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paulmac,

surrey 21/08/2008 00:37:31
And Kenny Miller still got boooed!
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paulmac,

surrey 21/08/2008 01:11:27
#2

Rearrangers elimination was for the best....after Aalborg beat cccconess 2-0 in the first leg...
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Jam Tarts 1874,

On the Rebound 21/08/2008 01:36:08
#3. No it wasn't. McGregor saved by getting a 50/50 decision on which way to go correct. Banks saved by having awesome reflexes.

I have almost lost count of the errors that McGregor has made even over the past few games, including giving away tonights penalty!
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monkey man,

21/08/2008 01:37:09
The Northern Ireland fans were magnificent as usual tonight. I'd like to apologise to them on behalf of all genuine Scots for the racism and bigotry shown to them by the Timberland Tossers in see-you-jimmy wigs from the back of Invernowhere who seem to infest the Scottish support these days and embarrass themselves by booing the opposition's national anthem before kick-off.
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Keyboard supporter,

21/08/2008 01:44:04
# 6 - If only they had booed our own anthem then they could have drowned out the Ex Corrie. Utterly painful to watch and someone wants to have a word with the powers that be to end this parochial pash.
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Leon,

21/08/2008 01:51:21
Gibbons!

Go back to journalism school and read Daryl Broadfoot.

Different game? No superior knowledge understanding, insight and basic journalistic skills.

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Leon,

21/08/2008 01:54:57
number 6 - the national anthem is God Save the Queen - boo it at every given opportunity!!

Bad enough that it covered in blood from every corner of the earth it is a sectarian tag-on for the majority of NI supporters!
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GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

21/08/2008 02:17:06
#6 Scotland even booed God Save the Queen when it was played for their own team at rugby and football - hence its replacement. I associate the ditty with Rangers as it's the only time we hear it here - wonder what they'll do when Scotland's independent? They won't be able to use the "it's our flag so we've a right to wave it" excuse. On a side note, I wish we could have Scotland the Brave as the anthem - much more upbeat.

#8 Spot on. I don't think Gibbons is a Burley fan - even his match preview was a bit negative.
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Leon,

21/08/2008 02:27:37
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It is not simply that Gibbons is a poor sports journalist - this is obvious particularly when compared to the Herald - but he is carrying a grudge about Burley.

So, this rules his head and drops him further
down the pecking order of journalistic standards.

The Scotsman is nothing but a Red Top in disguise as a newspaper
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Manila,

Makati 21/08/2008 03:08:20
#7 - totally agree with you. Our national anthem is a genuine embarrassment and I am sure is disliked by the majority of Scots. "Wee bit hill and glen" - brainless, perochial claptrap (i.e. utter sh*te).
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Jon Bon Jovi,

21/08/2008 05:08:21
"Confused current buns - didny know who to support when the NI fans unfurled the union jack and sang Rule Brittania!!"

they werent confused, they were sitting with them singing along....
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Black Five,

edinburgh 21/08/2008 06:01:19
What a shower and I don`t mean the rain.This lot are going nowhere.Burley deep down must be cringing he took this job.The last campaign they overachieved but let`s now remember they have not won a game since the Ukraine almost a year ago.This present outfit lack width,any guille and are definatly shot shy.That keeper only really had about one save to make.Take away McFadden and the team is nothing better than a side in the English Championship.McGregor saved a penalty but no one says what a stupid challlenge he made.A brainless idiot in my book.Gordon is the bettter keeper.
With a trip to Macedonia in sweltering heat,then away to Iceland and a potential bannana skin at Hampden with Norway we could be on our way out of the World Cup by Christmas.Next game is away to Holland in March which would then surely seal our fate.Sorry but that`s the hard facts with no pretences.
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Who's it gonna be? ,

21/08/2008 06:38:55
This team has no business being in the world cup. There are far more pleasing sides to watch than us. And our fans are not the best in the world. So they can stay at home to save even more embarrassment after we get pumped in the first round as has always and always will happen if/when Scotland get into a major finals.
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billylion67,

Cumbernauld 21/08/2008 07:26:42
The lunacy of playing a match so early in the season was there for all to see last night, SFA heard of the credit crunch? clubs just starting the season? and especially the choice of opponent? same type of player that the Scottish player plays again week in, week out, a pointless game, but when you add on the politics of a support from a supposed country, Northern Ireland? why would anyone want to attend a game such as this!! George Peat, Gordon Smith, your a joke

Scotland is a nation, who at the moment is still stuck to a forced political union, how long will we be stuck with incompetent imbeciles at the SFA
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billylion67,

21/08/2008 07:30:42
Leon posted>
Gibbons!

Go back to journalism school and read Daryl Broadfoot.

Different game? No superior knowledge understanding, insight and basic journalistic skills.

Darrell Broadfoot superior journalist ??????????? choked when Graham Spiers talked about Murrays sycophants in the Scottish media.
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21/08/2008 07:46:11
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Black Five,

edinburgh 21/08/2008 07:51:34
23 wish it was sh..but alas it`s hard facts.If we for instance get beat by Madedonia or draw then draw with Iceland it`ll be a nervy match with Norway which will probably be a defeat...all supposition but distincly possible.Thing is they are a poor side .Burley has so far proved he`s either inept or is trying things out.What happens next must work and I feel he`s not got it settled.Not good news and let`s hope my pesimism is wrong but I do feel strongly we`re done for.
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Media 1,

cape town 21/08/2008 07:55:07
McGregor is a magnificent keeper, world class in every aspect.
What I dont understand about managers is their unwillingness to play players in the position they are most comfortable with.
For instance. If a left back gets injured, why do managers replace the injured player with a regular central and not the second string left back? Or why play a more experienced left midfielder in a left wing role as opposed to playing an out and out second string left winger?
What is wrong with playing players in positions they relish?
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Richardinho,

21/08/2008 08:01:54
I can't help thinking that the Scotsman seems to be trying to pursue some kind of vendetta against George Burley.

Whilst 0-0 isn't anything to get excited about it's reasonably respectable against a team who are hardly mugs. And it was just a friendly.

There have been other articles which seemed overly hostile towards Burley-give the man a chance!
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Keyboard supporter,

21/08/2008 08:01:57
#22 - Scotland is a nation, who at the moment is still stuck to a forced political union

Indeed - its all the fault of the english!

It could be worse - we could have Capello on £120k / week and barely able to speak English and they wonder why their players look confused!
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eric,

21/08/2008 08:02:46
Some things will never change eh.
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John PM,

Edinburgh 21/08/2008 08:30:55
At least Gordon Brown hasn't had his way and our footballing independence hasn't been extinguished (yet).

A draw is better than a loss and Flower of Scotland is a hell of a lot better than God Save the Queen boasting of crushing rebellious Scots. Scots Wha Hae is the best song but we should save that for after independence.
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Teary Ennui,

21/08/2008 08:46:15
"God Save the Queen boasting of crushing rebellious Scots" (#31)

Only ever about a particular group of rebellious Scots a long time ago - not all Scots.

Not part of the anthem as officially used anyway.

The storm of booing was rather sad at a friendly match with Northern Ireland, when the Scotland support has such a good reputation generally. There are suggestions today that Scotland will face punishment from UEFA, as we were reported to UEFA previously for booing the Lithuanian anthem.
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Bob M,

Paisley 21/08/2008 08:50:33
#12 - Scotland the Brave hasn't been used by the football team since the 1980s.

Not a classic last night although there wew some encouraging signs, the lad Commons looks a prospect.
I doubt Macedonia will set their stall out so defensively, we will be in for a different kind of test over there.

Liked the new strip BTW, it was like watching the team in 1974 again (minus a few great players!)
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tomislav,

home 21/08/2008 08:52:08
13. Couldn't agree more, My national anthem is God Save the Queen and I am proud of it. This Corries ditty of drivvel of 'we'll be the Nation again' totally excludes me, because if we had another round I would be on the same side as the thousands of Scots were before, side by side with our English brothers
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Keyboard supporter,

21/08/2008 09:02:28
Forget which anthem is played just tell the ex corry to leave his bonnie prince charlie routine for the asylum - watching him last night was excrutiating - like the p*ssed up old codgers in the pub karaoke - on second thoughts they'd probably do better
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mybestmatesa,

beyond hope 21/08/2008 09:06:19
I can understand and even support booing God Save the Queen when it was played as our anthem. But when it is played as the national anthem of a visiting team, surely common decency dictates that it is afforded some respect. It appears that common decency is a foreign concept to a large number of people who follow our national team.
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Johnny Jambo,

21/08/2008 09:10:23
Dont know why there are criticisms of the National Anthem, we, the fans, asked for changes away from God Save the Queen years ago, and we got our way now some want a change again.
Re the game Scotland played a FRIENDLY and didn't lose a goal, NI played with 10 men behind the ball and that is difficult for anyone to break down, they played a certain type of game to suit their campaign. We blooded a few new players, some of whom did well I think Burley will be satisfied, would have liked to have won but they did OK.
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Indigo Nightlight,

21/08/2008 09:18:14
Gibbons likes to kid on he knows what he's talking about, but clearly doesn't. Morrison plays far more often on the left of midfield than the right for West Brom, and he was comfortable there against the Czechs in June. and Midfield holding role? Maybe he played there on Saturday, but it would be the first time I've ever seen it. His problem came from a lack of service to him.

