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Published Date: 08 May 2008
IRAN'S president has alarmed the nation's conservative clerics with remarks suggesting he believes a mystical Shiite religious leader backs his government.
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who came to power in 2005 with the votes of Iran's religious poor, has in the past courted controversy for his public devotion to the return of the 12th Imam, a figure he regularly refers to in speeches.

According to Shiite
Muslim teaching, Abul-Qassem Mohammad, the 12th leader whom Shiites consider descended from the prophet Muhammad, disappeared in the year 941 but will return at the end of time to lead an era of Islamic justice.

While this is a core Shiite belief, some critics say that Mr Ahmadinejad has encouraged "superstitious" practices surrounding it.

"If the president means that the 12th Imam is supporting the government, we should say that it is wrong," Gholamreza Mesbahi-Moghaddam, a conservative cleric and member of parliament, was quoted as saying by the daily newspaper Etemad-e Melli yesterday.

"Surely the 12th Imam is not supporting the current 20 per cent inflation in Iran," he added, referring to Mr Ahmadinejad's failure to curb price rises.

He was responding to a speech Mr Ahmadinejad made a month ago at a Shiite shrine in Mashhad, in eastern Iran, and broadcast on state TV on Monday. The BBC monitored the address.

Ali Asgari, from Mashhad, another conservative cleric, said: "Ahmadinejad should think in a more worldly way. He should manage the country. People are not expecting (religious] advice from the president."

The president's speech began with an appeal for the 12th Imam's speedy return and was peppered with references to him. But he denied accusations that he has claimed a particular relationship with the Imam.

Mr Ahmadinejad, Iran's first non-clerical president in more than a quarter of a century, has had other run-ins with the religious establishment. Several top clerics scolded him last month for blaming Iran's economic problems on "mafias".

One analyst said some in the clerical establishment were wary of the president, who represents a new breed of devout politicians with fewer ties to the Islamic Republic's traditional clerical class, thus potentially undermining their authority.

Nevertheless, the Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, who has the final say in all state matters under Iran's system of clerical rule, has lavished praise on Mr Ahmadinejad.

In his Mashhad speech, the president told his audience Iran had made nuclear progress with the 12th Imam's help. "Iran has become nuclear before their eyes, despite their will… We behold the hands of Imam," said Mr Ahmadinejad, who denies western charges that Tehran wants to make atomic weapons.

He also suggested the United States might have sent troops to the region because of the Imam's imminent return. "Those who came and occupied Iraq, (on the] surface, they have come to take oil, loot the region, but when you go a layer down you realise their analyses. They are aware that something is about to happen in this region. A holy hand is about to come and uproot cruelty in the world," he said.



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  • Last Updated: 07 May 2008 10:21 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Iran
 
1

Let's have the truth,

Queensland 08/05/2008 10:56:19
"IRAN'S president has alarmed the nation's conservative clerics with remarks suggesting he believes a mystical Shiite religious leader backs his government".

....That's remarkably similar to George W. Bush suggesting he believes God told him to invade Iraq.

2

Kelvino,

NY 08/05/2008 11:22:49
Bush and Ahmadinejad have both claimed to receive "God" advice, from time to time, and both can be considered to be "hearing voices," or at least
attempting to defraud their countrymen. It's so easy to pull out the "God card" and immediately grab the
attention of the fearful masses who willingly follow.
What a pity that humans are so profoundly primitive, not very different from our hairy ancestors !
3

Stefan,

NYC 08/05/2008 14:30:32
#1, #2. Not far off, the return of the Imam and the return of Christ as a core belief. Not so different as leaders after all. One willing to destroy countries to protect Israel the other wanting to destroy Israel to protect countries. Glad I don't live near Israel.
4

Kelvino,

NY 08/05/2008 16:42:51
I hope that we in the USA are in the process of electing a leader unencumbered by religious fantasy
and cultural myopia. In other words, a thinking person who has "been around the block" a bit more and might have some actual perspective of our place in the world. Enough of these fanatics on all sides !
We must educate, not indoctrinate, ourselves and our children. Being caught in ignorance and consumerism is not my definition of a "free" society.
5

John Blackley,

Florida 08/05/2008 20:54:57
Oh goody! We have a leader in Iran who's peddling superstition about the return of an 'end-of-days' prophet and we have these 'return' nutjobs in the United States who think we have to destroy half the middle-east in order to prepare for the return of the world's first hippie.

