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Published Date: 03 November 2008
POLLS presented contradictory results across the United States last night, with evidence that John McCain is closing with Barack Obama ahead of tomorrow's presidential election.
Mr Obama's ten-percentage-point national lead has been halved, and Mr McCain has crept ahead in some swing states.

On paper, the Democratic candidate is still heading for a landslide victory, with leads in half a dozen key states – but those leads are narrowing fast and some others have disappeared.

In Ohio, perhaps the most analysed swing state of all, Mr McCain has a two-point lead, according to one poll, while another gives the state to Mr Obama by six points.

And Missouri, which has voted with the winning candidate in every election bar one for 100 years, is now tied.

The Republican is publicly confident he can punch through the remaining barrier today when he begins a series of seven speeches in seven key states.

Last night, Mr McCain told a rally in Pennsylvania: "I know momentum when I see it. I can sense the enthusiasm and the momentum in these last 48 hours. We're going to win this race, my friends."

Pat Buchanan, who has been an adviser to three Republican presidents, said: "He (McCain] can do it, but it is a long, long, long shot."

Mr Obama's task is to win enough states to gather at least 18 more electoral college votes than the Democrats achieved in 2004 – thus reaching or passing the 270 needed to claim the White House. On paper he will get there comfortably, with former Republican states Colorado, Florida, Iowa, Nevada, New Mexico, North Carolina and Virginia all favouring him.

But only Iowa and New Mexico seem solidly in his camp, and if the rest slide back to supporting Mr McCain, it would leave Mr Obama off target by six electoral college votes.

Mr McCain, meanwhile, is on the offensive in the Democratic state of Pennsylvania, with polls showing Mr Obama's lead there has shrunk to between three and seven points. If the 21 electoral college votes of this state go to the Republican, Mr Obama's task will become harder still.

Both campaigns unleashed a final wave of negative advertisements at the weekend.

Republicans have begun to call millions of Democrat voters, playing a recording of a speech Hillary Clinton gave during her primary battle with Mr Obama.

"Senator McCain will bring a lifetime of experience to the campaign," said Mrs Clinton, in comments made as she fought for the Democratic nomination. Republicans hope Mrs Clinton's words will resonate with the one-third of her blue-collar supporters, particularly in Pennsylvania, who told pollsters last summer that, after she lost the primary election to Mr Obama, they planned to switch parties and vote for Mr McCain.

Meanwhile, the Obama campaign is flooding the airwaves with an advertisement pounding on its theme that Mr McCain promises to continue the policies of the discredited Bush administration.

"If you want to know the real John McCain," it says, "look behind you."

But with so much conflicting information, pundits are being cautious.

John Fund, of the Wall Street Journal, said: "The biggest surprise will be how close it will be. He (Obama] has been characterised as a front-runner for so long that he is quasi-incumbent; it has become a referendum on Barack Obama."

Mr Obama added a new twist to his campaign yesterday, appearing in Ohio alongside singer Bruce Springsteen, a man who is a legend among the blue-collar white Democrats.

The Illinois senator fought back against claims by his rival that he plans to raise taxes. "All I'm talking about is going back to the tax rates under Bill Clinton," he said. "A tax cut for 95 per cent of the population, that may be the first bill I introduce."

And in a surprise comment, he declared that his rival might yet be employed in a future Obama administration.

"I would certainly consider John McCain for any position where I thought he would be the best for the country," he said.

A CNN poll of polls released yesterday suggests Mr Obama is heading for a landslide because he is up six points in Nevada, two in North Carolina and four in Ohio. But the undecided voters in those polls are, respectively, 8 per cent, 4 per cent and 6 per cent – enough to give Mr McCain all three states if they break his way on Tuesday.

How much racism will affect the attitudes of undecided white voters is the great unknown of this campaign, as is whether such racial sentiment will be balanced by what is likely to be a record turnout for Mr Obama by black voters.

Meanwhile, more than a dozen states are braced for chaos as untested voting machines are subjected to unprecedented strain in what is expected to be a record turnout tomorrow.

Similar chaos in Florida in 2000 saw the election result suspended until 12 December, when, after multiple recounts, the US Supreme Court declared that George Bush had won by fewer than 500 votes.


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WITH two days to go in the race for the White House, John McCain set out yesterday on a dizzying campaign charge through three states where victory could yet tip the presidential contest in his favour.

As Democrat Barack Obama focused on Ohio, including an appearance in Cleveland with the singer Bruce Springsteen, Mr McCain was dashing from Pennsylvania to New Hampshire and then Florida.

The 72-year-old former navy fighter pilot, who was held prisoner and tortured by the North Vietnamese, has made up ground in Democratic-leaning Pennsylvania with his appeal to white working-class voters, many of whom supported Mr Obama's primary rival, Hillary Clinton.

"The most important state to watch now is Pennsylvania. We're doing great there," Rick Davis, Mr McCain's campaign manager, said.

The Obama campaign, raising the spectre of George Bush's administration, released a new 30-second television spot highlighting unpopular vice-president Dick Cheney's endorsement of Mr McCain and his running mate, Sarah Palin. An announcer says Mr McCain earned Mr Cheney's support by voting with the White House 90 per cent of the time. "That's not the change we need," the announcer says.

