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Published Date: 07 November 2008
THE United States yesterday presented Iraq with its "final text" of a pact allowing US forces to remain in the country, but Iraq wanted more talks.
The deal, which will replace a United Nations Security Council mandate, would allow US troops to stay for three more years. It appeared to have been agreed until Iraq demanded changes last month.

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  • Last Updated: 06 November 2008 11:00 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Iraq
 
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Postmark-55,

China, 07/11/2008 05:57:28
Let's hope that Obama recognizes that the US is involved in an illegal war and occupation of Iraq and that he starts pulling troops out by January 21st of 2009 and that there's full troop withdrawal ASAP and the same goes for the situation in Afghanistan where the American and NATO troops have absolutely no business of being.
It would be so nice if a superpower would invade the USA and then we could listen to their bellyaching and bitching, all falling on deaf ears.
And let's hope that the war criminal George W. Bush and the guilty members of his Administration get tried for war crimes. Just like what happened to Saddam Hussein and his members of cabinet. First an illegal invasion of the USA and then a trial for the henchmen led by Bush.
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The wilkman,

Isle of Skye 07/11/2008 11:28:06
That's rather ominous, given that China is one of very few other candidates for super-power status in the world today. What is illegal and not illegal in international relations is unfortunately not as clear as it might be. But whether it was illegal or not, the US war on Iraq has proved to be wrong. Pulling out without internal security in Iraq nose-diving again might not be so easy, let's hope Obama's men will find a way of squaring that circle. In Afghanistan the US are fighting a force that did attack the US (the Taliban). They are there with the approval of the wee bit government that Afghanistan has, and that government has a strong democratic mandate though that doesn't give it much control in a country run by local tribal leaders involved in the world's largest, illegal trade. If the US wasn't there, and if Muslims in western China were being radicalised from there, and if the tide of narcotics that flows out of Afghanistan turned more towards China, don't you think that China might decide to intervene? Or do you think China would never cross it's borders to deal with a perceived threat? Vietnam, just after the Americans left?
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Postmark-55,

China, 07/11/2008 12:54:02
#2 The wilkman,
True, China did cross into Vietnam, settled the matter within a few weeks time and there have been no problems since.
It still isn't clear as to who was behind the 9-11 attacks but the US played on the hearts of the allies at that time to sucker them into a war with the Taleban in Afghanistan and then shifted gears and illegally invaded Iraq under the false pretense of Iraq possessing weapons of mass destruction, weapons that to this day have not been found and they've had 5 and a half years to find them since they illegally invaded Iraq.
On the whole China isn't known for stepping outside of its own borders but rather keeps or tries to keep its house in order.
We also don't push Communism on anyone that isn't within our borders but the US is guilty of trying to shove their twisted form of Democracy down everybody's throats, but nobody wants it, so I hope that Obama realizes this and does the right thing and ends these wars as quickly as possible.
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The wilkman,

Isle of Skye 07/11/2008 14:11:09
Leaving again in a few weeks wouldn't have had anything to do with the success of Vietnam's resistance? As I understand it there was a major rethink about the role of China's armed forces after that shock.

"""It still isn't clear as to who was behind the 9-11 attacks ... """
It's quite clear. Massoud even warned the US of the outlines of the plan - why those warnings didn't lead to US preventative action should be examined (though I guess it was incompetence rather than conspiracy.) The 9.11 attack was conducted by the irregular Arab forces the US created to fight Russia in Afghanistan. These were inextricably linked with the Taleban regime that had got control of most of Afghanistan with the help of these Arabs. These Arabs saw the US and Europe as enemies as surely as they had hated Russia. And don't doubt that if they (with all the Pakistanis, Uighgar, Chechen, Philipino, Indonesian, etc nutcases they've recruited since) saw off the US and Europe they would turn on India and/or China later. All non-fundamentalist-Muslim societies are their enemies.

 

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