I think I'll just stick my fingers in my ears and wait for the bang.
6

Siroos,

UK 08/05/2008 22:53:07
It is a shame that, you Yanks see this as a joke. The man is a FRAUD. The whole concept of SHIISM is based on fraud.
The Last Imam jumped into a water well while being chased by his enemies. He commited suicide. The Shiites have turned him into a Super Human, rather than telling the truth. In Islamic belief, anyone commiting suicide is doomed to go to Hell.
On the other hand the whole concept of Islamic Republic of Iran is based on fraud. These are a bunch of brain washed idiots who have taken a Nation hostage due to their own distorted beliefs. They are willing to sacrifice anyone who dares to stand up to them.
EVER heard of a CULT? Severe DICTATORSHIP in the name of God? If God is kind and forgiving, why are they not?
If a deadly Virus starts to spread we contain it. Right? Maybe you should ask Obama - the blind man - to show you the way.
7

57Nomad,

california 08/05/2008 23:37:12
#6 Siroos

Siroos, not only do we not take it as a joke, we are the only nation in the world, except for the Israelis, that are willing to confront the Iranians. We understand that these guys have shown their hand and we know what their intentions are. In the meanwhile, the whole of western Europe pins the trouble in the Muslim world on the US in general, the idiot Bush and the idiot American people specifically. Thanks for sharing your observations on the nature of the Iranian theocracy with us. You should be comforted by the knowledge that we had this guy pegged right from the beginning. You can bet that we are prepared to and will pull the trigger on this guy at a time and place of our choosing. I doubt if the Iranian nuclear facilities will survive the Bush presidency.
8

Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 09/05/2008 06:20:11
If not the Bush Presidency..it will be the McCain, or Clinton Presidency. If Obama becomes President we are in deep trouble. He has NO experience at any of this, and no foreign policy either.
9

Let's have the truth,

Queensland 09/05/2008 07:18:06
#8

"If Obama becomes President we are in deep trouble. He has NO experience at any of this, and no foreign policy either".

...You are already in deep trouble! Caused by the incompetence of your current incumbent.

Face it, ANYONE would be an improvement over the Bush/Cheney gang.


10

Biker,

Ayr 09/05/2008 09:41:28
57 Nomad. Good day my friend. I read with some incredulity of your thoughts on why the Muslim "problem" is being pinned on the US et all. I dont consider the US stupid and I dont think Western Europe does either. We do however consider Dubya and his cohorts to be misguided in their constant probing and attacking the middle east countries it "sees" as a problem.
The nuclear problem as it now being called is in my opinion just another excuse for Bush and his pals to cause more mayhem for oil. Nothing else. The nuclear facilities in other areas (North Korea ect) have caused no real worries, except in the minds of militerists and the right wing media.
Before courting more disaster, Bush needs to be cautious and actualy look at the reality of the situation. Getting involved in a holy war will help no-one.
11

Siroos,

UK 09/05/2008 10:46:10
#-7, 57Nomad,
You need not worry about the mouth-piece of the Mullahs regime. He has very limited resourses to pull on his own. This house of cards which they built is ready to fall. It will take minimal effort to bring it down. But in reallity, it will depend on the US's so called allies to let go of the Mullah, and let it replace by a truly democratic regime. I know this for sure that, in the end this heavy burden will also fall on the shoulders of the US. It looks like the US has a duty to clean up after the Europeans party. When it gets a little too tough, they close the camp.
I was talking to an important man the other day. He told me about a certain European Oil Giant selling Aviation fuel to both Iran and Iraq during the Iraq-Iran war. First they bought the crude very cheap, refined it and sold it back to them to kill each other a bit more. And the Germans who sold Mustard gas technology and ingredients to the Saddam regime. And the French who supplied S.E. Mirage jet fighters and the Exxocet missiles. And many more.
It is a dogy dogs world.
I strongly feel that, the Iranian people do need an Atomic deterrent, but NOT the current regime.
12