Mr McCain's campaign team responded by noting the issues on which Mr McCain had disagreed with Mr Bush. "It was John McCain who fought vice-president Cheney on Big Oil's energy bill, the administration's wasteful spending and argued for a different, successful course in Iraq, not Barack Obama," a spokesman said.

Mr McCain appeared on this weekend's Saturday Night Live, a satirical television show, to poke fun at his presidential campaign's financial shortcomings and his reputation as a political maverick.

He also made a cameo appearance at the beginning of the show, with Tina Fey reprising her memorable impersonation of Ms Palin.

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  • Last Updated: 02 November 2008 11:41 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: US elections , John McCain
 
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JWW,

Whitburn, West Lothian 03/11/2008 00:54:35
What will be the most important factor in this election?

Foreign policy?

Taxation?

Health care?

The economy?

The company who programmes the software in the electronic voting machines?
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Wally,

by the rivers of babylon (USA) 03/11/2008 01:14:17
One thing that impresses me with the campaigns especially at this late stage is that they focus so much of their resources on 'battleground' states. In those few states there are a whole lot of commercials, people canvassing and personal appearances. but the other states are ignored by comparison.

obama has so much money he's able to do ads everywhere though and this is putting some pressure on mccain in that he must spend to compete even in states he was supposed to win comfortably.

so now before the election both candidates focus incredibly both themselves and their resources on 7-8 states and the rest of us are taken for granted. but after the election everything will be made even because the politicians will then ignore all of us and not just most of us.
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03/11/2008 01:31:03
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03/11/2008 01:56:09
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Dragonhead,

Dalian,China 03/11/2008 01:56:53
There are still far too many unknowns about Obama, which should be known.Too many areas of doubt.Si in Chinese is the character for the number 4! It is a number avoided by 1.3Billion Chinese, as it is also similar to another 'Si'(pronounced 'Suh'),which means 'Death'. Now Obama could be the 44th President of the US, elected on the 4th! Hmmmmm! stupid superstition.
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Virginian,

USA 03/11/2008 02:04:44
Just two Bible passages tell it all.

The first from Daniel 2:20,21 states:

"20-Blessed be the name of God forever and ever,
For wisdom and might are His.

"21-And He changes the times and the seasons;
He removes kings and raises up kings;"


The second passage from Romans 13:1 states:

"1-Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God."

God has a plan and it will not fail.

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Rob Bennett,

Point Piper Australia 03/11/2008 02:12:57
Barack Obama is sitting pretty on 50%, while McCain is teetering on 43%

Obama leads all the way in the final stretch

There's no prize for second place

Losers like Carolyn, Lynne and Sandi are going to be bitterly disappointed?

What is to become of them after the Obama victory?

Will they be deported to Israel?
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03/11/2008 02:35:09
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baffies away,

Rockies 03/11/2008 02:39:43
#6 - I hope you remember this post on Tuesday night. Or wait are you one of these "my god is bigger than your god" types who will twist the result?
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W Smith,

Middle East 03/11/2008 03:06:09
#8
Condi Rice is black!

Many white, church going, americans like her.

Miss that one did you?

The biggest bigot, in the sixties, was Leftie Governor George Wallace (Democrat, Alabama).

He actually stood at the door of a college to stop black students entering the building.

He was voted in by Democrats!

BTW
In WW2, when US warships docked in Australian ports the black servicemen were not allowed to leave the ship!

Thats part of Australia's very white and very racist past.
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W Smith,

Middle East 03/11/2008 03:09:44
Funny how the Obama supporters have forgotten that Obama is a church goer.

So he's a bible basher as well.

Correct?

Nothing dodgy about Reverend Wright, who believes the US government deliberately infected black people with the AIDS virus.
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Laurette,

Carlsbad, California 03/11/2008 05:18:49
W Smith #12

Let me refresh your memory of the Tuskagee Project and you may get the idea of why many blacks think poorly of the Government.

In 1933, the U.S Public Health Service in Macon county, Albama began an investigation to chart the succession of phases syphilis exhibits when left to itself, uncomplicated by other morbid processes and unmolested by active treatment. 399 African-American men with latent syphilis and 201 men without disease were enrolled in the study based on the results of a 1930 venereal diseases control projects survey. This survey had identified Macon County to have the highest prevalance of syphilis of the six southern States examined. The rural setting of Tuskegee - a deprived socioeconomic status,high rates of illiteracy and especially a paucity of medical care - were exploited by the investigators of the syphilis study who led the poor sharecroppers to believe they were being treated for "bad blood," a euphemism for syphilis. The study, which lasted for 40 years included only sporadic clinical reexaminations when a Public Health physician came to Tuskegee and denied the individuals any form of anti-syphilitic therapy. In fact, in 1942 when it was brought to the attention of the then Assistant Surgeon General, Vonderlehr that some of the syphilitic subjects were being called for examination prior to induction into the Armed Forces and were being directed to undergo treatment systematic steps were taken to preserve the investigation. To prevent the draftees from receiving anti-syphilitic treatment, the investigators provided the Macon County Selective Service Board with a list of 256 names of men under the age of 45 years who were to be excluded from the list of draftees needing treatment. The Board agreed to exclude these men. Furthermore, when the modern-era of anti-syphilitc therapy began in 1943 with the introduction of penicillin as an effective drug, the Public Health Service did not use the drug on the Tuskegee participants un
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Laurette,

