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Published Date: 08 June 2008
SCOTTISH children are being denied the right to play by a society which increasingly treats them with fear and suspicion, a hard-hitting report to the United Nations will claim this week.

Many adults are afraid to have contact with children for fear of facing abuse allegations, youngsters are demonised and driven away from open areas, and parents over-protect their offspring, says the study.

Kathleen Marshall, Scotland's children's commissioner, will officially unveil her findings to the UN tomorrow, as part of a UK-wide review of how the nation is safeguarding the rights of youngsters.

Marshall is also expected to complain in her report that too many Scottish children live in poverty, and many are denied decent health care.

And while many of the serious problems she highlights are common to the UK, Marshall is also believed to identify a number of major Scottish issues, including the fact that too many youngsters are tried in adult courts.

Last night, children's groups welcomed Marshall's report and agreed that many adults in Scotland have a poor attitude towards children and that the country is under-investing in youngsters' futures.

Marshall's report is understood to highlight:

• Adults who are so afraid of being accused of harming or neglecting children that they do not volunteer to work with them, leaving youngsters bored and harming their development;

• Children often having difficulty accessing everyday services such as shops and buses, because they are treated with fear and mistrust by the adults who operate them;

• A lack of leisure facilities and play areas in Scotland, forcing youths to hang around in large groups doing nothing, which leads to them being viewed with fear and suspicion by adults;

• Overly cautious parents being less likely to allow their children to take part in organised leisure activities as they fear they will be injured or put at risk;

• Antisocial behaviour orders disproportionately used against children, and high-pitched alarms, which only young people can hear, being used to drive them away from outside shops;

• Scottish children are increasingly likely to self-harm, particularly girls; and

• Twenty-two children under 15 were detained in Scottish prisons in 2006-2007, while Scottish fiscals regularly try 16 and 17-year-olds in adult courts, unlike in the rest of the UK, and against international best practice.

Marshall's report will be considered by the UN in the autumn when it reviews children's quality of life in Scotland.

Unlike the European Convention on Human Rights, the UN's Rights of the Child are not enshrined in domestic UK or Scottish law, which means the Scottish Government would not face a penalty if it is found to have breached it in any way.

However, if the UN finds Scotland is failing children, it will provide a list of areas that need improvement and a deadline for them to be made.

Murdo Fraser, deputy leader of the Scottish Conservatives, said: "I met Kathleen Marshall a couple of months ago and discussed with her the difficulty a lot of groups are having – even the Scouts and Girl Guides – in recruiting adult volunteers.

"While it is entirely understandable that we need to put regulations in place to protect children from predators, there's a sense bureaucracy and red tape have actually put a lot of people off coming forward."

Tom Roberts, spokesman for the charity Children 1st, said: "We can be guilty of having a poor attitude toward young people in Scotland. We do not provide adequate facilities in our communities but complain when young people congregate on street corners.

"Most young people want to spend their time positively but opportunities are limited by availability or cost." Between 11,000 and 12,000 children run away from home every year.

The Aberlour Child Care Trust believes this is symptomatic of the problems many youngsters face growing up in Scotland.

Addie Stevenson, chief executive of the charity, said: "This should be an incentive for Scotland to do better for our children. To make a real difference we need to tackle the underlying causes of these damning statistics.

"We need to think about poverty, social exclusion and the lack of opportunity for many of our citizens."

Research published by the commissioner last year, revealed that 48% of adults said the fear of being accused of harming a young person would prevent them taking on a role which would put them in contact with children. A spokesman for Children's minister Adam Ingram said: "We support the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child provisions and have been actively considering what steps we can take to ensure better implementation in Scotland.

"These reports highlight a number of important issues which can help us build on the work already being done."


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1

subrosa,

08/06/2008 00:17:51
'Marshall is also expected to complain in her report that too many Scottish children live in poverty, and many are denied decent health care.'

Adults are provided with sufficient funds to look after the children in their care. The fault lies with the irresponsible adults. I do wish she'd explain 'denied' decent health care. Another bit of poor journalism purporting to be a headline.

2

Nikostratos,

08/06/2008 00:20:22
Yes the snp have a lot to answer for smash a nation smash a family...........Social union snp speak for family........smash that as well well done snp
3

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 08/06/2008 00:20:50

It is an 'UTTER DISGRACE' its gone this far,! I hope many will have to account for themselves in attitude's and policy making.

