: Rabbi Meir Kahane, May 1989

Dear World, I understand that you are upset by us, here in Israel.

Indeed, it appears that you are quite upset, even angry. (Outraged?)

Indeed, every few years you seem to become upset by us. Today, it is the "brutal repression of the Palestinians"; yesterday it was Lebanon; before that it was the bombing of the nuclear reactor in
Baghdad and the Yom Kippur War and the Sinai campaign. It appears that Jews who triumph and who, therefore, live, upset you most
extraordinarily.

Of course, dear world, long before there was an Israel, we - the Jewish people - upset you.

We upset a German people who elected Hitler and upset an Austrian people who cheered his entry into Vienna and we upset a whole slew of Slavic nations - Poles, Slovaks, Lithuanians, Ukrainians, Russians, Hungarians and Romanians. And we go back a long, long way in the history of world upset.

We upset the Cossacks of Chmielnicki who massacred tens of thousands of us in 1648-49; we upset the Crusaders who, on their way to liberate the Holy Land, were so upset at Jews that they slaughtered untold numbers of us.

For centuries, we upset a Roman Catholic Church that did its best to define our relationship through inquisitions, and we upset the arch- enemy of the church, Martin Luther, who, in his call to burn the
synagogues and the Jews within them, showed an admirable Christian ecumenical spirit.

And it is because we became so upset over upsetting you, dear world ,that we decided to leave you - in a manner of speaking - and establish a Jewish state. The reasoning was that living in close
contact with you, as resident-strangers in the various countries that comprise you, we upset you, irritate you and disturb you. What better notion, then, than to leave you (and thus love you)- and have y

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In 1920 and 1921 and 1929, there were no territories of 1967 to impede peace between Jews and Arabs. Indeed, there was no Jewish State to upset anybody Nevertheless, the same oppressed and repressed Palestinians slaughtered tens of Jews in Jerusalem, Jaffa, Safed and Hebron.Indeed, Jews were slaughtered in one day in Hebron
in 1929.

Dear world, why did the Arabs - the Palestinians - massacre 67 Jews in one day in 1929? Could it have been their anger over Israeli aggression in 1967? And why were 510 Jewish men, women and children slaughtered in Arab riots between 1936-39? Was it because Arabs were upset over 1967?

And when you, dear world, proposed a UN Partition Plan in 1947 that would have created a "Palestinian State" alongside a tiny Israel and the Arabs cried "no" and went to war and killed 6,000 Jews -
was that "upset" caused by the aggression of 1967? And, by the way, dear world, why did we not hear your cry of "upset" then?

The poor Palestinians who today kill Jews with explosives and firebombs and stones are part of the same people who - when they had all the territories they now demand be given to them for their
state -attempted to drive the Jewish state into the sea. The same twisted faces, the same hate, the same cry of "itbach-al-yahud" (Massacre the Jew!) that we hear and see today, were seen and heard
then. The same people, the same dream - destroy Israel. What they failed to do yesterday, they dream of today, but we should not "repress" them.

Dear world, you stood by during the holocaust and you stood by in 1948 as seven states launched a war that the Arab League proudly compared to the Mongol massacres.

You stood by in 1967 as Nasser, wildly cheered by wild mobs in every Arab capital in the world, vowed to drive the Jews into the sea. And you would stand by tomorrow if Israel were facing

I would like to ask where were all (Human rights, UN, etc..) who complain about Israel now when:
1-1983 Oct 23, Beirut. Hezbollah killed 241 USA Marines, hundreds wounded. 58 French paratroopers also killed by a second bomb.
2-1992 March 17. Hezbollah bombed Israeli Embassy in Argentina. 29 Killed, 250 wounded. A Catholic church and school nearby destroyed.
3- 1994 July 18, Argentina. Hezbollah bombed the AMIA. 87 killed, 100 wounded.

And even after pulling out from Lebanon,
4- 2001 Apr 1, Haifa. 6 Hezbollah members killed a 42-year-old Israeli women.
5-2001 Aug 7, Two houses belonging to the Lebanese Army militia were blown up by Hezbollah.
6- 2003 May-July Israel, Hezbollah snipers killed 3 Israeli soldiers.
7- 2004 June 11–19, Riyadh, Kidnapped and killed 2 Americans and a BBC cameraman,
8-2005 Jun 29, Israel. 20 mortars fired by Hezbollah. 1 Israel soldier killed, 4 wounded

You can clearly see that Hezbolla do not care neither about peace, Lebanese people, fellow mulsim. They just care about their own terrorist agenda.

Sharing - The only way out!
Help is needed – and offered
by the Master —, through Benjamin Creme, 16 July 2006

It will soon become clear that without help men have but little time to rectify the problems, ecological, political and economic which cause chaos, danger and heartache to the majority of Earth’s people. It is a situation unique in Earth’s history. Much depends on men realizing that they have, as custodians, the responsibility to tend carefully the well-being of the planet and all its kingdoms, and to pass on a vibrant, healthy planetary home to future generations. So unhealthy has the planet become from man’s predatory action and cavalier neglect, that, were it human, grave doubts of its recovery would be in order. The home of man and the lower kingdoms must be nursed back to health to fulfil its role in the evolving Plan.
Chaos reigns, likewise, in the political sphere. The nations are led by groups dedicated to the past, unable to see that their methods apply no longer to the needs of today and tomorrow. Blindfolded and arrogant, they strut the stage of life like out-of-date actors, unsure of their direction or their lines. The door marked EXIT looms large for these destructive usurpers of power.

The economic and social spheres are the saddest of all. While the world’s wealth flows into fewer and fewer hands, countless millions beg for the minimum to survive. Millions are too weak to beg, and die, forlorn, before they have tasted life. What can men do to rectify these sad and dangerous conditions? To whom can they turn for help in their agony?
There is but one source of help for men in their extreme need. That help is theirs for the asking. We, your Elder Brothers, seek only your welfare and happiness, and are ready to aid you and to point the way to a better future for all.
We see all men as One, brothers and sisters of one great family. Men need, likewise, to banish from their hearts the sense of separation, and

The dead peasants in Lebanon mean no more to Olmert, or Bush, than do the dead Jews or dead U.S. troops piling up.

You must remember that the peasants are merely tools to be used by the political class of the world. And, to the extent you allow yourself to fall under the spell of such people as Blair, Ahmadinejad, Castro, etc. you are, yourself, merely livestock for their games.

Mike

My dear friend, only G-d Himself understands true indifference between men. As lesser beings we will never understand true indifference, hences war, predujice, hate, etc. Instead we become indifferent to pain and suffering, neither moved, upset, or sympathetic to it. We become complacent with the above only on Judgement Day. The sheep shall lie with wolves. Interesting enough, in history, where there are millions of wolves, a few sheep have always managed to survive.

I had begun to feel kind of down because of all the anti-Israel and anti-USA sentiment that I see posted on the Scotsman almost in every news article on which comments are allowed to be made.

But then, I saw on various news websites that Reuters News Service had pulled one of its photographs showing bomb damage to Beirut, because the photo had been "doctored." It was showing greater damage and more smoke than the original photo. The articles said that more photos were being examined and the reporter/photographer had been suspended pending further investigation.

Lo, and behold, ANOTHER Reuters employee has been suspended for making death threats against the owner of a blog-site. The blog often posts items favorable to Israel (why should this matter to a news organization?), and also posts articles conterning jihadist terrorists. The death threat was made from a Reuters-connected e-mail account, had has been connected to a man named Inayat Bunglawala, who is Media Secretary of the Muslim Council of Britain. Mister B has denied any connection with the death threat although circumstantial evidence strongly suggests differently. He attributes it to Zionists (ha!)

Guess what? Reuters News Service is the source of many news stories that appear in the Scotsman.

So...instead of feeling bad about the anti-Israeli and anti-American sentiment, I'm wondering if any of the contributors are connected with the Muslim Council of Britain, or if there are any Reuters employees who post in that vein?

I gather from many of the comments posted by those who decry Israel's reaction to members of Hizbollah crossing into Israel for the express purpose of killing and kidnaping people, that they would make them welcome in their own countries.

If that is indeed the case, I would suggest that everyone who truly favors the cause of Hizbollah sponsor as many members of that organization as they can and invite them to become their neighbors. They should even elect them into office.

Of course with people like that living next door you would need to get used to the fact that they demand the right to remain heavily armed and feel perfectly justified in bombing, shelling and murdering everyone that doesn’t agree with them.

Let us also not forget all the violence and threats against those who say or does anything that Islamic extremists find unacceptable, i.e. offensive cartoons, failure to grow facial hair etc.
Evidently, surrendering the right to worship, dress, think or say what you please, is an acceptable cost for doing the right thing.

When some of your neighbors get tired of being the victims of all the violence, censorship and denial of basic civil rights, you too like the peace loving Lebanese can refuse to make any effort to control them. Then you will bask in your status as another victim of Zionist aggression.

After all why should anyone expect any “sovereign” country like Lebanon to control those operating within its borders. How can Lebanon be held responsible for acts of war carried out from within its own borders? How can Lebanon be expected to be responsible for policing the same international borders that it demands be respected by Israel?

What right does any country, or any person have to protection from people residing in a neighboring country? What is wrong with the Israelis? They actually expect Lebanon to exert some control over its own residents and forbid them from stockpiling and attacking it with rockets an

Ladies and gentlemen: There is a nonviolent and permanent solution to the crises in the Middle East. The solution is, fortunately, the only one that will work. Violence, inspite of its popularity and its exciting "sweet-revenge" features, has totally failed and will continue to fail.

Violence can NO longer solve any serious human problem. If it could, Iraq, Afghanistan, Sri Lanka, Sudan, and the Middle East, will be at peace. And they are not.

Just know that under unchangeable Natural Law, whenever any person kills another human being intentionally, it is MURDER. And the repercursions on the murderer are heavy and inescapable. The inevitable punishment comes from the Highest Authority, which plays no politics and cares nothing about partisan opinions.

Every intentional killing is still murder whether the murderer is a soldier, a police officer, or a freedom fighter. Of course, an accidental killing is an accident...

For more information on the solution, please see www.wemsa.net.

I enjoy reading all the posts.

I am an American. I have never been to the areas of the conflict.

While I appreciate all of the posts I think it's easy for some to spout off religious sayings, quotes, and passages. But that doesn't solve a thing. Nor will it.

I see lot's of posts that are anti-US. While I understand these - Americans can be arrogant. I'm not proud of that, but I don;t go around in my country screaming that those I don't see eye-to-eye with be stoned in the name of God.

I support the Israeli's and the Palestinian's. I can see both sides - good and bad. I can see Hezbollah's point - but I do not agree with it.

If people do not like the US support for one side or another - for whatever reason then maybe the US should stand back, let Israel slug it out and end up the winner. Because that's what will happen. Hey people - wake up. This sort of conflict has been going on for how many centuries now?? More people have suffered and died for religious causes professed to be the "right" religion than all other conflicts together. i don't like it, I don;t condone it, but I can accept it.

How would the world be if the US pulled back and let things go as they may. I kind of like that idea....

I wish to god the left wing drones and our media would leave Isreal alone and let it get on with things. For the past 50 years the Arab nations in the region have made it known that they despise Isreal, with perhaps the exception of Egypt they would have every Jew in the area massacred.

The current scenario was created in part due to this hatred as Lebanon agreed to ensure southern Lebanon remained Hizbollah free in 2000 when Israeli forces withdrew. They didnt stick to their word and allowed Hizbollah to terrorise Israel from the south, they allowed this because the majority of the Lebanese population is Arab Muslim and thus the majority of the population wants Israel wiped off the map.

The people who do get killed (after Israel warns them to leave certain areas of settlements in Lebanon) are the same people who throw a party every time a suicide bomber blows himself up in a busy street in Tel Aviv. The people who do get killed are the people who welcome Hizollah into their neighbour hoods with welcome arms and vote for them in their elections. They are also the people who make up grossly exagerrated death figures to make Israel appear like death himself (look at the news today, the villagers of Houla said 40 people had been killed after an Israeli airstrike when in fact 1 person had been killed)

So what i am trying to say is be fair, it upsets me that people are dieing on both sides. However we must remember who is firing rockets into Israel with the intention of killing innocent people, we must remember who continiously kidnaps Israeli soldiers and ueses them and their corpes as negotiation tools and we must also remember most Lebanese are moderate to staunch supporters of Hizbollah and have thus contributed to the situation they find themselves in.