03/11/2008 05:33:39
#10 Edmond
Who do you think is behind the campaign to mislead voters by phone and leaflets telling them that because of the volume - Republicans can vote on Tuesday and Democrats on Wednesday. Who is sending Private Investigators to target legal Latinos, telling them that their papers are not quite in order and it might be wise to not vote in this election.
It certainly isn't Democrats.
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Pilrig.,

Livingston 03/11/2008 06:24:19
6 - and the plan is revealed ...
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=oHRq80QNnJM
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Michael Stuart,

Stellenbosch 03/11/2008 07:15:18
On balance a win for Obama may be the best for the USA. As US president Barack Obama will be feted throughout the world and negative attitudes towards the US may well change. Obama's career will be proof that in the USA a Black person can win out against the heaviest odds, for example having a White mother and a privileged upbringing. Only joking. What is interesting is the change of (media) attitude towards campaign contributions. Far from the usual outrage at the ludicrous amounts of money spent by the candidates during their campaign, there seems to be acceptance if not downright admiration for the many millions of dollars generated by the Obama camp. Is this an example of some flexibility in the application of Political Correctness to the US political scene?
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Number 6,

Germany 03/11/2008 07:42:40
More complete twaddle. Obama is miles ahead . How many people can there possibly be that still have not made up their minds?. Not many I would suggest.

I forsee a landslide victory for Obama, especially with these latest scare tactics. Let's hope this gets even more Obama supporters into the polling booth.
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eric,

03/11/2008 08:08:04
Thia jesus guy ,Was he not the same colour oops color as obama!
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03/11/2008 08:32:46
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Doh,

03/11/2008 09:44:43


Sounds like the media are desperatley trying to keep the election interesting even though it could be a landslide for Obama.

After this election the media need to address why this election gets more coverage than politics in this country.
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The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

03/11/2008 10:15:30
I would hate to be a US voter right now - this has to be the most uninspiring choice in the history of POTUS elections. Obama is a fraud - a Washington insider who pretends he's the outsider. McCain is no better - his choice of Palin as VP shows how poor his judgement is.
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03/11/2008 10:36:35
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Dragonhead,

Dalian,China 03/11/2008 10:37:26
The saying, "Be careful what you wish for, you may get it",looks as though it might happen too! Obama as President, will be opening Pandora's box in so many ways many who are rabidly supporting him,have not even given a thought about.
It will be interesting a year from now. Why have all the queries on the man not been investigated and made public? Answer?Money talks, it also shuts folk up!
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Dragonhead,

Dalian,China 03/11/2008 10:38:55
...and when the White House becomes "Harlem House" what then chaps?
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03/11/2008 10:50:45
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Let's have the truth,

Queensland 03/11/2008 10:58:57
#25 D'head

"White House becomes "Harlem House"

Now you show your true colours. You'd be more comfortable as a sheriff in the deep south.

Why they accept you in China is a mystery.
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Let's have the truth,

Queensland 03/11/2008 11:00:53
Only a few hours to go and Obama is 11 points ahead.
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03/11/2008 11:02:19
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03/11/2008 11:02:19
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Let's have the truth,

03/11/2008 11:04:47
Let's hope Lon Chaney gives another speech praising McCain and that muscle-bound knucklehead Schwarzenegger again insults Obama.

You are doing wonders for the Democratic cause.
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sandy,

USA Land of the free, Home of the brave 03/11/2008 11:05:28
Supressed news from January 2008, released yesterday.

Many of the 'battleground' states are coal states..


http://www.wvrecord.com/news/215679-coal-official-calls-obama-comments-unbelievable
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03/11/2008 11:12:09
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03/11/2008 11:13:17
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TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 03/11/2008 11:20:30
#6 Virginian from USA

Yet another wacko Bible-thumper from a state world-renowned for inbred imbeciles.

As for Draghead from China

Yet more of his delusional rants. His parents must be VERY proud that they gave birth to a cretin.

All will be revealed on Tuesday and McCain can slink away in the shame he has brought on the Republican party and BabyBush can stay in his secluded Texas compound and ponder on the error of his ways that have been the disgrace of the US of A for eight years.
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Let's have the truth,

Queensland 03/11/2008 11:23:11
#33

"Which rag is still at 11 points?"

....The one that matters. Do your own research, learn something.
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Let's have the truth,

Queensland 03/11/2008 11:25:25
#34

"Don't you have anything nice to say about Obama?"

...I take it from that question you've either been drinking or you've overdosed on your medication.
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03/11/2008 11:38:29
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Silence of the Yams,

03/11/2008 11:57:28
I like how Obama send back his aunts $260 donation but accepts big money from pornographer Terrence Bean. He's a callous elitist! I hope McCain sneaks up and wins! Pray!
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Silence of the Yams,

03/11/2008 12:34:35
Chucked his grandma under a bus - now he's putting his aunt on a plane, that's what I call progress!
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03/11/2008 12:56:59
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Postmark-55,

China, 03/11/2008 13:01:08
Now to the article,
It is painfully obvious that this election will be plagued by Republican fraud, it's the only way they can win and the only reason they held power for the past eight years.
The UN needs to send monitors into the United States of America to guarantee a clean election but that will never happen since the Americans own and rule the UN.
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p.n.f.o.bologna,

Edinburgh 03/11/2008 13:56:05
Now what makes you think that either one of them will actually make any decisions whilst in the white house? They will be the face for the 40million advisors that are employed to do all the work.
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Walter McDermott III,

Aberdeen, Wisconsin 03/11/2008 13:57:16
Of course McCain is making a comeback. It is inevitable that as the date approaches, people are clearly going to trust a decorated war-hero ahead of an unproven african.