Thomson on the left? when has he ever played there? he's a central midfielder with no pace and only comfortable in the holding role, as witnessed by his 'shooting' last night. Brown played on the right throughout Scotland's last campaign. I don't remember McLeish getting caned for playing him there. Personally I'd rather see Brown in the middle and Fletcher out right if we are playing a 4-4-2 but Brown is perfectly capable of playing there. If we play Brown and Fletcher together in the middle of a 4 we'd get ripped open as they both want to get forward, where's the defensive discipline? And finally, Brown's burst for the red card came down, yes, the right hand side not the centre of the pitch.

Other than all of that, an incisive critique of where we went wrong.
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Venachar,

21/08/2008 09:27:39
Once again Fletcher kept giving the ball away as he did in Georgia to lose the match. He didn't support the front two. He never replicates his club form for Scotland.

Proved yet again that without pace on either side we looked utterly sterile - too many across the park and backward passes. It was only when Common and Robson comes on that the team looked like doing anything.
Here's a tip Mr Burley - try playing a goal scorer at 9, not a headless chicken that runs anywhere over the park except towards goal.
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Class On Grass,

Byline 21/08/2008 09:39:36

#26 Burley inept? He wasn't inept when he took Hearts to the top of the SPL... Given time, he'll give us a team to be proud of, one which would beat Georgia U19s. No disrespect to Klaus Toppmüller, their great German manager. You see SFA dumkopfs, there are some great German managers out there, best of which is Christophe Daum, who was available for peanuts at the time of Volgts' appointment. Daum was the victim of F. Beckenbaur and B.Munich slinging mud about him and his alleged drug taking, but that's another story. Let's all watch Nigeria bounce back onto the football map, now they've terminated Volgts.

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Stewarty,

21/08/2008 09:42:35
I seem to recall that a previous Scotland manager of German descent had a habit of playing team members out of their natural and best positions and we all know what happened!

Burley is playing with fire. If he continues with this nonsense he will soon be on his way.
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Stars in your eyes,

NWE 21/08/2008 09:50:09
I watched the game on TV last night but had to switch over to watch England it was that bad.

Fletcher: I lost count of the times he passed to the ball to NI players.

McFadden & Miller: no aerial threat.

Morrison/Commons & Brown: non existent wing play. Although Commons did get the ball over at times he didn't go past anyone. The other two didn't even get the ball over.

Northern Ireland with ten players were playing all the football. At home this was a poor performance. Granted some players were missing but I am beginning to doubt whether Burley is a good manager. Why did he not change the attack when we were struggling to get a shot on target?

I would have played Kenny Miller wide on the right as we don't have a genuine winger and McFadden or Brown in a deeper role with Boyd probably up front. Morrison looked quite good but no left foot. The left wing could be the problem area although Shaun maloney can play there.
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loosehead,

Edinburgh 21/08/2008 10:01:13
Poor performance all round. Most interesting thing will concern the players who were missing through `injury.` Let`s see how many of the five turn out for their clubs on Saturday.
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neilrory,

Glesca 21/08/2008 10:18:09
Surely I am not alone in thinking that Kenny Misser has to be found out sometime? His complete inability to control a ba', and his unerring capacity to miss complete sitters is glaringly obvious is it not? Until such time as we have someone (who can actually score a few goals) to partner McFadden up front we will struggle in the qualifying section. Boyd might not run about much, but he seems to score more often than not. BTW I am not a Rioters FC fan. Burley has to recognise this soon before it's too late...oh, and Weir can GTF as well. Get Berra in now...NOT Caldwell who is another accident waiting to happen.
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Bob M,

21/08/2008 10:20:39
#48 "Couple of points from last night:
Caldwell is a complete liability - needs replaced"

He wasn't even playing!

#31 It certainly didn't sound like a "storm of booing" to me. Not like the last time England played in Glasgow anyway.

I would never disrespect another country's anthem but GSTQ is a deeply unpopular song amongst many Scots and I can understand the reception it receives. Why the Daily Record / Sun seem to be genuinely shocked by what happened seems baffling. I very much doubt UEFA will take any action over this.

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Skiver,

21/08/2008 10:22:36
#20 & #26

Black Five

Are you the Grim Reaper?

Not exactly an optimist are we?

Glass half-empty kind of guy?

Did you write that on suicide watch?
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Jealousy,jealousy,

21/08/2008 10:23:51
Wasnt a great performance but hardly a terrible one either. At the end of the day it was a meaningless friendly so no big deal.
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Class On Grass,

Mengele 21/08/2008 10:26:13

A wee bit of Experimentation never hurt anyone
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Jealousy,jealousy,

21/08/2008 10:28:47
#42 Fons et origo

Just as well for you that no-one else will get to see you displaying you making an er$e of yourself on the Aaron thread then eh?

For those who missed it in 3 or 4 posts he slabbered on about escape clauses to Barca and Barca making sure they had covered themselves in the deal. Of course anyone with even basic knowledge would tell you the player was signed from VALENCIA.

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Jealousy,jealousy,

21/08/2008 10:29:33
#61
* see you making
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Iain MS,

Newcastle 21/08/2008 10:38:03
Does the draw and England's draw not mean that we've now gone above them in the FIFA rankings? I'm not really bothered about it as I know we're cr*p and don't deserve our position, but I'm looking forward to winding up a few people about it.
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Stoobing,

London 21/08/2008 10:42:46
Kevin Thomson is so average, it's unbelievable. Has nobody twigged this yet? Robson must have been gutted to see his name on the bench and Thomson starting - just as Brown must have been raging to see his name on right mid, and Thomson centre. What a joke.

Never again, thank you George. Surely he'll suss out a quality midfield out of Fletcher, Robson, Brown and Ferguson (when fit) in due course. Nervous for the qualifiers now, esp with Hutton missing as well as Ferguson.
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Bareted,

Sydney 21/08/2008 10:43:17
Just a coincidence the most negative posts come from Edinburgh? Where is Leith, anyway?
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Plonker,

21/08/2008 10:44:55
The faith that many managers put in Kenny Miller reminds me of similar faith put in big Duncan Ferguson. Every manager seems to think that they alone can harness the raw abilities (in Miller's case pace and workrate). Problem is, the faith always turns out to be misplaced, the talent unfulfilled.

Apart from that, there's no point in greetin' about Scotland and the lack of skill, stamina, penetration whatever, because anyone with a brain knows we're poor, don't have the players. Walter knew this and parked the bus. This made us not even worth watching but got some results. If George Burley really thinks that a more attacking side will succeed with the material he has at his disposal, he's in for a rude awakening, I fear (but hope I'm wrong)
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Johnny Jambo,

21/08/2008 10:51:18
#44 I agree with your comments about Daum being a great Manager, unfortunately I disagree with the alleged part about his drug taking, it was proved and filmed at the time.
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AJ Fife,

21/08/2008 10:54:20
A good work out - some good and some poor performances by the Scottish squad personnel.

Weir needs some of that deer gism injected if he's gonna be part of the squad. Jogging isnae enough!
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Johnny Jambo,

21/08/2008 10:56:00
#48 I agree about Stewart, I particularly watched his performance last night and I noted that he made one poor pass in his 20 odd minutes and a few telling ones included there, which is in total contrast to Fletcher (whom I like btw) in his 70 mintes he was very poor last night and gave no support to the two front guys, wheras Stewart tried to get them going, incidentally as did Kris Commons when he came of.
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Johnny Jambo,

21/08/2008 10:57:04
btw I thought the Irish lad was unlucky to be sent off
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Davius,

21/08/2008 11:20:49
Thomson on the left? I'm sorry have you ever watched him play? Morrison played on the left countless times for west brom last season. He's a winger. Central midfield may well be Browns best position but we have an abundance of decent central midfielders.