Its just as-well we have people like, Kathleen Marshall to show her concerns.
But its,..

'SHAME ON YOU SCOTLAND'
4

moral___superiority_,

08/06/2008 00:41:09
Where is that SNP bore Senga Jean?

She always gets first post.

Fingers crossed she has been banned.
5

Bravetart,

08/06/2008 01:07:41
Not wishing to burst your balloon while you are on a rant but I will.

These problems didn't just arise in one year. They didn't just suddenly appear last May the minute the SNP got in. This is what near on 50 years of Labour in Scotland has done. That is a heck of a mess to clear up in one year.
6

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 08/06/2008 01:25:00

Bravetart @#6,

'YEP' Agree!

Well they can start off by Providing decent food in our Council run Nurseries for our Children!!

Instead of,..'Stuffing Their Faces on Caviar' and running all the way to the Bank!
7

clochoderic,

renfrewshire 08/06/2008 02:06:21
A lot of bluster here but this utterly chimes with Ian Bell`s piece over on the Sunday Herald on knife crime.
8

allknowing,

08/06/2008 03:11:01
Sorry, but parents these days dont know how to look after thereselves, never mind bring kids up.

Kids running around in garden centres, restaurants, cinemas etc etc. Heck, 1/2 of P1 kids have tooth decay. As long as their kids aren't bothering them, they dont care! There are no kids in poverty in the UK. People in the UK dont know what poverty is. Being poor now means only having two entertainment mixes with sky, instead of 4!

9

Son of Loki,

The Dark Side 08/06/2008 07:24:17
I leave the land of the living for a few days and come back to more of the rubbish that fails to disguise itself as anything other than oneupmanship.

I thought the point of debate was to have a stance and defend it. But in the Scotsman? Ooooooooooooooooh Nooooooooooooooooooooooo Hand bags at 20 paces and the 'you will listen to what I have to say even though I wont listen to you" brigade

Stay alive people, it's the only way to live

Loki Jnr
10

JT,

08/06/2008 07:30:06
#4 This hasnt happend over night, try the last 20 years where successive governments both tory and labour have systematically got rid of school fields, so kids can run off the execesses of lunches (although how you can call that rubbish shown on friday a proper lunch) therefore they are sluggish and pay not attention to afternoon lessons. They also got rid of funding for community projects and those that are left are running cap in hand beggging each year and thats if they can find people to run the projects, its not rocket science its common sense.Yes there are irresponsible parents who dont care what there children are up to but they are also the ones to complain when they are picked on by social workers or the police.
11

roughrider,

Glasgow 08/06/2008 08:02:40
2 Nikostratos,.
Your comments get more ignorant by the day.
You should see a shrink about your sceptic SNP paranoia.
It will rain tomorrow, it must be the SNP,s fault.
What exactly has westmonster done for Scotland over the last 300 hundred years apart from thieving our resources and taxing us till death?
The union is a farce and must be ended as soon as possible.
For the sake of our childrens future we must get Scotland free of the union noose.
12

The west awake,

Argyll 08/06/2008 08:05:45
Nikostratos and Jade - What a pair of Bengal Lancers you are!
To try to put the blame for findings such as this; "too many Scottish children live in poverty, and many are denied decent health care" on the SNP is staggering. Aye, like this situation has only happened since May last year.
Who do you think you are kidding!!!
Have a drive around the (ex) Labour heartlands in North Lanarkshire, Glasgow and Ayrshire - see what 50 years of Labour rule has done for these poor, neglected people.
You and your ilk have left us with a Herculean job on our hands. If you won't help, at least leave us in peace in starting to do so instead of carping cynical rubbish like your comments above.

Labour - the enemy of Scotland, nothing less.
13

Melly,

Sussex 08/06/2008 08:20:23
One of the richest naions in the world who`s infrastucture has been destroyed by 50 years of Liebour rule. We shoul all be ashamed that we allowed this party to rape our land.
14

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 08/06/2008 08:29:14
#24

I think you have hit the nail on the head. Though succesive Governments have done great harm by reducing the importance of sport and physical activity in schools they have also created an expectation that they are responsible for raising your children.

Parents now have developed an attitude that if there is something wrong with their children then it is the Governments job to fix it.

