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Published Date: 17 August 2008
Russian President Dmitry Medvedev added his signature to a French-led peace plan already endorsed by Georgia and by leaders of its two rebel regions.
But Medvedev then ordered "extra security measures" in the conflict zone while foreign minister Sergei Lavrov said the withdrawal of Moscow's forces would depend on them being implemented.

The developments came in a day of rising tensions in the
war-torn region with Russia also threatening the arming of its Baltic fleet with nuclear warheads for the first time since the end of the Cold War.

A Russian defence source said: "The military is reviewing all its plans."

The move came in response to American plans for a missile defence shield in Europe and last week's agreement by Poland to station it on its soil.

Yesterday, Ukraine, a close ally of Georgia, inflamed the situation further by offering a Soviet-built satellite facility to the US as part of the defence system. Both Poland and the Ukraine may now be added to Russia's nuclear hit-list.

In the immediate crisis in Georgia, the peace agreement drafted last week authorises Russian forces to proceed with "additional security measures on a temporary basis" while awaiting the arrival of international peacekeepers – which requires passage of a UN Security Council resolution.

But Russia showed little sign yesterday of complying with US demands it should pull out of Georgia immediately.

US secretary of state Condoleezza Rice stepped up the pressure on Moscow by calling a meeting of foreign ministers from the 26 Nato states for Tuesday to consult allies about the implications of the Russian action.

Meanwhile, Kurt Volker, the US envoy to Nato, said the future of Nato-Russia dialogue and cooperation forums established after the Cold War would now be up for review.

US President George Bush, after meeting his national security team, said that there was progress in resolving the Georgia crisis. The fact that Russia and Georgia had signed a ceasefire agreement was "a hopeful step", but Russia needed to honour the agreement and withdraw its forces.

Bush, speaking at his Texas ranch, said the breakaway regions of South Ossetia and Abkhazia, which have been supported by Russia, were part of Georgia and "there's no room for debate on this matter".

Despite some reports of partial withdrawal from towns in Georgia yesterday, violence on the ground continued.

Georgia accused Russian troops of blowing up a railway bridge in broad daylight, saying the country's main east-west train link had been severed.

Russia's general staff denied attacking the bridge, declaring that hostilities that flared nine days ago around South Ossetia were over, as far as it was concerned.

"We are now in peace time. Why should we be blowing up bridges when our job is to restore?" said Colonel-General Anatoly Nogovitsyn, deputy chief of the general staff.

However, villagers said men in military uniform arrived by jeep, uncoiled wires and detonated a device remotely. The blast blew out windows of nearby homes. Irregular militias based in South Ossetia have also been operating against Georgian targets in recent days.

Meanwhile, rebels from the breakaway region of Abkhazia – backed by Russian forces – were also claimed by Georgia's Foreign Ministry to have seized control of 13 Georgian villages and a power plant bordering the region.









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  • Last Updated: 17 August 2008 12:09 AM
  • Source: Scotland On Sunday
  • Location: Scotland
  • Related Topics: Russia , Georgia
 
1

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 17/08/2008 01:43:32
Russia may be winning the Battle of Georgia, but they are loosing the Propoganda War.

All over europe people are waking up to the idea that Russia is a threat.

Except for anti-democratic cretan faction illustrated frequently on these boards by Mashimaro,mk-ultra,lets have the truth,Brodric,JohnnyF,The Spectator and Neil the Glasgow communist.

These moral relativists who think that because America (democracy) invaded Iraq (dictatorship) that it gives Russia (Fascist State) the right to invade Georgia(Democracy).

They fail to understand that the only form of legitimate government is Democracy. All states ruled by Dictatorships (China, Russia, Zimbabwe, Burma, North Korea, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Iran,) are by their very nature illegimate and as such are legitamtate targets for liberation.
2

Ivona Vujica,

Ottawa, Canada 17/08/2008 01:49:02

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There has been grievous outsized naked aggression and intimidation of the former Soviet republic and free, Democratically elected Republic of Georgia. President Dmitry Medvedev has unofficially called off all hostilities.

1) We demand the permanent full cessations of hostilities in The Georgian region.

2) We demand the unpartisan protection, safety and welfare of all civilians

3a) We demand that Canada immediately halts Rabaska Gazprom Liquified Natural Gas (LNG) facility in Quebec

3b) This facility effectively establishes a Russian Energy Beachhead in North America and in a time of crisis would endanger Central Canada and help destabilize North America.

