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Published Date: 09 June 2008
POLITICAL parties and campaigners were last night ratcheting up their efforts to sway Irish voters on the imminent Lisbon Treaty referendum as a new poll signalled a tight contest.
With just days to go until the referendum, the Sunday Business Post Red C poll found the pro-treaty side slightly ahead at 42 per cent on the "No" campaign's 39 per cent.

Although the margin is less encouraging for those opposed to the treaty –
after a similar poll last week put them 5 per cent ahead – the overall trend is a surging "No" vote.

But the contest appears to be wide open with canvassing in the lead-up to Thursday's European reform treaty referendum set to prove crucial.

Michael Martin, Ireland's foreign affairs minister, said the latest opinion poll showed people who believed the treaty was good for Ireland and the EU needed to get out and register their vote on 12 June. "The result will be close, but the 'Yes' sentiment has held firm," he said.

However, Sinn Fein insisted people should vote "No" and seek a better deal.

The Sunday Business Post Red C poll was carried out among 1,000 voters around the country. Some 17 per cent of those who said they would definitely vote remain undecided, according to the poll.

The Irish Republic is the only one of the 27 EU member states to hold a referendum on the treaty.

Meanwhile, a separate poll yesterday showed a clear majority of British voters would back a looser relationship with the EU in a referendum.

Some 41 per cent questioned in the poll for the Global Vision group said they would like Britain's relationship with the EU to be based on trade and co-operation, compared with 27 per cent who want the UK to remain a full EU member and 26 per cent who favour withdrawal.



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  • Last Updated: 08 June 2008 9:57 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
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Mrs. Trellis,

Devon 09/06/2008 02:43:22
Mr Trellis was delighted to hear that "New Catholic" and devilishly clever Tony Blair is likely to be the new head of the EU and thus Cherie is going to be our EU's first Lady..(well he does fancy her, stupid boy!)...Personally though I'm not sure Brussels is far enough away for their new Palace!

Mrs.T
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Statsman,

Edinburgh 09/06/2008 03:03:40
Let us vote on it. The horror of this treaty is being hidden from us. The EU will not even allow a full document to be given to EU citizens to show what each change in the law will do. They know it is so bad there would be national rebellions across the EU.

Gordon Brown shouldn't be sneaking off to Lisbon to hand over our rights and sovereignty to a non-democratic body run by super-rich elitists.
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Guga II,

Rockall 09/06/2008 05:41:31
Maggie Broon is selling us down the river. Let's hope the Irish manage to stop this treaty.
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57Nomad,

california 09/06/2008 07:28:19
It has been made crystal clear what Europe's position on American policy and politics are. But, God Almighty, what in the world are you people thinking of. Do you really intend on being ruled by non-elected bureaucrats?

This is what you fought for? Why not just bring back the monarchies? What's the difference? You are free men and it is your duty to never allow yourselves to be ruled. You are a self-governing people for now. Why on earth would you give that up for the pleasure of having some French or German guy who you didn't have a chance to vote for make laws you have to obey? Once again on the continent of Europe the Leviathan slouches out of the depths to spread its foul breath of serfdom across the land. Resist, you must resist.
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A Better Way,

Edinburgh 09/06/2008 09:03:12
The EU is no better than the London Government when it comes to corruption and the like.

Scotland will officially be no more than a region of the British sector. Even the poor English will be reduced to a group of regions of the EU.

Of course the treasonous Gordon Brown and his moron party know this, hence the leaders of the member countries got together and agreed that it would fail to win support from the people who make up the individual countries. Thats why there were no referendum with the exception of Ireland. Ireland had to allow a referendum according to its constitution.

We must break free from the EU and agree to participate only on trade. There is not one good reason to be part of a Union that is not based on open and fair representation of the people who live in it. We want Independance from the EU and London. Only Scots have the right to run Scottish Affairs. Come 2010 if we dont vote for self determination we better get used to loosing even our very name. If one thinks they are living in a democracy just open up your eyes and have a good look around. I cant say right at this minute, that the future for OUR SCOTTISH BAIRNS is looking to good. They probably wont have a homeland and the benefits of being counted as a united people, when both London and the EU will crush any further opportunity to regain our inherent right to self determination.
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Alan B,

09/06/2008 10:07:26
Generally speaking i am supportive of the EU.
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Evia,

09/06/2008 14:24:21
www.eunow.eu/EU_leaders_spill_beans.html

stopblair.eu/indexen.html

www.gopetition.com/petitions/gordon-brown-resign.html

www.iwantareferendum.com/

strangemaps.wordpress.com/ Then scroll to 267
This shows how Great Britain will be divided

The Lisbon Treaty must not be ratified unless you want Scotland to disappear forever. Once ratified, the treat will make us a region of the EU forever.

There is an interesting booklet by Ashley Mote, MEP, that is very worthwhile getting. It is free, but extra copies cost £1 each if you want more. You should also take time to watch his video, which is one of the many on the subject of the EU. I got a copy of the booklet and it opened my eyes further to what life will be like under the dictatorship of the EU. It is written in plain language and easily understood - there's no gobbledygook.

uk.video.yahoo.com/watch/2082826/6539269
Ashley Mote MEP - We Must Not Ratify The Lisbon Treaty

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6901353.stm
The Lisbon Treaty - You will be able to download Treaty details.

There is a lot of stuff on the Internet about the EU. Many Europeans are not too pleased that their countries are in the EU and you will see why when you read the stuff.