The facts are that we as a nation, are not yet ready for a negro president. Maybe in 40 years or so, but not just now. here in Wisconsin, it is unthinkable that this man could enter the White House.

McCain is the man who will keep the islamists at bay - obama is more likely to welcome them aboard.
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p.n.f.o.bologna,

Edinburgh 03/11/2008 14:00:17
What the h*ll does the colour of skin have to do with his ability to do a job? I swear the ignorance of some people is utterly amazing!!!
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Walter McDermott III,

Aberdeen, Wisconsin 03/11/2008 14:13:54
The United States is a very conservative country. Change happens very slowly over here.
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03/11/2008 14:22:54
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03/11/2008 14:25:22
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Liann,

Orange County, California 03/11/2008 14:29:15
People like Walter McDermott the Idiot the III are the reason the United States is in the shape we are today. Closed minds, lack of intelligence and the unbelievable ignorance that allowed them to vote for a second term for Bush in 2004. I think McDermott and Vida Dosa should take all their neo-con friends and move to some island off Alaska. Gov Pea-Brain-Palin can wave at them once in awhile (she has such great eyesight!), that should make them feel safe & comfortable.
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03/11/2008 14:30:17
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SouthernGent,

03/11/2008 14:36:08
#29
"A vote for McCain means a probable assault on Iran in the next 4 years, a vote for Obhama makes this less likely"

Thats one side of the argument. The other is that if Obama wins, Israel will strike Iran before Jan. in order to get backing from Bush, fearing Obama will not back them.

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03/11/2008 14:37:19
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SouthernGent,

03/11/2008 14:41:41
#43
"It is painfully obvious that this election will be plagued by Republican fraud, it's the only way they can win and the only reason they held power for the past eight years"

What a truly biased statement. Maybe you would like to explain why Acorn is currently being investigated by the FBI for voter registration fraud in 12 US States. There will most likely be indictments forthcoming, and the deomocrats at the core.
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SouthernGent,

03/11/2008 14:46:37
#50
"Closed minds, lack of intelligence and the unbelievable ignorance"

You make statements like that and have the audacity to vote for tax increases that will decimate our already poor economy. With the dems in full control of congress, you can bet on many more job losses and inflation. Why in the world would anyone vote to lose their jobs and pay more for just about everything you buy?
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03/11/2008 14:50:08
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SouthernGent,

03/11/2008 14:52:43
#56
A little advice.

Take the high road, and leave the name calling to those with less character or intelligence.
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Laurette,

03/11/2008 14:56:15
Rosie: You apparently don't keep up with the news report of voter intimidation and dirty tricks on the part of the GOP: …

In the hours before Election Day, as inevitable as winter, comes an onslaught of dirty tricks — confusing e-mails, disturbing phone calls and insinuating fliers left on doorsteps during the night.
The intent, almost always, is to keep folks from voting or to confuse them, usually through intimidation or misinformation. But in this presidential race, in which a black man leads most polls, some of the deceit has a decidedly racist bent.
Complaints have surfaced in predominantly African-American neighborhoods of Philadelphia where fliers have circulated, warning voters they could be arrested at the polls if they had unpaid parking tickets or if they had criminal convictions.
Over the weekend in Virginia, bogus fliers with an authentic-looking commonwealth seal said fears of high voter turnout had prompted election officials to hold two elections — one on Tuesday for Republicans and another on Wednesday for Democrats.
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Virginian,

USA 03/11/2008 15:03:01
#8 Rob Bennet

"God has a plan all right and that plan certainly doesn't involve supporting the war criminal republican party or the likes of you, you bible bashing bigot."

Answer:

That's "bible THUMPING bigot" to you.

Rob, you are the "bible bashing bigot" and have mixed your trite radical-left insults.

I could not resist the temptation of "casting pearls [of Biblical wisdom] before swine" to give you the opportunity to turn and trample them...just like the Bible says you would do.

You are perfectly predictable!
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ScotLJM,

Richmond 03/11/2008 15:03:30
I can think of many African-Americans I would not object to being President, however, Barack Obama is not one of them. It is not the color of his skin, that is irrelevant, but WHO he is...too inexperienced to run the country, too radical, with past, present and future extremely undesirable individuals, he consorts with. He is everything a President should not be. There are white people voting for him, that fifty years ago, would have harmed him for merely using a white-only bathroom. It is insane.
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Virginian,

USA 03/11/2008 15:19:48
John McCain, God willing, will win this election.

The polls haven't asked the "moral values" voters who they will vote for.

This is the old "silent majority" voters that haven't disappeared.

They will just get into the voting booth and vote their conscience for the moral candidate, John McCain.

The United States is still a Christian nation despite propaganda to the contrary.

We can hardly wait to get to the polls tomorrow and vote FOR McCain and AGAINST Obama.
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SouthernGent,

03/11/2008 15:23:37
#58
"Over the weekend in Virginia, bogus fliers with an authentic-looking commonwealth seal said fears of high voter turnout had prompted election officials to hold two elections — one on Tuesday for Republicans and another on Wednesday for Democrats."

