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Published Date: 18 January 2008
MAYOR Douglas Palmer, meeting visitors at Trenton's City Hall, points to a large map peppered with dark dots.
Each one represents a home or group of homes empty because they are on the verge of foreclosure, or repossession, and there are dozens all over the city.

The dots represent only those properties that the sheriff's department of surrounding Mercer
county has identified as being at risk. Many more they don't even know about, Mr Palmer said.

In this New Jersey city, the US subprime mortgage crisis is biting deep.

"Some people are even afraid to talk about it," the mayor said of homeowners facing soaring mortgage payments. "Half of them don't even call their lender when they run into problems."

The challenge, said Mr Palmer, is to prevent more homes from ending up as dots on the map, but the resources at his disposal are limited.

The site of a pivotal battle in the American Revolutionary War, the port city more recently has struggled with drugs, violent crime, joblessness and other urban blight.

The latest crisis threatens to derail years of revitalisation under Mr Palmer, a four-term incumbent and the first black mayor in a predominantly black city of 85,000 people.

Like many US cities, it has seen foreclosures – a legal act which strips owners of the right to property – surge as people who bought homes in a property boom in the last few years face mortgage payments that have reset to higher rates they cannot afford.

More than 600 properties went into foreclosure or came under threat of imminent foreclosure last year, up from 421 in 2006, according to the mayor's office, collating data from a number of sources. Those numbers are set to grow this year. As of December, the sheriff's office had identified 260 properties in danger.

It is not just Trenton that Mr Palmer is concerned about. Foreclosure has become a top priority for the US Conference of Mayors, of which he is president and which meets in Washington next week.

Mr Palmer and other mayors say a mortgage relief plan brokered by President George Bush's administration does not help the many already well into the process of losing their homes.

"The federal government response has been anaemic," said Mayor John DeStefano of New Haven, Connecticut, where foreclosures rose 80 per cent in 2007. "Mayors are talking to each other about this," Mr DeStefano said. "No-one else is going to help these homeowners."

Thomas Cochran, the executive director of the mayors' group said foreclosures could become a defining issue for urban leaders, in the same way the Aids epidemic did in the 1980s, which cities were forced to tackle early on when they saw insufficient federal response.

In Trenton, Mr Palmer has focused for years on creating affordable housing for middle-income people, including a collection of attractive terraced houses in a once-downtrodden area known as the Battle Monument district.

The mayor fears that even neighbourhoods like this one, where mortgages are mostly strong, will suffer as foreclosures rise, homes are shuttered, crime festers and property values fall. Police have reported a rise in copper pipe thefts around the city as vandals strip unoccupied homes, Mr Palmer said.

"This cuts across every area of our economy, of the services we'll have to provide," Mr Palmer said. "When homes are boarded up, neighbours complain of blight such as piles of trash and overgrown grass. Who's going to cut it? The city will have to."

Some mayors are aiming squarely at mortgage companies. The city of Baltimore has sued Wells Fargo & Co, accusing the lender of preying on minorities. The company denies the allegations.

Elsewhere, cities such as Cleveland and Buffalo, New York, are trying to hold lenders responsible for the maintenance of homes in foreclosure. Cleveland has sued companies including Wells Fargo and Merrill Lynch, seeking to recover hundreds of millions of dollars for lost property tax revenue and the clean-up of abandoned houses.

"For some cities, this is going to be a crisis," said John Vogel, a professor at Dartmouth College's Tuck School of Business, who studies property sales.

Mayor Palmer is hopeful there are local solutions that other cities could adopt.

One idea is for community development organisations to buy homes in foreclosure and lease them to the former owners while helping them prepare to repurchase them, something already being done on a small scale in his area.

CRITICS DOUBT CLAIMS OF IMPROVEMENT

THE number of new foreclosures in the United States in the third quarter of 2006 was 60 per cent higher than the number of borrowers the industry was able to help, a trade group said yesterday.

Nevertheless, the Mortgage Bankers Association said its analysis shows banks are working hard to reach strapped borrowers to set up loan modifications and repayment plans.

Making matters difficult, the group said, is a high proportion of homes owned by speculators and situations in which borrowers didn't respond to repeated attempts to contact them.

