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Published Date: 27 January 2008
Overwhelming support from black voters fueled Barack Obama to a decisive win over Hillary Rodham Clinton in South Carolina's primary, a boost to his campaign just 10 days before a coast-to-coast presidential nomination competition in which nearly half the US states will vote.
Obama, an Illinois senator who would be the first black US president, comfortably beat Clinton in the latest showdown in an escalating fight for the right to represent the Democratic Party in November's presidential election.

John Edwards, a former North Carolina senator, finished third.

The win for Obama after two consecutive losses to Clinton, in New Hampshire and Nevada, gives him new momentum heading into February 5 "Super Tuesday" Democratic contests in 22 states.

Clinton called Obama to congratulate him and headed from South Carolina to Tennessee, a February 5 state, as the results began to roll in.

"We now turn our attention to the millions of Americans who will make their voices heard in Florida and the 22 states as well as American Samoa who will vote on February 5th," Clinton said in a statement.

The high stakes in South Carolina fueled a week of angry accusations and increasingly personal jabs between the two candidates, capped by a volley of attacks on Obama from Clinton's husband, former President Bill Clinton, and questions about the role of race.

Exit polls showed Obama won four of every five black voters, who made up more than half of the primary electorate. He also won one-quarter of white votes, higher than many had predicted. Edwards and Clinton split the remaining white vote.

Edwards had chastised his two rivals for their squabbling and said the tone of the South Carolina contest was disappointing.

"There's been a lot of effort by the other two candidates to tear each other down which is why I'm focused on the voters and doing positive things," he said.

Voting was heavy at some polling stations and record turnout of more than 300,000 was expected in the first Democratic primary in the South.
Clinton had left South Carolina for two days during the week and headed to states with contests on Feb. 5, leaving her husband to carry the campaign load here.

All three candidates have portrayed themselves as the strongest leaders of a shaky economy. Clinton has hammered Obama for a lack of experience and highlighted her readiness to lead "from day one" in the White House.

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1

right of center,

Chicago 27/01/2008 03:01:02
It's good to see Obama beating out the wife of the former President.
2

Willie Macleod,

Wick 27/01/2008 03:54:02
The first step I hope he takes every step right in to the White House
3

henrymanchester,

UK 27/01/2008 04:07:43
He hasn't got a hope.

The Clinton's and the rest of the democrat party won't allow it. They want the votes of black people, not to follow them or be led by them.
4

Saul Tyre,

Germay 27/01/2008 04:43:00
SoS,

Why does this story come under 'UK'? Have I missed something?
5

George F,

27/01/2008 04:43:41
henrymanchester, don't be so sure mate, there's a lot of folks over here don't like her politics, paticularly her anti gun stance.
6

Wallace MacP,

Alberta 27/01/2008 04:48:27
#4 Saul Tyre: You don't suppose they're planning to retake the colonies??? Man the guns, man the guns!
7

Willie Macleod,

Wick 27/01/2008 04:51:56
#5 I support her gun stance but would vote for Barack Obama #4 Does it matter
8

Willie Macleod,

Wick 27/01/2008 04:57:17
#4 What happens anywhere on the planet matters whereever it is put in the paper
9

Tatties ower the side,

Johannesburg 27/01/2008 05:05:55
"...South Carolina's bitterly contested Democratic presidential primary...."

Bullsh!t. Hillary didn't even bother to campaign there because it was always going to be a cert for Obama!!!
10

Dáithí,

San Jose 27/01/2008 05:08:20
#3 - henrymanchester

I'm afraid that you are probably right. I'm in California and Billary has the state sewn up by working to set up the Teachers Union, the CCOPA (Corrections Officers and Peace Officers) and the other powerful unions to take the correct Democratic Party Candidate - and that is Billary.

Obama has not made the right 'payments' to the right people in this union state. Come 'Super Tuesday' we'll find out who really runs the Democratic Party.

My guess is that it will be white women.
11

Sinead,

Tanunda 27/01/2008 05:41:16
Well done Barack, Onya mate!!
12

Jim A,

27/01/2008 06:03:16
#7 Willie Macleod. it's a free country mate, you support who you want pal ;-)
13

Jim A,

27/01/2008 06:09:21
#10 Dáithí, agree with what your saying mate, thing is though from what I'm reading she's not too popular in a lot of the Southern States and a lot of the Midwest States ain't crazy about her either. I've even had a friend who's a dye in the wool Democrat tell me he will vote Republican if Hillary gets the Democratic nomination.
14

Dáithí,

San Jose 27/01/2008 06:35:07
#13 - Jim

Right you are, Jim!