This is entirely wrong, what children need more than anything else is to spend time with their parents. Rather than spending Sunday Morning sitting around watching the television try taking your kids to the park, or if it's raining to the library.

Time does not cost any money, but it is pricless in making sure your children develope into the kind of people you want them to be.
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Kemoc,

Livingston 08/06/2008 08:45:59
• Adults who are so afraid of being accused of harming or neglecting children that they do not volunteer to work with them, leaving youngsters bored and harming their development;

I had applied with my wife to join the adoption program, having a child of our own we wanted to help some of the children out there that need a stable home and felt that we could provide it. We got past all stages, and had been accepted. The final section was a visit by a social worker to discuss with us our application and answer any questions. She finished the interview by informing us that if ANY reports of assult or abuse where raised by the adopted child we would not only have the adopted child removed, but our own child as well!? Considering the background of some of the kids we where looking into fostering, there was the possibility they could lie just to get attention, and the axe over my head was that my own child would be taken off me if that happened! Does anyone wonder why we are so short of Fostering parents? I would NEVER put my own child in danger just to help another..
16

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 08/06/2008 09:00:44
#30

No, its 3:00pm herein Jakarta and my kids are having a nap after playing all morning with Dad.

Dad is using this time to indulge one of his favorite pass times which is posting his opinion on News Sites.
17

Richard Taylor,

Aberdeen 08/06/2008 09:33:13
What a shocking union dividend...you can only hope more & more people see what the union has(n't) done for us & realise what a bused flush it is.

Traquir an excellent series of posts. The unionist papers can say nothing but they can't hide the truth. More & more Scots can see we were well & truly diddled in the 70s (McCrone report) & now we see that he compiled a report on an oil fund for all our future which, AGAIN, the union rogues hid. Similarly they can ignore the stories about the new potential oil bonanza but the Hootsmon & Herald forget that there are so many other mediums that Scots can source their news from, that the story gets out anyway.
18

Wynn,

CLYDESDALE 08/06/2008 09:39:16
This is typical Scottish COMMENT. Tear into Salmond and company for their inability to turn Wendy-land into Nirvana overnight...and that without changing, breaking or altering anything.
Let's give them the time, consideration and respect we accord to one another when writing these potted philosophies.
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tina clare,

edinburgh 08/06/2008 09:39:50
good news at last my neighbours complained about the kids off all ages playing in the grassy area outside in the communial area they were not doing any harm ie;not smashing windows,spraying etc;but the police came out and said move away cause you MIGHT smash a window,go to the links and the kids said no its full off sex workers/offenders and the police tried to insist that is when the parents stepped in,so result of this is we have to keep our kids indoors incase they just might break a window the police should be out trying to catch actual criminals not kids.
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tina clare,

edinburgh 08/06/2008 09:42:27
i thought the war that all the old people speak off was all about ending dictatorship now some off them are excersising it on the kids,keep scotland FREE.
21

W Smith,

Middle East 08/06/2008 09:53:59
The problem with Scotland is that it gives to many UNELECTED Kathleen Marshalls types a say in how it is governed.

If its not her babbling on its nerds like Ducan McLaren of Friends of the Earth or Ben Elton standing up in the Scottish parliament demanding we legalise drugs!

She is talking absolute rubbish and I guess her real agenda is to enlarge the Social Work Departments to keep the uneducated in cushy jobs.

Its Scottish parents who are 'failing' their children not the government.

I doubt if this women has ever been to a country where there is real poverty eg Pakistan, Vietnam, Indonesia, Mynmar,etc.

Real poverty is when the asian father offers the white tourist his 12 year old daughter for sex, etc, etc.

DEAR 'MS' MARSHALL, YOU REALLY NEED TO GET OUT MORE OFTEN!
22

Calvinist,

08/06/2008 10:06:02
It's difficult to believe that children are treated any worse now than they were treated in the past. The problem with this report is (as reported here) it is that it is anecdotal. I can remember being humiliated daily at school (more than 50 years ago) and given the strap of ten for no apparent reason (I subsequently discovered that I am dyslexic- no doubt I would be treated better today). I can remember that adults in those days had no qualms about giving you a thick ear or a tirade of verbal abuse. Then there was always the proverbial policeman who would tell you to move on. I think the truth of the matter is that we have always treated children in a appalling way. I doubt if this is a problem that is peculiar Scotland.
23

freescot3,

armadale, west lothian 08/06/2008 10:22:54
What authority or mandate does the UN have to tell free nations what "improvements" need made in their societies, and to impose timescales for implementing them? What business is it of theirs?