The trade group, which conducted a survey of companies that collect payments for more than 60 per cent of outstanding US home loans, said mortgage lenders started 237,000 loan modifications and repayment plans nationwide in the third quarter, compared with 384,000 new foreclosures.

"The industry is doing a good job, and I think we're going to see these numbers grow," said Jay Brinkmann, the vice-president of research and economics for the industry group.

Among the foreclosures, 63 per cent involved cases in which borrowers had already defaulted on a previous loan workout plan, failed to respond to efforts to contact them or didn't live in the home, the industry survey found.

However, consumer advocates in the US have been sceptical of the industry's efforts.

Kathleen Day, a spokeswoman for the non-profit Centre for Responsible Lending, said the mortgage bankers group consistently "paints a much rosier picture than has proved to be the case."

The mortgage industry came under fire from consumer groups, politicians and regulators last Autumn after a survey by Moody's Investors Service in August showed that lenders modified only one per cent of subprime loans to people with poor credit records.

A follow-up survey by Moody's found in September that 3.5 per cent of loans that reset to higher levels in the first eight months of 2007 had been modified.

Foreclosure prevention is a top priority for politicians, as 1.8 million subprime mortgages made to American borrowers with poor credit are scheduled to reset to higher rates this year and next.



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  • Last Updated: 17 January 2008 10:17 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

Abel Magwitch,

18/01/2008 02:01:46
There are two deep roots to these problems.

One is excessive salesmanship. Sub-prime mortgages are easily sold by the well known "bait and switch" technique. All too often, house-hungry families would see an advertisement such as "your own place for 3%." The fact that this rate applies only for the first 6 or 12 months was underemphasized, though legally it was stated in the agreement -- in a smaller typeface.

The second root of the problem is that 20% of Americans are completely illiterate, with a further 20% or so barely literate but unable to understand a government form or a set of instructions for an appliance -- or the fine print of a mortgage agreement.

Of course these two problems, lenders' greed and borrowers' ignorance, are not unique to the Americans. They are prevalent here in the UK.

A symptom has been the house purchase "reality" television shows. Bright young people who look like students are cheerfully talking about their budget of "300 grand" and buying detached houses with large gardens. I would guess that this type of show is on the way out.
2

Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 18/01/2008 02:58:59
the mass media has constant BS concerning the economic problems of the US. And look how almost all presidential candidates recommend a spending stimulus to get through these problems. In the mass media any more there is zero talk of what caused the problems. Don't allow yourselves to be so dumbed down by the mass media that you can't recognize straight talk when you hear it.

For almost 300 years we were strong leaders on a world-wide basis at producing things and producing them very competitively. In the year 1700 our farmers were by far the most productive in the world, we were exporting commodities like crazy and this gave us a level of wealth for our people even back then that was very high on world standards. and every decade since then until recent decades for whatever new industry that was being developed we were very much leaders in the trail-blazing.

But 35 years ago our currency became the world's reserve currency. and schemes were also introduced to keep the value of the dollar artificially high. If you don't think that a political agreement between the US and China as well as India for those 2 countries to peg their currencies very low to our currency and for us to accept that peg is a powerful scheme, then you are a fool. India & China are 40% of the world's population. We are 5%. How can we export anything or be competitive with imports to our country when our own government has participated in a scheme to peg our currency very much artificially expensive to that used by 40% of the world's people including especially the very lowest wage peoples on the earth? and look how the successful trading nations of Japan, S. Korea & China all recirculate huge quantities of dollars they earn in trade back to our economy so that their currencies will be suppressed in value relative to our currency.

Our currency has been massively over-valued for decades. and our domestic industry has left our shores as a result. Our farmers are no longer
3

Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 18/01/2008 02:59:56
Our currency has been massively over-valued for decades. and our domestic industry has left our shores as a result. Our farmers are no longer competitive globally. We import more food than we export.

When your industries die, then your people need to find new ways of making a living. Our growth industry is borrowing money. The banking industry has arranged for our houses to be tremendously over-valued so that they can lend us money to keep our economy going. If you think our houses are priced honestly per free-market forces, then why have they increased in value so tremendously the last 10 years even while all our industries die and our jobs are exported? In 2000 69% of the US-residents aged 21-65 had jobs. Today 61% have jobs. and in this environment our housing prices explode? Due to manipulation not due to market forces!

Here is a bible verse.