She probably won't win a number of mid-west and southern states. They view her as a person from Arkansas that moved to New York only to appeal to their core involvement in mainstream Democratic politics and provide her with an opportunity to be a state Senator without any prior political experience.

In other words, a southern sell-out in an effort to forward her own political career. Why didn't she run for office in Arkansas? Because she is a trendy aristocrat and doesn't want to be labeled as a 'southern redneck'.

People respect someone that stands up for their roots and dislikes someone that sells-out their hometown and state merely for political gain.

To them, she merely appears to be an opportunist interested only in her own gain.

Unfortunately, this is acceptable to three of the big four (California, New York and Florida) as long as the Unions, key to the big Democratic Party picture, are behind her.

She (and Bill) know politics and 'bought them' a long time ago. Obama is a risk to them since he is an 'outsider' to the Democratic Party machine.

The fourth 'big' state is Texas - and this will determine the Democratic nominee IMHO.
15

A Better Way,

Edinburgh 27/01/2008 07:50:41
Hilary is just another mouthpiece puppet of big business. Ask her why she joined the biderberg group, and what exactly do they want in return for their support.

How exactly did this woman attract so many hundreds of millions of dollars, to simply receive a pawltry salary of a couple of hundred thousand dollars.

Yes thats right. She must pay the ferryman at some point, and exactly what is the price in US Dollars. Is it to invade Iran and kill millions like Iraq. Is it to nuke the Iranians off this planet, so they can grab the oil.

How does that Constitution go?. Something to do with "We the People.....", I dont think so. The muppet people of the US gave up that particular right many years ago.

As for Obama, lets face it, the yanks will Murder him like John Kennedy and his little brother, for not being under the control of the real power in the States.

Sad little people, get your kids ready to be slaughtered in the middle east so the Rothchilds and the like are just that bit richer. Ive got a good idea, tell them you will follow right behind their sons and daughters into battle.
16

Pedro2007,

Edinburgh 27/01/2008 07:51:30
#4 Saul Tyre - maybe the sunday Herald is admitting what we all know, that it is the US President who determines UK foreign, military and economic policy.....which makes "Decision 2008" very much a UK story! :-(
17

Alannah,

27/01/2008 08:55:35
The media seems to have a singular talent for over exaggerating Obama's progress based on a single state's polling. He was always expected to carry South Carolina. Hillary is still way ahead in the Super Tuesday states.

We are looking at Clinton v McCain for the White House, I'm almost certain.
18

mrd,

fairbanks 27/01/2008 09:47:52
With the help of the Clintons, the Dem's are preparing to grap defeat out of the jaws of victory. MRD
19

Keir Hardie,

Inverness 27/01/2008 10:26:26
so you're all fans of obama's vacuous motivational speaker schtick then?
20

Silence of the Yams,

27/01/2008 13:46:26
If Osama couldn't win a 50% black state then he should've packed up. This decides nothing.
21

Red Tower,

Dunoon 27/01/2008 13:49:05
I am disappointed with the US presidential elections on two counts. 1. No candidate is standing on an "isolationist" ticket
2. Even if there was one I would not be able to vote.

The sooner the US returns exclusively to studying its own navel the better. The world will then be a safer place.
22

John M. Slusser II,

Nantwich 27/01/2008 14:20:54
I agree with #21, Red Tower, that the US, and quite frankly, all nations, should return to an isolationist stance in politics and commerce. It is amazing that Americans have been duped for two generations into believing that they must have trade agreements with other nations to survive. We could all take a lesson from this, hey? The best political stategy for the 2008 presidential race is to get Obama named the candidate for the Democrats, thereby dooming them to losing again, and rightly so - America does not truly want another liberal (Democratic) mess to clean up again. By putting Obama in the candidate chair, you eliminate the Clinton folly alltogether, and send those professional politicians home. And whichever conservative (Republican) candidate who wins their party's nomination, will win the presidency - because yet again, their Democratic party is self-destructing before they get their chosen candidate into the heat of the race. History repeats itself, names notwithstanding.
23

Paul S.,

Mauricetown, NJ, USA 27/01/2008 14:34:50
#9
Hillary did not contest South Carolina?? I can see that you are in a different part of the planet, and you certainly sound out of touch with the American part of it — or at least only in touch with the Clinton-Spin part of it.