Siroos,

UK 09/05/2008 11:00:59
#- 10, Biker. I am sorry, but every time you post something, I have to find something wrong with it.
I am going to ask you nicely a very basic question.
Why would a financially bankrupt regime - like North Korea - would need to spend a fortune to build Atomic weapons. They are protected by the Chinese.
For Bush to get involved in a Holy War HAS brought freedom to many people in Iraq. Once the the Mullahs regime is stopped from interfering, Iraqi people will prosper. Mark my word as it WILL happen.
13

Biker,

Ayr 09/05/2008 12:08:08
Siroos. North Korea has access to both nuclear power and weapons irrespective of the supposed Chinese support.
The only Benefit (and I say that advisedly) is the removal of Saddam, and to be honest the only stability in the country. I hated Saddam as most did but removing him and attempting to enstate a government has proved deadly for too many people. Do you wish this for Iran?
The US (UK) needs to back away from this confrontational stance and attempt to take a more diplomatic approach.
14

Biker,

Ayr 09/05/2008 12:09:24
Siroos. As far as I can see , Iraq is far from stable and this is not the way for Iran to fall.
I wish them all the best.
15

Siroos,

UK 10/05/2008 00:34:46
#- 13, 14, Biker.
I know exactly what the problem is with you. I intend to be very frank with you. You do not understand the psyche of the Mullah and also that of the Iranian people. I know that, you have a couple of Iranian mates and by my comprehension of your past posts, they have managed to twist the facts for you. In return - in all sincerety -you have accepted their words as gospel and are not willing to hear anything else in the contrary.
Biker, we MUST always be prepared to find the truth for ourselves, rather than accept a second hand version. The Mullahs regime spends Billions on misinformation and deceit. All of us who live in the western world, no matter where we were born to begin with are subjects of distate and symbols of corruption in the eye of the Mullah. The likes of you and I maybe truly pius and good.On the other hand it is OK for them to do absolutely what they like and justify it as God's will. They are the patrons , are they NOT?
The situation in Iraq is NOT comparable with that of Iran. Take this from me as I AM Iranian. Basically, what "I" want is NOT relevant. We must always think more collectively and act accordingly for the good of everyone rather than a few. There is a Persian saying; If your tooth hurts, you have it taken out. Biker, my tooth really hurts and I do not care which Dentist removes it.
While living in the UK, I have done my bit as a Brit, but can not get over the sufferings of my other countrymen left behind and taken hostage by a brutal regime.
In my estimation removal of Saddam was a mistake. He was the tail of the snake. The head lies in Tehran.
Iranians are eagerly waiting for some encouragement for a massive uprising. They must form their own destiny.
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Let's have the truth,

Queensland 10/05/2008 04:23:48
Siroos,UK

I think you are are a bitter and twisted exiled Iranian. Similar to those exiled Iraqis who lied to the US before the invasion of Iraq.
17

Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 10/05/2008 05:11:30
LHTT..do you EVER listen to anyone? Do you EVER hear what people say to you? The bitter and the twisted lies in you. Here is someone telling you what is going on in HIS country of birth..not yours..
Is it so hard for you to understand, that Ahmadinejad and the Mullahs want to rule the world and make it Islamic?
Open your mind for a change. I swore to myself, I would never answer some of you here because you are vicious and closed minded...but look at what the man wrote. He knows better than you.
18

Let's have the truth,

Queensland 10/05/2008 09:51:17
#17 Lynne

..."Ahmadinejad and the Mullahs want to rule the world and make it Islamic?"