Answer: none at all. The UN is a bloated, toothless, irrelevant bureaucracy which should have been told to get stuffed long ago.

24

Forward not Back,

08/06/2008 10:35:42
Having recently moved to Australia, the difference in attitude towards children in and out of school is stunning. Here, parents are almost EXPECTED to help in the classroom for the key learnings in Maths and English. They aren't banned from the schoolyard as some schools in Scotland do. Secondly, the grounds that schools have for sports are fantastic. It is no surprise that Australia is a world leader in sport given that there is such a positive focus on it. In Scotland, any open space is immediately designated for housing these days, discouraging open space and discouraging kids from playing outside.

As for voluntary activity, again with parents so actively involved in the school community there is a natural follow-on for all sorts of extra-curricular activity.

It wouldn't take much for Scotland to change its focus. For a start, stop selling the playing fields.

Oh, and if you want to argue about oil, there is an immediate use for it. Buy land back from developers.
25

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 08/06/2008 10:48:02
Now I see why the UN has failed to stop the Genocide in Darfur and the human rights violations in Burma, Zimbabwe, China, etc.

Obviously chastising the Scottish State for not completely taking on the role of parent to all its children is much more important.
26

Miss H,

08/06/2008 11:25:44
39 The answer to that is that the UK signed up to the convention on the rights of the child. They didn't have to do that, they could have joined the handful of states which did not, but having done so the UN has a perfect right to monitor progress.
27

Jack fae Glasgow,

Govan 08/06/2008 11:59:46
Kathleen Marshall, self invented pseudo-academic, made a legend in her own imagination. In case you think that I am being unkind, I challenge Ms Marshal to a martini meeting, anyplace, anywhere, anytime....we can then debate what she has brought to the academic table in children's rights in Scotland, or we can point out what she has destroyed instead.
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fishermans blues,

scotland 08/06/2008 12:37:11
First time I have decided to respond to an article and in this particular case to #37. I agree with your view re unelected representatives such as Kathleen Marshall. Indeed, particularly Kathleen Marshall. She is a classic example of someone who listens to certain views but seems either incapable or unwilling to actually analyse and assess information. Who exactly is she responsible to! Hers is not an evidenced based approach, and she arrives at her conclusions in a manner that discredits her position and research in general.

In regard to your comments about finding jobs for the uneducated, then according to you, I must be one of them. Guilty as charged. I would be delighted if we ever arrive at the day where the minority of parents who let their children down, either through acts of commission or omission, no longer exist. This may leave me unemployed, but content, (even if I am, according to #37 uneducated).

I also believe that if we were to make comparisons with the circumstances for some children in other parts of the world, whether developed, or underdeveloped, then can we fairly say that the situation is as disastrous as claimed.

29

fishermans blues,

08/06/2008 12:41:03
Sorry, in final paragraph, I intended to say that their situation is not as disastrous as claimed.
30

DollyDimple,

08/06/2008 12:50:12
Oh well said Fish (47). Marshall is part of the reason so many irresponsible parents will carry on being irresponsible by bleating constantly about issues like young teenagers being charged with their criminal activities. Marshall's answer is to do nothing with them and blame everyone else.

For some time now we have taken the soft approach and it has gone on for decades. This is the result. We have teachers afraid in school because kids are out of control and the word discipline has been re-defined as a form of child abuse.

There were activities before now for kids: we had youth clubs and all sorts but they died away due to lack of interest. Kids chose instead to go to parks and drink bucky. Of course if their parents knew where they were half the time it would be half the battle but they don't. It isn't everyone else's job to entertain kids, the chief candidates for that responsibility are the parents. Instead kids have computers, tvs/dvd players in their own rooms, some even eat there too, out of the way. Toddlers get planked in front of a tv and a dvd inserted to keep them occupied. Anything for peace for the parents, anything but relate to them, DO things with them.
Yes a lot of shops wont let hordes of teenagers in at lunchtime breaks and why? Because they were stealing things and causing disorder there. Seems reasonable to me. I wouldn't want them in my shop either. Marshall is a lunatic, a PC nutter who thinks everyone else has to do what we're told by the kids. Which is generally how things are in many families now, the kids are in charge. And that's what's gone wrong.
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Urban Guerrilla,