This was a very bitter and nasty campaign, with much of the nastiness (clothed too often in condescending smiles) being generated from the Clinton side.

I finally went for Mr. Obama when the Bill part of the Clinton tandem began stuffing Mr. Obama into a racial pigeonhole. I will, however, admit I was tending toward him anyway (keeping in mind that in my opinion Richardson was actually the best candidate, but not "sexy enough" for the press. Being super qualified didn't measure up for TV and newpapers).

The reason I was tending away from Clinton?: "Billary" will be a disaster as "a" candidate. 1) Who would ever sign on as vice president? Only someone with impossibly low self-esteem. 2) The Republicans will make "Billary" relive every moment of Bill's affair(s) and of her early disastrous attempt to reform health care. We'll hear again about the crockery flying through the air in the private quarters of the White House. Already there is a bumper sticker reading "I'm the wife of the former boyfriend of Monica Lewinsky, and I'm running for President." They have a record, indeed!! And that record will, as one other poster suggested, allow "Billary" to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

We'll be stuck with either McCain and his plans for a second "100 Years War" or Romney and his astonishing and scary belief in a differnt American history than any anthropologist can even begin to find. Thank goodness that the dangerous Huckabee is fading fast. He'd want to use the Scopes "Monkey Trial" as legal precedent instead of the travesty it was and remains.
24

sewjools,

last seen in Texas 27/01/2008 15:16:10
#22 The bumper sticker reads "Monica Lewinsky's ex-boy boyfriend's wife for president." Unfortunately this is the EXACT truth of the matter and as much political experience she will bring to the office if elected. Being a woman I would love to vote for a women for president. Biliary isn't that wo-(man).

#21 (22): Hit the nail on the head, loved the turn of phrase: "As soon as the US returns exclusively to studying it's own navel, the better." Couldn't agree more. We need to stop muddying up everyone else's political system and try to get our own house in order. But politics being what they are every politician seems to feel he has "The ANSWER" to all of our questions, even the ones we haven't thought of yet. Jools

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27/01/2008 15:37:28
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Paul S.,

Mauricetown, NJ, USA 27/01/2008 16:33:37
# 24

Thanks for coming up with the correct text for the bumber sticker. I was trying to recall it without seeing it in front of me.

And if Mr. Obama wants to show some toughness he'll simply take to speaking of "Billary". The implications of that nickname will be more than evident. After all, he's already said he's not sure who he's running against. It's the next logical step.
27

Roberta Burns,

27/01/2008 16:33:57
Aw, just let the wee bushman stay on. Better the devil we know.
28

Media 1,

cape town 27/01/2008 16:37:19
A black man or a woman could be the next leader of America. Times have changed, although I guess it will be another 100 years before it happens again.
It is disappointing that it has become so racially charged, but its to be expected. I see nothing wrong with racially heated debate, its human considering the fortunes of the two communities.
29

Wally,

By The Rivers Of babylon (USA) 27/01/2008 16:51:31
Red Tower in 21:

I don't blame you for being disappointed in this system. All decent people are disappointed in it. I just wanted to inform you that we do have 1 candidate who you might call 'isolationist'. That is Ron Paul. Paul has defeated Guiliani who the media have always presented as a front-runner in 5 states. He has finished 2'nd in 2 states. here are video clips of Paul's performance at a recent Florida debate.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPij7fyIiUQ

Also, in a poll of people who watched the debate 40% said Paul was the winner, only romney scored better at 41%.

Many of us Americans feel that this term 'isolationist' is a propaganda term designed to manipulate us. Paul is loyal to George Washington's vision expressed in his Farewell Address that our country should not get entangled with foreign interests, but that we should be friends to all with no favoritism. Paul would withdraw all US troops from all foreign countries including the UK, Japan, germany, Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, Pakistan, Turkey, etc. The US government should focus on the interests of the American people and not build an empire for the sake of a clique of private business interests.
30

Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 27/01/2008 17:04:46
Neil in 25 is controversial in his statements, but he's also correct. What people should understand about Hilary Clinton is that if she gets in, then this will be a continuation of the bush/clinton dynasty. Friends, the 1'st bush, Bill clinton & the 2'nd Bush all followed the same game-plans & big policies. The 1'st bush prepared many global treaties which clinton signed and the 2'nd bush goes along with. The war policies of these 3 were all about the same. More people in America are convinced that the people who rule us do favor Hilary Clinton, that she will be elected. We know also from her past that she is a criminal & part of the clique that rules us.