You Jews make me laugh.

First your have the only religion in the world that is racist, (you can't be a Jew unless your mother is a Jew). Thats why you are not an evangelist religion, you see yourselves as racially superior. In what other circumstance can someone discriminate on grounds of race and not be called racist.

Then you call anyone who disagrees with you anti Semetic. People CAN disagree with Israeli politics without being anti Semetic. Are the Jews in Israel who disagree with its government politics anti semetics?

Is it anti Semetic to disagree with the theft of land, displacement of people, targeted murder of anyone you dislike, including the US milirary in 1967 (USS Liberty), internment of Palestinians without charge. If thats what being a Jew is then I am an anti Semetic. But I thought Jesus said turn the other cheek. He didn't say steal from thy neighbour and kill him if he complains. The fact of the matter is, that the people in Israeli government or no more Jewish than the likes of Bin Laden is Muslim. The majority of people in Israel are just too stupid or indoctrinated to believe that their current situation is largley their own doing. Anyone who chooses to live there will understandably be targetted by some Palestinians. This is as predicatable as the situatation in Iraq is.

The fact is that US politicians make billions selling arms to you to protect yourself. They have no interest in Israeli security. If they did, they would ask you to negotitate with your neighbours. I would feel like the destruction of Israel if it had done so to my country. The fact remains that Israel's neighbours WILL settle for, an end to its illegal occupation of illegal land and the return of the prisoners it holds without charge.

But that would be too radical. If the British can make peace with the IRA, Israel can do the same.

I have been traveling the world for the past 40 years. It is very difficult for me to see the differfence beteen a person from one counyry to another and also from different religions. Why can't a Sunni live in peace with a Shihite? Why can't a Muslim live in peace with a Jew or a Christian? Why can't an Irish Protestant live in peace with a Catholic? Why do we need to even mention religion? The Muslims are the only ones to go to heaven, the rest of us christians and all will rot in hell. So what! What business is theirs if we all want to go to hell? Not enough room in the furnace? What in the world is wrong with you all? Why are people in Lebanon-Israeli-Palestinian area be willing to sacrifice their children by the thousands for an acre of land? Can the frontier barriers be torn down and replaced by a Welcome sign instead of missiles and guns? I don't know who committed more atrocities than the Nazis, yet look at Europe now... no barriers!
Finally, when are you people going to grow up and see each other as human beings?

Countries,nations,etc., There can only be peace if the powers seen and unseen want it. People have to want it. If the powers that be want war and their citizens are convinced of the need to back them up, than no amount of blame, debating, opinions or threats will stop them. The results?? too many innocent peace-loving people will die!

Golda Meir, the great Israeli PM, put it perfectly when she said, “We will have peace with the Arabs when they love their children more than they hate us." There really is no better way to sum it up.

Jay (57) and Onofrio (59) you have it right!

Jim (17) - and those that supply Hezbollah with rockets and bombs - are they not terrorists as you say Washington is too?

You see - this all gets nowhere. For every argument there is a comeback. What will get us peace is when both of us say - enough tit-for-tat.

Subject: Al Jazeera TV

Here is a powerful and amazing statement on Al Jazeera television. The woman is Wafa Sultan, an Arab-American psychologist from Los Angeles. I would suggest watching it ASAP because I don't know how long the link will be active.
http://switch3.castup.net/cunet/gm.asp?ai=214&ar=1050...

#47,48. Wonderful post Reuven. As a South Asian non-arab muslim, I can say that the majority of Muslims do not wish to push you to the sea and wipe you off the map.

You have outlined the historical injustice that has been done to your minority group in mostly West and East European lands, but you have not mentioned how you have been treated in muslim lands. I believe it was mostly a refuge for you throughout history, although I am sure there have been hostilities and victims to your groups, as happens in history time to time. But muslim lands were always a refuge for you, relatively speaking.

Now, in the last 100 years or so, the muslim world finds this old friend stabbing us the in the back, with help from our colonial masters in our time of weakness and despair. It is bitter irony.

Most Palestinians agree to 1967 deal and what the muslim world would like to see is that instead of building walls and applying your arrogant policies, that as the party with more power and wisdom, you unilaterally or in discussion with the Palestinians, retreat to the 1967 situation and allow the right of return.

The problem is the mistrust both sides have developed for each other, but initiative must be taken from the stronger side.

Despite the hot talks by Ahamadinejad, which is cheered by Muslims, as we are victims now and the tall talk shows his spine - the vast majority of Muslims do not wish to see you destroyed, although you continue to inflame the Western masses with this exact same idea and try to undermine muslim interest.

No matter what the 10-15 million Jewish can or will do, 1/5th of the earths population is muslim and they will not forever remain poor and powerless and there is a distinct possibility that they will eventually grow closer to each other than they are now, out of economic necessity. At some point in time, your state and people will have to come to terms with this fact. It is better that this happens sooner with less see

Wage Peace #22, Well said Bucko, well said!

I would suggest that we drop 2 large nuclear bombs in the middle east, 1 on Iran and the second on Syria,that is the one and only way to stop these sponsors of world terror. Iran and Syria have ahatred for the west that can never be changed, it is time to rid the world once and for all of these religious terrorists.

Reuven #47 & 48, how do you a mere Israeli presume to know about the ME problem, how do you, a mere Israeli presume to be "upset"! When we in the US and UK have reliable sources like BBC, FOX, CNN, not to mention unbiased newspaper to better inform us of you, than you can. And while I'm at it, why should you try to defend yourselves? You have no right to defend yourselves or your county, just ask around, you'll see. By the way Rueven, I have a used auto, only driven by a little old lady, and then just to the grocer, and a one time offer, half off to a most famous bridge in London, if you interestered. am Yisrael Chai!

Attn: Rob in comment 24 and 26

Here's a video for you...

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-50603569004825...

How about this one:

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-16338205980370...

My point is that anyone can produce videos and inflame passions but few can actually cut through the propaganda and get to the point.

My point is:

The text of the United Nations Security Council, Resolution 242 passed on Nov. 11 1967 says:

"Withdrawal of Israeli armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict;"

It then says:

"Termination of all claims or states of belligerency and respect for and acknowledgement of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries"

Now, it is true that Israel honored 242 along with Egypt through the Camp David accords and in giving up the Sinai, Israel now lives in peace with Egypt which in return recognized Israel as 242 requires.

It is also true that Israel attempted to do this with the Palestinians through the 1993 Oslo accords but Arafat rejected the offer at Camp David in 2000 and decided to wage war instead. The results of that war are displayed in the videos you posted. Conveniently they leave out the pictures of all the homicide bombings and dead Israeli women and children but propaganda is usually one-sided. That is why it’s called propaganda.

Ultimately Israel withdrew from Gaza in 2005 without the recognition from the Palestinians or other Arab states as is required in UN Resolution 242.

What has the withdrawal from Gaza in an attempt to honor 242 gotten Israel? More war

Syria already sponsor terror, so there's nothing new.

Syria would have no chance if they entered the conflict. Remember the 1967 war. Israel has experience.

Stan #58

"If the British can make peace with the IRA, Israel can do the same."

The IRA's did not want to wipe the United Kingdom of the face of the map, nor were they totally warped by their religious doctrine. Israel finding peace with the Arab world is completely different and to behonest i doubt it is possible.

Peace will only be found when Islam produces some theologists and forward thinking people who can change the mentality of many of its many followers who refuse to live in peace with their neighbours. Look at Chechnya the Phillipines, Thailand, Kashmir, Sudan, the Middle East and even Cyprus and you will see a muslim majority or minority that refuses to co-exist with their non muslim (or in the case of Sudan non arabic) neighbours.

To quote a former Israeli Prime minister (though i cannot remember which one)

"When the arabs lay down their weapons there will be peace, when Israel lays down her weapons, there will be no Israel"

Your views on the Jews are a little far fetched too, the Jews did not steal the land that Israel now stands on. They were expelled from it by the Romans in 135 and the few who remained were forced out over the years (a large number of those left being expelled or killed during the militant rise of Islam around the 7th century).

Thus we Europeans (and yes you Americans too as your descendants are European after all) and the muslims kicked them out of the only area of the world that the Jews called home thus allowing them to be persecuted due to them being spread so thinly all over Europe.

So the Jews technically reclaimed their land, they did not steal or invade it! As for the Palestinians, why dont any of the other Arab nations in the region allow them to resettle in their countries? Why dont the Palestinians integrate and accept the Jews? After all their children would be better off living in a well off democracy that can offer well paid jobs and a deacent standa

Jay, Arabs have accepted Jews. This evidenced by the coming together of Jews, Muslims and Christians in Lebanon against Israels bombardment of civilians. According to a report here on Friday some 60% of Lebanon's Christians and many Jews now support Hezbollah's resistance against Israeli's actions. Apparently there is also a significant minority of Iran's population who are Jewish, are even represented in the Iranian parliament and have refused Israeli offers of resettlement, i.e. they are happy there! There is no doubt that Israel are responsible for horrendous war crimes. Maybe that's why Hezbollah are still firing rockets into Israel. Bombing schools, farms and hospitals wont stop the rockets.

Bush and Blair have once again shamed our nations.

Hiroshima

What is behind this, mainly, is that Israel needs water and wants access to Lebanon's Litani river. When all is said and done, they will not stop until they can divert water to Israel.
I heard one honest Israeli man , who was refusing to leave the West Bank state People have always fought for land and I will fight for my land. What underlies most of the world's problems is TOO MANY PEOPLE. If the world population continutes to grow there will be more and more wars for less and less resources.

#67 Steve, we muslims have been very happy to see the likes of GWB and the neocons, and we would be happy to see the likes of you drop your bombs, as this will establish the Caliphate in not 100 years, but 100 days after you drop the bombs. Welcome.

#71 Jay, If Israel is Jewish land, then USA is Red-indian land, and California is still Mehican land, a lot of rent is past due, hey Gringo, pay up. By the way, Muslims did not persecute or kick out Jews from Judea, it was the Romans, as Reuven says in #47 or is it Rabbi Meir Kahane.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_history

"Jews were frequently massacred and exiled from various European countries. The persecution hit its first peak during the Crusades. In the First Crusade (1096) flourishing communities on the Rhine and the Danube were utterly destroyed; see German Crusade, 1096. In the Second Crusade (1147) the Jews in France were subject to frequent massacres. The Jews were also subjected to attacks by the Shepherds' Crusades of 1251 and 1320. The Crusades were followed by explusions, including in, 1290, the banishing of all English Jews; in 1396, 100,000 Jews were expelled from France; and, in 1421 thousands were expelled from Austria. Many of the expelled Jews fled to Poland.

The worst of the expulsions occurred following the reconquest of Muslim Spain, which was followed by Spanish Inquisition in 1492, when the entire Spanish population of around 200,000 Sephardic Jews were expelled. This was followed by expulsions in 1493 in Sicily (37,000 Jews) and Portugal in 1496. The expelled Spanish Jews fled mainly to the Ottoman Empire, Holland, and North Africa, others migrating to Southern Europe and the Middle East.

In the 17th century, almost no Jews lived in Western Europe. The relatively tolerant Poland had the largest Jewish population in Europe, but the calm situation for the Jews there ended when Polish

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Musli...

"They sometimes attained high positions in government, notably as viziers and physicians. Jewish communities, like Christian ones, were typically constituted as semi-autonomous entities managed by their own laws and leadership, who carried the responsibility for the community towards the Muslim rulers. The treatment of Jews in Muslim lands was generally (though not always) better than that in Europe. As a result, many Jews sought refuge in the Middle East and North Africa from persecution in Europe."