This country has been voting on the first tuesday after the first monday in Nov since 1845. Anyone, regardless of party, that falls for this ploy probably should not be voting in the first place.

Unfortunately, many in this country should not be allowed to vote, as they have no clue what the issues are and think they are voting for the "American idol" or "Mr Universe".

And no, I don't believe everyone is entilted to vote. Ignorance is not allowed as a defense in a court of law, yet voting by same is allowed.
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Lianachan,

Highlands 03/11/2008 15:30:53
God help the world if that doddering old war lover gets in.
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Lianachan,

Highlands 03/11/2008 15:47:41
#59 "Biblical wisdom" is a contradiction in terms, like "military intelligence". What America could really do with is a president who is openly atheist. I can't see such a person gathering many votes, sadly.
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Wally,

by the rivers of babylon (USA) 03/11/2008 15:50:39
http://www.electoral-vote.com/

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/11/2/224540/031/473/650417

mccain has made a surge measured in many polls. but in some very significant polls obama is still up by 8 or more points. electoral college 353-185 with 1 day left.

however, it is also true that some polls have showed it to be a close race. it is possible that the story-line for a mccain victory would be that the polling was wrong.

remember what happened in the last major election of 2004

http://www.cpeo.org/lists/military/2004/msg00968.html

a subtle reminder that the US has the tools to subjugate the domestic population. there is a massive police apparatus in the domestic US. It has by far the most extensive system of prisons in the world. Including unoccupied open-air camps fit for immediate use as prisons for rebellious portions of the population. Since 2001 the US has passed laws facilitating harsh treatment of protesters. During the last 10 years when people protest in the domestic US they are treated very badly. The US police state is fully capable of dealing with any public protests if people don't like Tuesday's results.
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Virginian,

USA 03/11/2008 15:53:47
#58 SouthernGent

"Ignorance is not allowed as a defense in a court of law, yet voting by same is allowed."

Answer:

Southern Gent, good point!

These illegal voting tactics are identical to those employed by the carpetbaggers in the South during Reconstruction.

In Arkansas during Reconstruction the Federal troops overseeing an election had two voting ballot boxes with padlocks on them.

The previously stuffed ballot box that the Federal troops had filled was the one counted to give the election to their man.

The second ballot box with the real votes cast by the Southern citizens turned up in the attic of the courthouse many years later when repairs were done on the roof.

Voter fraud during Reconstruction was the only way the radical carpetbaggers could get the necessary black votes to stay in office.

Voter fraud by dishonest radicals is nothing new, and it doesn't need fancy voting machines.

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Alan B,

03/11/2008 15:58:36
Neither candidate is very inspiring.

Obama is too full of empty reteric. Changes his mind too ofter depending on who he is talking too and is the ultimate populist. When he was first mentioned many outside the US thought he would take a fairer line on the middle east issues round palestine and israel. The US policy to support Israel right or wrong is very damaging. However he has been seen to cosy up to the US jewish lobby turing his back on his apparent beliefs. A president so obviously bought and sold is very detrimental.

I was also turned of from Obama with his anti Nafta reteric. Alteast with McCain he supported Nafta despite it not being the populist position. It is important politicians actually explain the the people the need for the free market and not push the economically illerate protectionism.

It was made worse by Obama aides telling the Canadians that he was just lying for public consumption. That a politician can get away with such behaviour during a presidential campaign suggests the alternatives are very poor.

Having said that i will support Obama for president, in the hope that the guy will be a better president than he is letting on. ie he is just playing the political games necessary to get elected in the US. Palin is completely mental and should be nowhere near the levers of power. Although Obamas similar reteric in invading packistan and iran were almost as bad.

Obama will be received better in the world community and will allow the US to recover it reputation better. Rightly or wrongly the republicans are viewed a slightly nutty in the rest of the world.

Also given 2 poor option being black is important for the US show that it can lead the world in dealing with racial issues.
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Wally,

by the rivers of babylon (USA) 03/11/2008 16:02:08
virginian, I agree with you in #6.

it follows that our elections are foolish and vain. As your daniel 2:21 identifies, it is not us who raises up the political powers or pushes them down.

I will vote on tuesday, many will not based on my reasoning above. but I'm not so foolish to think that it will have more of an impact than for me to just humbly ask that our nation might be used for purposes not our own.

I have supported Obama. but I must admit the phrase 'obama-nation' does not have a good ring. I think the book daniel speaks of an abominatin and it is not a pleasant thing.

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Cauchy Riemann,

Wales 03/11/2008 16:11:27
#8 Rob Bennett
I don't know what point #6 was trying to make, but your reply is simply unintelligent and amazingly demonstrates what you accuse #6 of. Why can't people make rational points instead of attempting to scream insults at others?
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Sandi,

San Diego 03/11/2008 16:12:06
#2 Wally,

Agree!