Neil's accusations that Bill clinton was a child-raper are fantastic & very controversial. but there is an American woman who claims it happened to her when she was a child, she says that Bill & Hilary in 1980's were the perpetrators among others.
31

Firozali A.Mulla MBA PhD,

Dar-Es-Salaam 27/01/2008 17:50:43
Obama wins South Carolina in racially charged primary
Now let us sit down and talk
We have Clinton screaming his head to Obama. He is defending his wife, the candidate. But then does the politician need any back up to tell the world that the candidate is a reliable, feasible, fit candidate for the president? This is America where the president blows the huge horn about the democracy, the policy of giving choice to the public who to choose, how to choose and who not to choose if the candidate is unfit. The word here says the colour. The racially charged primary and this is primary. What happened the way in saw was. There were the classrooms, the churches, and the trainers to teach you how to vote. Yes I am on the Caucus. A strange way of election. In fact so strange that the population needs the coaching on how to elect. The TV was filled with the lessons. The inner core is the racial choosing. How does democracy work here? You are talking of the Racialist policy. In other words, here if the Obama is supported, and he is, then the racial element creeps in. Is this democracy?
Hello. Mr. Bush and you want this to come to the Arab country. You came begging for the oil? Tush tush.

32

Firozali A.Mulla MBA PhD,

Dar-Es-Salaam 27/01/2008 17:52:33
Obama, an Illinois senator who would be the first black US president, comfortably beat Clinton in the latest showdown in an escalating fight for the right to represent the Democratic Party in November's presidential election.

this is what i mean sir
33

okanaganguy,

kelowna,b.c. canada 27/01/2008 18:02:09
Sen. Ted Kennedy, who is a good friend of the Clintons, this morning has endorsed Obama for President.Let's see how this affects the outcome of the race for the Democratic candidate, regards
34

Katty,

Bannockburn 27/01/2008 18:24:13
At least it is getting the young vote out, first time some of them have been out of their beds before 12 o'clock, but let us face it had Obama, not won in this state, he was burnt toast, no pun intended.

Hillary is well liked in the big states where it matters. A woman in the White House would be fine by me. And not a maid.
35

Katty,

Bannockburn 27/01/2008 18:28:17
Do we really think an endorsment. matters. These days Ted tends to give things the kiss of death.

Folks have long memories.
36

Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 27/01/2008 18:50:50
The Americans should think themselves lucky. Their choice of ex-'First Lady' could have been Cherie Blair.
37

Neil,

Glasgow 27/01/2008 18:59:42
The child raping reference was to his behaviour in Kosovo. Though it doesn't get mentioned by the media the KLA, as well as being openly engaged in genocide both during the war & under NATO rule, have been rewarded by being allowed to kidnap many thousands of children, mainly female, & use them in brothels both in Kosovo & across europe. Since NATO, as the governing power, allowed this, even swearing in the KLA as "police" Clinton (& our own leaders) is legally guilty of child rape & genocide. His wife has never expressed any disagreement with such practices & the Democratic party has received donations from Albanians with no official source of income.
38

Sandi,

San Diego 27/01/2008 19:00:33
The result in South Carolina was not a surprise to anyone. Had it been any different, it would have been shocking.

Obama and his campaign workers have carefully manipulated the words of Hillary and Bill Clinton and called them "racist" and everyone in the media followed on. Nobody said stop, let's look at this. It is now impossible to criticise Obama without being called racist. For seven years, we couldn't criticise George W. Bush without being called "unAmerican" and this is no different, just a different word.

Neither Clinton said anything racist at all. Bill Clinton was correct with his "fairy tale" comment. Obama made a great speech against the war some years ago and since then has done absolutely nothing to end it. His voting record in the Senate is identical to Hillary's. My major reason for not supporting Hillary was her stance on the war/occupation in Iraq. However, she's getting the short end of this stick. Obama is not a significant improvement. He is equally as "corporate". There really is nothing to choose between them , but her health care plan is preferable to his, IMO, and John Edwards is better than either of them.