Israel occupies stolen land, and 700,000 arabs were expelled to achieve the state of Israel.
Israel occupies stolen land--the West Bank, the Shebaa farms, the Golan Heights, east Jerusalem.
Israel has taken control of the largest aquifer in the area (in the West Bank) and pumps the water off to Israel proper.

The Israel Experiment has been a flop. Pull the plug on it and ship off all the Israelis to the USA where they will be loved and well received.

I have attempted to present a means to end the conflict, but it never gets posted. If Israel would go to the UN and present the statement:

To all countries and groups that would attack Israel.... Hiroshima.

That would end the conflict... one way or the other.

This web site does not care for the truth. It only posts comments against Israel. I think Israel should nuke their sorry ass.

What all the Israel bashers here seem to overlook is that the aggression started at the establishment of Israel in 1948, when they were attacked by every single neighbor. When Hamas, Hezbollah or the Palestinian Authority refer to the "occupied land" they want Israel to vacate, they mean all of it...including the pre-1967 war Israel. Talk about how "if only the Israelis would give back the Golan Heights, the West Bank or East Jerusalem there could be peace" is pure nonsense. The Israelis HAVE been giving it back, but that didn't stop Hamas or Hesbollah from launching attacks on Israel.

Arguing about whether or not Israel should exist is useless polemics. Israel DOES exist and is a member of the United Nations. Calling for the elimination of United Nations member state, you might as well call for the dissolution of the United Nations. Not that it is all that effective anyway. Paper resolutions aren't worth a thing if nations don't put soldiers in harm's way to enforce them.

It is a little clearer following statements by Syrian and Iranian leadership that this bloodshed was what they wanted all along. No one should be rejoicing in the death of anyone, yet who is rejoicing? Syria, Iran and Hezbollah...cheered on by their misguided allies in Europe.

To Rueven. #47 & 48; In spite of all of the evidence you so clearly provide, the extremists amongst the Jews still have not learned to live peacefully with ANYONE, Why NOT? This confrontation has led me to believe that Israels' arrogant position is a danger to the whole world!

you make me laugh john, if you are a white american you are being used by israel to do their dirty war like in iraq and others, do you see jews alongside the american soldiers..lol, and your information above is incorrect, no on liked the jews being there but they didn't kill them first.so you are saying that it is o.k to kill women and children you jerk ?, is it o.k to treat palestinians like dogs ? israel thinks it's strong but they rely heavily on firing from afar because they know they can't win street battles, if israel can be supplied weapons by america why can't hezbollah be supplied by iran and syria in which they get them from china and russia, so why not accuse russia and china of supplying hezbollah.and about the u.n, israel is in the but what of alot of arab nations ?israel is sitting in an arab region it does not belong there and if it was to be shifted into europe i would gaurantee they would be fighting with their neighbours, they are trouble makers. if your so blind as to see what is really happening here i will tell you, israel is bring kaos to the arab nation, israel is like the nazi's as they are doing exactly the same thing here, i will fight, but for the innocent killings of women and children not for religion, weapons of mass destruction ? well what the hell do you call an atom bomb? while america is against WMD it as plenty of them and so do the jews. the syrians are at least taking care of all the refugees that reside in lebanon do YOU see any other country doing that ?israel thinks it's tough by buzzing over damascus like the syrians were scared...lmao, syria knew they were coming( they have radars too)and if they wanted to start a war they would have sent 10 missiles which would have taken out that jet, now israel killed so many innocent fruit pickers which were of syrain nationals why can't they protect their people, what ? the syrians can't do what the jews did when the soldiers were kidnappend? anyone here i find that supports israel

russ, give it up, were you alive way before that time ?, and as to you saying jews were there before the arabs..lol, where did the arabs come from ? you make me laugh, the arabs where there many years before the jews got there, what are jews doing stuck right in the middle of nothing but arab nations ? your whole comment is a sham. i think logically and have an i.q over 190, i speak plainly for those that can't read 100%, i think about human lives, i think about peace, i have children and a wife, do you ?politicians can say what they want, the media can report what it wants, the damn generals can say what they want, but I CAN READ BETWEEN THE LINES, i see what is happening as it unfolds, can you ?.

On november 2nd.1917,Britain's Foreign secretary,Arthur Balfour sent the following letter to Walter Lord Rothschild,representative of the English Federation of Zionists:

"Dear Lord Rothschild,I have much pleasure in conveying to you,on behalf of His Majesty's Government,the following declaration of sympathy with Jewish Zionist aspirations which has been submitted to,and approved by,the Cabinet:'His Majesty's Government view with favor the establishment in Palistine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endevours for the acheivement of this object,it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palistine,or the rights and political status enjoyed by jews in any other country.I should be grateful if you would bring this declaration to the knowledge of the Zionist Federation. Yours Sincerely, Arthur James Balfour". Taken from "A Century of War by F.William Engdahl"

This could be a good starting point for anyone wishing to lay blame for the on-going conflict.If you keep looking at the conflict itself I doubt you'll find the truth.

Khilji. You talk out of your bum! I am assuming you are Muslim and hence you cannot accept criticism of your religion like most other muslims. If the Muslims never persecuted or exiled the Jews then can you explain the massacre of an entire Jewish tribe in Medina 1300 years ago??

Go here and learn http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banu_Qurayza

Lets not forget back on those day the followers of Islam had declared a Jihad on everybody in the middle east who was not muslim. Things like this were not uncommon and Hindus in the region were persecuted and exiled too, a mountain range in the Pakistan/Iran area is called the Hindu Kush which translates to Hindu slaughter in persian. (though when i try to add this event in Wilkipedia it keeps getting deleted which i think is sick denial of History) It is called so because two Hindu kingdoms were conquered and the population sold/masacred and converted too. Go here and learn http://www.rediff.com/news/2003/oct/21franc.htm

So please do not try to sell this 'Islam is in the name of peace crap' to me

Why go to all the effort to tell me what the Europeans did to the Jews?? Didnt i say i was aware of what we European did to them? Are you trying to attention away from the real issues here? Oh, and with regards to America i agree for the most part, however that is a different issue

Seon you are dillusional, a minority of Jews and Arabs have come together to condemn the UNINTENTIONAL bombardment of civilians. The Jews who support Hizbollah are obviously stupid i.e ultra left and do not live in Israel and have to put up with missiles INTENTIONALLY dropping on their heads. 60% of Christian Arabs support Hizbollah because the Lebanese and pan Arabic media is pro Hizbollah. This figure may be made up propoanda too

You call Hizbollah 'resistors'. It should be

Jenni,
Well, I guess you could start with the history books to learn how the Middle East truly functions, and perhaps after a few years of steady learning you will then begin to understand that in fact it is Israel who is the underdog here. Up against the rest of the Middle East, they are vastly outnumbered, but as an incentive, they get to keep their lives and their country by fighting harder and always winning, because if they loose one war, they cease to exist as a country. Not nice. Can you then imagine all the Politically Correct Muslims and Persians in that delightful little spot coming to terms at a bargaining table, when it comes to those big bad Jews? Surely you jest? So you see the little problem here, and while it is always preferable to go along to get along, I'm afraid not this time, or the next time either, could I possibly side with the likes of such thugs as Hizbollah, Hamas or the PLO. Best Wishes, Jenni.
PS Read up on the 6 Day War, brilliant.

Dear Rabbi Meir Kahane, 1989, Since you are representing the Jewish race. Your words! -- Dear World,. You stood by in 1967 as Nasser, wildly cheered by wild mobs in every Arab capital in the world. Of course Dear World, Long before there was an Isreal, we-the Jewish people upset you. "Hmm, I wonder why"?? Could it possibly be because that you dear Jews ! stood by and cheered ,and screamed out for the blood of JESUS!!!!!! to be crucified!! Oh dear Jews. This is one of the reasons why you upset the world before there was an Isreal. Oh and Dear Jews! what about the time during the "Irish potatoe famine." When you took little Irish children and uprooted them from their Poor suffering families . and told them not to bring their little prayer books or rosary beads ,and you forbid them to pray .Remember, the ships that you bought, and shipped these poor terrified children off to the plantation fields and most of these children worked in the plantation fields until they dropped dead, or starved to death.. And the married Irish couples that were also shipped out to these Work horse fields ,and were separated so that they may not have any children. Dear Jewish people.!!! perhaps this is a couple of reasons why The Dear World. is upset with you. However it seems that the world is more forgiving, If only why you could follow our example.And stop being so Bloody greedy, and narcissist. Best regards to "R M H. "

You my friend Nancy are a moron!!!! I have a funny feeling that you are one of those weird fundamental Christians who regulary beat up their childrens teachers for teaching the theory of evolution. If my hunch is right you are as bad as the ultra lefties and fundamental/naive muslims out there

The Irish being worked to death by Jews?? Where exactly did you get this stuff of fantasy from?? Authority?? Are you this hostile towards the descendants of the white Americans who for fact worked many black Americans to death in the plantations? If so then you should be angry towards yourself and give yourself a slap in the face, or preferably remoe your fingers so we never have to put up with your garble again. Also while it was the Jews who technically insisted on Jesus being put to death, it was the Romans who put him on a cross and cricified him so they technically killed him too. Thus you should go on a crusade against the Italians starting with your local Pizzaiera!

There is also a difference between constructive criticism and anti-semitism and/or racism. You appear to be in the latter as what you have said seems to be more like a racist rant than dialogue

Jay, so you don't like the way I talk.

The matter of Banu Qurayza is well known historical fact, there is no reason to deny it, this does not do anything to wipe out 1300 years of goodwill and friendship between Jews and Muslims, before Zionism started.

The Zionists were short-sighted, they still are. Not all Jewish people are zionists and many do not support Israeli policy.

About Hindus, mine as well as the ancestor of 500 million muslims of South Asia have Hindu ancestors. Also, the Indonesians and Malaysians were former Hindus. Many non-brahmin Hindu's today secretly support the muslims over their brahmin over-lords. If the Europeans did not come on the scene, undivided India would be majority muslim. Hindu's are blood brothers of muslims, as more than half of all muslims in the world are former Hindus of South and Southeast Asia. It is sad that the brahmins have been brainwashed by the Brits, but some day they will come to their senses. Gandhi, a non-brahmin, had the right idea:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khilafat_Movement

"The Ali brothers then made a strategic alliance. They convinced Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi to join a Hindu-Muslim alliance for self-rule (Indian Independence, or Swaraj). Gandhi's followers would support the Khilafat Movement if the Muslims would support Gandhi's efforts for swaraj. Gandhi became a member of the Central Khilafat Committee and at the Nagpur session (1920) of the Indian National Congress Gandhi proposed a non-cooperation campaign, of non-violent satyagraha, in support of swaraj and khilafat."

The mongols who slaughtered Muslims of central asia and Baghdad, later became our muslim brothers. Forgive and forget is human nature.

Muslims and Hindus of India learned to co-exist and prosper, till the Brits came into the picture.

Give it a little time and the colored glasses that were given to us, w

IDF & IAF (under orders) have acted in a shameful manner this time round, with almost 1,000 innocents dead. Israeli media have also omitted the location of the "capture" of IDF personnel: on foreign soil. That makes them POW`s, not boyscouts. Secular Israel has isolated itself from humanity on all counts. Personally I`m clinging to a vision of Bush Co. (the lot of them), Blair Co., and Olmert Co., all shuffling past the cell where Milosovic spent his last night, with very large Dutch escorts taking them to their respective lamp-posts where they receive the same treatment that Mussolini received! ALL of this loss, this suffering of our fellow sisters and brothers could have been prevented by cooler heads all round. Holy Land? Chosen people of G`d? Shame on Israel!

Looks like we got a bunch of ignorant liberal whinebags responding to this thread... Little do they know that the world gave Israel that land and signed for it. That's right, THE WORLD. Little do the liberal whinebags know, or do know rather, is that Hizbullah hides behind civilians. I see plenty of morons complaining about casualties as a result of Israel's aggression but it's a double-standard that's as plain as day when they remain ignorant to the fact that Hizbullah uses baby carriages and innocent lives as shields.