"Revelation 18:19 And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas, that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate."

able to import products from around the world due to her costliness - her expensive currency. Some of you are mindful that the dollar's fall has been in the news as of late. It is falling because it is over-valued and has been tremendously so for many many years. Keep in mind that we do not export goods to pay for the imports. Our trade deficit is over 6% of gdp and has been for about 5 years. In other words our imports exceed exports massively. We don't need to pay for the imports with exports, but instead with our currency which is inherently costly even though free market forces don't keep it that way, it is political forces that keep it that way. The world agrees that our currency is valuable and so it is. We pay for things simply by expanding the money supply, running up the price of homes is key to that.

If you want to understand what's going
4

Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 18/01/2008 03:02:28
If you want to understand what's going on as to why it got this way, then do a search for 'Sheldon Emry' and his essay 'Billions For Bankers - Debts For the People'.
5

American,

18/01/2008 03:22:36
The problem is that people are not thinking of other expenses while purchasing a house. NJ has one of the highest real estate taxes, corrupt liberal officials & growing population.
6

John Blackley,

Florida 18/01/2008 03:36:32
Abel Magwitch #1 - fascinating numbers about literacy in the United States. Care to share where they came from?
7

Encephalon,

18/01/2008 05:20:13
2&3 Wally well said -I could not agree more. The basic problem stems from fundamental imbalances in the US economy caused by the strong dollar and the huge trade deficit which is being funded via the Capital account.What we are witnessing is part of a fundamental change in the balance of power between east and west which has been exacerbated by the greed of western bankers.

The US$ is significantly over-valued in relation to those currencies you mention. As well as the dollar being a reserve currency it also is artificially strong because of the oil linkage-however the effect on US industry has been devastating. I watched Bernanke being questioned by the Senate committee yesterday and he was asked whether the 1 trillion dollars now owed to China was not a problem? : answer- it could be if the current trend continued for another twenty years. The US is still in denial.

As for the loss write-offs well consider a basic accounting rule that for any loser there must be a corresponding gainer-so who has gained ? Namely those bankers, hedge funds and financiers who have engineered this scam and profited from the commissions.


PS the UK is in almost as bad a position. The saving graces for the US are that no-one can forcibly call in the loans, its economy is still the most innovative in the world and its military is second to none!



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Abel Magwitch,

18/01/2008 06:31:45
hello #6. My figures come from reports of a US agency called the National Institute for Literacy. Sadly, illiteracy (and perhaps also innumeracy) seems to have contributed to the sub prime mortgage crisis.
9

lielayer,

18/01/2008 10:44:20
Fears of mortgage debt crisis as UK repossessions hit eight-year high
· Analysts warn of worse to come as interest rates rise
· Shelter criticises 'irresponsible' lending
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2007/aug/04/interestrates.houseprices

There are currently 67 million adults living the UK, 8 million of which are considered to be functionally illiterate.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/northamptonshire/content/articles/2005/02/11/becky_woosey_the_effect_the_eight_million_illiterate_adults_on_the_uk_feature.shtml
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Fairfax,

18/01/2008 11:13:07
Wally (2): "For almost 300 years we were strong leaders on a world-wide basis at producing things and producing them very competitively."

There's some confusion here. US manufacturing didn't really begin to expand until the 1830s; Britain had a larger share of world manufacturing until the last quarter of the century. See, for example, here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Graph_rel_share_world_manuf_1750_1900_02.png

"In the year 1700 our farmers were by far the most productive in the world"

The great increases in agricultural productivity were in the mid-18th century, but there is some truth in this statement. The key point is access to large tracts of fertile land, allowing farmers in the Thirteen Colonies to produce more per head than in England -- this was the main attraction persuading the English to move to their colonies in North America in the 17th century.
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Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 18/01/2008 13:13:23
Encephalon in #7;

I'm only desperately trying to explain to people what the real problems are, and I'm glad you're aware and see what these problems are. The US leadership refers to their policy of propping up the US dollar as their 'strong-dollar' policy. They use that term themselves, their critics did not develop that term. I first heard that term in the 1970's spoken from the mouths of presidents Nixon & ford. It is this strong-dollar policy that has caused the huge imbalances. and the imbalances are at the root of the problems.