All these Senators who are coming out for Obama, shouldn't be "coming out" for any of the candidates in the Primary. Their "support" for Obama is purely based on fear of what would happen if they don't support the black guy.

Women, who make up over 50% of this country, once again are getting passed over. Hillary would be a much better president in so many ways.

In the last debate in South Carolina, Obama was a bumbling idiot. Both Hillary and John Edwards were hugely better prepared and much more knowledgeable. yet, nobody calls him on it, nobody holds him accountable for any of his votes, or "presents/non-votes"-for which his excuse was ridiculous. Nobody looks at the small amount of things he has done and considers that some of them show very bad judgement.

This is Obama, the African-American candidate who can do no wr
39

Dekester,

Canada's westcoast 27/01/2008 19:28:46
Hilary for president. Honestly, what a joke. The Republican machine will destroy her should she be nominated.

The Republicans are quietly dancing as the democrats cut each others throats. They keep going on about race(black)and gender. While the political savvy understand that the Hispanic voters. ( often Republican voters,especially in Florida and Texas.) are being ignored, by the democrats.

The Republicans really have got lucky, as any decent presidential candidate would have slaughtered them.

Thanks for everyones views, great reading on a Sunday.
40

GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta, CA..captured from Mexico 1845 27/01/2008 19:28:55
Dudes .

These early win results Hillary 0 and 2: Obama 0 and 2: are not worth the ballots written on.

The Crucial states for Hillary to WIN are CA, NY, TX, PA,NJ, MA, VA. OH,
If she wins the delegate vote in these 8 states, she is almost home and dry.

OBAMA is winning in BLACK votes generally. But this Dude is NOT a BLACK man . His mother was WHITE His father Black.

So he is a "half cast" ( Of mixed racial descent)...

Our TV stations are flooded with "TALKING HEADS" who get it WRONG 90% of the time.

But they get pay checks, $1 million to get it right.

Its the AMERICAN WAY/ The more U screw up the higher Ur pay check .

GC....
ENERGY is it , nothing else would exist without ENERGY.
Calm down dudes.
41

GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta, CA..captured from Mexico 1845 27/01/2008 19:31:59
Dudes:

Obama IS NOT an African- American . There is no such country called AFRICA_AMERICA.

He is an American dudes.

When he calls himself African American he is stoking the evil fires of Racism.

GC
42

57Nomad,

california 27/01/2008 19:41:57
There is something else at work that hasn't been mentioned yet. It concerns the nature of the Democratic Party. Their driving force is a patchwork quilt of special interest groups. The unions, gays, feminists, blacks, environmentalists, etc. These groups have no particular love for each other but support each other for the reciprocal advantages it offers.

Keep your eye on this. A nightmare is unfolding for the dems right before everyones eyes but no one is talking about it, yet. The two most vocal and influential groups in the Democratic party are beginning to go for each other jugulars. The Clintons will do anything to win. And that means they will take Obama down if he appears to have a chance of beating Hilary for the nomination.

Nobody is better at the politics of personal destruction than Bill and Hilary. One shouldn't forget that Hilary Clinton is a disciple of Saul Alinsky. He considered Hilary to be his star student. And for those who are unfamiliar with Alinsky and his relationship with Hilary, Google his name and read up. You don't know anything about Hilary if you don't know all about Alinsky.
43

Sandi,

San Diego 27/01/2008 20:20:36
#57 Nomad,

No, Hillary Clinton is not a disciple of Saul Alinsky. Any cursory review of her brief connection with him will tell you that. Her senior thesis at Wellesly was about him, but she did not agree with him that political change could come only by grassroots organising. She believed "that the system could be changed from within". It is true that Olinsky saw great promise in Hillary and offered her a position in his organisation. She turned it down and went to law school instead.

Barack Obama, on the other hand, employed Alinsky's system in his days working with the poor in Chicago and is much closer to a "disciple of Saul Olinsky" than Hillary ever was. I notice you didn't mention this.

For anyone interested, this is a place to start:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saul_Alinsky
44

GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta, CA..captured from Mexico 1845 27/01/2008 20:30:07
42
57Nomad,california

Hey Dude I just arose. A bit bleary, girl friend went home.

Despite my delecite state. I must ask u dude,

Is Saul Alinsky the same radical agitator who said or wrote.

"that the most effective means are whatever will achieve the desired goals"

Hey,
Obama and Hillary are not problems they are Democrats arguing for the top slot .