Darren Fletcher should be dropped in favour of Robson, who has a much more rounded game, and takes a good corner. I have watched Fletcher countless times and he is just not good enough. Watching him trying to tackle is horrible.

Play a front three with McFadden on the left, Miller on the right and someone with physical prescene in the middle. Boyd, Steven Fletcher or Lee Miller. Brown, Ferguson and Robson in Midfield. Good enough to finish second at least.
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21/08/2008 11:26:26
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Jealousy,jealousy,

21/08/2008 11:32:52
#75 fons

Even by your normal poor standards that is a terrible post and a terrible comeback.

Still, inane rambling is probably the way forward as you have proved you have little or no football knowledge.

Go on, tell us all again about Aarons escape clauses from Barca.
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Keyboard supporter,

21/08/2008 11:34:54
#74 - whatever the name, whatever the day - same old pointless, humourless drivel - an utterly inane no mark!
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Dons Jimmy,

21/08/2008 11:36:26
Was at the game last night but didn't enjoy it. one or tw performed well for us, but far too many nobodies in our team i'm afraid. Not nearly enough class. Formation was certainly questionable too, with Thomson (for me) not being up to it in that crucial central position, (though perhaps he could contribute elsewhere, or off the bench). Overall a very poor game.

The antics of the northern ireland fans was just an outdated embarassment. They acted like a travelling rangers crowd, waving a big union jack and doing the bouncy, before a huge chorus of rule britannia. Absolutely pathetic, as is their alleged 'national anthem' which was happily booed out of the stadium by the scotland fans. i for one, would be happy if we never play them again - horrible people.
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jumpship,

Scotland 21/08/2008 11:43:01
My take on the booing of GSTQ -

I'm i right in saying there use to be a verse in the song about rebellious Scots to crush. Well I'm Scottish and i really don't like that verse

Yes i know they don't use that line anymore but does that make it OK to keep using the same song. If you can think of a racist or bigoted song but change some of the words - Does it make it OK to use. ...... No

So i will continue to boo GSTQ
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Indigo Nightlight,

21/08/2008 11:46:19
I wouldn't boo anyone's national anthem, no matter how much of a tuneless anachronistic dirge it is.

Can anyone explain to me why Northern Ireland fans sing Rule Brittannia when they are not British?
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Class On Grass,

Joints 21/08/2008 11:47:54

J Jambo, I never knew Daum was filmed. I just heard he was proven guilty by a B.Munchen team of docs from a hair sample he stupidly provided, when he never had to. He later stated he was innocent and had indpendent scientific checks on hair done to prove no caning occured. (while at Galatasary.) It was Germany's loss, as R.Völler stepped into his shoes at club and country. With Daum they might have beaten Brazil.
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Dons Jimmy,

21/08/2008 11:55:12
We always hear about noerthern ireland being a really 'inclusive' bunch of supporters blah blah blah -- and they play that muck as their anthem. Surely if 40% (or whatever) of their country doesn't want to be British, they shouldn't really have an anthem that is only identified with by the other 60%?? There must be a load of traditional 'Northern Irish' tunes unique to Ulster etc that everyone could identify with?? I am certain that at the Commonwealth games they don't play gstq - i think it is Londonderry air or something like that.

Even some english people are embarassed at gstq - the n ireland fans came across as a bunch of utter retards.
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Bemused Arab,

21/08/2008 12:03:21
#79 - it's a sectarian thing I think.
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Keyboard supporter,

21/08/2008 12:05:04
#81 - "they play that muck as their anthem"

so much for the good old tartan army fans and their outgoing friendly attitude - comments like the former are just so narrow minded and parochial. I love Scotland but on seeing BRITISH athletes at Olympics i defy anyone to say that don't feel a sense of pride in their achievements.

Back to your barn - your sheeps' pining
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Survivor Of Riots,

21/08/2008 12:05:45
I was surprised at the Norn Iron FA agreeing to GSTQ as their anthem.

I would propose "Hail Glorious St Patrick!"

It could have been wonderful with the Corrie fella signing "flower of Scotland" followed by the Riot Survivor belting out Hail Glorious.

Now thats show biz.

Altogether now - "On Erins green valleys, on Erins green valleys"

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Ian.M,

North Ayrshire 21/08/2008 12:06:21
I take it all the posters claiming to be Scotland fans who are so miffed about GSTQ being booed are equally miffed about the Northern Ireland fans booing players in the Scotland team because thay play for Celtic? Or is there more chance of pigs flying?
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Dons Jimmy,

21/08/2008 12:15:45
#85 - agreed. Their whole behaviour made me cringe. It really was like watching a rangers match.
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Strathturret,

montrose 21/08/2008 12:19:52
IMHO Northern Ireland is a very strange country, illustrated by their choice of 'National Anthem'?

I'm getting extremely confused about NI. In the olympics we are GB; what happened to the NI Bit? But we have some NI people in the GB team? Presumably some chose to represent Ireland (a foreign country)?

And we're told the Union is wonderful?
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bobtwang,

Londres 21/08/2008 12:28:38
Although I only watched the highlights I dont agree with Gibbons take on the game. From the numerous Scottish attacks on offer on BBC last night, Scotland played attractive, bold football, without a happy finish.

Broadfoot's take on the game reflected what I saw.

So - a message to the Scotsman. 1) give GG a shake 2) Why oh WHY do you allow these comments to be dominated by rangers / celtic / bigotry / SNP nonsense, which don't have anything to do with the articles? It reflects badly on the paper. Other respected publications vet the posts immediately before sticking them online. This is not the forum for these morons, it should be a place for comments regarding the article, and the article alone.

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Montgomery Flange,

Soho 21/08/2008 12:29:13
Seems like Scotland will struggle to get near South Africa in 2 years time.

Last night's peroformance tells me nothing more than we should stick to our 'everyman behind the ball' tactics that won us some respectability under McLeish and Smith. We just don't - for the moment at least - have it in our locker to hurt other teams.

Players who have the neccessary skill level to compete internationally, Fletcher, Ferguson, McFadden are all one-paced..while players who have pace...Miller..have no skill.

We can only pray - to a catholic god, of course, as he's the one that does the miracles apparently - that a true talent emerges over the next year who can give us something extra.

I'm off down Old Compton Street for a gin 'n' tonic!
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Plonker,

21/08/2008 12:29:14
77 - I regret to say that you are correct on all points made.
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21/08/2008 12:33:33
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Jealousy,jealousy,

21/08/2008 12:53:28
#86 Fons

Let me get this straight. In my 1st post i added an extra word which i noticed after reading back. I made another to correct this slight error.

You then post - "Dont you realise that you have to have a real good memory to be a good liar,and by your own posted admission you have neither.
He who stutterz is lost !"

Not withstanding the fact that it doesnt make sense you then use it as a reason to call me Liar Liar despite claiming i dont have the attributes necessary to be one!

You are losing it mate.
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Calum Crubag,

Alba gu brath. 21/08/2008 12:53:57
Good to hear GSTQ booed. The song is offensive - especially when sung by thousands of 'Scottish' Rangers' fans with weedge accents in NI tops.

The 6 nations of 'N.I.' aren't even a real country/ nation. They're not even a real provice/ region as 2 counties lie in the Republic.

Scotland were cac though.
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Calum Crubag,

21/08/2008 12:56:39
#85 - good point. Why were the Little Englanders booing Kenny Miller? Why did they give Neil Lennon so much grief?

And yeah, Celtic fans who support Eire are just as bad.

The OF ugly sisters just don't get it...
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GAWA,

Belfast 21/08/2008 12:56:48
It seems in modern day Scotland it is a crime to be proud to be British. The fact that Rule Britannia was a one of about 10 different songs sung by the Norn Irish fans does not seem to cut any ice with the bigots on here. The fact we want to sing our national anthem and have the temerity to ask that it is respected is just too much to ask?

Yes we are not ashamed to be British but our song sheet is one of the most diverse and original in the modern football. I think the fact the Tartan Army myth was exposed by their own reprehensible behavour (and even worse by the defense of it en masse afterwards) and our own superior fanbase is the real cause of all this ire the morning after.

Some of the bigots on here and the behaviour I witnessed last night leads me to conclude that a once welcoming nation is in danger of be run into an, albeit independant, but essentially toltalitarian state run by the narrowminded for the narrowminded.
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Johnny Jambo,

21/08/2008 13:02:43
#80 yes I agree it was Germany's loss, he had just won the Bundesleague withg Leverkusen as well.