The politicians responsible for the mess we are in, and how much deeper in the sh*t we will be, are obviously looking for high positions within the EU. Anyone who allows our country to be taken over by a foreign power is a traitor.

Where is Alex Salmond when all this is going on? He doesn't care about Scotland if he lets it all happen.

I hope Ireland brings in a "NO" vote.
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Alan B,

09/06/2008 14:30:43
#Evia

I googled Ashley Mote, MEP, after ur post. Just to see if he was just one of these ukip plonkers. What did i find this guy had the whip removed by ukip and is a racist politician and also a convicted fraudster.

"An outspoken critic of fraud in the European Institutions, he himself was convicted of benefit fraud in 2007 for which he served a nine-month sentence and was described by the trial judge as "a truly dishonest man". "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashley_Mote

Sorry to blow ur credibility.
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Neil,

Glasgow 09/06/2008 15:30:40
Still at least he didn't stand on a platform of letting us have a vote on this Constitreaty & then, as soon as elected, break his word.

How different from the truly dishonest men & women who fill the Labour & LibDem benches.
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Alan B,

09/06/2008 16:53:55
#11 Neil

It is pathetic trying to justify this guy. So it is ok the be racist in ur view. Because from what i saw of him he is near bmp in his views. He is clearly a dishonest guy, that is why he was convicted.

I did not know anything about him but just read the previous post. It was noticable in his post that he was telling us how great the guy was when he clearly is not. Even ukip had to get rid of him.

I am a labour supporter and what they did promising a referendum and then getting elected and then backing away from it is clearly not right. Although they did offer a referendum on the constitutional treaty this is not that treaty but a rehash after the constitutional treaty was voted down. However it does seem close enough for labour to be complete wrong in this. However labour and ethics are never close.

Part of the problem is with the british constitution that allows brown to take over from blair without an election.

While i do not support the lib dems. I do agree with their position of having a referendum on eu membership rather than having on individual treaties. Otherwise u would never get agreement between 30 odd countries.

The EU should however not keep having more treaties every few yrs. It should be one per 20yrs type of thing.

I am pro eu but do want its structure to be devolved. I like the single market. I like the single currency although i think countries should choose whether to join or not. I like the freedom of movement of people. I like the idea of a common foreign policy (not single) with co-operation on defence issues. I beleive having working together for global environment policies is a good thing.
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Alan B,

09/06/2008 16:56:58
sorry should have said NOT a labour support. what a mistake to make.
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ddmc,

09/06/2008 17:05:17
as long as they're not using machines to count the vote !
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Neil,

Glasgow 09/06/2008 18:46:22
Fair enough Alan I don't really justify him but I do think if he was being used as a club tohit UKIP some proportion should be used. If I had been in a bad mood i would have accused them of engaging in war crimes & genocide (in Kosovo) too.

I would welcome & even accept the LD's proposal for a referendum on actual membership. They support it because (A) they think the public are sufficiently scared of going it alone they could win it & (B) it gives them a fig leaf. I think, when the EU "enterprise" commissioner is on record as saying that their regulations cost the continent £405 billion annually, such a referendum would not go as intended, but then I might be wrong instead. That is the problem with refernda as Ireland is showing us.#

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Alan B,

09/06/2008 19:06:49
#Neil

I assume u would like to leave the EU. My problem with that is it would cut us of from the single market.

If u look at britain before eec membership the country was heading downhill economically as it could not come to terms with the economic adjustments post empire. Our productivity was falling behind our european competitors.

It was only after joing the eec and alot of painful reforms did the uk start enjoying the economic prosperity that we have today. Even then we are still behind many of the small western european countries.

There is an assumption or hope that if we left that we could still enjoy being withint he single market. that is unlikely. even in the US they are talking protectionism and the EU is far worse for that. It is very unlikely that the uk would enjoy efta membership.

there is also the problem that efta countries have to accept rules and regulations that u have no part in constructing. They could easily say yet the uk can be part of the single market but only if we sign up to the social chapter etc.

The single market from a eu perspective is a compromise between the right wing free market ideology and social chapter to keep the left on board.

the uk is successful economically becuase of international trade. we would suffer without it. even if and that is a huge if the uk was to be economically succesful after leaving it would only be after very painful reforms and economic adjustments. do we really want to live through the 70s and 80s again.
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Terrier2,

09/06/2008 20:21:14
# 16 - So why did the Lib Dems not vote for the UKIP amendment in the House of Lords for such a vote? The Lib Dems do not support a referendum on Eu membership - Nick Clegg's position was to hide the fact he reneged on his promise of a referendum on the Lisbon treaty, and that his MPs could abstain from the key vote on a referendum on the treaty.

As a former MEP Clegg will also be able receive a pension from the EU on condition that he does nothing to damage its interests. You will not find a promise of a UK referendum on Eu membership in their next manifesto I can assure you! He is as dishonest as Ashley Mote, or indeed most of EU commissioners themselves.

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Terrier2,

09/06/2008 20:38:12
#10 UKIP expelled Mote from the party, there have also been others rightly expelled for unacceptable views. The party has Non racism, Non Sectarianism embedded in its constitution. What does the labour party do its MPs caught fiddling their expenses? or what do the other main parties do?? The standard approach seems to be to rally round to support them - not take any action. There is no longer anything to distinguish between them.

It also now seems UKIPs position free trade with the the EU, not membership is much more in tune with the views of the people of Britain than any of the main parties, and they do not have a track record breaking promises on Europe. I expect we will be seeing more of these plonkers after the next European parliament election, and fewer of the Lib/Lab/SNP/Con spongers.

 

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