Bernanke we must remember works for a private profit making enterprise. and everything he does or says we should presume is in service to his employer's profits. The more people are kept in the dark and don't understand the real problems, the more likely that his employer (Federal Reserve) will be able to continue what they're doing. We should understand that the cash flow received by the Federal Reserve is about 8-10% of the entire US GDP, and that there are practically no expenses behind all that revenue, it is almost all pure profit.

The entire enterprise is run for profit. who knows what changes will be given us in the future to keep it going. Perhaps a new currency to replace the dollar. Perhaps a new political arrangement. Perhaps a big war.

But all of the discussion in the mass media, especially Bernanke's statements, have a surreal edge to them and I wanted to explain the real problems.
12

Wally,

By The Rivers In Babylon (USA) 18/01/2008 13:20:53
Fairfax in #11:

I did not mean to imply that during this whole time the American nation was the only leader in the important industries developing, but that it was a strong leading nation among several during each decade of that entire period. Sure it is true that American manufacturing did not take off until the late 1800's. Sure it is true that British manufacturing was more dominant up until that time. For the stupid American Republicans please note - we had a big wall of protectionism imposed after the Republicans won the civil war of 1861-1865. and that is when American manufacturing began to really prosper.

and of course it is true also that the American agriculture which was quite something in its productivity even in the early 1700's was this way because of the reasons you said - vast quantities of land to be used combined with a shortage of people, making it easy for a new enterprise using that land to be far more productive than the European farms.

What I was trying to communicate is the huge change we've had in America. We used to be great producers, able to produce everything & anything at a reasonable cost. and now with our 'strong-dollar' systems at play for 35 years we are in very bad shape.

Few people comprehend how money is made and how profit is made from money-creation. That is why I recommend reading Sheldon Emry's essay 'Billions for Bankers - Debts For the People'. If you want to understand why the world is so screwed up - better read it. Your economics professor would be fired if he showed you those things.
13

Let's have the truth,

Queensland 18/01/2008 13:48:54
I suppose it's ony poetic justice after all the cities the US has ruined overseas.
14

Selgovae,

Scottish Borders 18/01/2008 16:43:37
#10 "There are currently 67 million adults living the UK"

Surely that's wrong. The total UK population (including children) was just over 60 million in 2006.

http://www.statistics.gov.uk/CCI/nugget.asp?ID=6
15

Captain Midnight,

San Francisco,USA 18/01/2008 17:25:31
#14
You hate the US and Americans don't you?
16

mike - across the pond,

wally wally wally 18/01/2008 20:17:49
dang wally... your world view certainly is twisted...

A) King George didnt send overwhelming force to the americas in the 1770's because we were blips on the economic radar... we were NOT some agricultural lifeblood of the british empire... or he would have sent overwhelming forces... and our founding fathers would indeed have "hung together"...

B) in the 1700's Europe was beginning the industrial revolution, a movement that didnt hit americas shores until the mid 1800's... yes, we had some benefits of the european industrial revolution in the north before 1800, but the widespread implementation of industry didnt come for nearly 50 more years. which led to our civil war... so exactly HOW we could be leaders when we were behind the curve at that time takes some serious mental gymnastics...

C) we were in no way a world military power before 1890... and certainly nothing to be feared... we were behind the Spanish before that... one of you UKers want to inform wally about Lord Nelson and the Spanish Armada? and even WW1... if you knew your history you would KNOW that it is indeed arguable that it was Influenza that won WW1... not we americans taking the field on the allied side...

bottom line wally, you want to lay off the hookah... go back and READ some history before you rewrite history pal....
17

mike - across the pond,

Trenton new jersey and the sub-prime lending mar 18/01/2008 20:55:32
saying that Trenton New Jersey is in ruins because of the sub-prime lending market is an interesting twist of the facts...

financially some residents of Trenton may be in trouble... but saying the city is "in ruin"??? "facing ruin" would be more accurate... but they KNOW what they face... and now they must find a way out...