But there were films these came out a little later.
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Indigo Nightlight,

21/08/2008 13:06:48
#98

A sizable percentage of those in the Norn Iron support last night were Scottish. And as for the varied songbook, I must have missed it. I heard god save the queen, Rule Britannia and a few chants of 'healy' but that was about it. At least you didn't sing the sash like on your last trip to Hampden so we should probably be grateful for that.

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Star o' Rabbie Burns,

New Cumnock, CUMNOCK 21/08/2008 13:11:27
The song Northern Ireland uses as its anthem is really none of our business - but I must say GSTQ's continued use shows that maybe power-sharing hasn't yet hit football.

One of the most moving things I've seen/heard in sport in recent years was at the Auckland Commonwealth Games in 1990; the tape broke just before the medal ceremony for an Northern Ireland gold medal-winning boxer, so the guy in charge of the tape, an Ulster exile, sang 'Danny Boy' - NI's choice of games anthem; it made the hairs on the back of your neck stand-up.

Now that is an Irish song which crosses the divide.

BTW, if what BBC showed last night were the "highlights", it must have been a dire 90 minutes.
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Helter Skelter,

21/08/2008 13:15:44
98

I haven't heard one word of regret from any norn iron fans about the fact that loyalist terrorrists threatening Neil Lennon with assassination if he turned out for the team.

It really is an appaling state of affairs when you have MI5 advising a professional sportsman that he should hang up his international boots.

You lot should be booed ever where you go until there is some public expression of regret about what happened by the norn iron fans.

You go on about being proud to be british when in fact you are a disgrace to Britain.
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GAWA,

21/08/2008 13:17:00
Well to be fair the GAWA have progressed as you allude to with your grudging admission. I understand that someone like yourself it seems only pays attention when there is the opportunity to be offended - still though as I pointed out there is nothing offensive about the 2 songs you have mentioned.

Anyway you might have noticed one of the biggest advocates of the Norn Irish fans is a certain Gerry Armstrong. He is a successfull pundit on SKY with the Spainish football so he doesnt need us in any way, he chooses to laud us with praise and speak up on our behalf against detractors like yourself with your mindset set 20 yrs in past. Oh and by the way he comes from the Falls Road, the most Republican area in our great country - I think if we behaved the way you crave and try to represent Gerry wouldnt be so quick to associate himself with us - times are changing maybe you should recognise that.

Phew used to be the joke that when you flew in Belfast you set your watch back 300 yrs - it seems to me now this may be applicable to any airport in Scotland.
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kOD,

glasgow 21/08/2008 13:19:03
i WAS RIGHT NEXT TO THE NORTHERN IRELAND FANS LAST NIGHT AND THOUGHT THEY MADE THE GAME A GOOD ATMOSPHERE BUT THIS TALK OF THE TARTAN ARMY BEING BIGOTS IS NONSENSE.SURE WE MAY NOT ACCEPT OUR "BRITISHNESS" LIKE THE NORTHERN IRISH BUT THIS IS PAST DOWN GENERATIONS.I PROUDLY BOOED GOD SAVE THE QUEEN! NOT OUT OF DISRESPECT FOR NORTERN IRELAND BUT AT PROTEST TO THE MONARCH!AND THE NORTERN IRISH FAN "GAWA" IS CLEARLY DELUDED AND READING TO MUCH INTO THIS BUT I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY BECAUSE THATS THEY WAY NIRISH ARE BROUGHT UP TO FINK EVRYTHING AGAINST THEM IS A SECTARIAN INSULT!WELL I WITNESSED THE BOOING OF CELTIC PLAYERS PLUS KENNY MILLER!AS A SCOTLAND FAN DID I EXPECT THIS? OF COURSE I DID! NOW IF I WAS A NORTHRN IRISH FAN WOULD I EXPECT BOOING OF RULE BRITTIANA AND GOD SAVE THE QUEEN IN GLASGOW A CITY RENOWNED FOR SPEAKING THEYR MIND???WELL IF THEY DIDNT THEN THEY ARE ON ANOTHER PLANET!SURE THEY WERE LOUD BUT THE SO CALLED "FANS" OF NORTHERN IRELAND WERE ONLY THERE TO WIND UP AND CAUSE A BIGOTED STIR!THE TARTAN ARMY IGNORED MOST OF THE WIND UP SONGS EXEMPELERY AND I THOUGHT WE WER FANTASTIC LAST NITE IN A SITUATION THT COULD HAVE CAUSED A RIOT OUTSIDE THE GROUND! AND SINCE WHEN WAS ULSTER A COUNTRY:s???
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GAWA,

21/08/2008 13:20:36
102 - Always used to us who were the ones accused of being obessed with the past......bit of a sea change since then eh?
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GAWA,

21/08/2008 13:23:43
104 - no need to shout....lol.

Bit of advice count to ten before trying to commit your jumbled, frothing at the mouth comments onto paper - might be able to understand what you're on about then.....

kOD - the articulate voice of the Tartan Army....haha
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bobtwang,

Londres 21/08/2008 13:28:05
94: Thanks for giving another example of the drivel to which I refer. If you want to mudsling, do it elsewhere. Also, mind your language, there are kids reading this.

Read my original post.
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Helter Skelter,

21/08/2008 13:32:15
106

Given the garbled incomprehensible response you made at post 105, you are scarcely in a position to criticise the diction of anyone.

It seems - though it is far from clear - that you are saying that the Neil Lennon situation has been lost in the mists of time, and that those who mention it are obsessed by the past.

By that logic, you would presumably dismiss Adolf Hitler's critics.

The treatment that your lot dished out to Neil Lennon should never be forgotten and should only be forgiven if there is some sincere public expression of regret by the norn iron football fans association....some organisation that speaks for the majority of the fans.

But it is too big a skeleton in the cupboard to expect others to ignore.

It was a disgusting incident in the recent past and until you lot recognise that you should be treated like scum.
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GAWA,

21/08/2008 13:45:23
108 - I have no doubt that you do wish that the episode is never forgotten. The simple truth is that it happened and it was regretable but why give it more precedence say than the booing of your own captain, Ferguson, at Landsdone Road? Or the booing of Rommedahl who they mistakenly thought was Lovenkrands? It is all sectarian booing at the end of the day - for me it isnt something that should really have a hierarchy as to whom it was directed or by whom. The fact that Lennon was issued with a death threat is not something Norn Irish fans can be blamed for I am afraid. If anything it shows just what a voltaile time it was in our war torn country's history and the circumstances the people who attended the games had to endure.

Still though as I outlined above the vibrant and diverse support we brought last night shows just how much our country has moved on and how much we look to the future - what was the Tartan Army's excuse for their dispicable actions last night?
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Indigo Nightlight,

21/08/2008 13:47:25
#110

If it was despicable of the TA to boo GSTQ (which is arguable, I didn't boo but the song is no a popular one) then I presume it was despicable of your 'vibrant' fans to boo Flower of Scotland? or Kenny Miller every time he touched the ball? or Barry Robson?
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Alba Abú,

Edinburgh 21/08/2008 13:54:36
#98 GAWA.......If you wish to remain tightly fastened to your English masters apron strings then feel free to do so.Here in Scotland we view things more differently.Thats why your supporters sing the English national anthem and our supporters dont.You mention that Scotland is in danger of becoming "a totalitarian state,run by the narrowminded for the narrowminded"Thats rich coming from someone who hails from Belfast.Did not your sectarian leader James Craig say(1921) that"northern Ireland has a Protestant parliament for a protestant people.He forgot to mention the half million Catholics who resided in the orange statelet at that time,thus decades of conflict.On the island of Ireland 87% of the people reject English interference in the affairs of their country,but that does not hold any sway with the sectarian loyalist in the north east. Anytime there is a danger of democracy being implemented the loyalist gangs go out and murder a few taigs(Catholics)just to keep them in their place.England is your master she is not ours,end of story!
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Jealousy,jealousy,

21/08/2008 14:04:29
#109 Fons

Face it son, you have been absolutely owned. I am confident in the knowledge that anyone who reads the posts will agree.

You call me a liar yet you spent all morning saying Aaron was a Barca player.

Your too easy.
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Edinburgh University Graduate Grade "A" Plus,

21/08/2008 14:06:54
Poor display from scots, especially stew,
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GAWA,

21/08/2008 14:07:21
114 - We learn from mistakes or at least are trying to, see powersharing and the Assembley in Stormont. We are looking to the future, something that is no doubt alien to you given you are quoting something said in 1921.