Republicans are arguing for the top PROFIT Slot. and to hell with all the rest including the workers.

Enjoy the next rain storm on its way to-night Dude.

GC
45

Sandi,

San Diego 27/01/2008 20:41:45
#57 Nomad,

You say, and many others do too, that the Hillary "will do anything to win". This is a presidential campaign. I expect them all to "do anything to win". Obama is certainly keeping his end up in that respect despite his total lack of experience running a major campaign. His campaign for Senator was a joke. It's easier when there's no real opposition. If candidates can't do "anything it takes" they'll never win against the Republican machine.
46

GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta 27/01/2008 20:45:22
43
Sandi,
San Diego
---------------------------------

Hey Sandi Dude ..go cook Ur self a natural fresh Shroom Omelet. and don't forget the windmills of ur mind.

Like tomatoes, onion, spinach, Salsa ,and Sea Salt crushed. with a a view of the S.Maria Islands of Roserito.

Not all of us, did not go to college (UNIV) dude or dudess.

Are u a female or male, homo sap.
47

AJCole,

Florida 27/01/2008 20:53:59
Actually #35, the dems have super-delegates. Kennedy, and other democratic party office holders are super-delegates whose votes count higher than the delegates in the count. When someone like Kennedy endorses Obama, that is a pledged super-delegate vote. These votes count more then mine or anyone elses.
48

Sambo,

The deep south 27/01/2008 21:01:12
Glad to see GC crawling out from under his rock today.
Actually Hillary doesn't give a damn about losing in South Carolina, the Clinton machine has figured that this will polarize the white voters and give her the edge come Super Tuesday.
49

MichScot,

USA 27/01/2008 22:48:24
Hillary and Barack are both too emotional. Will they make good decisions under fire? He's pulling out the race card and she's falling into traps and some of them are of her own making. They both seem to speak before they think. Is there a good candidate out there? Anywhere?
50

zigzag,

Tecumseh Ontario 27/01/2008 22:56:23
The good guys like Ron Paul and John Edwards come last huh.

Both of the guys have a better message that Obama and Hillary.

Obama does not come clsoe to Edwards anyway you look at it. Will his dealings with a slum landlord come home to dog him?
51

Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 27/01/2008 23:26:29
Neil in 37:

thanks for that clarification. that is the sort of a news story that is a real news story, but very few people are aware of it. It is true. The US ally in the 1999 Kosovo war was the Kosovo Liberation Army who is a sort of a criminal gang heavily involved in heroin smuggling and in international prostitution.

There is a US corporation I think named Dynacorp that gets a lot of government contracts and was very involved in that scandal. Dynacorp officials were helping the KLA in their prostitution business, and they did kidnap under-aged girls into what basically is white slavery. The individual Dynacorp official who was like a partner to the people running the illegal business was reassigned, but Dynacorp was not punished at all.

We should be asking what good is an election when this type of criminal activity is a normal part of business at high levels of government.

An American woman who served as a police officer in Kosovo reported the prostitution gang and that it was tolerated by higher-ups including both US & UN officials. She was reassigned, and then sent to a mental institution.
52

Lynne,

USA 28/01/2008 00:13:47
Wally..People laugh at Ron Paul.. forget the fact he wants to end the IRS, forget the fact he wants to pull out of Iraq, but he came to a state that is heavily, HEAVILY.. populated with retirees and wants to end Social Security!!! HE WILL NEVER BE PRESIDENT. I assure you the older population will not vote for him.
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57Nomad,

california 28/01/2008 01:48:44
#43 Sandi

#43 Sandi

Sandi said:

"No, Hillary Clinton is not a disciple of Saul Alinsky. Any cursory review of her brief connection with him will tell you that. Her senior thesis at Wellesly was about him, but she did not agree with him that political change could come only by grassroots organising."

Sorry Sandi but you have been mislead. You might call three years a brief connection, others would disagree. In the field of social activism, Hillary’s political raison d’etre, she places him at the top along with Martin Luther King, Walt Whitman, and Eugene Debs. In case Debs in unfamiliar to you, he was the five time Presidential nominee of the Socialist Party of America.