We watched Obama become the Democratic nominee by fraud, cheating, bullying, intimidation. These used to be "strategies" used by the Republican party, but this year it's the Dems and Obama doing it. Why would the general election be any different?
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Quiet John,

Tinley Park 03/11/2008 16:16:13
This is a close one, but from here it looks like McCain is going to win.
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Donasdhu,

Groveland, CA 03/11/2008 16:51:59
One has to wonder where the writer is getting his information. Senator Obama is ahead of his opponent and his lead is increasing especialy in western states like Colorado, New Mexico and even Montana. Pennsylvania and Virginia are also in the bag.

Look forward to a big victory for barak and the Dems!
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Virginian,

USA 03/11/2008 17:09:22
Obama and his radical supporters had better hope and pray that he does NOT win.

Volunteers in every state will be more than willing to go through the voter registration lists with a fine-tooth comb to find every fraudulent voter and have them prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

The FBI is already after ACORN and there will be a lot of people going to jail for a very long time.

Wonder how many times Obama's Aunti and Uncle have voted already?

Seeing that they are illegal aliens who have been living on taxpayer welfare for the last two years, they should be arrested for immigration crimes as well as welfare fraud.

How many other illegal aliens have also voted?

The "chads" controversy in Florida will be nothing to Obama's voter fraud scandal if Obama does steal the election.

President Bush could very well stay in office for many months until the election results are verified.

Obama might want to vote for McCain to save himself and his supporters a world of woe.
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USA Texan,

Houston, TX 03/11/2008 18:06:03
You can steal a close election as Bush did in 2000 but you can't steal a landslide.
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Pilrig.,

Livingston 03/11/2008 19:11:44
61 - Jesus wants you for a sunbeam
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Pilrig.,

Livingston 03/11/2008 19:16:18
62 - "I don't believe everyone is entitled to vote"
I suppose you are ?

How endearingly fascist !
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Pilrig.,

Livingston 03/11/2008 19:17:43
74 - conspiracy theorist.
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Helter Skelter,

03/11/2008 19:24:25
Is John Mcain responsible for oven chips ?
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SouthernGent,

03/11/2008 19:29:59
#77
If you can't see the logic in that statement, then you are probably part of the problem instead of the solution.
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Media 1,

cape town 03/11/2008 19:32:21
Bomb Bomb McCain - Goodbye to you and your terrorist friend Mr Bush - Now perhaps the world will find out where the Bush camp has been hiding Osama Bin Laden and why...
It would not surprise me if Osama was found dead somewhere in the next week.
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SouthernGent,

03/11/2008 19:33:29
#68
"I have supported Obama"

Is it not hypocritical of you to post your religious rants on these boards and then openly support a man that believes in killing innocent babies? He even supports the "extermination" of babies that may have survived an abortion attempt yet came into this world alive. By any definition, thats murder.
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White Jamaican,

USA 03/11/2008 19:41:05
Obama's the spokesperson for "change", he sure is...just look how his policies have changed in his two-year campaign...Taxes, from 250,000 to the latest 120,000...on immigration- let's give them driver's licenses and back social security, but get rid of my alien aunt...Yeah clean coal!-to, I'll bankrupt the coal industry...rural America clings to religion, I'm a Christian (where the basis of Christianity is to put everything into God's hands- he is who we turn to for guidance and faith)...this guy is full of nonsense.
I find it utterly flabbergasting that many democrats, find all of his flaws- ties to radicalism, voter fraud, and campaign fraud to be a coincidence...please! He thinks he is God's gift to the world, as proven by his T-shirts sold at rallies stating "In Obama we Trust"- trust me Barry-O, we don't trust you, not a single word!
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billengland,

03/11/2008 19:58:56
There are only a few points between them. My money is on McCain - rather the devil you know - better for the USA in this post-Bushco mess.
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D. Feste - Illyria, OH,

03/11/2008 20:03:24

Re: Christian / Capitalist Dilemma - Yikes !

I would like to thanks our friend the "Virginian" for pointing out a basic dilemma facing all American Christians, particularly at this political juncture.

Christians have two basic choices; voting in accordance with their Christian faith of sharing and concern for the welfare of their fellow man. . . OR. . .
voting in the interests of their American heritage and
capitalist / Darwinistic economic system.

The "FAITH" vote casts selfish, profit-centered concerns aside. . . while the "PATRIOT" vote betrays the basic beliefs of Christian sharing and compassion.

This has always been the paradox of our American / Christian heritage. . . which way to go ?

Sharing or Profit ?

Sharing . . . or personal gain ?

MINE. . . or OURS ?

"Damned if you do". . . etc.







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USA Texan,

Houston 03/11/2008 20:05:33
We are not a "Christian" nation. We are a nation of Christians (of many persuasions), Jews, Muslims, Hindus,
and many others, including atheists and agnostics. None of which should be pushing their religious or political views on the others.
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Brideun,

Culloden 03/11/2008 20:24:42
If McClain loses I do hope that there will be no looting and rioting by his supporters, fortunately this is unlikely as the Republicans are not bad losers.
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SouthernGent,

03/11/2008 20:32:57
#87
I wish the same could be said the other way around.
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baffies away,

Rockies 03/11/2008 20:44:42
Virginian - I see you have started the blame exercise already, cant accept that a majority disagree with you eh? And as for voter fraud, would that include the Rupublicans trying to have hundreds of legitimate voters struck off the Colorado voters roll, of course, god wanted that didnt he....
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LatinLover,