Further your musings 'the sectarian loyalist in the north east. Anytime there is a danger of democracy being implemented the loyalist gangs go out and murder a few taigs(Catholics)' with your choice of sectarian language to frame your points show you up for the bigot that your are.

Feel free to wallow in the bile of the past, I am sure Scotland in your vision has nothing but good times ahead.
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GAWA,

21/08/2008 14:11:03
112 - IF what you say is true, and being at the match I didnt notice it, its good to see the GAWA had the good sense not to get show favour to one particular side of the OF and instead choose very fairly to boo one player from each respecting team. Personally I do not think you can fault that.
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Alba Abú,

Edinburgh 21/08/2008 14:11:19
Those who call themselves British and reside in a foreign country,Ireland,have a condition attached to their loyalty and it is that no Catholic shall wear the crown of England,thats some loyalty for you Mrs.Windsor. They think that there is something special about feeling British ,because like some supporters of Glasgow Rangers their loyalty is based on sectarian hatred of Catholics.Scottish nationalist and I am one of them,deplore sectarianism and will fight inequality,thats why we have nothing in common with sectarin loyalists in the north east of Ireland.
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Alba Abú,

21/08/2008 14:13:44
120 Oops! that should be sectarian and not sectarin.
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Indigo Nightlight,

21/08/2008 14:16:37
#119

At least you have a sense of humour! the booing was poor, as it was when your more southerly neighbours booed all the rangers players at Lasndowne Road. We've been as guilty as any with the Hearts contingent of Lithuanian players getting a particularly poor reception at Hampden.
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Bzzzz,

Edinburgh 21/08/2008 14:19:53
#77 Totally agree.
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Alba Abú,

SCOTLAND'S CAPITAL 21/08/2008 14:29:49
118 . You are absolutely correct.I see a bright future ahead for an Independent Scotland. That future will only be bright when sectarianism has been consigned to the dustbin.The new Scottish state will not legislate for sectarianism as is the present case with the anti-Catholic British act of settlement 1701. No Scottish prime minister will be allowed to elect Protestant bishops to our house of parliament.This is presently the case with the British prime minister.Where people go on a Sunday will be their own business and not the concern of the state.I suppose coming from Belfast all of this will be unacceptable to you,with your orange thinking and all of that type of fascism.
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GAWA,

21/08/2008 14:38:05
Re 120 & 125 - Please see my comments on in 118, they still ring true. Your latest longwinded posts have done nothing to dispel what I raised above, they stand out as being the ones containing the most militant and ultimately unhelpful language.

Also 'sectarin' - come on now admit, you were the lad who penned THAT banner at Easter Road?
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JPF,

21/08/2008 14:38:44
#120 - words, my, took, mouth, out.

Good post.
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GAWA,

21/08/2008 14:40:19
122 - Thankfully a bit of sanity. I would be prepared to agree with you if we in the pub having this conversation over a few pints but as this is an internet forum you know there is no way in which this can happen.
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Survivor Of Riots,

21/08/2008 14:40:50
I see ReaRangers have concluded the signing of Steven (interesting) Davis.

Would have though that his poor performances in the team that blew it last season would have seen Walter (nosurname and in whom we trust) give him a wide berth.

A fabulous waste of money.

Well done Walter!
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JPF,

21/08/2008 14:44:41
GAWA - perhaps you could respond to an earlier poster. What is with the god save the queen stuff? It clearly is despised by a very sizeable proportion of your population, so why does this 'inclusive' and 'diverse' football support not push for a different anthem? Danny Boy perhaps?? (à la athletics etc). This would surely be more representative of Northern Ireland as a country within the UK. gstq is offensive to many many people in northern ireland.

You yourself were just telling us how 'diverse' your support is - from being at the stadium last night, you looked anything but diverse.

I'd be interested to hear your thoughts.
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Jack Houston,

Renfrewshire 21/08/2008 14:49:22
Booing at a sporting event is, in my opinion, never on.There seems to be a certain vicious arrogance in Scotland these days which suggests that this is acceptable. It is not.

As for all those talking about this 'rebellious Scots to crush' nonsense - it is just that, nonsense. It was a verse tacked on at the time, completely unofficially, by a few people - and long forgotten to the backpage of history until some Scottish nationalists grabbed onto it. It's rather like suggesting the song is offensive to the Queen because the Jacobites tacked on a verse during their rising saying none-too-pleasant things about her ancestors.
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geo67,

21/08/2008 14:55:17
#38 JJ
Well said mate,we are not world class,but we are a team of out and out triers and workers.Much like Northern Ireland,they, like ourselves have been on the up over the last couple of years.
RE National anthems,they cannot and should not be booed by anyone.Be it Northern Ireland,Republic of Ireland,Iran or America.When the football is being played emotions and songs can be sung.But when the national anthem is being played,it is in a sporting sense.This is the time that every fan should be sporting,and allow it to be played.
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Barney Rubble,

21/08/2008 14:56:29
I think the booing of any national anthem is disrespectful in the extreme. It's not up to us to dictate the anthem of another nation, and when it is played we should treat it as we would like our own to be treated. When GSTQ was played before the Ireland v England 6 nations at Croke Park, with all the history surrounding that venue, it was respected superbly by the home support.

Also, where in the Lithuanian anthem does it discuss crushing rebelling Scots? The TA have a bit of previous for this.
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Jealousy,jealousy,

21/08/2008 15:01:38
#123 Fons

You rest your case?

You HAVE no case and you know it. Point out where i lied.

I can only hope your team gives out as poor a performance as you have today over the season. If they do the trebles a certainty!!

A wait your next cunning riposte with interest!!

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Jealousy,jealousy,

21/08/2008 15:06:18
#129 SOR

Davis started off superbly last season. I admit he tailed off a wee bit towards the end of the season but dont forget he is young at 23.

Another great signing to add to Mendes, Edu, and Aaron.

At least he showed form to justify his price tag. So far S. Brown has done the square root of f all in a Celtc jersey except get booked a lot.
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GAWA,

21/08/2008 15:06:31
130 - JPG - if singing the national anthem and waving our national flag is offensive to some then maybe they should look at themselves.

As I stated earlier many people's narrowminded opinion on here its not a crime to be proud to be British - now it seems it is proud to be Northern Irish.....dear oh dear...some people
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Survivor Of Riots,

21/08/2008 15:13:37
Steven (interesting) Davis is one of those poor souls destroyed by "Walters Mantra" (its ok to fail cos yer tired).

So strongly was the mantra adopted by all at ReaRangers FC that the abject collapse and failure last season was tolerated without reasonable excuse.

It even follow followed into this season and was regurgitated as a reason for the abysmal collapse in Lithuania - awww we're aw pure tired so we ur!!

All of the players in last seasons failures have been ruined by Walters Mantra. Even clubfoot is claiming he wants revenge at Pittodrie on Saturday! Wake up Kirky - its a new season. The time to do it was when it really mattered!

A mentally weak group of men who's will to win was sucked dry the minute Walter opened his mouth and stated his mantra.

When a horse has been ruined for racing, people generally do the decent thing and put them down.

Walter had a chance to walk away from the ruined Davis and buy someone with the cojones for a battle.

He never....

Altogether now

"its ok to fail cos yer tired"

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Indigo Nightlight,

21/08/2008 15:18:49
#138

It must be a pretty sad existence to spend so much time obsessing about Rangers. Perhaps you could find yourself a hobby and take your mind off them?
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Jealousy,jealousy,

21/08/2008 15:21:56
#138 SOR

Its sad that you hold such disdain for Celtc's legendary Seville season.
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Daillyman,

21/08/2008 15:23:36
136 JJ

4 new midfield player brought in, one 23 and 2 younger at 22 and 19. Mendes along with the return of Ferguson with great their experience should help the younger ones improve.

I also hear WS is looking at a Danish centre half.

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Survivor Of Riots,

21/08/2008 15:30:13
139 - do you know what a plamph is...if you don't you do a good job of being one...congratulations.

140 - The Seville team died with its boots on.

They humped the ReaRangers in the league game in the run in at Ipox, took Porto to extra time in searing heat (btw Porto win the Champs league after their Uefa cup win) and just lost out on a "who can score the most" competition.

The following season, they emphasised their superiority by winning all of the games against ReaRangers and set a new SPL points record which still stands. They also knocked out Barcelona on the way to the Uefa Cup QF's.

Every man a hero...compare with the ReaRangers failures of last season and their pathetic collapse and failure at the first hurdle in Europe this time out.

Theres a tear in my eye and a lump in my throat just writing this.

I'll bet in your quieter moments you too shed tears of pride that this team graced the SPL.