Furthermore, when her husband was elected president, she had her university, Wellesly, seal her dissertation. Why did she do that? All senior thesis' are available all the time. Despite this, Wellesly allowed themselves to be bullied by the Clintons into keeping her thesis, and hers alone, sealed. That's a lot of trouble to go to for a routine paper. This is a thesis remember, not a class assignment. It's over ninety pages long. She and Alinsky were very well acquainted. At her invitation he visited her at Wellesly to continue their conversations. Saul Alinsky was Hillary Clinton's political mentor.

Who cares? Most people don't but those that do are troubled by Alinskys most famous work, Rules for Radicals that will post next.
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57Nomad,

california 28/01/2008 01:50:38
Here are Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals. See if you can see any of Alinsky in the Clinton's behavior.

Rule 1: Power is not only what you have, but what an opponent thinks you have. If your organization is small, hide your numbers in the dark and raise a din that will make everyone think you have many more people than you do.

Rule 2: Never go outside the experience of your people.
The result is confusion, fear, and retreat.

Rule 3: Whenever possible, go outside the experience of an opponent. Here you want to cause confusion, fear, and retreat.

Rule 4: Make opponents live up to their own book of rules. “You can kill them with this, for they can no more obey their own rules than the Christian church can live up to Christianity.”

Rule 5: Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon. It’s hard to counterattack ridicule, and it infuriates the opposition, which then reacts to your advantage.

Rule 6: A good tactic is one your people enjoy. “If your people aren’t having a ball doing it, there is something very wrong with the tactic.”

Rule 7: A tactic that drags on for too long becomes a drag. Commitment may become ritualistic as people turn to other issues.

Rule 8: Keep the pressure on. Use different tactics and actions and use all events of the period for your purpose. “The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition. It is this that will cause the opposition to react to your advantage.”

Rule 9: The threat is more terrifying than the thing itself. When Alinsky leaked word that large numbers of poor people were going to tie up the washrooms of O’Hare Airport, Chicago city authorities quickly agreed to act on a longstanding commitment to a ghetto organization. They imagined the mayhem as thousands of passengers poured off airplanes to discover every washroom occupied. Then they imagined the international embarrassment and the damage to the city’s reputation.

Rule 10: The price
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57Nomad,

california 28/01/2008 01:52:28
#54 contd

Rule 10: The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative. Avoid being trapped by an opponent or an interviewer who says, “Okay, what would you do?”

Rule 11: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, polarize it. Don’t try to attack abstract corporations or bureaucracies. Identify a responsible individual. Ignore attempts to shift or spread the blame.

According to Alinsky, the main job of the organizer is to bait an opponent into reacting. “The enemy properly goaded and guided in his reaction will be your major strength.”
56

American,

28/01/2008 02:06:13
Interesting photo of our possible future commander-in-chief!

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/anthem.asp
57

Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 28/01/2008 02:15:56
American in 56:

That was a nice picture. Obama was standing next to Bill Richardson. Bill Richardson was Secretary of Energy when the Dept of Energy hired Wen Ho Lee to archive all US government knowledge about nuclear weaponry. Wen Ho Lee was a Chinese citizen. He emailed the information he was tasked to archive back to China. Something tells me that Obama's little mistake is nothing compared to Richardson's big mistake.
58

Sandi,

San Diego 28/01/2008 02:28:54
#53 57Nomad,

She probably had her thesis sealed so that people like you couldn't draw erroneous conclusions from it. Recognisisng an individual's influence in a particular area is not the same as agreeing with them.

You have still failed to acknowledge that Obama does agree and has used these tactics in Chicago.
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I'mallymax,

upvinesass, scotland. 28/01/2008 03:36:34
I'm hoping I remebered the #'s correctly, 34, and 47; Obama will trounce this caucus.

Let's be realistic, if you had a bit of dosh to bet on a sure bet would you bet Hilary? Me niether. My money's on Obama.

Obama has picked up more non-representative votes than any other politician in the last 30 years. Since Bobby Kennedy. Every 'indenpendent' and all democrats are coming out the woodwork to make sure they vote for this candidate. Obama is the real thing. Only lies, damn lies, and as'stas' will stop this new president.

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57Nomad,

california 28/01/2008 04:48:49
#58 Sandi

Sandi said:

"She probably had her thesis sealed so that people like you couldn't draw erroneous conclusions from it. Recognisisng an individual's influence in a particular area is not the same as agreeing with them."