Cities want to sue lenders for lost tax revenues, what a total load of BS... the Cities have no guarantees of tax revenues... just as their residents must tighten their budgets in financial hard times, the cities must also tighten their budgets...

if the cities want to help their residents, then maybe they should step in and negotiate with the lenders on behalf of their people... it IS what government is for... representing their people...

filing suit against the lenders for lost revenue is NOT representing or benefitting their constituency... I dont think they are going to win that one...
18

57Nomad,

california 18/01/2008 22:31:29
These things are cyclical. Same thing happened in the late 70's. It won't get wildly out of hand because it's possible to solve those problems by working harder and thats the avenue most will take. Whether it's by moonlighting, working longer hours, whatever, no ones income is circumscribed by their present condition.

The 20% figure quoted by one poster was derived from data issued by National Institute for Literacy. Like all other such institutions they base their continued existence on having a literacy problem to solve. Little illiteracy, little funding. Therefore, they are not a disinterested party. Because of that, their figures do not necessarily reflect true reality. It is unlikely, no matter how lenient a lenders policy might be, that an illiterate would be able to obtain a home loan. So I don't see that as a major contributor. It is much more likely to reflect the borrowers confidence in his or her future than any other probable cause.
19

Abel Magwitch,

18/01/2008 23:45:14
Hello #19. I just ran a Google search on 2 keywords, namely "subprime" and "illiteracy". There are over 10,000 hits. Looks like there is an issue here, which is provoking much discussion. Best not to try and sweep it under the carpet.
20

Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 19/01/2008 00:42:54
Mike in 17:

I stand by what I said. From 1700 to 2000 whatever industry was increasing its productivity during each of those 30 decades and thus causing world economic development the American nation was always one of at most 3 or 4 leaders blazing trails in that industry. We were awesomely innovative. We blazed trails, the rest of the world followed. Frequently during those 30 decades we were dominant in whatever industry was developing new paths. Even in 1700 our farmers were the most productive in the world, our exports to Britain were very important at that time to world economic development. And in the 1990's even 80% of the software actually used world-wide was written by Americans. Not one single decade of that entire 300 years did we fail to be economic leaders.

I'm well aware we weren't the great manufacturing nation in 1750 we were in 1950. During the 1700's no doubt it was Britain that was the #1 leader, but we were still working at it in America and making in-roads as well. From around 1870 to even modern times Germany has been quite a leader as well. and in recent times Japan & China have done so well, I'm aware of all that. But nobody matches our record over 300 years of being leaders in every single new industry breaking new ground during each decade.

In 1945 New York City metro area had more manufacturing capacity than the rest of the entire world outside of America.

and then recently we cannot compete in either manufacturing or agriculture. If you were not so deluded & proud Mike, then you'd care about this and want to know why. I've told you why, and all you do is complain.

I think people can see a glimpse as to how our country got so screwed up.

Let me say it again - for the first time in our history now we import more food than we export. and stupid Americans can't be bothered with silly facts. Instead, we'll just borrow some more money and spend it to stimulate - what more borrowing & spending.

We as a peo
21

Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 19/01/2008 01:02:45
Mike in 17:

I stand by what I said. From 1700 to 2000 whatever industry was increasing its productivity during each of those 30 decades and thus causing world economic development the American nation was always one of at most 3 or 4 leaders blazing trails in that industry. We were awesomely innovative. We blazed trails, the rest of the world followed. Frequently during those 30 decades we were dominant in whatever industry was developing new paths. Even in 1700 our farmers were the most productive in the world, our exports to Britain were very important at that time to world economic development. And in the 1990's even 80% of the software actually used world-wide was written by Americans. Not one single decade of that entire 300 years did we fail to be economic leaders.

I'm well aware we weren't the great manufacturing nation in 1750 we were in 1950. During the 1700's no doubt it was Britain that was the #1 leader, but we were still working at it in America and making in-roads as well. From around 1870 to even modern times Germany has been quite a leader as well. and in recent times Japan & China have done so well, I'm aware of all that. But nobody matches our record over 300 years of being leaders in every single new industry breaking new ground during each decade.

In 1945 New York City metro area had more manufacturing capacity than the rest of the entire world outside of America.

and then recently we cannot compete in either manufacturing or agriculture. If you were not so deluded & proud Mike, then you'd care about this and want to know why. I've told you why, and all you do is complain.

I think people can see a glimpse as to how our country got so screwed up.

Let me say it again - for the first time in our history now we import more food than we export. and stupid Americans can't be bothered with silly facts. Instead, we'll just borrow some more money and spend it to stimulate - what more borrowing & spending.