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Jealousy,jealousy,

21/08/2008 15:35:53
#142 SOR

"The Seville team died with its boots on."

Ha ha! For all your spin the record books do, and always will show them to be failures on all fronts.

Our season was more successfull. There is no debate.

Early days yet but our recent glut of signings could make this a very successfull season domesticly.

Despite losing our best player we have a far stronger squad than the one which came so close last season.

You lot havnt improved at all.

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Survivor Of Riots,

21/08/2008 15:37:29
143 - Minty Moonbeams must love you!!
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Daillyman,

21/08/2008 15:40:20
142 SoR

"the Seville team died with their boots"

So true and it was a long lingering death, in 4 competitions in 2003 and nothing to show for it.
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Daillyman,

21/08/2008 15:41:38
144 Idee

Well done a post about Celtic!!
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Survivor Of Riots,

21/08/2008 15:44:27
143 - my actual point here is not about who was the more successful team in their Uefa final season.

My point is that Walters Mantra completely derailed a team when it could have had its most successful season ever.

As for improvements?? Considering Davis was there last season!

Laugherty? Misser? Edu (who??), Mendes (journeyman).

Minty has pulled another whopper on the lot of you!

Keep believing!
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Survivor Of Riots,

21/08/2008 15:48:08
Dailyman...Celtic finished the Seville season with victories. No "we're too tired" pash.

They came out the following season snarling and tore the whole of the SPL a new one.

They rose like a pheonix from the flames.

ReaRangers are still licking their wounds and looking for someone to blame.

All they had to do was draw one of 2 games at Celtic Park, or beat Motherwell at Firpark and it was theirs for the taking.

Walter talked them into defeat.

There will be no redemption this season for them.

The die is cast!
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Jealousy,jealousy,

21/08/2008 15:53:56
#144 fons

If your popularity on here reflects your real life. Then i reckon it is you who needs fulfiling. Even your own recognise you for what you are - a sad, coma inducing wee man who adds nothing to any reasonable conversation.

That is one of the first times iv seen you mention Celtc. Perhaps there is hope for you yet.

On second thoughts, perhaps not.....
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Jealousy,jealousy,

21/08/2008 16:05:49
#148 SOR

Lafferty has a goal and an assist to his name already. The fact that you can make a joke about his name doesnt make it true!

Miller il give you although i still feel he has something to add over the season.

If you ever watch Premiership football you would know that Mendes is a cracking player who will be a cut above most in Scotland.

The fact that you dont know much about Edu does not mean he aint no good - rookie of the year and all reports suggest he could be a good signing. Time will tell.

Celtc signings so far

Samaras - Could not get a game in the premiership (unlike Mendes)

Crosas - Young and unproven.

Loovens - Championship player who will struggle to displace Caldwell (says it all really)

McCourt - Doncaster reject who will be lucky to get a start all season.
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La Jolla,

Florida 21/08/2008 16:06:47
144, your prose is awful, although the way you start and end your comment is amusing, in a childish way. Can you rewrite so I can understand?
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Daillyman,

21/08/2008 16:07:34
Any how back to Scotland, I wondering if why Burley does not look at McCormack or Fletcher up front for Scotland. Both seem to find the net with more regularity than Miller or McFadden.

Play McFadden wide left in midfield and let him run at defenders.
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RANGERS LOYALIST,

GB 21/08/2008 16:09:19
I think the Scotsman moderators should brush up on their Latin. I'm fed up with nn, idee fixee blah,blah getting away with abuse just because he puts it in Latin.
This way he can advertise for rent-boys and encourage drug-abuse and under-age gay sex at his local chapel.
Put a stop to it now.
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Survivor Of Riots,

21/08/2008 16:09:23
i do watch the EPL and Medez is nothing special.

neither is Steven Davis...watched him last year at Celtic Park and he was rank. swung in a couple of decent corners but that was the sum total of his contribution.

Unless you come to the SPL from one of the real EPL contenders, the reality is that you ain't getting anything special....despite how much you pay or how much you want it to be true.
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RANGERS LOYALIST,

GB 21/08/2008 16:11:20
Back in the real world, Davis is on board at last and unless strachan pulls a miracle within the next week, Rangers have every right to feel confident for this season.
We won't throw it away again and with no European distractions, this squad will wipe the floor with the opposition.
Make mine a treble.
Again.
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Survivor Of Riots,

21/08/2008 16:11:33
Mendez is this seasons Cappucho!!
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La Jolla,

Florida 21/08/2008 16:11:51
158, I agree; but have you got any better?
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Daillyman,

21/08/2008 16:22:47
158

True.

Loovins the championship
McCourt who knows where
Sammi Man City. reserve

Spot on SoR.

Davis former Villa POTY, EPL player
Mendes CL and FA Cup winner EPL player
Edu MLS young POTY 2007, USA. internationalist
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Jealousy,jealousy,

21/08/2008 16:23:36
#158 SOR

No arguments there. Its about what context you put "special" in aint it?

Any player who plays week in week out and impresses should do well in Scotland. Also, go on to a Pompey fan site and ask them if they think we are getting a good player.

By your reasoning then i dread to think what you think about Samaras who couldnt get a game and Loovens who is a level below.

Davis had some poor games last year. He also had some great ones. Are you seriously telling me a 23yr old should be written off after a few poor games??
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Daillyman,

21/08/2008 16:26:57
162 Idee/fons

In JJ's defence, for approx every 30 posts you make you mention the Gers, then maybe one about the Celtic.

Its you're choice to do as you please, these are open forums.
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Survivor Of Riots,

21/08/2008 16:33:29
161 - 10 days to go! You've shot your load already. As Walter is a negative manager, the loss of Cuellar to his defensive set up is NOT weighed off by signing some new midfielders of dubious quality. Papac, Clubfoot and big Wearisome are now more exposed than ever.

Even allowing for the new "Moonbeams", i would remain confident of Celtics ability to comfortably do 4-I-A-R.

I already gazzumped some of the bears on here with my Cuellar prediction.

There will be more significant incoming activity at Celtic Park before 1st September.

With the ReaRangers reeling from a defeat at Celtic Park, and the improvements which are to be made, it will be interesting to establish of the same bravado exists amongst the bears going into Sept....or if the planned protests actually do take place!

btw..if everything is rosey in the garden, why were there planned protests??
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Helter Skelter,

21/08/2008 16:42:38
168

Other way 'round....Loovens gave Walter a body swerve.
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Daillyman,

21/08/2008 16:42:56
166 SoR

No bravado predictions are being made on my part.

I will say that the Gers have improved their squad quite a bit IHMO.

I still think the title chase will go down to the last few matches of the season as both OF sides will drop points this season.

I think most of the brash predictions have come from the tic support with the 4IAR we read every day.

As for the first OF match to come, should the Gers continue winning and the tic drop any more points between now and that match, will we hear the call for WGS's head should the Gers also prevail in that match.

One has to wonder.
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Jealousy,jealousy,

21/08/2008 16:44:11
#162 FONS

I have never behind mate. You have been playing catchup all day. Obviously in your own warped mind, devoid of all reason things play out differently.

This argument started with you blethering on about Aaron having a escape claus back to Barca and how Barca made sure they got a good deal. Which was rubbish and once again displayed your lack of football knowledge. He is a Valencia player.

Just remember, the mad seldom see thier own madness. Its never too late to get help!!
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Survivor Of Riots,

21/08/2008 16:45:01
Raging Ranger Sydrome epidemic is spreading again.

The Riot Survivor shall set you free with 2 spoonfulls of truth medicine after each meal
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Survivor Of Riots,

21/08/2008 16:49:08
170 - Walter (nosurname and in whom we trust) has started this season in the same way that he started his last 2 full seasons as ReaRangers manager...with a glut of signings.

He has failed in the last 2 full seasons.

There has been nothing new from him and the pattern will repeat itself. Wake up...you have just been pumped out of Europe by a poor Lithuanian mob.

Walter will be "waltered" in the usual manner. Not a sacking...just an agreed parting of the ways.

Probably by mid Jan.

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Helter Skelter,

21/08/2008 16:51:34
Celtic have sold Evander Sno to Ajax for £1.5m.

That's a nice bit of biz if you ask me, especially as Villa are wanting just their money back for Maloney (£1m), a former Scottish POTY.

The £2.5m windfall arising from rearrangerz humiliating euro exit covers the £1m pay off for Gravesen and put £1.5m into the kitty.

When you add it all up, we got rid of Gravesen and Sno, gained Loovens and Maloney and when you add on the £2.5m rearrangers money, the whole thing cost us £500k.