A full LNG tanker from Russia, if it should "accidentally" explode, has been proven to have an impact of 55 Hiroshima Nuclear Bombs. The Rabaska LNG facility itself located just across from Quebec City, opposed by local citizens, would itself have the effect of heavier impact nuclear bombs.

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Enbridge Inc. and their partners Gaz Metro and Gaz de France announced last month(June 2008) that the company has signed a Letter of Intent with Gazprom Marketing & Trading USA, Inc., which outlines the terms under which Gazprom will become an equity partner in the proposed Rabaska liquefied natural gas (LNG) regasification project.

Under the agreement Gazprom has agreed to supply 500 million cubic feet per day to the $840-million terminal east of Quebec City.

The Rabaska terminal is expected to introduce a new source of natural gas supply to the Quebec and eastern Ontario markets.

"The Rabaska LNG project will deliver the critical infrastructure needed to bring an important new source of natural gas supply to Ont
3

Mashimaro,

China 17/08/2008 01:55:12
On the contrary. Many people are waking up to the fact that the people who started this - the Georgians, were armed and trained and inspired by none other than the US.
They are also waking up to the BS printed in your western media.
This is an extremely slanted story making it sound as if Russia is not honouring its agreement. A ceasefire is just that, it is not a withdrawal.
Just like in Iraq, withdrawal at this stage would be to encourage lawlessness and further retaliation against Russian citizens.
I don't know if you can wrap your mind around this... but Democracy is not an ideal worth killing for. It is not a legitimate ground for invading another country. It has become the new crusade of the dictatorial west. Countries have a right to govern themselves the way they want to. You have no right to instigate regime change to suit your whims. That is agression beyond the pale.
You no longer run the world. Get over it.
4

Ivona Vujica,

Ottawa canada 17/08/2008 01:56:27

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needed to bring an important new source of natural gas supply to Ontario and Quebec," said Stephen J.J. Letwin, executive vice president, gas transportation and international for Enbridge.

"This new supply will benefit the two provinces' growing number of natural gas consumers, many of whom are customers of Enbridge Gas Distribution, as well as support Ontario's increasing emphasis on natural gas to fuel environmentally responsible power generation. Gazprom's involvement in the Rabaska LNG project gives strong momentum to advancing this project and meeting those needs."

Using the Rabaska terminal, Gazprom, which is a subsidiary of OAO Gazprom, expects to import Russian LNG supplied from the Shtokman liquefaction project.

The Shtokman gas and condensate field, discovered in 1988, is located in the central part of the Barents Sea, about 450 kilometers northeast of the city of Murmansk, Russia.

http://www.journalofcommerce.com/article/id28110

Mr. Medvedev, born in 1965, is a lawyer and former law professor who worked in politics and business in St. Petersburg after the collapse of the Soviet Union, bringing him into close contact with Mr. Putin and the other reformers in that city's government. He followed Mr. Putin to Moscow in 1999 and, despite his relative youth, rose influence and prominence. In 2000, Mr. Medvedev became chairman of Gazprom, the energy giant, which has increasingly become a wealthy corporation and instrument of Kremlin foreign and domestic policy.

http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/m/dmitri_a_me...

Prime Minister Vladimir Putin flew from Beijing just north of South Ossetia to meet with Russian generals – like Julius Caesar at the Rubicon – (CAESER NON SUPRA LOGOS GRAMMATICOS) – yet the Russian Constitution states that President Dmitry Medvedev is Commander in Chief.

To be fair, the Republican Bush-McCain administration has been stoking and provok
5

Ivona Vujica,

17/08/2008 01:58:14

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To be fair, the Republican Bush-McCain administration has been stoking and provoking this crisis by insisting on Georgia's inclusion in the Cold War NATO alliance, even against the advice of its European allies.

Senator John McCain's top foreign policy advisor Randall Scheunemann, as pointed out by Governor Bill Richardson (New Mexico) has professionally lobbied for Georgia's inclusion into NATO. Senator McCain himself as chairman of the International Republican Institute has long sought for inclusion of Georgia into NATO.

The Republican Bush-McCain administration has also long sought and are imminently attempting to implement "Missile Shield" in former Eastern Bloc countries notably Poland and Czech Republic - Remember the Cuban 1962 October Missile Crisis? No Redux.