Edinburgh 08/06/2008 13:05:32
Excellent post, DollyDimple. You've neatly summed up everything that's gone wrong in recent decades, bringing us to a state where "the kids are in charge" and the word of a child is always believed against that of an adult.
32

kimba,

08/06/2008 13:22:07
SNP,scotlands disgrace.
33

danbob,

08/06/2008 13:27:57
Agree with Dolly dimple 49# But lets not just look at Scotland, it's all over the UK. I am no fan of the SNP but this one does not lie on their doorstep.
34

subrosa,

08/06/2008 13:28:34
Of course this didn't happen overnight. It started back in the Thatcher era when she closed down all our industry and left so many in the west relying on benefits which were paid for out of the production of our oil.

So we had a generation who became used to benefit living.

There was little to replace our productive industry so these skills started to fall by the wayside and the child who didn't want to go to university had little choice about work. Of course then all our super technical colleges were made universities and that lost a superb further educational system.

So a further generation became to rely on benefits. Meanwhile the do-gooders saw these youngsters had little to do and instead of insisting apprenticeships were reinstated for more modern careers, they insisted youngsters get 'rights'.

So still we have a generation with little way of finding work but they have rights.

Teachers lost the ability to discipline scholars through the 'protection' of these rights and down and down went the moral fibre of Scotland.

Of course other factors come into the equation, drugs etc but we've allowed this to happen and it's going to be a stuggle to regain any values in some young people. Throwing money at the problem isn't the answer. Giving these youngsters time is far more valuable. Showing them the difference between right and wrong, good and bad.

Rant over!
35

danbob,

08/06/2008 13:37:41
Of course Subrosa living in a country that views alchohol as the second coming may play it's part. Unfortunatly Scotland started the concept of latch key kids, Meanwhile the pub trade flourished. You can blame rights and modern ideas but the real responsibility comes down to parents. And that refers to the whole of the UK.
36

subrosa,

08/06/2008 14:01:48
# 54

Yes the responsibility lies with parents. I thought I'd outlined why parents are failing. The causes are not all recent, they are accumulative over years.
37

roughrider,

Glasgow 08/06/2008 14:14:36
55 Salem.
I think Ubendy is doing a great job for the SNP,
she has just been driveling her usual anti scottishness
by saying she DOES NOT WANT THE PEOPLE OF SCOTLAND TO BENEFIT FROM AN OIL FUND. That statement alone should add thousands of votes to the SNP.
Labour are finished in Scotland ,we have had enough of
Liebour scum sucking up to westmonster whilst ignoring Scotland.Ubendy is unelectable, she is a crook and the rest ,Kerr ,curran and co are usless jumped up no brain coonsilors.
You would have to be a retarded cabbage to vote labour.
38

Publius,

Girvan 08/06/2008 14:19:21
Some of the comments on this board are ridiculous, especially #55 Salem's attempt to blame the union.

I saw a woman shpping in Girvan Tesco the other day. She was filling her trolley with lager and crisps at the same time as screaming at a wee girl in a buggie and threatening to belt her. Outside the supermarket I saw her get into a car driven by a a tattooed specimen who looked like a picture of someone the police are anxious to interview. The car has an SNP sticker.
Perhaps #55 Salem could advise us what the SNP will do about this.
39

brownlie,

08/06/2008 16:15:50
58 Publius

You have the unmitigated gall to criticise posts for being "ridiculous" and then post the most ridiculous post I have seen on this subject.

In your tiny little mind you equate a guy with tattoos, whose wife buys lager/crisps and gives a child a row for misbehaving as being typical SNPs supporters.

What a sad person you show yourself up to be!
40

brownlie,

08/06/2008 17:10:00
29 Kemoc

Have just noticed your posting regarding your fear of your child being taken away from you if there was ANY allegation of abuse against you.

Your social worker/link worker did not properly explain the procedures to you in the event of allegations of abuse or if he/she did they did not have a clear understanding of the procedures.

For your own child to be taken from you there would need to be clear and unmistakeable evidence of abuse on your part and the child's uncorroborated allegation would not be sufficient to warrant such drastic action.