Thanks rearrangerz! Thankyou, Kaunas !!!!!
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Daillyman,

21/08/2008 16:52:16
172 SoR

We got the the spoonfuls of truth the last 2 weeks from the tics(refs) performance.

Tough to digest.

We want McCurry!
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La Jolla,

Florida 21/08/2008 16:55:05
Survivor,

You seem fixated on Rangers. What is exciting you this season about Celtic exactly?
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Daillyman,

21/08/2008 16:57:54
174

True humped in Europe by a rubbish team, I am sure you can relate to those kind of results, it happens.

Our big weakness the last couple of seasons has been in midfield, IMO the club has strengthened the weakest part of the squad. Things IMO have improved.

Time will tell.
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RANGERS LOYALIST,

GB 21/08/2008 16:58:54
You guys really are scared of Sir Wattie! No wonder the amonut of doubles and trebles he's won.
The man who signed Gazza and Laudrup.
And big Carlos. Nice profit thanks very much.
Did Sir Walter not kidnap wee Gattuso as well?
Whatever, it's no wonder you lot are scared of him.
fonz....is putridness a word? I like it!
As the Dark Horse points out, there's only happiness and optimism along Edmiston Drive.
Rangers FC are looking good for this season.
Roll on next week and the first visit to the hole.
3 points beckon.
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Helter Skelter,

21/08/2008 17:01:26
After the Kaunas demolition job, Peter Lawell was heard saying 'the drinks are on Walter!'
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Daillyman,

21/08/2008 17:03:18
181 Helter

He probably said the same thing after the Artmedia result.

I have heard he likes to keep the tics money in his pocket.
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Survivor Of Riots,

21/08/2008 17:03:36
Indeed - Walter (no surname and in whom we trust) signed Gazza and Laudrup...for European Glory...he failed.

If you we were to look at all his signings, you would find more fhannies on display than at your local brothel.

Scared of him?

Can you confirm he has failed to win the Championship in his last 2 full attempts at it?

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Helter Skelter,

21/08/2008 17:04:05
Gravesen and Sno gone, and will not be missed.

Rearrangerz gave us £2.5m ...ker-ching! Cheers lads!

Loovens and Maloney are added to the squad. Very good signings.

Net Deficit : £500k
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Helter Skelter,

21/08/2008 17:07:00
In fact, the Kenny Millermissedasitter money was around £500k, so you could say we did all that and it's 'as you were'.
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Daillyman,

21/08/2008 17:07:48
184 Helter

Funny that when the Gers were showing an interest in signing Loovens, he was a diddy.

Now after one signature on a contract he is a very good signing.

Has Maloney actually signed? I know Villa will only take 1mil, but did not know the deal was done.
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Jealousy,jealousy,

21/08/2008 17:11:41
#185 fons

Straws,clutching,at.

"Rearrange" ;) these three words into a well known phrase and it typifies the nature of your posts all day.

Thats the REAL truth. And you know it.
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Daillyman,

21/08/2008 17:12:13
186 Helter

With all the money the tic have and the CL windfall to come, does it not surprise you that the tic have not gone out and signed some real quality players that would help you in Europe?
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Helter Skelter,

21/08/2008 17:12:58
187

Brian I think the deal's as good as done.
Maloney has been desperate to get back to Celtic, and has made little secret about that.

The sticking point was always Villa, who initially wanted a right few million but have now agreed to accept their money back.

Maloney will sign in the next couple of days. You can bet your mortgage on that.
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Swordsman,

Dublin 21/08/2008 17:19:15
Evening all..Sweetness and light abounds,I see!

157...Just to raise the issue of Latin as a means of swearing etc..With you, and your team in mind,,,
Floccinaucinihilipilification comes to mind

At the risk of seeming like a smart @rse...I thought that FONS ET ORIGO was "Happy Days"..Isnt that where the Fonz fetched up?
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Daillyman,

21/08/2008 17:20:35
190 Helter

Excuse if I hold off on that bet.

I just think back to a few weeks ago and the arrival of "Tamas the done deal"

I wont mention all the other sure thing signings the tic were to make this off season.
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Swordsman,

Dublin 21/08/2008 17:22:23
Radio Scotland says Maloney at CP as we speak..
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Swordsman,

Dublin 21/08/2008 17:23:49
Of course he might just be loading up on the Xmax "Three in a row" DVDS etc
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Survivor Of Riots,

21/08/2008 17:23:57
Heres a quick question for the Bluenoses on the thread.

Would you sacrifice your new midfield all stars for a team which included Mutton and ugly betty?
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paulmac,

surrey 21/08/2008 17:28:11
Right......who else thinks Steve Davis looks like one of the long lost Chuckle brothers.....

To me.....to you....to me.....to you....


He hit every branch on the ugly tree that boy!
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paulmac,

surrey 21/08/2008 17:31:11
192.....Brian

If my memory serves correctly.....

The red tops had us signing 183 players over the last 2 months....and a bet you believed every single word printed!
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Daillyman,

21/08/2008 17:31:12
195 SoR

While both were good players, I think with the addition of the 4 players in midfield and the addition of Bougherra (excuse spelling) and the possible addition of the centre half from Denmark I would hope we are in a better position to win the SPL than had we stood pat with the existing midfield and the defenders you mentioned.
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Daillyman,

21/08/2008 17:33:17
198 paul

The press always prints the truth, I am sure you know that!
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Jealousy,jealousy,

21/08/2008 17:33:55
#195 SOR

Good question actually.

At the moment id have to say no. Sure we would have one of the best right backs in Britain and a defensive rock in Cuellar but would still be left with NO midfield.
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paulmac,

surrey 21/08/2008 17:34:22
Right......when does the game of musical chairs start at Minty park.....to decide whose next for the sack cloth over the heid and transit van treatment?
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Jealousy,jealousy,

21/08/2008 17:34:37
#199 Dman

Whois the danish center half you mention mate?
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RANGERS LOYALIST,

GB 21/08/2008 17:35:13
Got to give Maloney the benefit of the doubt.
He was probably home-sick like Barry was.
Probably realised that the EPL ain't that good when you can't get a game.
And your team is pants.
At least Barry was a success in the EPL.
Captain of the team with man of the match performances.
I wonder if wee shaun will be welcomed back. He left with abuse in his ears. I think he's a dafty for coming back. Let's face it, he's not going to be a success. He'd need talent for that. He'd also need backbone and he sure ain't got that.
Quality signing by wgs, another in a long line of quality signings!!!
Ha,ha and someone on this thread is slagging Sir Walter......???!!!
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Swordsman,

Dublin 21/08/2008 17:36:40
As a footie fan,I'm glad that the 'gers have a new MF..this might actually mean they will attempt to play back to front footie...NOT having a go,lads but lets face it,last year was hardly a vintage year for the game...
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Jealousy,jealousy,

21/08/2008 17:37:44
#197 fons

If your advice is as poor as your patter and your football knowledge i have had a lucky escape!

NEXT!
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Daillyman,

21/08/2008 17:39:46
203 JJ

Mattias Bjasmyr 22, Danish central defender from Gothenborg, 2 mil is the rumour.
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Jealousy,jealousy,

21/08/2008 17:40:02
#205 Swordsman

Back to front footie?

Is that where the objective is to kick the ball OUT of the net.....
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RANGERS LOYALIST,

GB 21/08/2008 17:40:45
#205 I'm afraid it's a myth but you actually believe it!
Boring,boring Rangers scored how many goals compared to celtic?
Boring, boring Rangers won how many games compared to celtic?
Boring, boring Rangers conceded how many goals compared to celtic?
Conclusion?
Either Rangers weren't so boring after all, or the swashbuckling celtic cavaliers weren't so wonderful after all?
Which one is it Ms Swordsman?
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paulmac,

surrey 21/08/2008 17:41:51
So who will be the players taking part in the musical chair game then........

Big Kooooooosan?
2 erses?
the tatoooed lady?
Charlie (gimme a pie) Adam?
Gash McCluggie?
Kris (sour face....subs bench)Boydiechenko?

The vans are waiting and the sack cloths are ready....all they need is an erchie without a chair....let the music begin!
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Jealousy,jealousy,

21/08/2008 17:42:04
Anyhoo chaps, am off.
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Swordsman,

Dublin 21/08/2008 17:43:26
RANGERS(we get the rest) Are you seriously suggesting that the play on offer last year was scintillating soccer? Get past the need to defend your team,right or wrong and think it through...Please!