Sen. John McCain has been accused by Judicial-Watch of Accepting improper Donations from
Lord Jacob Rothschild.

https://www.judicialwatch.org/news/2008/apr/judicial-watch-calls-fec-inv...

Lord Jacob Rothschild is heavily involved with Russian Oil Giant Yukos and Oligarch Mikhail
Khodorkovsky-the article(Washington Times and BBC) states Khodorkovsky gave Lord Rothschild all his controlling shares.

http://washingtontimes.com/news/2003/nov/02/20031102-111400-3720r/

Senator McCain in a well known statement has said when he looked into Vladimir's
Putin's eyes all he saw was 3 letters K,G and B., fair enough, but we suggest when we look
into Sen. John McCain's eyes we see 3 letters, M.I.A..

America and the World we ask you can you Trust John McCain with his finger on the
Nuclear button?

The Georgians and other Eastern Europeans and indeed the World with friends like the Republican Bush-McCain administration who are the representative of King Coal, Big Oil and Gas, Nuclear power and Weapons, who needs enemies like Putin, who also represents King Coal, Big Oil and Gas, Nuclear power and Weapons? The world needs to know th
6

Ivona Vujica,

Ottawa canada 17/08/2008 01:59:25

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Where were you when they crucified Georgia?
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7

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 17/08/2008 02:14:29
Mushi:

"Countries have a right to govern themselves the way they want to. You have no right to instigate regime change to suit your whims. That is agression beyond the pale."

You are basing your premise on the ludicrous idea States without democratically elected governments have legitimacy.

They do not.

Only states that are democractically elected have a right to repesent their people. You regime in China is illegitimate. You are simply a state under dictatorship waiting for liberation.
8

KampungHighlander,

17/08/2008 02:38:55
Mushi

"Countries have a right to govern themselves the way they want to."

People have a right to govern themselves the way they want to.

There is no other way of determining what the people want than through the democratic process.

Therefore all undemocratic countries are not representrative of their Peoples wil. Hence they have no legitimacy.
9

Andrew BOD,

Aberdeen/shire 17/08/2008 02:42:01
3 Mashimaro

The Russians are turning a blind eye to lawlessness in Gori.
10

Mashimaro,

China 17/08/2008 03:17:46
#9 allegedly. I don't really believe everything I see on Sly News.
11

Mashimaro,

17/08/2008 03:20:01
#8 No they don't. The general public is often too stupid to know who should rule it. Take a look at your democracy in action in Africa. It's a joke.
Democracy is a subversive means by which countries are kept weak and indecisive so they are more easily rulled by the business community. I dare you to prove me wrong. And when they are ruled by the business community the best interests of the people are not met.
A government's responsibility is to protect its people against big business, not bend them over for it.
12

Andrew BOD,

Aberdeen/shire 17/08/2008 03:24:43
10 Find out from the UN. Their trucks are being hijacked by militias. And there's many more eyewitness reports not on Sky. It's happening.
13

Mashimaro,

China 17/08/2008 03:33:40
#12 yeah probably. *shrug*. Russia's got a job to do, and it won't leave before it finishes that job.
14

Mashimaro,

China 17/08/2008 03:36:08
Intersting that eveything the Russians say on Sly News is "allegedly" or "so they claim". but everthing the Georgians say is "fact".
15

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 17/08/2008 04:04:55
Mushi:

"Democracy is a subversive means by which countries are kept weak and indecisive so they are more easily rulled by the business community. I dare you to prove me wrong. And when they are ruled by the business community the best interests of the people are not met."

A very curious argument coming from someone in China.
The land where peasants are disposed of their land with no remuneration so factories can be built by businessmen with political connections. In a democratic country this trampling of peoples legitimate property rights would not be tolerated.

You asked me to prove you wrong. I think the onness is on you to prove the veracity of your statement.

I look forward to your responce but I am afraid your arguments will only appeal to a demented fringe element on this website.

Something you may not know about Scottish people is their belief, spelled out in the Declaration of Arbroath over 600 years ago, that Sovereignty resides with the people. They only lend this power to their Government and can withdraw it any time they want.

That must be absolute athema for a fascist such as yourself.