If civilians get killed, it's a damn shame but you can't say they haven't had fair warning - especially when Israel decides to give entire city blocks courteous phonecalls to get the hell out of the neighborhood before a bombing - TWICE. If they don't, it's their own ignorance that seals their fate. War is ugly, war is not indiscriminate... Yet, liberals remain stupified, exploit it for more votes, or both..

You've two nutcases running both the countries of Syria and Iran, who claim GENOCIDE (of Jews) is the only way for middle-east peace, and yet you morons forge ahead and continue trolling for Israel's defeat? If half you complacent morons sitting on your fat arse at home had your country being shelled with over 200 missles/rockets/drones per day I bet you wouldn't stand for it either.

But hey, what do I know... Lets just take the popular bandwagon liberal route and blame Bush for everything - including the small "private part" you have down south to make up for via some of the asinine responding statements & comments typed out above.

I thought all the idiots were in the USA!! Why does anyone think you can negotiate with terrorist orgs? Do the Brits not remember Chamberlain and Hitler? Apeasement of extremists only emboldens them. You can only negotiate with Resonable people who hold some of the same basic principles of civilization, etc.

i am laughing my butt off mauramia, israel the underdog? israel fighting for it's life?hezbollah is a terrorist?, israel is not an underdog it is being supplied with the best weapons the world can have, funded by america which is run by jews, next>> fighting for it's life? i would say so seeing as you won all the wars with the complete co-operation and all the satelite access you from america ( again run by jews) how can you not win. you call hezbollah terrorists ? look at israel, you can see everything from the satellite but funny how you are killing civillians, how do i know ? from all the information i see on t.v, and what do i see? nothing but women and kids and the men too,but wait these men don't have guns next to them so that leads me logically to one thing, israel is killing what will be, kill the young so there is no hatred to israel, kill the mothers so they can't breed more arabs, kill the men so they can't fight, but guess what? i am an aussie with kids and i am coming over to fight the jews for righteousness, not for religion but for the innocent killed. israel cannot in any form or shape beat hezbollah or any other nationality in a street fight, you have now made it my war and dragged me into it. all i know is there are good and bad in all nationalities and i have been taught that, i hate the zionists, i hate the fanatical muslims, i hate the fanatical christians too and chuck in the odd hindu, but i love all the smart ones that know what is right and what is wrong and can see it and not be blinded by politicians and the media, can you guess which religion i am people?, because my religion taught me all this correct thinking,understanding,loving,forgiveness, patience ,sharing and friendship and i am not fanatical.

I also find it funny no one cares to think of Israel's innocent civilian casualties from the HUNDREDS of missles/rockets/drones flying over daily. Furthermore blame them for all of the world's problems, less the threats to wipe them off the map (genocide) from other countries. There's a very clear distinction with this issue: you're either with Israel and against threats of genocide or you're one of those against them (a terrorist).

Stop whining about civilian casualties when they were forewarned multiple times to get out.

Cry about those using babies to hide behind.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/744436.html

Stop whining about dead and innocent victims of Israeli action.

Cry about how Israeli innocents who die from war go unnoticed.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3286880,00.html

You're a product of media propoganda. You guys are a joke.

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/2006/08/reuters...

Part 1

Brigette Gabriel is an American-Lebanese Christian. She grew up in Lebanon. This is what she had to say in a speech she gave at Duke University:

"I'm proud and honored to stand here today as a Lebanese speaking for Israel, the only democracy in the Middle East. As someone who was raised in an Arabic country, I want to give you a glimpse into the heart of the Arabic world.

I was raised in Lebanon where I was taught that the Jews are evil, Israel is the devil, and the only time we will have peace in the Middle East is when we kill all the Jews and drive them into the sea.

When the Muslims and Palestinians declared jihad on the Christians in 1975, they started massacring the Christians city after city. I ended up living in a bomb shelter underground from age 10 to 17, without electricity, eating grass to live, and crawling under sniper bullets to a spring to get water.

It was Israel who came to help the Christians in Lebanon. My mother was wounded by a Muslim shell and was taken into an Israeli hospital for treatment. When we entered the emergency room, I was shocked at what I saw. There were hundreds of people wounded, Muslims, Palestinians, Lebanese Christians, and Israeli soldiers lying on the floor. The doctors treated everyone according to their injury. They treated my mother before they treated the Israeli soldier lying next to her. They didn't see religion, they didn't see political affiliation; they saw people in need and they helped.

For the first time in my life, I experienced a human quality that I know my culture would not have shown to their enemy. I experienced the values of the Israelis, who were able to love their enemy in their most trying moments. I spent 22 days at that hospital; those days changed my life and the way I believe information, the way I listen to the radio or to television. I realized that I was sold a fabricated lie by my government about the Jews and Israel, which was so far from real

Part 2 Brigette Gabriel

What a contrast between her—a mother looking at her deformed, 19-year-old only child and still able to love me, the enemy—and a Muslim mother who sends her son to blow himself up to smithereens just to kill a few Jews or Christians.

The difference between the Arabic world and Israel is a difference in values and character. It's barbarism versus civilization. It's democracy versus dictatorship. It's goodness versus evil.
Once upon a time, there was a special place in the lowest depths of hell for anyone who would intentionally murder a child. Now, the intentional murder of Israeli children is legitimized as Palestinian "armed struggle." However, once such behavior is legitimized against Israel, it is legitimized everywhere in the world, constrained by nothing more than the subjective belief of people who would wrap themselves in dynamite and nails for the purpose of killing children in the name of God.

Because the Palestinians have been encouraged to believe that murdering innocent Israeli civilians is a legitimate tactic for advancing their cause, the whole world now suffers from a plague of terrorism, from Nairobi to New York, from Moscow to Madrid, from Bali to Beslan.
They blame suicide bombings on the "desperation of occupation." Let me tell you the truth. The first major terror bombing committed by Arabs against the Jewish state occurred 10 weeks before Israel even became independent. On Sunday morning, February 22, 1948, in anticipation of Israel 's independence, a triple truck bomb was detonated by Arab terrorists on Ben Yehuda Street in what was then the Jewish section of Jerusalem. Fifty-four people were killed and hundreds were wounded.

Thus, it is obvious that Arab terrorism is caused not by "desperation" or "occupation", but by the VERY THOUGHT of a Jewish state.

So many times in history in the last 100 years, citizens have stood by and done nothing

pmsl THAT1GUY77, civillians can't get out why ? because israel has bombed roads, cars fleeing, airports and the rest, think next time please. and as for hezbollah using the civillians as sheilds all i hear are the relatives of those dead saying that there was no hezbollah there and the pictures of ONLY women and children in most bombed parts are telling me that there ARE no hezbollah militants there, i would love to shove all those pathetic politicians in lebanon now and i bet a trillion dollars they would be calling for a ceasefire immediately,obviously no logic in your thinking and as for those 200 missiles you say that hezbollah are firing, what about the 1000's of shells and missiles israel is firing, and as for those 2 israel soldirs kidnapped, israel has 1000's of detained palestinians and lebanese,give me any argument mister and i have an answer for anything you hit me withand none of it looks good on the american nor jewish part. we talk about what has been doen in the past but what is being done now is worse and as for syria joining hezbollah, hooray i don't know what the hell is taking them so damn long and what would you have them do? join israel..lol

Viper is certainly a wacko! But Isreal has nothing to worry about with him going to fight them since the Aussies haven't been able to win a war except against rabbits since they got to the penal colony ;-)
And since he is SOOOO righteous, he neglects to mention what the Aussies did to their own indigineous people. Why don't those folks ask the questions - if the Lebanese are told that bombing will occur in an area the women & children aren't evacuated? And why aren't the casualties including men of fighting age - only women, kids & elderly? Because the Hezbollah won't allow them to evacuate and force them to sit there to be bombed and show up on the news to get the wackos like viper and others upset. Most of the blind rage that leftist wackos feel is due to anti-semitism and anti-Americanism - fear, stupidity, and jealousy.
The only way to beat these terrorists is to fight the same way - no rules of engagement or law. Just slaughter and genocide. Then the Arabs will stop and cry some more as the victims. It is so amazing that they act like they are some big macho thugs when they are oppressing the women. But when they all gang up on Israel they get their arses kicked in a matter of days, their land taken and then they cry like babies that the little Bully they were going to wipe off the earth beat them and took their land, etc.
The Arabs are such losers and so backward - a thousand years behind the rest of the world- it is a good thing since they have so much money if they could fight or could use technology they would be a real threat. And yes American technology gives them an advantage, but the military using it must be able to use it and the Arabs can't. They are corrupt losers - where did the tens of millions of dollars for the Palestinians go? Why are they still so hopelessly poor when all that aid was sent?
The best thing that could happen is for Syria (big loser wimps) to get into the fight and for the US to come in fr

reuven look at what there doing now, to christians, muslims, lebanese jews and the rest, the time you are talking about with the jews helping christians, they did and i know they did, but for their own benefit, but you failed to mention what happened next, they deserted the christians when the syrians came in to drive all back from lebanon and they held the position for 30yrs to stop the carnage and for that period everyone got along, muslims, christians, lebanese jews and so forth thanks to the syrians as corrupt as they might be they kept the peace there. syria, iran, hezbollah a terrorist? what do you call what israel and america are doing now?

gees jeffery, you are definately pro israel as i can see, all white and black americans are the puppets of the jewish run american machine, now let me think, who is getting killed in iraq? oh yes the americans and do i see any jews there ? NO. and as for the aussies as i am one too, we have the least casualties than most countries even in ratio terms ( amount sent as to that die) , and how many aussies died in iraq? thats right all friendly fire and by who? yes the americans and our indigineous people, mmmmm let me think, not as bad as you americans did with the native indians

#67 STEVE, drop bobms on syria and iran? a hatred for the west, WRONG, i have been reading up on these and other countries, guess what? they don't hate the west they hate america and guess why? cause they were betrayed in the past and very recently, did you know that syrian intelligence helped save british and american lives agaisnt al-queeda ? no? then only because of a disagrrement between the u.s in which it wanted syria to join that they banished syria and started calling them terrorists and before you say anything iraq was an enemy of syria, so now you tell me why should syria trust america again ( and don't generalise and say the western world next time),did you know that america trained and backed iraq for a long time? as they did with al-queada? no? stop talking through your but and get facts next time.

A Call To Jews Of Moral Conscience To Stand Together And With These Jewish Organizations Opposing Israeli Apartheid Terror And Help Prevent The Next World War

From Henry Makow, PhD
8-6-6

Please copy, e-mail, re-post and distribute this as widely as possible.
Please copy and give to members of your community and Synagogue.

TRUE TORAH JEWS
http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/

NETUREI KARTA
http://www.nkusa.org/

NOT IN MY NAME
http://www.nimn.org/

JEWS NOT ZIONISTS
http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/

B'TSELEM - The Israeli Information Center for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories
http://www.btselem.org/English/index.asp

JEWISH VOICE FOR PEACE
http://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/

Take Action Now, sign up for http://www.cflweb.org/ political action alerts and contact your member of Congress.

For further political action and information see http://www.cnionline.org and http://www.endtheoccupation.org/ and http://www.palsolidarity.org/main/ and http://www.pchrgaza.org/ and http://www.voicesofpalestine.org/


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pmsl that1guy, did you not read my comment, cry for the jews dead, hell i do, why? they are innocent civillians too, but not the military cause thats the rules that were set along time ago. Stop whining about civilian casualties when they were forewarned multiple times to get out? but cry for the israel civillians? pmsl , you are definately a jew, no propaganda here sunshine, you know you have blood all over your hands don't insult peoples intelligence.

oh no- you just made my point, you racist. Even in Iraq the Aussies find ways to stay out of battle. The Jewish Americans, white Americans, black Americans, red Americans, yellow Americans there are fighting and dying in Iraq. Just as they did for Australia before. Yes USA treated the Indians deplorably, but you are the one claiming to be so superior and too smart to be controlled by the Jews.
And peter- Where did you get any idea that Syria has been any help against al-qaeda or anything in the last 40 years? And practically everyone there was an enemy of Iraq - Saudi Arabia, Iran, Kuwait, etc. If you are going to have an opinion it should be based on some actual bit of reality.
Do me a favor - Don't trust the USA ever again. Go totally on your own and see where that leaves you - speaking German, Italian, Japanese, Korean, Persian instead of Dutch, French, Spanish, English, etc.
Even though you jealously hate the US they always come the aid of the world without reservation or conditions when disaster strikes and finds the rest of you bums with your hands out. Where were you all after 9/11 or Katrina?