JJ the only back to front think I ever had was a Balaclava...
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Daillyman,

21/08/2008 17:51:48
213 Swordy

Although WS and the side got results last season the 3 cup finals, the 2 cup wins, losing the league on the last day, at times we were dire to watch IMO.

As 209 said we scored a lot of goals and conceded a few more than the tic, won our fair share of matches over the 38 league schedule, but the defence and keeper kept us in a lot of matches.

This year I look to the club to improve the quality of play on the park and it should help us win the SPL this year.

See its easy.
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Keyboard supporter,

21/08/2008 18:01:05
Survivor of riots - your post at #115

"!can't we just blow Norn Iron out the water"

"We'll move the republicans out for a day and blow the bejesus out the loyalists"

Nothing more deserving of contempt than a pious bigot castigating rangers fans and then being so intellectually inept as to lay bare his own rampant hatred. Imagine the furore if someone posted the opposite to above - you and your ilk would be apoplectic.

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santa cova,

21/08/2008 18:04:23
153 Royalty......Go lick your English masters.

"Oh Flower of Scotland when will we see your likes again!" Scotland! Scotland! Scotland!


Down with the English loyalists who call themselves Scottish!


Scotland! Scotland! Scotland!

God save your English queen? What a joke.
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kOD,

glasgow 21/08/2008 18:09:48
lafferty called me a fenion in the hampden car park!says it all about yous,and use have the cheek to say wee disrespect ur anthem,wel ur anthem sux abet use wish it was the sash!bunch of bigots
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Daillyman,

21/08/2008 18:17:12
218

Did you show up to the Scotland match with an ROI scarf?

I do love you're use of the English language, when do you go back to school?
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santa cova,

21/08/2008 18:20:48
217 BTO Funny that Rangers had "their backs to the wall" most of last season,and do you know what?

They played dull negative football all season long.
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Daillyman,

21/08/2008 18:23:30
221

"backs to the wall"

I'm no touching that comment, bto see what you started.

The Rangers supporters club and a few cold ones await, later lads.
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santa cova,

21/08/2008 18:23:32
220 Dailyman//////// Your post is typical of all racist Rangers supporters. Get a life you bigot.
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kOD,

glasgow 21/08/2008 18:26:22
220 no i simply asked him if he was looking forward to playing in the champions league this year with his new club:P mon the hoops!pride of scotland haha
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santa cova,

21/08/2008 18:27:31
209//////// Your blethering nonsense is typical of the Idiot that you are. Go away "you orrible little man"
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Daillyman,

21/08/2008 18:29:11
223 santa sova

Before I go, I only asked you a simple question and now you call me a bigot.

I find it hard to believe you run into a NI player (injured) in a parking lot and he out of the blue(excuse the term) he calls you a f----n.

What was he a mind reader?

Grow up dafty, now for the cold ones.
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santa cova,

21/08/2008 18:30:27
227 BTO/////// Well said.

Hope springs eternal.

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santa cova,

21/08/2008 18:33:18
229 Dailyman////////// I retract.

Enjoy the cold ones.
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kOD,

glasgow 21/08/2008 18:36:31
ha nah i found the incident funny 230,now i love how hard u act behind a keyboard so wen you grow a pair and can have a proper debate then al take u seriously!and im of conseting age to vote so u dnt have to worry bout me bein tucked up in my bed,its where ur wifes sleeping u should care about:P gud riddence sweetpea aka loser
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santa cova,

21/08/2008 18:39:34
234 waspy////////// They would have to sit with one another,because no self respecting football supporter would sit beside either of these set of mis-fits.
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Keyboard supporter,

21/08/2008 18:55:46
#235 - "its where ur wifes sleeping u should care about:P"

Bill Hicks reincarnate evidently


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RANGERS LOYALIST,

GB 21/08/2008 19:08:25
Imagine Scotland fans singing God Save The Queen?
Outrageous.
But the most outrageous thing of all is the fact that people want to tell other people what to do.
Don't sing GSTQ.
Why not? Is this a Nazi/Communist/Dictatorship or is Scotland a democracy?
Read these threads and you'd think that there's nothing important going on except people having the audacity to sing a song?
I'd have to say that the Scottish fans last night were a disgrace. Booing the national anthem of Northern Ireland has to go down as the most disgraceful bigotd racist display ever to have taken place during a Scotland game.
The NI FA should complain and the SFA should identify where the booing came from and ban the lot of them.
Or was it acceptable?
Would it have been acceptable if they'd booed the national anthem of South Africa?
Or China? Or Uganda?
Or Ireland?
Oh yes, imagine booing the Republic of Ireland?
Oh, not good.
Farcking hypocrites, the lot of the bluddy tartan army.
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Pattie O'Dores,

In The Conservatory 21/08/2008 19:15:02
I thought that this was a Scotland thread. Anyway, an excellent result last night for the Scotland Under 21 team who thumped Lithuania 3 - 0 on their own patch. A real change in fortunes for a Scottish side in that part of the world!
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The Scotchman,

21/08/2008 19:20:26
Always turn the sound down and usually leave the room whenever GSTQ plays, such as when Hoy got his medals. I am not a Celtic/Irish supporter. I am Scottish and I will simply not have that rubbish played here!

SCOTLAND!
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Pattie O'Dores,

21/08/2008 19:21:35
#242

Billy Stark
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Pattie O'Dores,

21/08/2008 19:32:18
I don't understand Burley's logic re the Centre-Back situation. He correctly left David Weir out of the squad (he'll be 40 when the next World Cup comes round) and chose 2 young replacements in Barr and Berra. Then when Caldwell drops out Burley recalls Weir and puts him straight into the starting line-up. At half-time he takes off McManus, his captain, and replaces him with Barr to partner Weir. Surely, this friendly match was an ideal opportunity to try out the youngsters and see how they would get on partnering McManus (one in each half). David Weir has been a solid, loyal defender for Scotland (apart from his 3 year sabbatical when he took the huff) but we must move on.
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Survivor Of Riots,

21/08/2008 19:35:50
Wasn't Hemdani the guy who Minty wooed to ReaRangers with a flight on his private jet??

wonder how much that cost...

bet he wonders if he could get him on the jet again and drop him off somewhere over the med..without a parachute.

as Celtic get rid of some of their deadwood with Graveson and Sno...Walter is filling his team with benchwarmers!

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Al-Mac,

21/08/2008 20:01:23
Must say I'm a bit baffled by the Northern Irish in their clinging to a union which clearly would do anything it could to get shot of them.

England doesn't want them.
Scotland, (apart from a few central belt headcases), doesn't want them.

Isn't it time they woke up, smelt the coffee, and saw which side their toast is buttered on?

Rule Brittania? Why do they sing in praise about a country which rules them as a colonial power.

Last time I looked, my passport reads "Great Britain and Northern Ireland."

Most colonies welcomed their independence.
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Survivor Of Riots,

21/08/2008 20:22:32
215 - you never actually state if you agree with my post at 115...
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Helter Skelter,

21/08/2008 20:47:03
Brian you were asking in a previous post if I thought Celtic have done enough to strengthen the squad.

I'll reserve judgement until the window closes, but if we get Maloney for £1m, and I'm certain that we will, then at that point all I want more is a good left back.

If we don't manage to sign a decent left back, then I'd say that's pretty poor state of affairs by Lawell.
That was the position more than any other that we needed to strengthen, and I'll be seriously cheesed off if nothing happens in that department.

Mark Wilson I thought played very well against United, but he is injury prone, and his injuries tend to be 'season ending'.

We cannot rely on him. Naylor had a poor season , and at times was just dreadful.

So, Maloney + a good left back and I think we'll be in great shape.
If Hinkel dosn't start getting his finger out, we have Caddis and Doumbe who can both play at RB.
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Keyboard supporter,

21/08/2008 20:49:55
#254 - take a guess Einstein - festering bigot
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True Blue Ontario,

21/08/2008 21:08:36
I see the Scottish republican bigots are out in force -bottom line is Scotland could not beat a depleted N. Irish side who played most of the second half with ten men.

Why dont you bigots grow up - no one really cares about your holier than thou attitudes - definately living in the past you lot.

Next thing we know you'll be blowing up innocents in your freedom fight against the English. Brave hearts the lot of ya.

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True Blue Ontario,

21/08/2008 21:37:02
# 261 (bigotman):

Queen of Scotland and Wales too - long may she reign.

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faddy,

hampden in the sun 21/08/2008 21:44:28
Back to football. Has everybody forgotten how good we played against France,albeit with emphasis on defence,Italy and Ukraine. Great games great support .These guys give one hundred per cent. Let's get behind them.

 

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