The best way forward in this crisis, is to hold a UN supervised referendum in South Ossetia and Abkhazia. To make sure that the results are legitimate, Russian forces will have to leave both disputed enclaves and be replaced by UN peacekeepers. It will only be through a referendum that all sides will view this transfer of sovereignty as legitimate and this crisis can be solved.

You should consider the same method to solve the problems with China's occupation in Tibet and East Turkmenistan.

16

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 17/08/2008 04:12:12
Mushi:

"A government's responsibility is to protect its people against big business, not bend them over for it."

A government's responsibility is to protect its peoples human rights and ensure the rule of law. Something that China fails to do, therefore it is an illegitimate government.

17

Mashimaro,

China 17/08/2008 05:57:39
#16 Yeah right, let them starve to death while you give them the vote - eejit. I love the way you sit in your little ivory tower and dictate to the rest of the world how it should run its country.
I can just see you stuffing your face with food from the local chippy - what is it, fried mars bars? While children in India starve to death - but hey, at least they've got those human rights eh.
18

Mashimaro,

China 17/08/2008 06:01:07
"You asked me to prove you wrong. I think the onness is on you to prove the veracity of your statement."

I'm getting so tired of saying this... but once again for your benefit... China has lifted more people out of poverty faster than any other country in the world.

That, to me, ends all arguments you might have about pie in the sky "rights". Those "rights" are ideals decided by your society to fit your world. They are not decided by my people to fit my world. You have to right to dictate to us how we run our country. We are not a British colony. Go back and eat some more lard while the rest of the world figure out what's best for it.
19

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 17/08/2008 07:04:12
"eejit....I can just see you stuffing your face with food from the local chippy"

I dont believe you are either Chinese or living in China as you claim.

Your use of Scottish vernacular leads me to believe you are nothing more than a wee little red clydesider living in a bedsit in Paisley. The ultimate of the dead dodo's.

Just because you eat that brown gravy covered sh!t that mascarades as Chinese Food in Scotland, does not make you a Chinamen.

"what is it, fried mars bars?"

For your information you plug ignorant lefty retard. Indonesians though fond of deepfrying everything have yet to discover the joys of the deep fried Mars bar.

" While children in India starve to death - but hey, at least they've got those human rights eh"

I am glad you brought up India, the worlds largest democracy. Which unlike your beloved rathole China has legitimate government. Just goes to show that democracy is not incompatable with developing economies.

"China has lifted more people out of poverty faster than any other country in the world."

It was not China that did it, it was capitalism. Unfortunately your CCP did not want to extend the full benefits of civilization and also embrace democracy.

"Those "rights" are ideals decided by your society to fit your world. They are not decided by my people to fit my world."

You don't live in China you liar. That being fact, we will never know because they have never been asked. The commies seized power in 48 and have ruled illegitimately ever since.

"Go back and eat some more lard while the rest of the world figure out what's best for it."

Only if its smothered in brown gravy so it tastes like Glaswegian Chinese Food.

20

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 17/08/2008 07:12:31
Mushi #18

"I'm getting so tired of saying this... but once again for your benefit... China has lifted more people out of poverty faster than any other country in the world.
That, to me, ends all arguments you might have about pie in the sky "rights"."

They lived in poverty because China was a Communist state wedded to a failed socialist economic system.

China still claims to be an autocratic communist state, but since you abandoned socialism for capitalism while keeping the autocratic rule they are now a Fascist state.
21

Piotr,

Warsaw 17/08/2008 10:44:33
"Yesterday, Ukraine, a close ally of Georgia, inflamed the situation further by offering a Soviet-built satellite facility to the US as part of the defence system. Both Poland and the Ukraine may now be added to Russia's nuclear hit-list."

The good news is that in the face of the Russian aggression in Caucasus smaller nations of the Central Europe decided to work together closely. Russia showed these nations (Latvians, Estonians, Lithuanians, Ukrainians and Poles) that upholding ancient rows is a stupid policy. Until now Russia managed to divide these nations by fuelling arguments and using mixture of power and corruption. Now the Russians showed the power alone, which is going to backfire. As far as the cementing the Central Europe is concerned the Russians can call themselves "peacekeepers" or even "friedshipkeepers".
22

Royc,

London 17/08/2008 11:21:01
"Russia's got a job to do, and it won't leave before it finishes that job."