A rational person's letter to the Editor:

How the media have undermined sympathy for Israel

http://www.theherald.co.uk/features/67386.html

I can see no more legitimacy to the Jewish occupation of Palestine than to the Italians occupying Britain.
The Roman legions occupied Britain (with the exception of fiery Picts etc) around the same time they occupied the Medittereanian East.
Therefore for historical reasons give both areas back to the Italians.
Pax Romana.

lmao jeffery, an informed american hey, are you jewish american?, aussies have been in battle in iraq and guess what, the only ones dead were "accidently" killed by you americans, oh and you also killed some british too and you never had to come to our rescue, look up the facts, and as for that syrian thing helping america with intelligence ? again look around on the net, it was said by your colin powell..lol, you have just proved to me and anyone with an i.q your jewish or uninformed, you talk before you seek information, so get the facts first like me, thankyou!

pmsl peter, spain, good call, i can take criticism.

oh and people, look at this link and you will see what i am talking about, http://www.gulfnews.com/opinion/columns/region/10058387.html. ciao for now.

Ladies and Gentlemen,
From what I read the collective ignorance of history, and the prevailing tone of anti-Semitism, appears equally alive and appallingly well on both sides of the Atlantic, and that’s shame. It will be interesting to witness your reactions when Islamic terrorist operations commence on the ground with well coordinated strikes against multiple targets of innocent people, old men, women, little children and yes, little babies being dug out of the rubble throughout Scotland and the United Kingdom on a daily basis. All Islam will rejoice! These wanton savages will have no more remorse killing your women and children than they do detonating a truck bomb in a Baghdad wedding party or bombing buses and tube trains in London. How quick we forget.

Sixty-one years ago on 6 August 1945 and again on 9 August 1945 two atomic bombs exploded in the morning skies over Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The second one got their undivided attention! The Japs quit! The killing ended, World War II was over, we won, and my father and uncles lived to rear families and I was privileged to meet brothers. a sisters and cousins who would otherwise have never existed had we not used those two nuclear weapons. Moreover, their use spared the lives of an estimated million-and-a-half American fighting men, including my father, a Navy pilot, who composed the body of the main invasion force, and interestingly some 100 million Japanese live today because of those weapons; more pointedly though, the Japanese have never returned to Pearl Harbor with hostile intent. Isn’t it astonishing how the absolute destruction of a vicious enemy preserves life over the long term?

Honestly, I hate to say this, but every day that passes I am more and more convinced that the sooner Islam commences ground terror operations here in the United States the sooner it will be over. Two hundred million armed and pissed off Americans are not going to put up with more than about two second of Isla

Throughout time we have had prophets & teachers - Hercules, Rama, Sankaracharya, Krishna, Buddha, Mohammed and the Christ. Each has given a body of teaching with a central and common theme: right human relations. For example:
Christianity: "... All things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them..."

Buddhism: "In five ways should a clansman minister to his friends and familiars ? by generosity, courtesy and benevolence, by treating them as he treats himself, and by being as good as his word."

Hinduism: "Do not to others, which if done to thee, would cause thee pain."

Islam: "No one of you is a believer until he loves for his brother what he loves for himself."

Judaism: "What is hurtful to yourself, do not to your fellow man."

Taoism: "Regard your neighbor's gain as your own gain and regard your neighbor's loss as your own loss."

From such simple teachings, people have historically constructed complex dogma and ritual, willing to kill and be killed in the name of their ideology. Such religious intolerance has been, and continues to be, the basis for much of the discord and suffering in the world. When men and women of every faith come to understand that they share a common spiritual legacy, as children of one Father ? by whatever name their tradition chooses to call Him ? a new era of brotherhood and peace will begin.

Semetic countries include, Mauritania, Western Sahara,Morocco, Algeria,Tunisia, Lybia,Egypt,Sudan,Eritrea,Ethiopia,Oman,United Arab Emerates,Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Iraq, Syria,Turkey,Lebenan,Isreal,Jordan,Kuwait,Bahran,And And Qatar.
So, what does it really mean to be Anti-Semetic?

'It is not simply that Ariel Sharon and company are a bunch of hypocrites or political amnesiacs about the past. More importantly, the Irgun, led by Menachem Begin, the Stern Group and Lehi, its successor, went on to form the Herut party, forerunner of the Likud party, and the ultra right-wing Moledet party, which form the main coalition partners of Sharon's government."

Doeas anyone know who those groups are in the above mentioned paragraph, one guess, correct! The guy in the back who said Isreali terrorist groups, formed as freedumb fighters. So, if you are Jewish, and want freedumb all you have to do is start using terruh and you will get whatever you want, but if you are beast like Goyim, and use terruh to try and get freedumb, no way, you will be made to lick the souls of you Jewish master as he crushes you under his Iron Rod.

I should start by first acknowledging that my position as i understand this issue would be considered anti-Israel.

Zionist have been in the land grabbing business ever since they started showing up in Palestine in significant numbers under British control.
I'm not going to deny the existence of Muslim extremist, but there's also such a thing as Zionist extremist.
Someone posted bout the killing of 500 jews before 1948, but he failed to mention in that same conflict 5000 palestinians men, women, and children were also slaughtered.
And today how can anyone tolerate the continued brutal occupation of the palestinians for so many years. It's mind boggling.
Has Israel ever been called to account for the myriad U.N. resolutions it's violated over the years?
The West (particularly the USA and England) supports Israel, unconditionally, and supply it with all it's various killing machines. So you wonder why there's so much hate toward the West, from the Muslim world?

Someone please post information about the Khazars of Eastern Europe and you will be the irony. The Muslims of Palestine were once Christians, and the Christians were once Jews, and the Jews of that area were once just Egyptians, Hebrews, Philistines, and Canaanites. But many of the Zionist of Eastern Europe have no blood connection to that land.

What do youmean that there are really people in control of this entire situation that I don;t see on Fox News, thats just proposterous, but they are Fairly Balanced oh boo. Guess maybe we aren't getting the whole truth or facts of the matter.

Hey, in the Bible dosen't it say something about Isreal being utterly destroyed by the World that turns on them, and, then dosen't it say something about the Great White Buffalo coming down fron the sky and congratulate everyone on what a great job we have done with the place? That what I thought. So if the Great Whit Messiah is coming from their destruction whats the big deal? Whats al the complaining about from the Isreallys, shouldn't they want to be destroyed? After all in their Talmud it says that after they are they get to rule the world and their Messiah will be at the Helm, so whats the problem?

To Robert, 109,
Sensational and well written letter, thank you.
Mr. Viper,
Time to take your meds.

#112, Charles...

anti-semitic is a widely used term - and widely mis-used. Semitic is an Arab term. Semitic is anything middle-eastern, not Jewish. Anti-Semetic = anti-anything middle-eastern. Although you'll find that in Wikipedia and tons of other online sites and dictionaries, it's not true and it's a term used in an incorrect context.

Israelis, Arabs and Palestinians alike scoff at the West for not even coming to understand the term correctly. How would I know? I have friends that are both Jewish, Muslim... Moreover, I have friends located in Egypt, Iran and Israel. All from both sides of the spectrum clashing against each other. I can't help but laugh at people who aren't in "the know" but I also can't blame them when our books teach them that.

Semantics-101 is now in session.

Viper
How clueless you are. Too much sun I dare say. Perhaps you are indeed late on your meds.

What shallow simplistic analysis. Yes, there are Jews fighting alongside Americans...there are Americans who are Jews. And guess what? There all also Muslims fighting alongside Americans...some of those Muslims are Americans. Quite a few non-American Muslims have died fighting alongside Americans. My driver's life was saved by an Iraqi Sunni Muslim in March 2004 when an IED took out my HUMVEE. I've been there. Have you?

I've got three trips over there in that part of the world (18 months out of 24) What you see on your precious telivision is so distorted that it doesn't come close. It doesn't come close to portraying the real horror and it doesn't come close to portraying the real progress. It sure doesn't come close to helping anyone understand the complexities. Virtually everyone reporting on the matter, regardless of medium, has an agenda. There is no "objective" reporting that I've seen.

From what I'm reading in these posts the vast majority have not been in part of the world recently or ever. When you say "the Jews", you are tarring all Jews everywhere with blame for what is happening. The same holds true when other say "Muslims", or any specific sect of Islam is to blame.

Vitriolic hyperbol by either side won't solve a thing. We can't change the past, but rational human beings can choose to make a better future. Therin lies the problem. Not all parties to the conflict are rational.

From the Persian Gulf to the Mediteranean, the region is a mess and there is PLENTY of blame to evenly distribute among ALL parties. As long as there are some who openly insist that there can be no compromise, who willingly murder civilians, publish their deeds on the Internet and glorify the whole idea of self-immolation, there will be conflict.

Can you honestly answer these two questions?

Jeffery,

I remember just before the war in Iraq started, sitting in the Kuwaiti desert we joked about our "exit strategy". Turn left at Baghdad to Damascus, or turn right to Teheran. In hindsight, it seems a left to Damascus might have been the best choice. Might have spared Lebanon a great deal of anguish.

#115 that1guy77...

I'm not sure why that post was directed at me. I didn't say anything about Semites, only Israel and Zionism. I made a reference to Khazars, folks can do their Google and Wikipedia searches on "Khazars and Jews".

Yes, I'm aware that both Arabs and "Jews" are Semites, but not only that, they are both Hebrews if you follow the bible. But many if not most of the Zionist who mainly stem from the area around Eastern Europe are neither. There was a great deal of conversion to Judaism in this area, and now they claim this land - thus, the irony.

When you look at an Arab Muslim, there's a good chance that his ancestors were once Jews or ancient Israelites. Many Jews became Christians, and many Jews and Christians became Muslims.

You can go even farther back as there's a not so new school of thought, based on historical research, that suggest that Judaism first began as an Egyptian religion, and was heavily promoted by the Egyptians during the 18th Dynasty. The earliest archeaological evidence of monotheism was during the reign of Akhnaton who propagated the one G-d belief system - Aton.

It seems to me that the Arab World is acting out a scene from Tom Cruise's stupid movie the Last Samurai, by going into a blood thirsty primitive mode of self destruction, as they are dragged kicking and screaming from the caves of primitive man, into the modern day world. In the Last Samurai they glorify the carnage and put down the modern thinkers, or quick learners that made Japan a superpower. When the Japanese were beat in World War II they shifted gears and dominated the world economically by taking knowledge from the West and doing it better in some ways and the West in turn learned from the Japanese, making everyone better off. If the intelligent people in the Middle East could be free from terror, I have no doubt they would undergo a renaissance in scientific and economic progress, and rise to levels of civilization not seen since the days of old, when it was the wealthiest part of the world. All of the smart Middle Easterners who now live in Europe and America, would come back in droves and "Human Capital" would flood the area and "Financial Capital" would follow. Why choose continued poverty when choosing to disarm the ignorant bullies in their midst would deliver such positive results? Is it fear of modernizing and changing? Maybe what the Arabs really fear is change itself.

If the Arab Countries didn't act like the "Last Samurai" and instead viewed Israel as an incredible resource of Human Capital to form partnerships to build their region, it would be a "Win Win" situation. Their land would immediately become more valuable. Instead of choosing poverty and ignorance, they could choose success and prosperity. It is the mindset of the Arabs, that a tiny tiny piece of land, in their vast dominions, is the anti matter that prevents all progress for Arabs. If this tiny state causes billions of dollars of underdevelopment to occur, why doesn't the World Community create a fund to compensate the Pales

#121

Joseph, you talk about this insignificant piece of land. This is a critical part of the insanity of this situation. Palestine is indeed, insignificant. All it's value, today, comes in the form of tourism and religious symbolism. But in ancient times the land of Canaan (the "Promised Land") was one of the major centers of ecomonic power. And it was alot more tropical than it is, now.