I have been a foster carer for many years and you are correct in that children in care do make unsubstantiated allegations.

However, in your own interests and in the interest of potential foster children I would urge you to contact the Children and Families Manager at your local authority to clarify your situation, your responsibilities and those of the local authority.
41

livilion,

livingston 08/06/2008 17:13:04
#58 Publius,Girvan
I've seen tory voters(Govanite Orangemen) wearing black shirts what should we do about that?

#63 AM2,Scotland
Spot on.

I've seen some rabid racist comments on this forum, I do not however automatically relate the hacks at the Scotsman with rabid racism.
The views expressed by the contributor may not represent the views of the management?
42

Nessieinmapants,

Lexington, Kentucky, USA 08/06/2008 17:23:28
I have just emigrated to the US but lived in Inverness and grew up in Fort William I have to say that over here i have not seen any vandalism, hoodies or gangs hanging around outside the local bar or convenience store, there is not gum stuck to the sidewalk everywhere and young people look up to their elders and act with more respect. For all the faults the English like to find with US society I would like to see Scotland adopt a more US style of competitiveness in school, more play areas and events where the young are the centre of attention and praised. Yes people here are religious and it is being abused but people here are nicer and friendlier. Until Scotland grows the balls to kick out the British good riddance to it because it will only ever be the poor unheard north of Britain. P.S. The BBC in America are every bit as pro England as they are over there Scotland doesn't exist according to BBC America it's all England this and England that...

Come on Scotland be free and join the rest of the world at the adults dinner table.
43

livilion,

livingston 08/06/2008 17:34:33
Perhaps the first step in reducing the climate of distrust would be to teach children about their responsibilities as members of their community before telling them no-one can touch them and that even raising a voice in anger constitutes an assualt.

My brother had the police at his door after giving his 14 year old daughter a telling off for staying out all night without saying where she was going.

The greatest sanction it appears schools today can use is to give wayward pupils 'a holiday' exclusion from school for bad behaviour.

Our little darlings are not being equiped to deal with the real world by being driven to and from school where they should be playing, getting into fights, falling over and skinning their knees.
They should be learning that their actions have repercussions on others and to themselves.

Kids are dying on the streets, either crossing the road, taking illegal drugs or by taking out knives and guns largely because they have no concept of their own mortality or responsibilties.

That is where we are failing them, wrapping them in cotton wool.
44

fishermans blues,

08/06/2008 17:43:18
Well done AM2 and Brownlie for injecting some intelligence and reality into a discussion that was becoming increasingly ridiculous. In my day to day dealings with parents who present difficulties, I can assure you that the issue of their political persuasion is a non-issue. A start may be to consider how well our hard earned money is spent within the public sector. I increasingly come across people who have job titles that explain nothing as to their purpose and they appear to spend their time writing unnecessary policies, procedures etc, or stating the obvious to an increasingly discontent audience. Lets give the tax payer value for money, and this will be a move in the right direction.
45

Urban Guerrilla,

Edinburgh 08/06/2008 19:03:23
#67, > Perhaps the first step in reducing the climate of distrust would be to teach children about their responsibilities as members of their community before telling them no-one can touch them and that even raising a voice in anger constitutes an assualt. <

Ah, but children don't have "responsibilities". They only have rights and privileges.

The only consolation is that one day they'll be adults themselves!
46

Publius,

Girvan (about to set off for London) 08/06/2008 19:50:45
my #58
Minor error pointed out by ma. It wasn't Tesco we saw the mother shouting at her daughter. It was Asda. All supermarkets look the same to me, but it my ma says it was definitely Asda. She gets her messages there, so should know.
Now down to Dumfries, Gretna, the motorways and London.
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lulach mac gille coemgain,

Back to School 08/06/2008 20:12:28
Scotland: a nation failing its children ?

Is it the case that when it suits the Scotsman and when there is something negative to be said about Scotland this publication is quick to add the ‘Scotland’ badge and if there is something positive it would be a ‘British’ nation ?

Where does the Bad Britain begin and Good Scotland end ?

Or are the Scotsman staff now accepting it as time to recognise Scotland as a Nation in need of complete self governance or do they feel that Westminster could best fix this problem - perhaps by sending 750 asylum seekers to Turnhouse Airport - that should help things !

 

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