Lynne, Americans are known to be prone to hysterics and are a prime example.

You are evidently a victim of Bush/Cheney propaganda.


19

Let's have the truth,

Queensland 10/05/2008 10:03:27
#18

....YOU are a prime example......
20

Siroos,

UK 10/05/2008 10:15:03
#- 16, LHTT,
One- I am NOT an exile.
Two- If YOU can NOT be bothered to look for the truth, I suggest that, you remain silent - politely put.
21

Let's have the truth,

Queensland 10/05/2008 11:50:12
#17 Lynne

"LHTT..do you EVER listen to anyone?"

....Yes I do but not to the likes of you.

22

Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 10/05/2008 19:09:02
LHTT...DIG ANOTHER HOLE...put your head back into it.
23

Gary.,

Australia 11/05/2008 02:27:00
Hi Lynne

Hahahaha, "Let's have no truth" is - too old with droopy and baggy eyes to recognise the truth and be bothered to look for the truth! Siroos was right about this old bloke.
24

Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 11/05/2008 03:53:25
Gary.,Australia.. LHTT is an appeaser and apologist for the terrorists, and the islamofascists. Sirros is right about him..and he said it so politely!!!
25

Biker,

Ayr 11/05/2008 15:06:27
Siroos. Thank you for your points, well put and very concise.
I still take the stance that any interferrence by the US?UK in Iran would inflame the situation within the middle east to the point of all out war. Not this Pi@@ing about like we have in Iraq. I take your point about the Mullas'and the way they weild the power, and I sincerely hope your leader is strong enough to deal with them.
My friends have no axe to grind so I am confident that they tell me the truth, even the latest visitor who returned accepted that the Mullas are trying to exert authority but are generaly not heeded. I dare say this is not the same all over the country.
If your tooth hurts, do you go to a bad dentist or try to choose a good one. Could be the bad dentist is the one who caused the problem in the first place.

Thanks Biker.
26

Let's have the truth,

Queensland 12/05/2008 03:06:53
22, 23, 24

1. This is to ever-so politely inform you that one of the justifications put forward to the invasion of Iraq were the lies of Iraqi exiles.

2. Lynne, your assumption that my birthplace is somewhere in your mind is ample proof that your thought processes are suspect to say the least.

3. Your claim that I am an apologist for terrorists is your way of hitting back at your comments that are ridiculed by many of the posters here.

4. Your blind support of anything Israel does is typical of religious bigotry.

....Have a polite day.....
27

Siroos,

UK 12/05/2008 07:27:13
#- 25, Biker,
The main problem is that, there is no clear leader. The Mullahs regime has managed to put down any uprising so far. A lot of this goes unreported in the western media. Can you tell me why?
28

Siroos,

UK 12/05/2008 07:41:55
#- 26, LHHT,
I have said it before. The second Gulf War was a mistake. At least the way it was conducted. Remember how the Spanish pulled out? The Shiites in the South were allowed to create their own power base separate from the government. The borders with Iran and Syria were not sealed early enough. The flow of Arms and agitators continued. The vaccum was filled with Mullahs men who were intent to weaken the US resolve to create a Democracy in Iraq. A lot of mistakes were made. The US should have gone alone. It is very hard to teach Democratic values to the people who do not aspire freedom.
29

Gary.,

Australia 12/05/2008 13:51:17
#26 Let's have the truth

1. I have never made any comment on subject surrounding the invasion of Iraq. So don't start it, pouring out your grievance to me!

2. What's the big deal over matter concerning your birth place? Only know you as a British.

3. Your quote: ".....ridiculed by many of the posters here." Lol, how many, many posters? One a two a three a four..... or one hundred plus!!!!!! Add up that yourself.

4. Your blinkered support of anything anti-Israel is equally typical of religious bigotry.



 

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