You could resettle either the Palestinians or Jews (Uganda was also one of several destinations for a potential Jewish state), in South America, Africa, Canada, etc.
How many billions does the USA give to Israel every year? That money could be better spent on the Israelis or Palestinians to help get them going in a completely different part of the world.

I don't know. I seems this issue could be handled a lot smarter by all sides.

Yes, peaches have been put on the Khazarians' WMD list. Soon, the air the Palestinians, Lebonese, Iraqis, North Koreans, and Iranis breathe will be outlawed. After all, our allies, the Khazarians (I know, they want to be called "God's Chozen) need their promised biblical boundaries. (I think Hitler called it Libenschraum.) It is so wonderful to be alive in these peaceful times. People, a hundred years from now (after history has been re-written) will wonder what the fuss was all about... --jws

To 119. Sadly it does print the truth. And that is what you are reading. Like it or not this is what we have to face up to. Viper maybe over the line but he is telling what he feels as is Robert 109. What more could you want in open dialogue?

Mel Gibson said--all Wars were started by Jews
I dare anyone to prove him wrong !
Here is some history ,that shows how sinister zionist Jews are.
In 1915, Pres, USA Woodrow Wilson was Black-mailed by a zionist group. Wilson was photoed having sex with a fellow senator's wife.
What did the Jews want--Homeland for the Jews.
Punish Russia, Poland and Germany for the explusion and harsh treatment of Jews .
Wilson pushed and got $325 million to Bribe Russia not to sign the peace treaty with Germany.
After 3 months and winning the Election--Wilson declared war on Germany--WWI started. The basturd Wilson liad and said--USA will never enter the European war.

WWII was also a jewish trap for Germany to punish a unfinished hatred towards Poland and Russia.
Trap !--- Nazie Germany was groomed and funded by USA prior to WWII--$billions given and military funds.The Nazie party was zionist controlled. Germany attack dog was unleashed--millions died--not Jews.
Wake-up from your stupour folks--911 was done by USA and Israel.
Don't believe it---just look around you-- in Lebanon--The Jews are at it again. Just watch you fools Goyums--when they finish with the ARabs--your next-nuked.
The Scoutsman--even the artcle headline--is another false zionist lie. Rupert Murdog is really proder than sh!t of his little helper--falsehood !
Yah !--Syria is about to enter the fry--B.S.

Hitler called it the final solution. And People like myself wonder, now, what the fuss is all about.

It seems that the great purpose of Israel, is to function as a catalyst for hostilities, and provide an excuse for western military adventurism in the region.

The comments here have been interesting. I have the following to add in response to some of the comments:

Nuking sounds very attractive to a lot of people, but as long as there are people like this in the Nuke holding countries, muslims will have justification to get deterrence. Pakistan already has 50-100 warheads, in 10-20 years, if not sooner, they will get world-wide delivery and start sharing the technology with other muslim countries. So there is a window of opportunity, before you have this upperhand, to nip this in the bud. As for Israel, it is such a small piece of land that starting a nuclear war in the future, when muslims have the delivery technology, will be its instant suicide.

Muslims in the West can be interned and kicked out, we are well aware - but we are not worried, we have our home countries to go to and few other muslim countries as a backup. And again we welcome these moves, as it will unite the fragmented muslim world faster.

As for fighting over a little piece of land, it is a little more complicated than that. Israel started out as a place of refuge, but after oil was discovered in the 1940's, the US started to use it as a strategic insurance of last resort, a rear guard to ensure the flow of oil and it continues to be that way. If Arabs did not betray their Turkish over-lords, and if the Lebanese did not kick out Syrians, none of these problems would be here today. Nationalism, an imported product from Europe, has been our doom.

I hear many arrogant remarks here and again many are quite sensible. The arrogant ones should worry about China which is quietly working on developing a high technology base to beat the last strong hold of Western supremacy. Muslims are not in a position to fight the west, our biggest worry is to unite and get out from the vicious cycle of backwardness. Some among us are not so bright and they create these sorry situations, but this only reminds us how sick and degenerate we have become.<

Former Arab terrorists in support of Israel!

http://www.shoebat.com/

The Most Hypocritical People on the Face of the Earth

Excellent essay by a Lebanese writer!

http://www.menapress.com/article.php?sid=1479

posts number 125 and 126

Can anyone believe this kind of garbage? What kind of idiots write this tripe and then expect people to believe it. I'm sorry...from what I see on here there are plenty of people who will believe it.

Open dialogue is one thing, but those 2 posts are an entirely different kind of animal.

Bravo Stefano Comment 11. Think about it, people. The ONLY long-term solutions to conflicts such as now occurring in the middle east and elsewhere are through NONVIOLENT means: recall Gandhi et al.

As long as Israel continues to violate international law by occupying territories outside of it's borders as mandated by the U.N., the people they are attempting to erase from the face of the earth will continue to wage war against the state of Israel, as they are obligated by traditions of justice and the doctrines of Islam. When Israel withdraws to its internationally recognized borders, these defensive attacks will cease. However, Israel will never retreat from its expansions until it can no longer bank on the support of the U.S., France, and Great Britain.

Ally comment 132. What utter nonsense!

Defensive attacks?

In 1967 Israel was within its borders and was attacked anyway.

Israel withdrew from Gaza and was attacked from there.

Israel withdrew from Lebanon and has suffered rocket and mortar attacks for the past 6 years culminating in the cross-border raid that triggered the current state of affairs.

The UN also mandated that Hezbollah be disarmed, but you don't seem too critical of THEIR violations of International Law or THEIR flaunting of UN resolutions.

What drivel!

Yes, we have lunatics and idiots on both sides of the Atlantic.

My appologies to all on the Eastern shores of the Atlantic for singling you out earlier for idiotic notions.

Would that the problems of the Middle East were so simple.

#116 JOHN, thankyou for your comment, sometimes it takes a bit of crap to make people stop from being one sided, as i have read some of your previous comments in which you seemed to be,unfortunately your 1948 comment is incorrect, but let bygones be bygones,i have to post stuff here to either make people say what they really wanna say or show who they really are, in reallity john, i am sick of all this crap because almost everyone here, jew and arab and white folks talk crap, but i like the logical and trully informed people. good luck to everyone i say and only time will tell, just open your eyes and don't believe everything people tell you, you have to SEE the truth.

lmao, #133, there you go again, you don't attack one you try and solve the problem calmly.

whoever created religion has a lot to answer for.there is no easy solution to all this,although i have one,if everyone is fitted with a microchip at birth that would send a short sharp electric shock to a person that had aggresive thoughts,im sure this would be a big leap to solving a lot of mankinds problems.

Viper 134

Ah, but you play it so well you certainly had me thinking you were a raving nutcase!

Yes, it would be nice if there were more thoughful comments by all and fewer nasty attacks grounded in nothing but venom and blind hatred. The problems of the Middle East are not simple and they are not helped by deep cultural differences that make understanding one another much more difficult.

Everyone has their story and grievances, but the past is done. What is needed is a step back and thoughtful consideration on how we can find common ground to build a better future for all. Sadly, given human nature, someone will want one last kick for what the other guy's ancestor did to my ancestor 50 years or more ago.

RAM.. 49...
You mention 7 (SEVEN) Israelis were killed by Hesbollay since the Israelis withdrew from Lebanon..

The Israeli military have just killed over 1,000 Lebanese Civilians using precision targeted weapons.

Israelis now tell the Lebanese not to drive cars and ambulances too..

Who is the Terrorist?

The Israelis knew their attacks would provoke a katyusha responses from Hezbolla..

The Israelis that are on the recieving end must thank their government and military for the Katyushas!

Dear Israelis

Please stop killing Innocent civillians
with your Precision guided bombs, helicopter gunships, GPS targeted artillery, Unmanned Aircraft with Missles, Tanks.

Please comply with UN resolutions
& end the illegal occupation of Palestine

Please stop bulldozing people's homes!

Please release all Pallestinian and Lebanese prisoners

Please pay for the damage you have done, rather than buying more tanks, bombs, missiles & F16 Jets

Let us have peace in the middle east!

Dear Americans

Please stop sending the Israelis BOMBS, F16 Jets, Helicopter Gunships, ammunition and Military equipment.

It is state of the art kit.. deadly accurate..

They Israelis are using US Military equipment to Kill Babies, Children, Boys, Girls, Teenagers, Mums, Dads, Grandmas and Grandpas..

The bombs, Missiles & cannon fire blow them to pieces in their own homes, in their own country...

They are defenceless

What can Israel do to keep from being retaliated against? Israel can withdraw to it's own borders established in 1948. Israel can dismantle the wall encroaching on Palestinian land, it can leave the Golan Heights, it can abandon it's plan (using "kidnapped soldiers as the pretext) to occupy Lebanon up to the Litani River as laid out in it's Clean Break strategy, it can withdraw from Gaza. Israel invades it's neighbors and steals their land, it kills indiscriminately claiming it's victims are militants (always with no actual proof), it has created a concentration camp in Gaza and when it's victims fight back their are labeled terrorists. Israel paints itself as a victim and uses the label of anti-semitic for anyone opposing it's terrorist policies. Israel bombs a country like Lebanon killing thousands of innocent people and then shrilly demands they do not fight back! Israel, because of it's policies of attacking and occupying it's neighbors is the pariah nation that will guarantee the middle-east will go up in flames, a condition Israel welcomes as it will happily move in to pick up the pieces of it's neighbors at less than fire sale prices. To anyone labelling people opposed to Israel's terrorist policies in the middle-east "anti-semitic", I say stop attacking the messenger with sandlot name calling and defend the charges laid at Israel's door. Explain to the world why Israel should be allowed to "defend" itself with overwhelming force while the people it attacks are expected to not do likewise. Explain to the world why Israel is occupying someone else's land and building "settlements" in the West Bank. Explain the wall, explain extra-judicial killings and assassinations, explain apartheid practices against the Palestinian people, explain the humanitarian crisis created in Gaza, explain attacking refugees, hospitals, the red cross, journalists and killing babies. Accusations of anti-semitism will not be considered an

The current conflict has been planned since the late nineties

http://www.corvuswire.com/cleanbreak.htm

to save a life is as if the whole of humanity has been saved to take a life is as if the whole of humanity has been killed!

Semites:The blood decendents of shem the son of noah which include
Arabs,falasha jews of Ethiopia/Abbasinia Saphardic jews
Turks but not Ashkanazim jews who
are from europe Khazars to be exact
see Arthur Koestler's "the thirteenth
tribe" http://www.christusrex.org/www2/koestler/
The ashkanazim jews make up over ninty percent of world wide jews and cant be semites or shemites.
Some of the most out spoken people against the crimes of israel/amarica/uk are jews crime is crime no matter who is responsable
whats needed for the future is truth
only the can we judge correctly

Why the great debate concerning who is semitic and who is not? If we can decide that ALL the population in that area, Jews and Arabs, are semitic, then it's alright to condemn the Jews for defending themselves, because you aren't being anti-Semitic for the simple reason that everyone there is Semitic.

Never mind that whatever Israel has done, withdrawing from Gaza, withdrawing from Lebanon, they're still attacked by terrorists, whether they are from Hizbullah or any other organization.

Everyone, (well, almost everyone), wants Israel to withdraw and let the Lebanese army fill in the void along with the historically ineffective UN observers. Answer this; If Lebanon and UN observers have, for 6 years, been unable to keep Hizbullah from being armed and trained, how are they supposed to do it this time?

Post number 140 from Rob in the UK is probably one of the most ill-thought-out ones of this series. I'll bet Adolph sent one just like it in 1941. "Dear America, please stop sending destroyers and bombs and war materiels to those nasty Britons. They are using them to hurt all kinds of innocents. And stop sending Americans to fly British planes. That's very unfair, too." (If you don't get that part, Rob, ask someone about the Eagle Squadrons)

Folks, just read post number 140, substitute England for Israel, and let your mind take you back about 65 years. Try to put all your prejudices aside and consider what the outcome might have been.