The reason she had her thesis sealed was to keep it from harming the Clintons politically seeing as so many Americans think people like Saul Alinsky are an AIDS virus in the body politic. If she disagreed with him why did she place him with Walt Whitman, Martin Luther King, and Eugene V. Debs in her heroes of American social activism pantheon? Nope, no matter how you want to dodge this uncomfortable fact, Hillary Clinton is a deciple
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57Nomad,

california 28/01/2008 04:52:12
#58 Sandi

Sandi said:

"She probably had her thesis sealed so that people like you couldn't draw erroneous conclusions from it. Recognisisng an individual's influence in a particular area is not the same as agreeing with them."

The reason she had her thesis sealed was to keep it from harming the Clintons politically seeing as so many Americans think people like Saul Alinsky are an AIDS virus in the body politic. If she disagreed with him why did she place him with Walt Whitman, Martin Luther King, and Eugene V. Debs in her heroes of American social activism pantheon? Nope, no matter how you want to dodge this uncomfortable fact, Hillary Clinton is a disciple of Alinskys and her behavior reflects it. Just as a side note, what is fascination with Eugene Debs, the five time presidential candidate of the Socialist Party of America? Debs, Alinsky, a very unsavory crowd.
62

57Nomad,

california 28/01/2008 04:52:13
#58 Sandi

Sandi said:

"She probably had her thesis sealed so that people like you couldn't draw erroneous conclusions from it. Recognisisng an individual's influence in a particular area is not the same as agreeing with them."

The reason she had her thesis sealed was to keep it from harming the Clintons politically seeing as so many Americans think people like Saul Alinsky are an AIDS virus in the body politic. If she disagreed with him why did she place him with Walt Whitman, Martin Luther King, and Eugene V. Debs in her heroes of American social activism pantheon? Nope, no matter how you want to dodge this uncomfortable fact, Hillary Clinton is a disciple of Alinskys and her behavior reflects it. Just as a side note, what is fascination with Eugene Debs, the five time presidential candidate of the Socialist Party of America? Debs, Alinsky, a very unsavory crowd.
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57Nomad,

28/01/2008 04:52:43
please excuse the double bounce.
64

49th State,

down the hall and to the right 28/01/2008 07:32:08
I will vote for Obama over Clinton or Romney any day. No, I am not black, nor a woman.
65

Quiet John,

Tinley Park 28/01/2008 12:59:28
Looks like Sen. McCain will soon be President McCain.
66

Aoda,

Pennsylvania Wilds 28/01/2008 14:34:51
South Carolina was hotly contested and billy boy was the speaker for hillary. Yes, racism raised it's ugly head and not by Obama. I am not from the South or Midwest but if Hillary wins I take down my flag and will only fly it on certain national holidays.

#21 Red Towerm, this is only the primaries. Wait for the general election campaign and things will really get hot. As for being isonalist it sounds good but thanks to Europe twice in the last century we lost that. First of your stupid war in 1914 we got dragged in. In 1941 we declared war in Japan for Pearl Harbor but stupid Hitler had to declare war on us, so being the good cousins that we are we went to Europe and today are being discredited because we didn't go sooner. We were an isonationalist country then.
67

Thorr,

Scotland 28/01/2008 14:40:53
If he becomes the next American President his skin colour will not matter.

Like all recent American Presidents before him he will have to obey the the instructions of whoever the Israeli Prime Minister happens to be during the course of his Presidency!

If the Israeli Prime Minister telephones him in the Oval Office when he is President and instructs him to invade Iran for example he will be forced to tell lies like George Bush did to justify invading, murdering, torturing and raping Iranians.
68

Voice fae Carluke,

Florida 28/01/2008 14:48:34
Obama would make a great leader of the Conservative Party in Sotland and indeed the UK. Can we bung him a passport. He is just the leader the Tories need eloquent, charismatic and unelectable.
69

American,

28/01/2008 20:37:49
#57-wally-Of course it doesnt bother you that our possible future president & commander-in-cheif doesnt salute the flag. You'd elect him if he burned the flag while carrying his koran.
70

American,

28/01/2008 20:38:56
#67-thorr-What does israel have to do with obama?
71

American,

28/01/2008 20:41:04
#66-Aoda-At least hillary joined others in saluting the flag-obama just kept his hands folded in front of him.
72

Thorr,

Scotland 29/01/2008 13:18:15
Post#70
American

Everything if he is elected!

Like all other Presidents before him, he will discover America is governed from the Israeli Prime mInister's office. He too, will then have to obey his Israeli masters!

 

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