Russian troops have moved to Kalpi and Igoeti en route to Tbilisi. Look at a map and they control the road access to the Eastern part of South Ossetia, the Ksani Valley. The entire valley, including the main town, Akhalgori, is Georgian. 17 Georgian villages, no Ossetian ones. But now the Russians have blocked any intervention, a column of 1,000 separatist irregulars are on the move there. Anyone can guess what comes next - another serious bout of bloody ethnic cleansing, facilitated, planned and encouraged by Russia, as they seek to carve out the maximum amount of someone else's territory to add to their own.

The Russian apologist here dwells in the land of nationalistic propaganda and rhetoric. The rest of the world is seeing close-up the real face of Russia and pleasant it is not. Sashwhatever, this is just the start and there is going to be a very serious, unanimous international backlash against the new Kremlin imperialists in every field from trade and economics to diplomacy and defence. The queue to join NATO will be rather long and warmly welcomed.
23

Neil,

Glasgow 17/08/2008 14:08:31
The Rusians do not appear to be appointing terrorists as "police" nor committing massacres, nor kidnapping schoolchildren, nor dissecting Georgians for their organs.

Consequently we can say weith absolute certainty that there is not a single honest person who does not consider Putin vastly more honourable than any loyal memeber of any of the NATO governments which do these things.
24

McGinty,

17/08/2008 16:01:33
Blair was a scumbag, Bush is a scumbag, Saakashvilli is a scumbag, but we can consequently say with absolute certainty that Putin has been, is, and probably always will be, a scumbag.
25

John61,

17/08/2008 16:48:50
Ceasefire us/uk imperialist-style: tanks, troops and frightened civilians massmurder, torture, refugees, ethnic cleansing. LIES, LIES, and more PROPAGANDA: IRAQ, Yugoslavia, GUATEMALA EL SALVADOR ETC., ETC, ETC.

Go fool your self you pathetic imperialist sock p-u-p-p-e-t NOBODY.
26

The Pict.,

17/08/2008 20:23:10
# 1 KAMPUNG Funny when the Paletinians voted HAMAS the first 2 countries to refuse to recognize the democratic vote were AMERICA and ISRAEL who were quickly followed by their lackies.

Where were YOU then?
27

SouthernGent,

17/08/2008 21:19:29
"Both Poland and the Ukraine may now be added to Russia's nuclear hit-list."

Thats a funny one. One would have to believe they were not already targeted for that statement to be true.
28

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 18/08/2008 08:28:03
The Pict:
"# 1 KAMPUNG Funny when the Paletinians voted HAMAS the first 2 countries to refuse to recognize the democratic vote were AMERICA and ISRAEL who were quickly followed by their lackies.

Where were YOU then? "

I dont know, remind what day that happened and I will consult my diary.
29

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 18/08/2008 08:32:47
#23 Neil

Be a good comrade and go visit Mushi at his bedsit in Paisley. I think he's a little depressed after the thrashing his idiotic idealogoy got on this board.

Take him out for a Chinese and cheer him up.

30

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 18/08/2008 08:40:43
#25 John61

Is the use of capitals supposed to signify that you are shouting? You seem very angry, I thought you would be in a good mood with the airwaves filled with stories of small democracies being crushed by the Russian Imperialist Boot.

Boy, some of you raving lefty loonies are never satisfied.
31

Neil,

Glasgow 18/08/2008 12:53:07
#29 Kampung. If you have read anything I have written on here over several years tou must know that I am not a "comrade".

I note you cannot dispute the facts of a single word I said in post #23 & must thus resort to abuse.
32

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 18/08/2008 23:18:11
#31 Neil

The post an 23 was obviosly the creation of some demented fantasist, hence not worth responding to, you don't argue with people who are obviosly mentally ill.

But since you are so intent on having your fantasy balloon pricked. Here goes

"The Rusians do not appear to be appointing terrorists as "police"" No Neil, they simply dress up invading armies as peace keepers.

"nor committing massacres," no Neil that is the Job of their Ossetian Paramilitary allies.

"nor kidnapping schoolchildren," Are you refering to Chechen Seperatists and Trying to paint that as the Wests fault, you really are delusional.

"nor dissecting Georgians for their organs." Ask Comrade Mushi about that one, he thinks hes Chinese.

"Consequently we can say weith absolute certainty that there is not a single honest person who does not consider Putin vastly more honourable than any loyal memeber of any of the NATO governments which do these things."

Now you are just being silly.

 

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