03/11/2008 21:03:54
Again, The race is not over. By the way, #14, there are just as many if no more Obama guys fooling around in the campaign (remember those thousands of fraudulent Acorn registrations? and the kid that was shocked by the wired/electrified McCain's sign he was trying to steal. And for those who haven't seen the news the last 2 days (we have a little problem with the liberal media editing and withholding damaging information against Obama, see these.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hdi4onAQBWQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJ55UzAsp6M
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USA Texan,

Houston 03/11/2008 21:55:11
ACORN was in charge of registering voters not casting votes. Some overzealous individuals actually registered dead people to meet their quota. BUT those dead people are not going to the polls.
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SouthernGent,

03/11/2008 22:18:35
#91
Acorn is being investigated because their "overzealous individuals" actually mention Obama's name to get people to sign up, which is against the law.
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Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 03/11/2008 22:38:41
Among other things.. ACORN has also forged the name of at least 1 woman, whose family complained to the elction board. They will be investigated for that also. No one knows for sure how many of those forged absentee ballots are being processed.
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georgia,

somewhere outside chicago 03/11/2008 22:42:11
Since I am a steadfast committewoman for the precinct, I am going now to pick up some pizzas and pop for the scores of volunteers who will be working until they can't work anymore, just to get Barack Obaman elected! I am looking forward to seeing them, because in them I see the future of America - a re-energized nation which can identify and solve its problems together....I am going to feed a bunch of "happy warriors" who have been giving of their time and money and the sweat of their brows in the pursuit of something they believe in, and the success tomorrow of someone they really believe in....

Neocons, please don't try to turn the cheating tables on us, because we have taped evidence of what was done when Florida tried to recount, and other evidence of other wrongdoing. You have only finger-pointing and insinuation and innuendo to keep you going....

As for ACORN, you wouldn't know an acorn if it hit you on the head from the mighty oak tree. But I will tell you this, that when the wheels of destiny start grinding up the last eight years, you will all know the true meaning and implication of the old adage: "the wheels of the gods grind slowly, but they grind EXCEEDINGLY fine." Good luck to George W. Bush in the future. He will be lucky to get life in prison for numerous acts of inhumane treatment (with his knowledge and permission) and human rights violations that will tingle your scalps.....

Good night, and a pleasant election to all of you....
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SouthernGent,

03/11/2008 22:50:25
#94
"who have been giving of their time and money and the sweat of their brows in the pursuit of something they believe in"

You may want to tell them to slow down a little because if they try too hard they will end up having to give what they earn to Nancy and the gang.

As for Acorn, I doubt the FBI would get involved over "nothing". Denial does not make it right.
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Laurette,

Carlsbad, California 03/11/2008 22:51:02
#74 Virginian

Despite all their accusations, even the McCain campaign admit they can't make the voter fraud claim stick:
For weeks, Republican leaders have warned that widely reported problems with fake voter registrations could result in a flood of phony votes in pivotal states.
But Ronald Michaelson, a veteran election administrator and member of the McCain-Palin Honest and Open Election Committee, said in an interview that he could not name a single instance in which this had occurred.
“Do we have a documented instance of voting fraud that resulted from a phony registration form? No, I can’t cite one, chapter and verse,” he said.
Which makes their accusations a form of fraud in its own right, doesn't it? One that's been falsely used to fuel "Republicans’ invocation of legal power to scrutinize voters, demands for U.S. Justice Department intervention and court orders, and criminal investigations."
But make no mistake - if the Republican's can't steal the election through voter suppression and voting irregularities they'll use that failure as an excuse to accuse Democrats of stealing it. The McCain campaign and Republicans have already trotted out dozens of excuses but there's only one reason McCain will lose - Obama is the better man for the job.
And if McCain should win this election - let's all pray that he stays healthy. The thought of Palin as President curdles my blood.
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Carolyn 1,

Woods Hole, Massachusetts 03/11/2008 23:04:23
I am psychologically prepared to face defeat.

There are so many Obama signs where I live, I could pave the road out of town.

This has all happened in the past week: as I drive out of town, one by one, McCain/Palin signs appear, and then within miles of Obamatown, the McCain/Palin signs are plastered in front of every business, along back roads and main roads!

Living in the Socialist Republic of Taxachusetts I have mastered speaking in secrecy and code- only to learn everyone I know is voting McCain.

Pretty crazy thinking really.
But if Republicanism can spike way up in The One State of Fifty that Voted Democrat for McGovern, it makes me think McCain and Palin are more popular in Pennsylvania than polling shows!!

Looks like the Taxachusetts, home to Aunti Tunie, is going to pass a referendum to legalize MJ and who knows, if we get lucky we'll throw out state income tax!!
maybe the state is going Libertarian:))
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Carolyn 1,

Woods Hole, Massachusetts 03/11/2008 23:22:47
@74 Virginian
Massachusetts doesn't require an ID to vote. I'm sure Auntie Tunie will get her free vote along with her free housing, food and medical care, despite her illegal alien status.

The Great State of Virginia produced Thomas Jefferson and George Washington.
Tomorrow we'll see if Virginia's votes keeps the country as they envisioned it, or if we set course to a new, never before charted, Marxist society.
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Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 03/11/2008 23:24:14
Obama's grandmother died between 4 & 5 AM on Monday, November 3.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/11/03/obamas_grandmother_dies.html

his mother died early from a terminal disease. his father died in kenya after severe persecution from the kenyan government. his grandmother died the day before he is likely to be elected president of the US.