We as a peo
22

Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 19/01/2008 01:03:40
We as a people would prefer to produce the way we used to do. But instead our rulers have arranged it with this 'strong-dollar' stuff that we cannot. and instead we rely on dishonest & immoral financial manipulations to keep us going. It is very expensive to live in America.
23

Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 19/01/2008 01:08:39
King Nimrod in 19:

rather than talking about whether some Americans are vulnerable to being ripped off by mortgage lenders you should be asking why it is legal for mortgage lenders to do that. If a person signs a contract that takes their property from them in a deceptive way, then something's terribly wrong. It used to be normal that financial institutions were regulated and could not offer bad deals.
24

Ross Fyffe,

Scotland 19/01/2008 04:13:20
Wally I agree that you grasp of history is at best prmary school fiction. Your statement about New York in '45 is actually absurd.

I like America, visisit often, and I enjoy american copany but it is peole such as you with fiction written above that bring ther image of sensability down.

25

Ross Fyffe,

Scotland 19/01/2008 04:21:48
Basically Americans took out loans they could not afford. Is this because of the notion they are poorly educated or did the lenders play on the "American Dream"?

What is the average debt of the american family?

The most recent Federal Reserve study showed that 43% of U.S. families spent more than they earned. On average, Americans spend $1.22 for each dollar they earn.
The average household has more than $8,000 in credit card debt, up from about $3,000 in 1990. An $8,000 debt at a rate of 18% interest will take more than 25 years to repay and cost more than $24,000.

26

Ross Fyffe,

Scotland 19/01/2008 04:23:36
Revolving debt currently totals $735 billion; that's about 31% higher than it was only five years ago. The figure has more than doubled in a decade
27

57Nomad,

california 19/01/2008 15:32:43
#23 Wally

Wally said:

"We as a people would prefer to produce the way we used to do. But instead our rulers have arranged it with this stuff that we cannot."

Wally, by,'strong-dollar' do you really mean, 'strong-dollar' because if you do you, you are not just the only tin foil hat in the parade, you are the only person in the parade.
28

Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 19/01/2008 21:02:32
King Nimrod in 28:

I've counseled you on this 'strong-dollar' policy in the past and you should pay attention. The strong-dollar schemes were first implemented in the early 1970's. They were temporarilly disabled in the 1981-1984 period and have been in place ever since. This fellow named Henry Liu does a good job talking about it.

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Global_Economy/EH14Dj02.html

another good source for you on it is Catherine Austin Fitts.

I realize the dollar trades around 1.47 dollars to 1 euro today and that is weak as 8-9 years ago it was 0.80 dollars to 1 euro. Market forces have pushed the dollar down, but strong-dollar schemes are still propping up the dollar. The over-valued dollar over a very long period has caused the US domestic economy to be destroyed. King Nimrod has a lot of fun laughing about it, but since he says he cares about our country he should be concerned over these schemes.

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Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 19/01/2008 21:15:10
Ross Fyfe of Scotland;

I stand by my view of history. The particular point you picked on I read in National Review magazine, that is where I got that. and I think it to be true.

I am appalled at the borrowing of money in our country, on that I agree with you. What I've tried to communicate to you is that honest industries where we produce things or services for people are not so much available to us any more. Because of the over-valued dollar such industries cannot prosper in our country any more. To replace these things we now have systems for lending money to our people. The borrowing is easy. The whole thing is unfortunate.

Americans & non-Americans alike frequently fail to comprehend how much lending is going on in America. While our industries fail, the financial industries greatly expand their lending to us. it is a system that can easily be used to destroy us, to make us very poor.

Of all the savings generated by the whole world outside of America, about 75-80% of that money is either lent to America or invested in America. This is only one of the 'strong-dollar' schemes. Note how Japanese, chinese, Korean & other bankers around the world cooperate with it. The imbalances are poison, the only fruit from them will be an evil fruit.

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57Nomad,

california 22/01/2008 03:18:52
#29 Wally

Wally said:

"King Nimrod in 28:

I've counseled you on this 'strong-dollar' policy in the past and you should pay attention. "

Wally, either you don't know what 'strong dollar' means or you have just awoken from a Rip Van Winkle-like 20 year nap. I implore any Canadian posters to enlighten Wally on this issue and feel free to use the dollar/loonie relationship as an example.

 

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