Willy 144,

You forgot..
Germany Invaded and occupied Most countries in Europe... the concentration camps where millions of Jews, gypsies and refugees died of starvation, disease or were murdered ...
Japan Bombed Pearl Harbour.

The UK & US Government originally appeased the NAZI's, they invaded Poland, then the rest of Europe..

What happened in the 2nd world war is no excuse for bombing and killing innocent civilians today.

What has Israel Done.. Invaded Palestine
Now Lebanon...

Lebanon, did not invade Israel. Quite the opposite.. Israel has invaded and still occupies nearly all of Palestine, parts of Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt and Syria.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli-occupied_territories

So Folks,
be ashamed that the world stands by and lets the Israelis Kill Civilians, by the dozen, every day!

So Folks..
be ashamed that little children are being blown to pieces with your tax dollars!, bombs and missiles!

Post 145..

ISRAEL has invaded PALESTINE?

Apparently people like Barbara 141 were asleep when the current round of blood-letting started. They must have woken up AFTER Israel retaliated for a cross-border raid by Hezbollah that occured from territory Israel vacated SIX YEARS AGO!

Gaza? Israel withdrew from Gaza, only to have Hamas use the newly "liberated" territory to launch more attacks on Israel.

And Rob 145...attaching a link to the encyclopedia for a definition to the Occupied Territories is meaningless to a critical group...those members of Hamas, Hezbollah and all the sub-groups of the PA. THEIR definition of the Occupied Territories includes ALL land currently occupied by Israel, INCLUDING that within the internationally recognized 1948 boundaries. In otherwords, Israel could evacuate from every square inch of the territories you describe and it would not matter to Hezbollah, Hamas or the PA. Read their organizational charters...read the writtings of their prominent leadership.

In their minds, the diplomacy that people like you demand is only a tactic. The end goal is STILL the annihilation of Israel.

What Rob, Barbara and so many others in their naivete are advocating for is that Israel commit national suicide. Israel has made good faith effort to give back territory when the other side has demonstrated that peace agreements mean something. (See Sinai in 1979 and the Egypt-Israel Peace Accord).

Of course the man on the Egyptian side who brought that about was assassinated. Why? Because he dared to make peace with Israel.

The Israeli government, in keeping its end of the agreement to evacuate Gaza, FORCIBLY evicted Israeli settlers. Several West Bank settlements have been forcibly evacuated as well, but I suppose you conveniently missed that development. What did they get in return? More suicide bombs and mortar rounds from the newly evacuated territory.

So all you who think everything will be wonderful if Israel would just play nice

Dear poster of senseless post #140,

Don't even criticise a government that aides a democratic and non-barbaric sovereign nation. Evidently you don't know much history about your own country and how your ancestory aided Israel in getting that piece of land - let alone still give them military aide in the form of modern weaponry in this day & age.

Some of you in this lame little blog would be fine candidates for Hitler's Third Riech with how you constantly accuse Israel of being the aggressor and your anti-Jewish-everything stance.

Rob 138, 139, 140...

How onesided. How about asking Iran and Syria to stop equiping Hezbollah and Hamas?

How about asking Hezbollah and Hamas to quit paying blood money to suicide bombers for their families?

How about asking Hamas and Hezbollah to stop glorifying murder of innocents?

When have you ever seen the Israelis dancing merrily in the streets over the murder of innocents?

When have you ever seen the Israeli media or ANY media for that matter celebrating when the Israelis kill anyone.

Every single time an Israeli, or someone seen as cooperating with the Israelis, is butchered you will find glorious celebration on every terrorist web site and television station. NEVER an ounce of regret. Even if you doubt their sincerity for whatever reason, at least the Israelis express regret when innocents are killed...AND they investigate the causes and make adjustments to reduce future innocent casualties.

You clearly have no real understanding of ordnance. Doesn't matter how precision the device is...it's still a big boom. If you are too close to the big boom, you go up with the intended target. And by the way, Hamas, Hezbollah and others of their ilk DELIBERATELY position their critical assets close to non-combatants and otherwise protected sites (hospitals, mosques, ophanages). They do this precisely because, since they understand ordnance effects better than you do, when the inevitable casualties occur, they can get the newsreel on the air so that clueless Westerners will feel bad about it.

They know us better than we know them!

If you doubt the above READ THEIR DOCTRINE! They actually have doctrine and you can find it on their web sites! These are not ignorant idiots in Hamas and Hezbollah, fanatics maybe, but they are not idiots. They know exactly what they are doing and how to play the idiot Western media to their best advantage in your living room.

Khilji i am going to spend no more time reasoning with you after this post for it is clearly a waste of my time. Your ancestors were Hindu but they no longer are because Islam was by and large spread by use of a sword. The Hindus were struggling with Islam prior to British rule in India and the Indian muslims at this time were trying to destroy Sikhism, after they finished with Sikhism they planned on forcing Islam upon the Hindu majority.

Muslims worked with Ghandi because it suited them, but look at what happened after British rule. They wanted Islamic law for all of India and thus India had to be partitioned.

I accept Christianity as well as other religions have been spread by a sword at times but what i am trying to say is Islam has not moved on, many of its followers still want to spread it by the sword (or gun or aeroplane) and all muslims still believe in notion of 'offensive jihad' which is so often mentiond in the Quran. This ofensive Jihad has been going on since the formation of Isam and will go on until Islam has either converted or killed everyone who is not Muslim.

The Quran is written in a way where it clearly states it is the job of a Muslim to convert by any means a non muslim. It is clear people like you cannot be reasoned with and that you will only be defensive when it comes to your religion. You will not accept simple facts and will warp the facts to protect the truth

I end with some quotes from the Quran just to give all the other non believers out there what we are up against

"Believers, take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends. They are friends with one another. Whoever of you seeks their friendship shall become one of their number. Allah does not guide the wrongdoers." (5:51, Quran)

"When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. If they repent and take to prayer and pay the alms

to all that believe in only one thing that syria is a bad country then read this link, http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4778131.stm, BECAUSE WHEN NO ONE ELSE IS DOING ANYTHING and putting blame on syria these people are doing something about it, you people defending the israeli's or jews that want war are defending a country that is killing innocent people, which in turn makes you a terrorist supporter, and i know that most that support israel will have no guts to read the link.

Israeli murderers !!!!!!!

hitler didn't do his job too well i see, he hated the jews and for good reason, hopefully syria and iran will do better, and for you idiots that say israel has beaten syria before, well this is a new game and hezbollah has proven it now, the syrians and iranians will prove this, america and israel are the new nazi's with a different name but opposite to what hitler was trying to achieve,long live hitler, my hero.

Post #151... BBC... The ultimate "I Love Hizbullah & Anything Terrorist Related" bias media outlet. I think they even have Hizbullah journalists.

Yawn ^_^ You lefties and racists bore me. Nazi if you feel so strongly go join Hizbollah and get killed. The world could do with less people like you. P.s to the lefties out there wake up! I was one once, but i realised that when your a leftie you are blind to common sense and get used by people who if they had no use for you would destroy you and everything you hold dear. You preach human rights this and human rights that to protect those who care not for human rights. The vast majority of people in places like Palestine do not understand the concept of Human Rights. They understand Islamic Law and no more.

You are the sort who would preach human rights to protect the rights of a blatant terrorist. Someone who completely detests such rights. You are also the people who wave signs in a crowd in Trafalgar Square that demand Basic Human Rights with people who hold signs saying DEATH TO THE WEST & CHOP OFF THE HEAD OFF THOSE WHO INSULT ISLAM ETC. This i have seen, this i found absurd

I also dont understand why you lefties and even you muslims go on about Iraq. Under Saddams rule no one had human rights, there was no rule of law. Under Saddam Islam was supressed and controlled, so what exactly is your point with regards to Iraq? The war was illegal??? Maybe so, but this ilegal war freed Iraq from 30 years of rule under a despot and gives Iraq (assuming she doesnt follow the example of most middle eastern states, which i fear she is) a chance to be something it could never be under Saddam.

And with regards to Lebanon i have made my feelings known. 1/3 of Lebanons government is Hizbollah, Lebanon promised to control Hizbollah, most of its suporters come from the South (of L) and southern Beirut and rockets are magicaly apearing from the south of this country aimed at Israel with the intention of killing. Thus Israel is justly retaliating.

On a final note for those droning on about Israel having to go back to her old borders and ilegal ocup

i am an israeli and i am disgusted by what our government is doing, we were supposed to be opposed to killing the innocent, destroying peoples properties etc etc, yet look at what our army does to the palestinians and lebanese, this is warmongering by our politicians, it is pure crap what i have been reading here, we offered the palestinians there land back alright but then our army go's right back in and demolishes their houses and all, where is the justice in this ? the arabs will be in our position one day, like us they will say "never again" then we will be in the shit, so thanks to all those looking for a fight in the israeli political arena and american too, because of you we all live in fear and we all will be targets, all of you have created this mess like you did in other countries and lately iraq, we will never win and time has told us that, because this crap is still going on, i am being victimised because of this and really jacked off, i am an israeli for peace but most will see me as the new terrrorist in the coming years, again no thanks to our politicians and america.

Proudly an Israeli 156

The downside of this method of communication is that you never can tell for sure if the person posting is what they say they are...

You don't sound particularly "proud" and if you truly are an Israeli, you are most assuredly a distinct minority. You don't sound like any Israeli I've ever met and that includes some rather dovish ones.

I take it you are alright with suicide bombers climbing on the bus with you or mortar rounds landing in your house from land occupied by Hamas or Hezbollah and your government doing nothing about it.

Of course, if you are truly an Israeli and aghast at all your government is doing to protect you...the wisdom of their methods open to debate...one might wonder why you are contributing to the problem by staying on Occupied Land as defined by the PA, Hamas and Hezbollah. There is not one square centimeter of Israel that those organizations do not consider Occupied Land.

So dear fellow, do your part to help solve the problem by departing said Occupied Land for some other refuge where you might be welcome. At least then you would not be offending Hamas, Hezbollah and the PA and you can, in good conscience continue your screed agains Israel and the United States from a safer locale.

Perhaps viper knows of a bit of desert for you to camp out in.

Viper 151

Nyah, nyah...I read the link...

The BBC is rather like FoxNews on different drugs...not all that objective.

Syria's government is naughty...the people are generally not...

We had a Syrian work crew at our camp in Kuwait...first rate bunch of guys...played soccer...and we chatted endlessly about the problems in the Middle East. Quite rational. They often asked the same question Rodney King did...Why can't we just all get along?

I guess this is sort of a left hand way of also answering some of the anti-Muslim posts here. Don't tar all Muslims with the brush of terrorism.

There are a lot of modern forward looking Muslims out there and they are just as horrified as the rest of us about terrorism...remember Muslims are killing Muslims with wild abandon in Iraq and Dafur...something supposedly forbidden.

Unfortunately, the good people among them are not doing enough to stop the acceptance of terrorism. They are not even speaking out enough...not publicly anyway.

But then, not many Christians spoke out against Hitler in the early days of the Third Reich either. Why?

Mostly fear. Even in the United States, Muslims keep a low profile because even if they speak out against the radicals, it wakes up the bigoted idiots we have living here who than make their lives miserable.

Stupidity and ignorance abound in all corners of the world...no one has a monopoly. The good people of all religions and ethnicities need to do more and speak more. Ignorant bigots are not the majority...but they sure are louder!

To quote, "All that evil needs to succeed is for good men to do nothing."

Prof. Noam Chomsky explains....

"Recall the facts. On June 25, Cpl. Gilad Shalit was captured, eliciting huge cries of outrage worldwide, continuing daily at a high pitch, and a sharp escalation in Israeli attacks in Gaza, supported on the grounds that capture of a soldier is a grave crime for which the population must be punished.

"One day before, on June 24, Israeli forces kidnapped two Gaza civilians, Osama and Mustafa Muamar, by any standards a far more severe crime than capture of a soldier. The Muamar kidnappings were certainly known to the major world media. They were reported at once in the English-language Israeli press, basically IDF handouts. And there were a few brief, scattered and dismissive reports in several newspapers around the US.