Obama was speaking in florida today and said he was in ohio by mistake. perhaps he'd already learned that his grandmother had died. and then in mid-afternoon this story is released, day before election.

and then mccain had only 1,000 people show up to a campaign rally in Tampa, Florida. things smell bad for mccain.

just as moses was not allowed to cross over into the promised land, it appears that obama's grandmother has been similarly stopped.
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Wally,

Psalm 137 (USA) 03/11/2008 23:32:14
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XsapoD5zk4

here's fox news clip on mccain only getting 1,000 people at a campaign event in tampa. and bush got 15,000 at the same place in 2004. thats the thing, compare today's polls to pre-2004 election. the deck seems stacked very much against mccain.
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Carolyn 1,

Woods Hole, Massachusetts 03/11/2008 23:54:41
Palin draws huge crowds, and she does it without a free concert and without the soaring rhetoric that she will part the seas.
Palin talks policy, and the crowds line up for miles to hear it.
That's the difference between substance and style. Middle America loves substance. The elites have no idea what is is.
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Let's have the truth,

Queensland 03/11/2008 23:59:58
#101 Carolyn 1

"Palin talks policy"

....Foreign policy with Canadian comedians....

No wonder crowds turn up to see her. She's the best comedy act since Charie Chaplin.
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Virginian,

USA 04/11/2008 00:23:47
#98 Carolyn1

"The Great State of Virginia produced Thomas Jefferson and George Washington."

"Tomorrow we'll see if Virginia's votes keeps the country as they envisioned it, or if we set course to a new, never before charted, Marxist society."

Answer:

The United States was no longer as Washington and Jefferson envisioned it at the end of the War Between the States in 1865.

Virginia and the other states in the Confederate States of America were fighting to maintain the Constitution as originally designed, but they were defeated in this second American Revolution.

A Marxist-leaning, centralized government that dictates to the states is the sorry legacy of the radical Republicans under Lincoln.

Virginians and other true Americans will never allow the United States to become a Marxist society without a third American Revolution if need be.

True Virginians will vote for John Sidney McCain, III.

This election is in God's hands just as Governor Palin has stated several times.





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weary observer,

Wisconsin USA 04/11/2008 00:49:56
If Mr. Obama is such a 'Christian,' how is it that he consistently votes for killing unborn babies, even those who might just make it out alive?

He says he 'became a Christian.' Most pagans who convert to Christianity take a Christian name upon Baptism, unless that church he attended doesn't believe in Baptism, in which case it is not a Christian church at all. Which explains all the race hating and race baiting that comes out of that horrid preacher's mouth.

For my money, Obama is a dyed in the wool Marxist - perhaps the prediction will at last come true: We will take your country without firing a shot!.

Obviously, he doesn't get MY vote.
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Lanna,

04/11/2008 01:04:13
#105 Virginian,
I agree with you about States' rights, and the dramatic change (in central. gov.) following the North's victory.

Have you seen this...
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=29181
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James Donald,

Newbridge 04/11/2008 10:23:27
#106 weary observer,Wisconsin USA - "For my money, Obama is a dyed in the wool Marxist" - This is very much a minority view on this side of the Atlantic, possibly because we have a better perception of what a "dyed in the wool Marxist" is (and such people are few and far between in US politics).
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Number 6,

Germany 04/11/2008 14:21:00
106 Obama a "Dye in the wool Marxist". That's a pretty firm statement. What are the indications of his fanatical Marxism ?.
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Carolyn 1,

04/11/2008 14:56:23
I think Obama is a marxist, at least to the extent that the government allows it.
Investor's Business Daily(IBD) has published various articles in the past year examining Obama's record and policy, including Ayers speech and interviews.

Obama and Ayers education platform and direction that he supported with the Annenberg board is Black Liberation Theology- Marxist, and to me, the most dangerous of his many socialist agenda, because it indoctrinates at the root.

To understand Obama you have to read Thomas Sowell. It's then you can understand more honestly the evolution of America in the past 50 years, an evolution that is unqiue to America.
Sowell is an esteemed economist who writes for Investors Business Daily, etc. Thomas Sowell is brilliant, he's also black. He talks about earning success and lifting up minorities without affirmative action. It's why his insight is so valuable.


http://www.ibdeditorial.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=309049794517352

http://www.ibdeditorial.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=295831088444972&kw=obama,marxism
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Carolyn 1,

04/11/2008 23:08:59
@112

Hegelian?
"When we remain locked into dialectical thinking, we cannot see out of the box."
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Carolyn 1,

05/11/2008 14:21:47
My mistake. I should have remembered that someone who has no concept of God, can't reason the philosophy of God and godless.
Marxism and Christianity are opposites, and because they can't exist simultaneously within one identity, they are diametrically opposed.

Hence, in reference to that antithesis, I summarized with 'Hegelian Dialectic'.

I did NOT say Christianity is rooted in indoctrination or indoctrinates at the root, because it doesn't in the way you infer and I did not say Sarah Palin is indoctrinated by her non-denominational church. Any such a conclusion would be absurd.
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L. Bannerman,

The Bronx 19/07/2009 04:12:01
McCain tried to buy the election by using Sarah Palin and did that really flop. Thank God he never won the election.

 

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