"Very revealingly, there was no comment, no follow-up, and no call for military or terrorist attacks against Israel. A Google search will quickly reveal the relative significance in the West of the kidnapping of civilians by the IDF and the capture of an Israeli soldier a day later.
"The paired events, a day apart, demonstrate with harsh clarity that the show of outrage over the Shalit kidnapping was cynical fraud. They reveal that by Western moral standards, kidnapping of civilians is just fine if it is done by “our side,” but capture of a soldier on “our side” a day later is a despicable crime that requires severe punishment of the population.
"As Gideon Levy accurately wrote in Ha’aretz, the IDF kidnapping of civilians the day before the capture of Cpl. Shalit strips away any “legitimate basis for the IDF's operation,” and, we may add, any legitimate basis for support for these operations.
"The same elementary moral principles carry over to the July 12 kidnapping of two Israeli soldiers near the Lebanon border, heightened, in this case, by the regular Israeli practice for many years of abducting Lebanese and holding many as hostages for long period

Viper, read the link, i still support Israel 100%. End Of, call me a terrorist supporter all you want, but at the end of the day Israel isn't the one who intentionally goes out of its way to kill people and its existence isnt based upon killing people unlike Hizbollah and those morons who tried to board those planes today and kill innocent civilians. Israel is trying to defend itself, those mentioned in that article are victims of Hizbollah not Israel!

# 156. proudly an israeli,

You're one of those in the crowd that are afraid to show support because you lack the political will to do the job right in fear of retaliation. You are not a proud Israeli. You are a product of media brainwashing. Turn off your BBC and Al Jazeera television settings.

moon 160. That was a very good post, it's unfortunate we still have people with rocks in their heads instead of a brain who still can't see through the smoke screen laid down by our slanted media. Perpetual war is the name of this game and to get that you have to support the real terrorists.

well that1guy and jay, you can talk all you like but the fact is that your in la la land and you know very well now you are fighting a losing battle of trying to pursuade people that israel and the u.s are the heroes and there are no terrrorists around but hezbollah, syria, iran and whoever you can think of, because the world has woken up to the bully (israel and america ) that try and thrust their ideas on a country content on their way of life and religion, if someone came into your house let alone country and tried to tell you that you need to change your way of life and whatever, are you telling me you wouldn't throw them out, and if they came back with weapons you wouldn't get your gun and fight back ? if you say no your both liars, and whats good for the goose is good for the gander but not in yours or israels eyes.and israel started all this by kidnapping more people ( palestinians and lebanese) than they had kidnapped way before hamas or hezbollah, you think syria and iran are afraid, well think again, this time ain't like last and hezbollah is proving that, syrian and iranian presidents are much the wiser this time , and now you have pakistani's that were caught ,which were gonna blow up a few planes and there will be more and why? because of america and israel, SO NOW PEOPLE CAN THANK THE U.S AND ISRAEL FOR THIS NEW WAVE OF TERRORIST ACTIVITIES (which had faded of lately),WHY? BECAUSE WITH THEIR TREATMENT OF ARAB PEOPLE, THE OTHER COUNTRIES ARE NOW JOINING IN, AND I HOLD THE U.S AND ISRAELI PEOPLE TO BLAME FOR ANY CIVILIAN DEATHS IN ANY COUNTRY.

that1guy77 # 148..

People on this thread are not anti Jewish, Anti Israeli or Anti-American. They are not pro-Hesbollah or Hammas.

We are against killing innocent babies, toddlers, girls, boys, teenagers, mums, dads, brothers & sisters, Grans and Grandads... On Both Sides.

There are many Jewish and Israeli people than can see past the lies, spin & propaganda and are prepared to speak out against the attrocities and war crimes being committed by the Israeli Armed forces, obviously under governmet instruction.

The solution is not for Israel to Bomb and shell their towns into oblivion and kill civillians. The solution is not to keep the people penned into refugee camps in their own country. Israel knows this.. so why do they do it? To steal the Land & Water? Why?

Please, consider how you would feel if you were Lebanese or Palestinian.. What would you think of the Israeli Bombs, artillery bombardment, assasinations of political leaders who are pronounced guilty and executed without trial,... Detention of thousands of people without trial.

The solution is not more violence and oppression.

The rest of the world should impose Economic and Military Sanctions on Israel until such time as they comply with all UN Resolutions.

# 149. John, North Carolina / 6:59pm 9 Aug 2006

We havn't seen the Israeli Military dancing with Glee when they have killed Palestinians & Lebanese..

They are far too busy!..

We have seen the Israeli Military Occupy over 70% of Palestine... Sending in Settlers to Steal Palestinian Land.

We have seen them Bulldozing People's homes, shelling and bombing civillians

We have seen the Israeli Military kill over 1,000 people, mostly Lebanese Civilians, destroying whole towns, roads, cars, ambulances, UN Observers.

John..

The principle route cause of the "war on terror" is what Israel is doing to the Palestinians and now to the Lebanese. The US is dragged in, due to their support for Israel by providing Jets, Bombs, Military aid and blatant support for Israel in the UN.

The US and the World would be a much safer place if they withdrew military and UN support for Israel...

Southern Lebanon is approx 20 miles wide..

It is Patrolled by Israeli Helicopter Gunships, Aircraft, Spy Planes with Hi-Res Cameras, Unmanned aircraft. The border region, including areas inside Lebanon are occupied by Dozens of Israeli Tanks, Armoured cars, Soldiers and Special Services on the ground.

Why can't they find the people firing the rockets?

The Range of a Katyusha is 12 to 15 miles, the Fahr 3 is 30 miles..
http://www.google.co.uk/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=...

The Hezbollah, If they are the ones launching the missiles, need to be launching the missiles from where pretty close to Israeli Border if they want to hit Israeli towns.. Haifa is 22 miles from the border.

They would be setting up the launchers in area currently occupied by Israeli Artillery, Tanks, Armoured Cars, Thousands of Soldiers...
In an area patrolled by dozens of aircraft, UAV's, etc.,
http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/vehicles/self_prop...

Why can't they find the Hezbollah firing the rockets?

Could it be the Israelis firing Katyushas at Israel or setting off explosives in their own towns, saying they are rockets?
… to give them an excuse to occupy and move settlers into Lebanon, an excuse to stay in Palestine?

Press reports on Bloomberg say most of the rockets have been fired from the region around the Litani River, that is 16 miles from Israel.. .. Most Israeli towns would be beyond the range of Katyushas and Fahr 3 rockets if fired from this area..
http://worldatlas.com/webimage/countrys/asia/lgcolor/lbco...

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#165 Rob

Well, on both sides of the spectrum I find it hard to believe anyone in their right mind would be in favor of killing innocent babies, toddlers, girls, boys, teenagers, etc... as you have stated. Well, unless you're Hizbullah.

That's not the issue. The issue is the people hiding behind them and using them as shields as Hizbullah did the UN outpost. If people can't distinguish who's using the innocent as shields from the good guys, that's a serious issue in itself. All relevancy and credibility is lost to whoever wants to use the "Israel kills the innocents" argument.

The rest of the world should imose shame upon themselves for their in-action and bowing under pressure from the fear of terrorist retaliation. UN resolutions have done nothing to help with Russia, China and now France blocking any sensible measure. The UN has been in Lebanon for how long and how much progress was made? None... The UN is the world's largets "Do Nothing" organization.

#164. Diaper... err viper.

Your ad hominem arguments are a joke. You lost all credibility. Tune out of Al Jazeera television and stop making their website your homepage for crying out loud. You are no longer worthy of response.

THANKYOU ROB/U.K at least your seeing this wanton killing of innocent civilians and the taking of land and water and the rest, and that1guy grow up, whats with the baby name calling..lol, the new middle east will be created but without jews, only then will we have peace. and i'm glad that1guy you won't respond anymore, cause i am sick of your comments and lack of compassion and the so forth, maybe one day when your kids or mother is bombed by a suicide bomber will you then realise what these poor people are going through with the loss of loved ones, children, mothers uncles aunts and so forth. jerk

#1 Jen, agreed, but what of those idiots who blow themselves up and take about 100 more in a bus, mall, etc? Forgot about those wastes of DNA? NO argument whatsoever with most of #2. 100% agreement with #4,as you guys say "SPOT ON!" #17, a bunch of rockets lobbed in from Lebanon just MIGHT have a wee bit to do with that! #22, ALSO "SPOT ON!" #164.. quietly head back to the looney bin asylum. They have a nice, quiet soft, padded room waiting for you! If your neighbor (NOT sic, am not UK, AUS or CA. Yeah, we spell it "color" and "honor" here, get over it those who it might bother) was even FIVE miles away from you and dropping bombs on your house, I suppose you'd smile and say it was OK

I am so sick of people who seem to think any words against Israel are anti-Semitic! You Pro Israel, let them do anything they want, people want to use that term like a banner to say remember Hitler? Let us do anything. Get over yourselves. Israel is just as big a terrorist group as all the others. They steal land claiming to be their rights. If America was still run by Americans and not a puppet of Israel we would join the rest of the world in telling them to get out. This war is not about two solders. It’s about land, power and greed. We, as Americans, should be telling Israel to get out now and stop backing whatever they want to do in the world. Anti-Semitic? No! Anti-Terrorist? YES! And as long as Israel wants to act like a Terrorist, they should be treated as one.

Sigh.... why can't we all just get along? Israel, Lebanon, Gaza Strip, West bank - akin to big kids fighting! I pity the those in positions of power who abandon their common sense for interests that result in innocent deaths. Grow up! The aforementioned issues really do more to hide the peacful path we should be aiming for than they do to reveal it.
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"It is not me who is the clown, but this monstrously cynical and so unconssciously naive society, which plays the game of seriousness in order better to hide its madness" - Dali

# 172,

You don't even know what "Anti-Semetic" means. Stop talking about something you have no clue on.

to all the jews, you will be dealt what you have given out to these poor people, you are murders in the first degree and have no respect, one day syria and it's allies will give you the same treatment, this link is a testamony to your plans and how you took over a land that you were supposed to share with others, read it and weep.

Total war against Palestine and Lebanon
By Adel Safty, Special to Gulf News

The celebrated 19th century Prussian general Carl von Clausewitz described attacks on the enemy's territory, property and citizens as total war. With the horrors of the Second World War, total war became associated with war crimes.

The Israeli attacks on the Palestinian people and on Lebanon contain all elements of total wars.

This is in keeping with the Zionist strategy against the people of Palestine, the elimination of whom as competing contenders for Palestine was judged essential for the success of Zionism.

After the establishment of Israel in 1948, the Israeli strategy against the Arab states was one of pre-emptive attacks to achieve territorial expansion.

Thus, Israel colluded with England and France and attacked Egypt in 1956, partly to discredit Egyptian president Jamal Abdul Nasser, who had emerged as the voice of Arab nationalism.

In 1967, with support from the Lyndon Johnson administration, Israel attacked Egypt, Syria and Jordan, and occupied the Egyptian Sinai, the Syrian Golan Heights and the Palestinian West Bank and Gaza.

In October 1973, Egyptian and Syrian forces attacked the Israeli forces of occupation and managed to shake the aura of invincibility of the Israeli army.

Despite their growing degree of lethality and the massacring of innocent Palestinians in Kafre Qasem in 1956 prior to the launching of the Israeli offensive against Egypt, these wars were largely conventional wars, not total wars.

But against the Palestinian people, the strategy has always been

get over this damned houlacost thing , you have milked it for whats it's worth for too long and it does not justifiy the killing of innocent children and mothers, i am italian and disgraced at my government for not foing anything, but as i read on about the so called terrorist aids (syria and iran) it seems to me that they are the only ones helping out here when no one else is, and good on the syrians for showing compassion to the lebanese people, all i can see now is that the tide is turning and israel might have weapons they are to weak for ground combat and have been hit hard, this is from people who are in government and not terrorists as you keep saying, israel is the terrorist and it has time and time again demonstrated this, good on syria and iran and hezbollah for sticking up for their rights and down with all the israeli's that want this war, carma will come to you and soon i hope.